Hyperion1001: Genre Defining Albums

Hyperion1001 06.04.14	if this is a successful thread i might make a followup compiling the results just cause
Graveyard 06.04.14	less is more sweet list man. i like your ambient choices.
PitchforkArms 06.04.14	cool list for sure
adr 06.04.14	yea DM, BM and Ambient choices are spot on. Prog Rock: Pink Floyd - Animals Yes - Close to the Edge King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King Thrash: Dark Angel - Darkness Descends Slayer - Reign in Blood Overkill - The Years of Decay
PitchforkArms 06.04.14	the problem is getting into genres that have transformed so much
MO 06.04.14	solid list
SaneTBP 06.04.14	Modal jazz: Kind of Blue Shoegaze: Loveless Souvlaki
Hyperion1001 06.04.14	"the problem is getting into genres that have transformed so much" yeah ambient was the hardest to pick just 3 for that very reason. composers like john cage, phillip glass, and steve reich were obviously extremely important to the genre but in the end i felt like where ambient is now (see: substrata) owes far more to the tangerine dream style that it does to any of those composers, even though they are still definitely important.
Hyperion1001 06.04.14	oh yeah i forgot hip-hop, i was actually gonna do that one. i would probably make mine. 1. NWA - Straight Outta Compton 2. Wu-Tang Clan - 36 Chambers 3. Madvillain - Madvillainy i feel like that sort of encompasses the major trends that have emerged in hip-hop over the years, even though biggie and 3 six are both awesome
PitchforkArms 06.04.14	for sure man and beloved genres like metalcore and post-hardcore have been made into completely new things. so if you were to do the genre defining albums for those, do you choose from the classics or....?
PappyMason 06.04.14	For IDM I would put in The Black Dog - Bytes.
Mort. 06.04.14	"and beloved genres like metalcore and post-hardcore have been made into completely new things. so if you were to do the genre defining albums for those, do you choose from the classics or....?" yeah thats a good point, but i guess for genres where there have multiple iterations or "waves" then you would choose whatever bands you think represents that wave the best for each wave?
Kman418 06.04.14	screamo is like saetia - a retrospective pg. 99 - document #8 orchid - chaos is me duhhh
Hyperion1001 06.04.14	for sure, bytes is easily one of my favorite albums, but it still lies frequently in the early 90's ambient techno sounds that were formative for IDM, but not really fully melded into what the genre would become later on. for that style i would probably rank it like this. 1. Aphex Twin - SAW 85-92 2. The Future Sound of London - Lifeforms 3. Black Dog Productions - Bytes
SpiritCrusher2 06.04.14	metalcore is Slaughter of the Soul jk
Hyperion1001 06.04.14	"but i guess for genres where there have multiple iterations or "waves" then you would choose whatever bands you think represents that wave the best for each wave?" thats exactly what i did for black metal. 1,2 and 3 are first, second, and third waves.
PitchforkArms 06.04.14	@Kman418 - there are so many screamo albums i love it would be tough. Im hard pressed to not include Envy or City of Caterpillar
Kman418 06.04.14	there's plenty of screamo albums than a retrospective and chaos is me but if we're talking about what defines the genre it's definitely those three list would be v different if it was just my favorite albums
PitchforkArms 06.04.14	So I think metalcore would look like Converge - Jane Doe Coalesce - Functioning on Impulse (Or Botch -We are the Romans) Killswitch Engage - Alive or Just Breathing (ughhh)
Kman418 06.04.14	i thought jane doe calculating infinity and we are the romans are like THE 3 metalcore albums
PunchforPunch 06.04.14	15 should be Tranny Hunger tho
PappyMason 06.04.14	@Hyperion1001 Yh, good point.
