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Old 10-11-2013, 03:32 PM   #61
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tbh with the recent gang rape stuff in india i was more bothered by the western liberal joy over death sentences in a country where they probably picked up the first five dudes they could find and beat a confession out of them to appease the public
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Old 10-11-2013, 03:33 PM   #62
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b) That when a rape does occur it really is irrelevant how stupid she was or wasn't. She was still raped and the perpetrator is still as much a rapist regardless of the situation.
well, if her being stupid led to her being raped, informing other women of what not to do should reduce their chance of being raped.
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Old 10-11-2013, 03:33 PM   #63
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and her in the future
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Old 10-11-2013, 07:38 PM   #64
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It's the only crime where people focus on the victim
nah not really

but it's probably the most obvious in that sense
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Old 10-11-2013, 07:59 PM   #65
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this is so fucking dumb

grahhh all these 'don't rape people' things are so dumb
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:01 PM   #66
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But for some reason when a woman gets raped people want to know these irrelevant details.
because it hinges on consent
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:09 PM   #67
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anyway this is the same old shit

you generally aren't morally responsible for getting raped regardless of however your behaviour may or may not have encouraged it
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:30 PM   #68
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Drinking in excess, going to rape-y parties, hanging out with/dating/marrying guys who are statistically more likely to rape, not being assertive, and being more sexually promiscuous (based on number of sexual partners) increase a woman's likelihood of being raped.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221153.pdf
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/cou/34/2/186/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22288095

Smokey's right. There is a small step from "you can take steps to decrease the likelihood of being raped," to "if you don't take these steps being raped is your fault." But they aren't the same thing, and self-preservation is not mutually exclusive with promotion of social change that will make males less likely to rape. Why would they be?
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Old 10-12-2013, 05:49 PM   #69
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"going to rape-y parties"......rape Party?


wanna guess the country with the Highest rate of rape? (statistically I suppose)?















































ta-da........Sweden, who would've thought, and according to some, the rate is being driven up by the somewhat recent influx of "minorities"

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Old 10-13-2013, 12:15 AM   #70
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ima call bullshit on that stat.
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:59 AM   #71
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"We currently have no evidence that any behaviour(s), situations, attires are more or less conducive to rape"

Evidence: Common sense.

You are a rapist
Hmm girl walking alone drunk in short skirt and nearly topless in dark alley.
Hmm girl driving with group of people wearing a sweater in broad daylight.

SITUATION BEHAVIOR AND ATTIRE DONT MATTER lol

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Old 10-13-2013, 02:01 AM   #72
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common sense is not evidence, true fact.
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Old 10-13-2013, 02:16 AM   #73
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Its true, Girl With The Dragon Tattoo books were about how Sweden has all kinds of rapes and sexual harassment.
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Old 10-13-2013, 02:19 AM   #74
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obviously it happens sweden but it happens more, i bet, in south africa for example.

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You are a rapist
Hmm girl walking alone drunk in short skirt and nearly topless in dark alley.
Hmm girl driving with group of people wearing a sweater in broad daylight.
an important point is that rape by stranger is much much more rare than rape by someone you know.
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Old 10-13-2013, 02:42 AM   #75
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i think sweden has the highest reporting rate in europe

but it's a useless statistic so who cares
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:27 AM   #76
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an important point is that rape by stranger is much much more rare than rape by someone you know.
You are a rapist, with a MASK!
Hmm girl you know walking alone drunk in short skirt and nearly topless in dark alley.
Hmm girl you know driving with group of people wearing a sweater in broad daylight.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:30 PM   #77
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Don't be an idiot, HillaryClitTounge.
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How am I an idiot for pointing out that saying "We currently have no evidence that any behaviour(s), situations, attires are more or less conducive to rape" is ridiculous?
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Because the only sensible means of arguing against "there is no evidence" is to provide evidence. you didn't.

Too-clever-by-half thought experiments don't really count
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Sorry I forgot you have never spoken to a woman before Ando. Once you have, it will serve as evidence to my point.
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:38 PM   #81
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that's true, I have never spoken to a woman before
and it is relevant that ive never spoken to a woman before
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wasnt your entire schtick when you started posting here to whine about ad hominem
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:55 PM   #83
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That wasn't being facetious or using ad hominem, any one who has been around a woman knows situation, attire and environment will make a rapist more likely to rape a girl. Because anyone who has been around a woman knows how hormones work.
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:58 PM   #84
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you're implying a correlation between the likelyhood of finding someone attractive and the likelyhood of wanting to rape her

not sure that's a fair reading of the factors that give rise to many (most) rapes
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many (most) rapes involve a man who wants to have sex. you really think it's not safe to assume attire, situation and environment increase desire to have sex/rape?

How would you go about getting evidence for proving any of that? you are just being ridiculous and saying since I can't disprove it, it must be true, while ignoring a much more realistic theory. You are like a religious person.
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:59 PM   #86
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With new data out rape is primarily a men's issue
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i don't know if i buy the idea rape doesn't have anything to do with sexual attraction.

but the ability of the rapist to overpower the victim is probably more important.
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if you dont think rape is about sexual attraction then answer the question posed about that earlier in the thread, buttheads
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Old 10-19-2013, 08:08 AM   #89
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That wasn't being facetious or using ad hominem, any one who has been around a woman knows situation, attire and environment will make a rapist more likely to rape a girl. Because anyone who has been around a woman knows how hormones work.
this makes no fucking sense whatsoever

whose hormones

the woman's

are you saying women get raped because of their hormones
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many (most) rapes involve a man who wants to have sex.
yeah but the sex itself might be ancillary most of the time

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How would you go about getting evidence for proving any of that? you are just being ridiculous and saying since I can't disprove it, it must be true, while ignoring a much more realistic theory. You are like a religious person.
fwiw im not saying "it must be true" that women don't have any control over the likelyhood they will be raped.

in any event, the more important point (one touched on earlier) is that ascribing blame for getting raped to the victim because she was dressed scantily is pretty reprehensible
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