Trebor17
10.07.12 | yes
/thread |
menawati
10.07.12 | this ^ |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Haha I think yes too. There are reasons why songs like "Friday" are almost universally hated, and that everyone who seems to like bands like BVB actually have little exposure to the musical world. |
menawati
10.07.12 | cannot judge good or bad in tastes for individual bands or albums but people who only listen to limited genres have no taste |
Nikkolae
10.07.12 | 3 rules /thread |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I really don't think people who know nothing (or little) about music should judge music at all. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | And don't end the thread D:
I feel like intelligently discussing this topic D: |
menawati
10.07.12 | maybe, but its tru that the more you have heard then the more refined your tastes are, not just in music in anything, like if u are a virgin you might settle for any ol slapper but if you got the sex life of a gerbil you might be more picky |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Well, because it's indisputably a good thing to have a refined taste and "knowledge", that gerbil is
one smart fucker. |
menawati
10.07.12 | "I feel like intelligently discussing this topic D:"
on sputnik ?! you can hope dude |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I know, I know. But there are smart people on here.
Try doing this on youtube, and they won't even be able to read your damn argument. |
ilovetree
10.07.12 | My taste is good, everyone else's is bad. Easy. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | ^
lol please logically justify that |
KILL
10.07.12 | i rule yea |
menawati
10.07.12 | hes got 2 linkin park albums at 1.5 so he has some credibility |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | lol.
Well in any case, I think you can judge superiority based on, but not limited to, these factors:
Structural complexity, musical technicality, lyrical depth, progression of ideas, etc |
menawati
10.07.12 | technicality - so someone who is a musician themselves is better placed to rate music ? |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Not necessarily. You just need to know enough to appreciate it. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | So basically you just need a good musical ear. You can get that from studying music and listening to a lot of music, but you don't necessarily need to play an instrument.
Of course, it's better to, because you'd appreciate it more and it'd be easier. |
menawati
10.07.12 | but being a musician can spoil your appreciation of some music |
Steoandnoodles
10.07.12 | I wouldn't say anyone on Sputnik has 'bad taste' at all. Or at least; I feel everyone here has
thought about their music tastes and retains an open mind to new things.
If I was to say someone had 'bad taste', I'd say it's a reflection on their refusal to be open
minded (or at least not understanding of their preference) or someone who is biased towards their
own preference to the point where they think it's flawless and other music shouldn't exist.
In other words; I like to think that taste (in every entertainment form) is a reflection on the
person's understanding of was THEY like in music (entertainment) and what matters to them and
someone who refuses to explore other styles not because they're content but because they genuinely
believe their music is the best there is; I can't get behind that either.
The music itself is of course subjective. The way I see it; entertainment is an infinite wall built
with tiny lego pieces. It can be anything and it can appeal to anyone for an almost infinite number
of reasons. I think it's hard to picture a tier of taste in this respect (and that some people's
taste is better than others) because respectfully; you can't be wrong in liking something and the
quality of the entertainment is only defined objectively by the person, not by everyone and that is
only a reflection on his/her preference.
That's what I think anyway. =/ |
Funeralopolis
10.07.12 | treb ended the thread it's over guys. |
Cygnatti
10.07.12 | not one of these thread's again.
thank you trebor. /thread |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | The way I see it, most of us live in advanced societies. These societies universally must value things like complexity, sophistication, etc. If they didn't, they would not have been capable of progressing to such a developmental stage.
Based on the values of advanced society, I think we can judge music as "advanced" (good) or "primitive" (bad). |
Trebor17
10.07.12 | Technicality has nothing to do with it
Ramones played 3 fuckin chords and they're considered good music |
Steoandnoodles
10.07.12 | Well yeah, we can judge the complexity of a song. How difficult it is to perform, how talented the singer is at hitting notes ect. or how talented the guitarist is but none of these things sum up sound but if we all followed that as our credentials for listening to music; everyone would listen to the same music for the same reasons and that's weird.
