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Old 10-11-2013, 01:32 PM   #31
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This reads too much like pnwi...
duuuuuuude

i dont make serious posts in pnwi

what have you done
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:34 PM   #32
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We're not talking about motivation though we're talking about opportunity
whaaaaat

why are you telling me what i'm talking about
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:36 PM   #33
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i kill guy a's dog, and don't know guy b

who is more likely to punch me

EXCUSE ME, THEY BOTH HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY SO YOU CAN'T KNOW

motive is obviously important in figuring out how people are likely to behave
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:37 PM   #34
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i dont care any more, i dont wanna post in pnwi

and i dont like having to make completely unrelated analogies just so you people can understand the most simple of concepts
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:41 PM   #35
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Give me evidence that of real rapes which occur, certain features are more prominent than others.
im not gonna start linking you to studies cuz i refuse to be pnwi about it

but something like 80% of rape victims are under 30

why is that
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:43 PM   #36
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or to keep you on track, maybe its better to just say a disproportionately large number of victims are between 18 and 30 years old
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in case its not clear, im saying that its probably because sexual attractiveness and general accessibility play a role in how likely you are to be raped

and so increasing those things makes it more likely that you'll be raped

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Old 10-11-2013, 01:56 PM   #38
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no and stop using the phrase 'by your logic'
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:58 PM   #39
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though obviously rape is some kind of function of victim/perpetrator exposure by the very nature of the act
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all other things being equal, are you more or less at risk of sexual assault if you are blind drunk?
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all other things being equal, are you more or less at risk of sexual assault if you are blind drunk?
more at risk of any kind of crime that is helped along by you being defenceless
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therefore, being less drunk implies you are less at risk.

all other things being equal.
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i literally do not know what you're talking about nadine
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:03 PM   #44
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though im inclined to believe dressing less provocatively does actually reduce your chances of being raped
Maybe, but if woman A dresses provocatively and woman B doesn't, but both women are careful in other ways (don't get too drunk, don't walk home alone at night, etc.), they're both just as likely to get raped.

It might be true, though, that most women that aren't careful dress provocatively.
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therefore, being less drunk implies you are less at risk.

all other things being equal.
in a simplistic model, sure
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confounding effects

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I'm asking if you think being drunk makes someone more likely to try and rape you
probably.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:05 PM   #47
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Yes this is exactly what you are saying

You're saying that dressing provocatively (etc) puts you at a higher risk of rape

So therefore more conservative dressing countries should have a lower incidence of rape

As should countries where there is higher segregation between men and women
think im gonna stick to smokey d now, if he has anything to say

because, based only on his last post, he appears to understand ceteris paribus
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are you throwing confounding effects at me smokey d

if yes, expand

if no, ok
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at nads.
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I'm asking if you think being drunk makes someone more likely to try and rape you
yes

we subconsciously (or not) determine the risk of every choice we make

the risk of getting caught raping a drunk person is less than a sober person

also - it is easier in general to rape a drunk person
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Bonified rapists just straight up drug you for a reason.
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which is not to say that getting drunk creates a high risk, or being sober is a protection.
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Maybe, but if woman A dresses provocatively and woman B doesn't, but both women are careful in other ways (don't get too drunk, don't walk home alone at night, etc.), they're both just as likely to get raped.
by dressing provocatively i'm really just talking about making yourself more sexually attractive

a property which seems to play a role in how likely you are to be raped

unless there's another good explanation for younger women being raped more than older women

i think maybe reduced accessibility due to the nature of the social activities different age demographics take part in would be a reasonable one

but then that would lead me to say that you can reduce risk by not engaging in certain social activities, which is no better to people who get uppity about this kind of thing
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which is not to say that getting drunk creates a high risk, or being sober is a protection.
the question here is why is nads so defensive over the fact that women can put themselves it certain situations in which they have a higher chance of being sexually assaulted

it's not taking any blame away from the rapist whatsoever

however, people can take precautionary measures to protect themselves from certain things happening to them


why would one be defensive over the fact that people can put themselves it certain situations in which they have a higher chance of being wronged in general
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i understand the concern that people have.

when you point out some behaviours carry higher risks, it's an easy step for people to make to say "well it's your fault" and an easy step from there to saying "we don't need to do anything" or "it wasn't really rape".

but as long as you're not an inhuman fuck, you should be able to understand the one does not imply the other.
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what i normally say in these 'victim blaming' discussions is that blame isn't zero sum

assigning (partial/small/whatever) blame to the victim doesnt remove it from the perpetrator

but people are insane about this shit and will accuse you of being rapist-friendly in an instant
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it comes down to people having a false sense of privilege in modern developed society

yes you are quite free however some people are fucked and the world isn't perfect and it never will be and no one can protect or stop everything from happening to you

and so you yourself have some responsibility to take care of yourself at any given moment
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im glad the men have decided on the final word in this thread

good job fellow patriarchs
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by dressing provocatively i'm really just talking about making yourself more sexually attractive

a property which seems to play a role in how likely you are to be raped

unless there's another good explanation for younger women being raped more than older women

i think maybe reduced accessibility due to the nature of the social activities different age demographics take part in would be a reasonable one

but then that would lead me to say that you can reduce risk by not engaging in certain social activities, which is no better to people who get uppity about this kind of thing
Probably, though I'm not sure it's practical for any woman to engage that strategy unless you're referring to inherently dangerous social activities.
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im glad the men have decided on the final word in this thread

good job fellow patriarchs
10/10

Too bad Ron missed this.
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