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Old 07-08-2013, 02:56 AM   #31
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I'll keep coming as long as there's a football (soccer) thread haha
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:09 AM   #32
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How about some kind of notification system on a user's profile on the review site when someone replies to a thread they've created over here?
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:13 AM   #33
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Yeah, since facebook arrived, people have got lazy and haven't checked a forum unless they're well into it and it's difficult to get into it if they're into something else.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:41 AM   #34
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How about some kind of notification system on a user's profile on the review site when someone replies to a thread they've created over here?
This is a really good idea!. It could be an addition to the current thing on the main page where you've got 'my discussions', 'news', 'reviews'. A lot of the time I go on the review site with no particular aim and just end up clicking on 'my discussions' to see if any interesting review threads have been bumped. So a forums-related one would appeal to me
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:53 AM   #35
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kids consume content entirely differently from when tabs were available. its no longer find a sheet, try it, ask for some advice on how to play it right. youtube has ensured that no matter what you want to do then you can find someone somewhere who gives a practical demonstration.

the nugget in all this is the community and the fact that if people want to fit in then they can. there is no really inside joke thing going on if you look at the threads and posts over the last 12 months. sure there are friendships but thats what anyone would expect. i didn't know sanders until recently and only met him through the pit.
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:25 AM   #36
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To be frank, the forums make no money. And even large forums have almost no revenue potential -- no one wants to pay for advertising on discussion websites. This applies to even pseudo-forums like reddit.

So my motivation here isn't business. But if do think it's valuable to have a general forum where people can discuss music and have off-topic conversations IF it bolsters/supports an existing community. In this case, the community is sputnik (the review site). The failure thus far is that the review site/forum communities have remained somewhat separate. The goal with some of these changes is to make the forums more appealing to review site users - and removing some history (in the form of archiving threads/forums) is probably a necessary step to provide a cleaner slate.
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:38 AM   #37
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you do what you have to do

we'll still be here somewhere

one other thing; boards like pnwi are failing because everyone too well informed. it is essential but i am not always sure about the relevancy of the threads that are made to everyone.

history makes for great discussion but thats exhausted. also because we are desensitised to news because its everywhere you look al the time including commentary.

maybe some sort of moderated rss feed that showed at the top of the board with latest news might actually drive some discussion and also put news in context and inspire people to make a thread that they want to debate their view in.

also, its great to have active moderators but in pnwi they actually need to moderate more and debate less. keep it running on the tracks
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:11 AM   #38
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Just wanted to say that I was one of the last remaining members of the rock and metal section and the whole forum moved to an independent forum because of how inept the staff here is. Pit/community posters ran wild and shit up our entire forum with their garbage that had nothing to do with music and the staff refused to do any thing about it because of favoritism. That was the last active music related forum and everyone has left because the moderators are lazy and incompetent. The problem is the pit users who aren't interested in discussing music and just want to circlejerk. These people contribute absolutely nothing to the site other than stroking each others egos.
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:29 AM   #39
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yeah blockhead has makes some great points

if instead of making circlejerk pitfag humor posts all the time, what i really should have done was follow his lead and spam a bunch of gore and porn

sorry for killing the forums everyone
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:43 AM   #40
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that's a great strawman
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:55 AM   #41
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well the man isnt really so straw, so to speak - you actually did do those things, and the suggestion that sweboy calling mr ron a fuzzybutt or something is somehow more destructive than that is ridiculous

i also think "the faggot circlejerk pit crew" is less a real thing than you want it to be, but whatever

to engage your point more directly, sure we've probably been a little too insular. maybe that made it hard for new posters to make more than 1 or two posts. i dont think that was particularly untrue of r&m, though. I mean, we were relatively welcoming whenever a review site poster crossed over. i think it's a hard case to make that go back to the review site, turd is more productive in terms of not destroying the site
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:59 AM   #42
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your pit buddies are the one who destroyed the last active music forum (hsg, fingers, etc) by posting non stop garbage and derailing every conversation

the community forum was meant to be a supplemental forum and not the main one, this place is just a circlejerk and i doubt it appeals to people who come to a MUSIC forum

also i don't think you know what strawman means
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:02 AM   #43
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i don't really care what you think because like i've said before you and your whole little crew are nothing but trash who like to suck each other off in my eyes. i have no desire to come back to this site but i do think it's sad what happened to it.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:06 AM   #44
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i'm giving my honest opinion to jeremy about my experience with this site the past 11 years

should have known that the pit cock sucking legion would show up soon enough though
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:28 AM   #45
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at least part of the reason the forums dried up is the medium, i think. A quick romp around the internet shows that most message boards have gone the way of mx; they all seem to have become relatively smaller, more insular, slightly weirder communities. there are a number of reasons why this might be the case, but for the time being it think it's fair to say the "mainstream" internet isn't looking for what message boards provide anymore. So in trying to save the forum, we're fighting with something that's kind of inherent to forums generally in the process

which isn't to sound defeatist - I think we can make this side of the site "useful" again (whatever that means), but I think we should all temper our expectations a bit and be realistic with the number of committed members the forums might ever gain again at this point

especially in light of the fact that a lot of features on the review site already provide what the forums offer
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:38 AM   #46
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:42 AM   #47
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well you're the only one who seems to see it as a problem
lol yeah... the only one who hasn't already left the site. don't you realize there isn't much activity because a lot of people left? are you retarded?
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:04 AM   #48
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Can we:

1.) Put links to UserCP and the forum hierarchy on the bottom of pages so we don't have to scroll back up for those links?