But when we take a song and listen to it; all of us instantly form a reason for liking it and disliking it and they are all expressions of our personal preference. We listen in a different way, like for different reasons and eventually a line of thought becomes a scribbled mess. None of these opinions are wrong and none are weaker than others. They're just preference.
|
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I don't think we should judge it based on one single factor, obviously. It should be all factors combined. Failure to meet a certain number of requirements would deem a song "bad". And I'm still trying to find new factors. |
menawati
10.07.12 | ye but you can love the Ramones and still love more complicated stuff just like a quick shag with a rough chick can be just as satisfying as tantric sex with stings wife |
Steoandnoodles
10.07.12 | Sure, someone could have put more thought into their reasons than others but at the end of the day; the point is that the listener is supposed to be entertained and they can't be wrong or have a lacklustre opinion just because that is different to someone else who has thought about it.
Though I will say; the person who puts more thought into why they like what they listen to and is equal parts critical and open minded; will probably end up liking larger quantities of music. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | But come on. Are you really giving room to the opinion that Justin Bieber might considered better than what you listen to by someone? |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | "but being a musician can spoil your appreciation of some music"
this is so true, as a music theory student yes i agree haha |
Trebor17
10.07.12 | Great musical taste is all about diversity
Breakingthefragile listens to all that justin bieber shit, but he has better taste than all of you because he has 6000 ratings and listens to fuckin everything |
menawati
10.07.12 | or he just rates a lot on here where a lot of people cba to apply their whole library to sput |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | @ trebor - diversity has nothing to do with it |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I think that's the next step, and there's a progression of musical taste.
Musical evolution of someone's music taste could generally be like this:
First, listens to somewhat shallow but pleasing music.
Second, listens to more complex and sophisticated music.
Lastly, listens to everything due to musical enlightenment. |
Steoandnoodles
10.07.12 | Think about it though. If we don't rate music on its objective qualities (the complexity, vocal deliverance ect.) everything we have left is purely just how it 'sounds', right? And that's all a matter of opinion.
But in my opinion, a music fan will have shaped up a solid understanding of what they like and will be eager to hear more.
I just can't see how someone's opinion can be better than another persons other than being purely based on understanding why they like what they like and retaining an open minded approach to everything. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | lol no |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I feel like someone with decently high understanding wouldn't want to listen to music that people perceive as "bad". But then if you become musically intelligent enough, you'll eventually embrace everything. |
Steoandnoodles
10.07.12 | So, in your opinion; the sounds you prefer can be inherently better than someone elses preference?
|
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | "I think that's the next step, and there's a progression of musical taste.
Musical evolution of someone's music taste could generally be like this:
First, listens to somewhat shallow but pleasing music.
Second, listens to more complex and sophisticated music.
Lastly, listens to everything due to musical enlightenment."
this only applies to those who are musically inclined. Such as most users on Sputnik, but not to the general population |
bloc
10.07.12 | I think musical superiority is bullshit |
Steoandnoodles
10.07.12 | I agree with bloc. =) |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | I also agree with Bloc |
christianman
10.07.12 | only inferior musix ppl would hahahaha |
Trebor17
10.07.12 | Of course you need diversity, if you listen to nothing but metalcore and post-hardcore and nothing from before the 90's than you have shit taste
|
menawati
10.07.12 | so u are saying that someone who has only heard 'Eagles Greatest Hits' in their life has an opinion that is just as relevant as some multi-instrumentalist dude who is 67 and has listened to numerous genres |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | idk. This is all in theory and I'm still trying to flesh out what other factors there are.
I'm valuing things like complexity because they are necessary and valued by advanced society. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | "Of course you need diversity, if you listen to nothing but metalcore and post-hardcore and nothing from before the 90's than you have shit taste"
Yeah, I know, which is why people should only form musical opinions if they're musically inclined. |
true
10.07.12 | hey trebor go easy on chuck hes only 13 |
Trebor17
10.07.12 | It's also about emotion and passion not fucking technicality
I don't think it's a stretch to say Bob Dylan is objectively better than btbam even though Dylan's music is simple as fuck, but his music is passionate and evokes a lot of emotions which is what music is all about |
menawati
10.07.12 | true |
Trebor17
10.07.12 | You don't have to be musically inclined, you don't have to play an instrument to appreciate music that's dumb
Musician pretentiousness all up in here |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | See trebor make stab at my musical taste
See trebor think he is better because he listens to music before the 90's.