DikkoZinner 06.04.14	Good calls on the DM
evilford 06.04.14	cool idea good stuff yeah to add to it I'd do- prog rock - pink floyd - animals (even tho dark side is my fav album, animals "defines" the genre better yes - close to the edge rush - hemispheres sludge metal neurosis - through silver in blood eyehategod - take as needed for pain melvins - gluey porch treatments thrash metal megadeth - rust in peace anacrusis - manic impressions coroner - no more color
SharkTooth 06.04.14	Doom metal: Master of Reality Epicus Doomicus Metallicus Dopesmoker Honorable mention: Dopethrone
evilford 06.04.14	progressive metal - meshuggah - destroy erase improve psychotic waltz - a social grace queensryche - operation: mindcrime
Hyperion1001 06.04.14	good stuff for doom, although id replace epicus with nightfall
SharkTooth 06.04.14	They're both interchangeable imo,
NeroCorleone80 06.04.14	Epicus defines the genre better
WellFedWhiteMale 06.04.14	D-Beat Discharge - 'Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing' His Hero Is Gone - 'The Plot Sickens' Death Side - Satisfy The Instinct From Ashes Rise - Nightmares Post-Hardcore Fugazi - Repeater Quicksand - Slip At The Drive-In - Relationship of Command Hot Water Music - Fuel For The Hate Game
CK 06.04.14	Ambient needs more Steve Roach.
Hyperion1001 06.04.14	i love steve roach but that style is more or less covered with the TD album
Wadlez 06.04.14	Love the Boards IDM choice, not so fond of the other 2.
Gwyn. 06.04.14	"Dopesmoker Honorable mention: Dopesmoker" ???
Hyperion1001 06.04.14	but regardless if whether or not you like it, confield is the defining IDM album and still the pinnacle of the genre
SharkTooth 06.04.14	@Gwyn I confused Dopesmoker with Dopethrone, what with the similar genre and 'Dope' at the beginning of either name
Wadlez 06.04.14	well that is like totally your opinion bro :D. Seriously though love those albums, I would just have a different top 3.
Hyperion1001 06.04.14	im interested to see your 3, i thought you didnt like the other two and i kind of worded it in a snarky way, kind of hard to make things come off the way you want them too without vocal inflections sometimes haha
Wadlez 06.04.14	No worries, I also confused genre-defining with favorite. I'm not as sure as my 3 genre-defining, but favorite IDM would be Geogaddi SAW 85-92 Beefcake - Drei
DikkoZinner 06.04.14	Doom genre would have to include Born Too Late
Hyperion1001 06.04.14	cool list, SAW isnt really IDM in my eyes its even more ambient techno that some of the proto-IDM stuff that came out during the AI years. even at that those albums are more important to IDM than SAW was, as good of an album as it is i actually havent heard that beefcake album though ill have to check it out.
Yotimi 06.04.14	I think you need 4 albums for idm and ambient. The whole 90s idm sound has to be represented even if it did bloom from ambient techno. And for ambient these three don't cover the whole harsher glitchier side of ambient (hecker, fennesz, frost, cantu-ledesma, whitman, etc)
Wadlez 06.04.14	i actually havent heard that beefcake album though ill have to check it out. Good! I think you will enjoy it.
Inveigh 06.04.14	I might switch out Altars for Consuming Impulse, but the dm list is a good one. I'm not as well versed in the other genres you did. agreed with ford's three for sludge, for sure. i got one southern metal Down - NOLA Corrosion of Conformity - Deliverance Acid Path - Paegan Terrorism Tactics
Hyperion1001 06.04.14	@yotimi yeah, i agree for the most part. that was one of the main ideas of this list, can you accurately define a genre in just three albums? the result seems to be "some, yes, others, no" haha
joomisy 06.04.14	wow, huge list obviously
Trebor. 06.04.14	emo: cap'n jazz - Shmap'n Shmazz Mineral - The Power of Failing American Football - American Football screamo: Saetia - A Retrospective Envy - All the Footprints You've Ever Left Orchid - Chaos is Me hardcore punk: Black Flag - Damaged Minor Threat - Minor Threat Bad Brains - Bad Brains
CK 06.04.14	I feel like while All The Footprints is a slightly better album, A Dead Sinking Story is more genre-defining
PitchforkArms 06.04.14	^^ i like A Dead Sinking Story more ever so slightly
BertMacklinFBI 10.06.14	Shoegaze My Bloody Valentine-Loveless The Smashing Pumpkins-Siamese Dream The Jesus and Mary Chain-Psychocandy