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Old 10-11-2013, 02:02 PM   #61
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i literally do not know what you're talking about nadine
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:02 PM   #62
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no and stop using the phrase 'by your logic'
Yes this is exactly what you are saying

You're saying that dressing provocatively (etc) puts you at a higher risk of rape

So therefore more conservative dressing countries should have a lower incidence of rape

As should countries where there is higher segregation between men and women
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:03 PM   #63
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though im inclined to believe dressing less provocatively does actually reduce your chances of being raped
Maybe, but if woman A dresses provocatively and woman B doesn't, but both women are careful in other ways (don't get too drunk, don't walk home alone at night, etc.), they're both just as likely to get raped.

It might be true, though, that most women that aren't careful dress provocatively.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:04 PM   #64
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therefore, being less drunk implies you are less at risk.

all other things being equal.
in a simplistic model, sure
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:04 PM   #65
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i literally do not know what you're talking about nadine
Do you not understand English

I'm asking if you think being drunk makes someone more likely to try and rape you
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confounding effects

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I'm asking if you think being drunk makes someone more likely to try and rape you
probably.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:05 PM   #67
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Yes this is exactly what you are saying

You're saying that dressing provocatively (etc) puts you at a higher risk of rape

So therefore more conservative dressing countries should have a lower incidence of rape

As should countries where there is higher segregation between men and women
think im gonna stick to smokey d now, if he has anything to say

because, based only on his last post, he appears to understand ceteris paribus
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:07 PM   #68
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are you throwing confounding effects at me smokey d

if yes, expand

if no, ok
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:07 PM   #69
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at nads.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:07 PM   #70
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I'm asking if you think being drunk makes someone more likely to try and rape you
yes

we subconsciously (or not) determine the risk of every choice we make

the risk of getting caught raping a drunk person is less than a sober person

also - it is easier in general to rape a drunk person
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Bonified rapists just straight up drug you for a reason.
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which is not to say that getting drunk creates a high risk, or being sober is a protection.
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Maybe, but if woman A dresses provocatively and woman B doesn't, but both women are careful in other ways (don't get too drunk, don't walk home alone at night, etc.), they're both just as likely to get raped.
by dressing provocatively i'm really just talking about making yourself more sexually attractive

a property which seems to play a role in how likely you are to be raped

unless there's another good explanation for younger women being raped more than older women

i think maybe reduced accessibility due to the nature of the social activities different age demographics take part in would be a reasonable one

but then that would lead me to say that you can reduce risk by not engaging in certain social activities, which is no better to people who get uppity about this kind of thing
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which is not to say that getting drunk creates a high risk, or being sober is a protection.
the question here is why is nads so defensive over the fact that women can put themselves it certain situations in which they have a higher chance of being sexually assaulted

it's not taking any blame away from the rapist whatsoever

however, people can take precautionary measures to protect themselves from certain things happening to them


why would one be defensive over the fact that people can put themselves it certain situations in which they have a higher chance of being wronged in general
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i understand the concern that people have.

when you point out some behaviours carry higher risks, it's an easy step for people to make to say "well it's your fault" and an easy step from there to saying "we don't need to do anything" or "it wasn't really rape".

but as long as you're not an inhuman fuck, you should be able to understand the one does not imply the other.
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what i normally say in these 'victim blaming' discussions is that blame isn't zero sum

assigning (partial/small/whatever) blame to the victim doesnt remove it from the perpetrator

but people are insane about this shit and will accuse you of being rapist-friendly in an instant
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:19 PM   #77
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it comes down to people having a false sense of privilege in modern developed society

yes you are quite free however some people are fucked and the world isn't perfect and it never will be and no one can protect or stop everything from happening to you

and so you yourself have some responsibility to take care of yourself at any given moment
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im glad the men have decided on the final word in this thread

good job fellow patriarchs
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:28 PM   #79
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by dressing provocatively i'm really just talking about making yourself more sexually attractive

a property which seems to play a role in how likely you are to be raped

unless there's another good explanation for younger women being raped more than older women

i think maybe reduced accessibility due to the nature of the social activities different age demographics take part in would be a reasonable one

but then that would lead me to say that you can reduce risk by not engaging in certain social activities, which is no better to people who get uppity about this kind of thing
Probably, though I'm not sure it's practical for any woman to engage that strategy unless you're referring to inherently dangerous social activities.
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im glad the men have decided on the final word in this thread

good job fellow patriarchs
10/10

Too bad Ron missed this.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:30 PM   #81
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I'm not saying that it's unreasonable to suggest that girls be careful. My objections are:

a) We currently have no evidence that any behaviour(s), situations, attires are more or less conducive to rape;
b) That when a rape does occur it really is irrelevant how stupid she was or wasn't. She was still raped and the perpetrator is still as much a rapist regardless of the situation.

Idk about here but apparently this attitude is rife in India.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:32 PM   #82
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tbh with the recent gang rape stuff in india i was more bothered by the western liberal joy over death sentences in a country where they probably picked up the first five dudes they could find and beat a confession out of them to appease the public
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b) That when a rape does occur it really is irrelevant how stupid she was or wasn't. She was still raped and the perpetrator is still as much a rapist regardless of the situation.
well, if her being stupid led to her being raped, informing other women of what not to do should reduce their chance of being raped.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:33 PM   #84
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and her in the future
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Old 10-11-2013, 06:38 PM   #85
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It's the only crime where people focus on the victim
nah not really

but it's probably the most obvious in that sense
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this is so fucking dumb

grahhh all these 'don't rape people' things are so dumb
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But for some reason when a woman gets raped people want to know these irrelevant details.
because it hinges on consent
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Old 10-11-2013, 07:09 PM   #88
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anyway this is the same old shit

you generally aren't morally responsible for getting raped regardless of however your behaviour may or may not have encouraged it
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Drinking in excess, going to rape-y parties, hanging out with/dating/marrying guys who are statistically more likely to rape, not being assertive, and being more sexually promiscuous (based on number of sexual partners) increase a woman's likelihood of being raped.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221153.pdf
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/cou/34/2/186/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22288095

Smokey's right. There is a small step from "you can take steps to decrease the likelihood of being raped," to "if you don't take these steps being raped is your fault." But they aren't the same thing, and self-preservation is not mutually exclusive with promotion of social change that will make males less likely to rape. Why would they be?
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Old 10-12-2013, 04:49 PM   #90
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"going to rape-y parties"......rape Party?


wanna guess the country with the Highest rate of rape? (statistically I suppose)?















































ta-da........Sweden, who would've thought, and according to some, the rate is being driven up by the somewhat recent influx of "minorities"

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