See trebor being a dick who thinks his taste is actually better than someone elses.
Little does trebor know I do listen to music from before the 90's,
Little does trebor know I don't only listen to metalcore(I mean I hardly listen to post-hardcore anymore dude)
see trebor be faux elitist and make a fool of himself |
Steoandnoodles
10.07.12 | Right but if we all valued complexity in music as the defining factor of 'taste' wouldn't we all listen to the most complex band in order to have the best taste in music?
If I said I liked my boiled eggs runny and someone else said they liked theirs hard. There is no right or wrong. The word 'taste' is very much married with subjectivity in my opinion. =) |
queefman
10.07.12 | you only ever listened to faux post hardcore anyway CHUCK |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | "hey trebor go easy on chuck hes only 13"
lol says 14 year old sonic |
menawati
10.07.12 | being a musician can destroy some of the mystique tho without any pretentiousness involved |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I think he was jabbing at me there. I used to listen to all classic rock lol.
And like I said, there are so many possible factors, and I only mentioned a few. Passion is probably one of them, yes. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | Taste is all a matter of opinion, anyway.
/thread
dumb list
don't make anymore lists |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | lol this is a pretty interesting discussion. And what's wrong with the list itself? |
Trebor17
10.07.12 | I'm not referring to you specifically Chuck chill out
"Taste is all a matter of opinion, anyway. /thread dumb list don't make anymore lists"
Saying this right after you were critiquing taste |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I'm just trying to jog some intellectual discussion. I just wanted to read other educated perspectives. Chill out. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | It's a stupid topic. People who think they listen to better music than others, and therefore think they have 'better' taste always say there is musical superiority. People who think all musical taste and likes/dislikes are all a matter of opinion say there isn't musical superiority.
And on Sputnik where everyone is a asshole and has their own opinion, it just makes matters worse. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I don't think so. So far all the people in this thread have been relatively civil and intelligent. |
menawati
10.07.12 | If it was all a matter of opinion then u could say that a kid who has only ever heard britney has as much taste as someone like steven wislon (even tho he is a prick) |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | And this is an open discussion, I'm not trying to force this on anyone. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | Lol. I was not critiquing anyone's taste. And its cool dude, just making a point. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | Trust me, sputnik is not the place to have this discussion. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Okay. BVB vs. The Fall of Troy.
Are you saying that there isn't even a "vs"? |
willierules
10.07.12 | chuck calls himself a post hardcore fan
hasnt heard husker du |
Calc
10.07.12 | this person obviously hasn't been on this site long. if at all. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I have not been on this site for long, correct.
Okay. Here come the assholes? |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | chuck isnt a post-hardcore fan |
KILL
10.07.12 | hv u evn herd abhor |
Trebor17
10.07.12 | "Okay. BVB vs. The Fall of Troy."
lol both suck, not a very good comparison
|
azninva5in
10.07.12 | What do you have against TFOT? lol |
H61
10.07.12 | As much as some of us like to think otherwise, there's an element of objective quality in every art form. Your Aunt Minnie's drawings are not on a par with Da Vinci's, no matter how much you may prefer them. How much one likes a piece of art is subjective, but passing off all music as completely subjective is just an easy way out for people to avoid criticism and analysis |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | ^Thank you.
That's what the basic premise of my thinking is, but I can't fully back it up yet. |
menawati
10.07.12 | i agree H61 but there are times when you just cant help liking something that you know is utter shite so it sorta conflicts with that |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Well at least you know it's utter shite lol. Just don't champion it as the best and admit that it sucks. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | No, its still all a matter of opinion. You can go to my profile page and critique my taste all you want. Someone can still perceive your little brothers drawings as better than some famous paintings, therefore making you view them as better. Its all in the eyes of the beholder. |
menawati
10.07.12 | ok chucky is Beethovens 9th symphony better than a 4 year old kid singing a nursery ryhme ? |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | To me, yes. To someone else, possibly not. |
menawati
10.07.12 | this is as bad as arguing about religion i give up |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | Exactly. Fucking stupid discussion. |
H61
10.07.12 | It only becomes stupid when people like you abuse concepts you don't understand |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | lol. H61 is heating things up. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Chucky, do you really think that Beethoven's 9th symphony is inferior to the nursery rhyme? |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | ^ did you read my post you idiot?
@ H61 - lol dude you don't even get it |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Yes, I did. I was being condescending.
Can you not start insulting people? That's not why I started up this post. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | Lol. As if being condescending isn't insulting.
For the record, idgaf what you made this list for, its a dumb discussion because it will never be agreed on. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | That's not the point. lol. I'm not trying to get people to agree with anything. I'm just trying to start an open ended discussion. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | Like I said, sputniks not the place to have it. Regardless, the real motive behind musical superiority is just to think you are better than someone else. Which is infantile and shallow. No one is better than anyone else. |
discharge0
10.07.12 | =
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ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | Lol, no I do not, actually. But try again. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | You can't just throw superiority out the window. There are many indicators for it. It's just really hard to justify because there are many abstract things that factor into it.
Thinking that your music is better than everyone else's and refusing to reach across new genres while at the same time not having proper musical exposure is infantile and shallow. |
StarlessAnd
10.07.12 | ugh not this list again |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Yeah, sorry if this is a redundant list...I have never had this discussion before. |
discharge0
10.07.12 | Haha |
StarlessAnd
10.07.12 | not my problem retard |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Right, then shut the fuck up and leave. The appearance of this thread didn't force you to look at it. |
DarthMann
10.07.12 | lol yes |
StarlessAnd
10.07.12 | i am the reason this list exists |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | haha, idk you are kill or sonic but shut the fuck up |
DropdeadWHA
10.07.12 | I believe there is a false idea of musical superiority, people seem to forget opinions differ and they're not objective. Yes, there are artists in the music industry that are critically/generally panned but if someone likes them; it doesn't automatically make your taste superior. These so called factors also don't really add up, because sometimes simplicity is better than blinding technicality, I know that's just singling out a factor but you get my drift. People will always, always feel that the music they like/listen to is better than someone else if they don't enjoy it or perhaps due to outside influences. Like Trebor said music is all about emotion and how it makes someone feel. There shouldn't be any superiority, yeah people are gonna critique bands, talk shit; most of us have done it but any idea of superiority within multimedia is generally false. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | I'm watchin' a baseball game man and your distracting me with this nonsensical bullshit?! |
menawati
10.07.12 | thats riff obviously, i can tell by the no nonsense approach lol |
americanohno
10.07.12 | Fuckin' Grant Balfour, man!
The guy must got balls for brains. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | See, that's the thing. You can't isolate factors because that destroys it. You have to look at all the factors at once. The problem right now is that we don't know all the factors; a lot of it is really abstract.
But really, throwing superiority out the window is kind of jumping to conclusions. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | And yes I can throw it out the window. Just because someone isn't extremely musically inclined like most people on sputnik doesn't mean that their opinion is any less valid. Just because someone was brought up on country music and they know country better than other genre of music and they don't look into much else doesn't mean their taste is inferior to someone who listens to everything from Miles Davis to Madvillain to Gorguts. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | I agree with WHA. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | ...yes it does. Once again, if you do not know much about music, your opinions are entirely invalidated. |
Cygnatti
10.07.12 | dumb list is extremely dumb
why azniva? why would you even? |
Cygnatti
10.07.12 | "...yes it does. Once again, if you do not know much about music, your opinions are entirely invalidated. "
wrong. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | oh fuck you chucky truant I don't give a good goddamn if you listen to Miles Davis or fucking Chuck Mangione.
I'm tryin' to talk baseball here brother |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | "...yes it does. Once again, if you do not know much about music, your opinions are entirely invalidated."
And this is why you are extremely dumb. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | lol ohno, that was just an example. Go back to your baseball. Go Sox |
americanohno
10.07.12 | Yo Cespedes id badass motherfucker,
rest of the A's are a bunch of fuck ups.
|
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I don't see how. If you are saying that somebody who only listens to one genre will have a more valid opinion on non-pop music than someone who listens to everything, then I really can't agree with that. |
DarthMann
10.07.12 | u guys r looking at it too complexitylilly basically if someone likes gay music then u are superior to them its not that hard |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | ^That's probably cynical, but I lol'd anyway |
Cygnatti
10.07.12 | you're conceptualizing this wrong |
americanohno
10.07.12 | Well Tommy Milone pitched a pretty good ballgame,
and Reddick may look like some kinda guy who'd try to give you a toothless blowjob to pay for his meth addiction but he's a good ballplayer too.
Rest of 'em can fuck off.
They're breakin' my heart and I don't even like the A's |
DropdeadWHA
10.07.12 | You don't need some sort of equation or a long winded theory that proves or disproves that musical superiority exists. It's purely based on opinion, people will think it exists, some will not. People will believe that x, y & z will contribute towards it and some will think the complete opposite. You can't really get to the bottom of it without just going through tedious amounts of discussion when you can come to a simple conclusion, musical superiority exists in some form, but whether it is correct or incorrect/false or true idea that it does is the real issue. The WHY is more important than the IF, (in this case). |
Cygnatti
10.07.12 | dumb list is dumb [2] |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | "I don't see how. If you are saying that somebody who only listens to one genre will have a more valid opinion on non-pop music than someone who listens to everything, then I really can't agree with that."
I'm not saying anyone has a more valid opinion than anyone else. But, I am saying that everyone has a equally valid opinion. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | azninva, shut the fuck up brother.
You listen to Fall of Troy,
they're a piece of shit band. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I can sort of see where you're going with this.
And maybe I am conceptualizing this wrong. I never said that I was absolutely right and fuck all of you who says otherwise. |
Cygnatti
10.07.12 | not quite |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | How is TFOT a shit band? Justify it. |
Cygnatti
10.07.12 | "I can sort of see where you're going with this.
And maybe I am conceptualizing this wrong. I never said that I was absolutely right and fuck all of you who says otherwise."
so basically... this thread was useless to make. okay thx bro. |
DropdeadWHA
10.07.12 | azninva5in, you seem to be taking this personally now. You opened up the can of worms, gotta deal with it pal. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | This is discussion for the sake of discussion. And naw I'm not taking this personally, I'm having an interesting intellectual discussion. |
Lenix
10.07.12 | "You listen to Fall of Troy, they're a piece of shit band."
agreed, just like gaslight anthem |
DarthMann
10.07.12 | x/y^2 - 5(3+z) = your taste on a scale of 1-5 |
DropdeadWHA
10.07.12 | azninva5in- Hm, if you say so! |
menawati
10.07.12 | where y=0 |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | No. A lot of factors are abstract and intangible. |
Lenix
10.07.12 | "And naw I'm not taking this personally, I'm having an interesting intellectual discussion." lol |
discharge0
10.07.12 | ==
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wacknizzle
10.07.12 | Most people who think they have the best taste are pretty lame and are not fun people to talk to. Not every band you listen to are cool, they're just cool to you and that's as far as the truth goes, if you need acceptance by everyone for what you like then you suck. There's a difference between showing someone a band because you think they'll like it and wanting someone to like something so they'll suck up to you and be your little bitch, but those sheep ass bitches can go suck a fuck. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I mean, come on. Find me one intelligent and musically-educated being who will find Rebecca Black's "Friday" more appealing to something like Beethoven.
|
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | @ discharge sure they can. They can have an opinion and it will be just as valid as the next. But that doesn't mean that ones opinion will be more justified, and thought out as another. |
Lenix
10.07.12 | "I mean, come on. Find me one intelligent and musically-educated being who will find Rebecca Black's "Friday" more appealing to something like Beethoven."
hahaha |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | fuck yea lets go wack |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Cmon. Do it. Find me one.
You won't find one. And I'm trying to root out the reason for that. |
discharge0
10.07.12 | =
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wacknizzle
10.07.12 | anyone who doesn't realize that the only contribution Rebbecca Black had to Friday other than singing the music is fucking retard. that little 15 year old didn't do shit to write that music other than follow this formulaic pop non-sense that some producer wrote for her. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | I'm 17. and riff, you might as well be 9 |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | No shit. I'm talking about the song though. |
wacknizzle
10.07.12 | i can't appreciate music that people don't even write themselves. |
menawati
10.07.12 | FFS its so obvious that some people have a more informed opinion about things than you do, whether its music, films, architecture or womens tits. People who cant accept that are deluded. People who accept that but dont give a shit anyway are enlightened. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Ok, I would file that under "passion". |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | "People who accept that but dont give a shit anyway are enlightened."
That would be the people who literally listen to everything. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | Fuck you wacknizzle so all the great country songs and motown songs of the 60s get a big ole "fuck off" from some dumbass on the internet. They'll miss you brother. |
menawati
10.07.12 | I meant they dont give a shit that some people are more informed than they and that some are less informed they are but just happy to be how they are. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Just a disclaimer: I label uninformed opinions as "invalid". |
americanohno
10.07.12 | hay lenix you goddamned asshole you can't turn my gambit back around on me. gaslight anthem are a good band and you know it! |
discharge0
10.07.12 | "I meant they dont give a shit that some people are more informed than they and that some are less informed they are but just happy to be how they are."
b-b-b-but subjectivity we're all equal rite????? |
menawati
10.07.12 | lol people arent equal, there are cunts, real cunts and total cunts |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | We definitely are not all equal. |
wacknizzle
10.07.12 | @americanohno: But most of those people contributed to writing the music so go fuck yourself. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | Let's talk about baseball again.
So I has the Washington Nationals v. the Oakland Athletics in the World Series
The A's are really fuckin' me up but they still got a chance if they can sweep a three game set at home. Hey they did it just last week to the Rangers. but yeah if they don't make it I like the Tigers to beat the winner of the Orioles/Yankees series. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | eh probably you're statement is still literally drowns in "I listen to punk and only care about authenticity" bullshit, so you can go fuck yourself cuz I ain't fuckin' myself I ain't got the fuckin' stamina for that shit. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | "but *your* statement..." |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Authenticity is important, I think. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | oh fuck you azinva |
wacknizzle
10.07.12 | "eh probably you're statement is still literally drowns in "I listen to punk and only care about authenticity" bullshit, so you can go fuck yourself cuz I ain't fuckin' myself I ain't got the fuckin' stamina for that shit."
Dude go fuck yourself, I listen to whatever music I enjoy which could be any particular artist from any genre. And also your statement was fucking stupid. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | Shit I don't know what I'm doing anymore guys I'm goin' for a walk. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Well. Today I have tried to do what no one else has ever done before: have an intelligent discussion on Sputnikmusic. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | How am I the stupid one?
You're the one who made the extremely revelatory observation that "Friday" by Rebecca Black was maybe a less than stellar song. And then from there you just completely make an ass of yourself. So... I mean whatever man. |
wacknizzle
10.07.12 | just give up on arguing. mo-town and country musicians of that era either wrote or had plenty of contribution to writing the music. some people can only sing and only have themselves and their producers but most of the time i'm not into their music anyway. MJ the king of pop wrote his own music. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | You have been 100% successful in that endeavor Mr. Azninva,
Congratulations. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Eh. I personally think that this is like around 80%. |
wacknizzle
10.07.12 | okay that argument was a waste of 10 minutes of my life peace. |
Calc
10.07.12 | discussion = pissing contest. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | "Well. Today I have tried to do what no one else has ever done before: have an intelligent discussion on Sputnikmusic."'
lol don't pride yourself, you're not the first |
americanohno
10.07.12 | You're not saying anything of note wacknizzle.
Congratulations you don't like 'souless' mainstream music you're a shining star in the black sea of humanity.
And yeah Marvin Gaye didn't write "Heard it Through the Grapvine" but yeah he had a lot of input on the song's creation and it's why his version of the song is the best but he didn't write the song AND THAT'S WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY SAID MOTHERFUCKER I'm sorry I misinterpreted what you said I first. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | "lol don't pride yourself, you're not the first"
Then you'd think that there would be more smart people around. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | *at* first.
ah shit I was just trying to watch baseballs damn the rabbithole that is sputnikmusic! |
DropdeadWHA
10.07.12 | azninva5in, throughout this whole discussion you've come across as a twat, who if anything acts like YOU'RE superior to other users. Get off your high horse. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | ^ this so hard |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | I don't think I'm superior to others on this website, necessarily, because in my eyes this is a pretty reputable musical site.
But there are shit holes you would never believe on this internet.
Can you please not? I haven't really personally attacked anybody. That wasn't my intention. I was honestly trying to have an interesting discussion about music, and to that means I have succeeded. |
wacknizzle
10.07.12 | your doing so much justice omfg right just because i don't like people who don't do anything towards writing the music yes that's EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING. |
DropdeadWHA
10.07.12 | You've succeeded to a degree but I stand by what I said. You don't have to personally attack anyone to be a tool. End of. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Yeah, okay. I don't get why you guys get so hostile sometimes. Can you people not accept that some people like intellectual discussion? |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | azninava how old are you dude |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Why is age relevant? I'm not trolling and I don't mean to insult anybody. Jeez. |
discharge0
10.07.12 | chucky you've been by far the dumbest person in this thread don't try to turn it around on someone else |
DropdeadWHA
10.07.12 | I can accept that people like intellectual discussion, I myself enjoy intellectual discussion but when it's started by someone pretentious like yourself it doesn't go so well. This list is a prime example of 'intellectual discussion' gone bad. Drop the hostility schmuck, doesn't win you any sympathy votes on the internet. |
discharge0
10.07.12 | also LOL
At first this album saddened me because everyone thought it was so awesome, but I didn't like it. Through my first few listens it sounded very depressing, and that it didn't catch me at all. A month or two later again I listened, I decided the 2nd half was good but the 1st half was hard to get through. No I'm sitting here typing this after listening 3 straight times. Its pure awesome. I love this now. Everything from Spencer's vocals/lyrics to Chris' sweet ambient keyboard stuff. And then Grants tight bass work, with Tim and James churning out awesome riffs like always. Then also Daniels drumming is great. Hes a very good drummer. This whole record has grown on my soo much. Doesn't quite live up to Define the Great Line but is still an incredible album.
Underoath Define the Great Line
I picked up this album on impulse a couple months to go, before i had not had anything by Underoath and wasn't particularly familiar with them. However this album is totally awesome. It has the great Christian lyrics they have always had, brought to you by Spencer Chamberlain, and DtGL is probably his best performance. The album begins with In Regards To Myself, one of the best songs on the record. It has some killer riffage and great overall energy. I haven't seen them live but I'd guess they would open with this a lot. The album continues and Timothy McTague and James Smith keep putting out sweet riffs that are much discernible from others. Then there is the electronic/ambient interlude, called Salminir, which is awesome and provides a nice sepertion amongst the record. You will eventually find yourself at the monster of Everyone Looks So Good From Here, this is the heaviest song on the album, as has one of the best breakdowns I've ever heard and no clean vox. This is my favorite Underoath song. This song ends right with the beginning of To Whom It May Concern - which is an overall excellent song and |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | I was just wondering to be honest.
lol @ riff
so ironic |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Apparently not. How am I being pretentious at all?
From the start I've said that I mean for this to be an open discussion, and that I'm not pushing my ideas onto anybody. I've admitted that my ideas have flaws and that I'm open to new ideas. That doesn't sounds like pretense to me. |
ChuckyTruant
10.07.12 | dude I know my writing is splendid no reason to copy and paste it everywhere |
americanohno
10.07.12 | @ wacknizzle
yes I misinterpreted what you meant but still you acted like you were bringing fire to man when you told us "fuck rebecca black she don't write her songs or play any music she just sings" |
ilovetree
10.07.12 | "^
lol please logically justify that"
"good" and "bad" are subjective.
qed |
Ethics
10.07.12 | ...fuk |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | Sift through the comments for the justification. |
wacknizzle
10.07.12 | i just don't understand why it was even worth your time to call me out, you should have been smart enough to understand what i was really saying and it's not like it should have been such a big deal for me not to care about modern pop singers(certainly not all don't get that shit confused) who don't really do anything to contribute to writing the song other than just singing it. |
Ethics
10.07.12 | lmfao |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | A lot of people seem to be calling other people out based on misunderstandings.
Once again, I am sorry for offending anyone, I know this is a racy topic. |
ilovetree
10.07.12 | #yolo |
wacknizzle
10.07.12 | yeah it's annoying and the reason i ignore these kind of threads so i don't half to deal with someones stupids misunderstandings just because they had nothing to do with their ego atm. |
Lakes
10.07.12 | music is racy, agreed |
ChopSuey
10.07.12 | "Most people who think they have the best taste are pretty lame and are not fun people to talk to. Not every band you listen to are cool, they're just cool to you and that's as far as the truth goes, if you need acceptance by everyone for what you like then you suck. There's a difference between showing someone a band because you think they'll like it and wanting someone to like something so they'll suck up to you and be your little bitch, but those sheep ass bitches can go suck a fuck." - wacknizzle
words of wisdom right here
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americanohno
10.07.12 | Sorry wacknizzle maybe it was just my sexual attraction to the young Ms. Black that clouded my judgement.
You know she's just 15 and she's growing in her sound, and damnit she's trying her best to make a danceable pop tune, ain't no shame in that friends. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | There's a lot of shame in that. jk
Or maybe not. This thread caused me to not know anymore. |
americanohno
10.07.12 | Life's a learning process azninva |
bach
10.07.12 | The world is unjust. In fiction. good overcomes evil (In this case, good music over bad music). But, in reality,it's vice versa. |
Lakes
10.07.12 | yep |
ilovetree
10.07.12 | Fortunately the based god has come upon us to save us from bad music. |
azninva5in
10.07.12 | So many feels |
JokineAugustus
10.07.12 | Trivium is still > all other bands |
SlMBOLlC
10.07.12 | fuckn listen to whatever who gives a shit
Only time i get shityy is when people talk shit about things they dont know
Like calling asking alexandria and bvb metal |
Calc
10.07.12 | what are they? |
climactic
10.07.12 | music is an art not a science so no, taste cannot be good or bad. anyone who says otherwise has no idea what subjectivity is |
RutseyLives
10.07.12 | fuk u, music IS a science |
Spag
10.07.12 | -___________- |
RutseyLives
10.07.12 | its an objective fact, all rush with neil peart suckz |
Calc
10.07.12 | music is a science in the way shitty artsy people use the word science. |
someguest
10.07.12 | all rush sucks period
should've been an instrumental band for two albums then quit |
RutseyLives
10.07.12 | neckin hard |
someguest
10.07.12 | surprised geddy lee can even sing anymore with all the chodes he's had in his mouth |
RutseyLives
10.07.12 | haha yea, pearts chode |
someguest
10.07.12 | you wouldn't think something so small could do so much damage |
RutseyLives
10.07.12 | dam dude, its crazy |
someguest
10.07.12 | rumor is geddy can't grow a beard anymore either, the rubbing of balls on his chin has permanently stopped all hair growth there |
MetallicOpeth
10.07.12 | terrible thread
just terrible |
theacademy
10.07.12 | juggalos |
azninva5in
10.08.12 | End of thread is terrible. Beginning-mid was OKAY. |
Dolving999
10.08.12 | Based on your picks, your musical taste is good. |
azninva5in
10.09.12 | Thankee sir. I agree to an extent XD |
North0House2
10.09.12 | Well, there is bad music taste- like enjoying Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber. |
azninva5in
10.09.12 | I'd say it depends. Like I know that I sometimes listen to bad music. I have all this technical and diverse shit, and then I have fucking Breathe Carolina on my ipod. lol
What I mean to say is, enjoying bad music while not knowing it's bad =bad taste.
While enjoying bad music while knowing it's bad and saying "fuck it" and also listening to predominately better music would be "good taste". |
North0House2
10.09.12 | yeah, I suppose so.
But honestly, I purged my library a long time ago. I only have weird crap on there now. Personally, I think if a person just listens to what the radio feeds them and literally never looks for songs on their own- knowing half of the lyrics to a chart-topper and mumbling the rest, they have bad taste.
But otherwise, I don't care. |
azninva5in
10.09.12 | Yeah, it's definitely pretty despicable to just take in what you're fed by the mainstream and never attempt to branch out.
Like, I used to listen to classic rock (which I consider a pretty general mainstream genre), but if I didn't branch out into any other genres, then I'd be stupid.
Thankfully, I have done this branching out, and kind of evolved out of classic rock. |
demigod93
03.06.13 | 5 is 1 |
azninva5in
03.06.13 | Oh no this list isn't supposed to be a ranking
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azninva5in
03.06.13 | holy shit this thread is old and controversial |