2.)Increase the max avatar size by enough that people don't assume this forum is dead(er) than it is due to the 10 year old maximum size limits.

3.)Bring reputation back

4.)Discourage bullying newbs and unban previously grudge-banned accounts such as Mappy's and Blockhead's and even Tronn and Jaylink.

5.)Implement more of the BBcode functionality as seen on sites like SomethingAwful and what have you
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:24 AM   #49
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I'm going to stay on MX until everyone leaves so I can post alone in my t-shirt and boxers with zero judgement
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:35 AM   #50
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I used to post in pop-punk for years and it was one of the best communitites we had.

Basc, kids don't wanna post in forums anymore.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:40 AM   #51
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Kids nowadays would rather use twitter and facebook groups and have everything in one place unless it's for really niche stuff like retro game collecting or car stuff, and on top of that, there is very little "good music" coming out lately and what good there is nobody wants to talk about as much because everyone is clinging desperately hoping that they don't shit the bed on their next release (ahem, Taylor Swift)
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:44 AM   #52
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there is a REALLY fast paced group on facebook called UK EMO. it shows how people are basically doing a forum thing, but on facebook, which is not designed for stuff like that. they call posts on the page 'threads' and it sucks.

should get all people like that into forums, it would work better for them. except the fact that it's not integrated into facebook, something they regularly check anyway.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:52 AM   #53
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so many people post on the review site it's untrue. i've hardly ever even looked in there. hmmm. people make lists and post on the lists. maybe the lists and news should be part of the forums just a different way in which to post, like polls.
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sam makes a very valid point in that there are some users who just needtopost and they do this to the detriment of the entire board. post anything anywhere. its like they've come out as posters and are being extravert and flamboyant. then there are other like fingers who matured in recent years to the point where he thought he was everyone's intellectual equal lol. and then theres chad the unforgiving who uses post blitzkrieg to annihilate any poster who dares to argue with him but in some fucked up way doesn't realise that most people pity him and stop posting because its a pain in the hole to carry on.

so i can see why restructuring and reorganising the forum into a more accessible and intuitive way will be very helpful. but for as long as the egotists are stil here then there is little hope of newbs staying around. Anarchist Fish done it, Sanders done it, maybe they should be inspiring others to cope with the madness.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:23 AM   #55
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so many people post on the review site it's untrue. i've hardly ever even looked in there. hmmm. people make lists and post on the lists. maybe the lists and news should be part of the forums just a different way in which to post, like polls.
People use lists as off topic conversations. They'll post 4-5 bands to go along with whatever and then the list will get a ton of replies. You can't quote or post photos and its just one long page of replies. If lists could be turned into threads you'd have the review site side (links to the band pages and albums) with the replies being in the forum format.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:29 PM   #56
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Just checkin in to say that the forums as they currently are cannot and will not become a 'place to be' for music fans, because the site itself isn't and it's run by a guy who doesn't particularly want it to be.

I spent my first five or so years here exclusively posting in the music forums about music, and there was a very clear change to the things the community talked about after the death of mxtabs. the instrument forums began to focus largely on gear and elementary pedagogical inquiries and were also used as an advertising space by small, nascent groups, as the established community dispersed to other sites. I can't speak as a veteran of the forums focussing on the consumption of music cause i didn't largely care about them, but they were the least affected by the change and I don't think blockhead's point about their being 'ruined' by the GD community really holds water - GD posters only really ever strayed to community threads elsewhere, not throughout the other forums in general. Perhaps those community threads within specific forums were seen as strongholds of pertinent thought or something but I can't see why people like myself ruined them (and to be honest I don't think I'm a good example of someone who isn't interested in music - it's how I make my living)

The review site has its own discussion functionality and I suggest that this should be nurtured enough to effectively absorb the 'community' section, which is presumably part of J-dogg's plans. However, the forums as a whole will never be what they were (which wouldn't be particularly desirable anyway) without stronger content on the main site, focussed as it once was on a constructive approach to the subject rather than a poorly-regulated critical one. Perhaps it could be made into a social bookmarking sort of thing for music lessons and so on; a place where I, as a teacher, could post youtube vids or whatever - but that's not going to happen. As far as keeping it about music news and criticism, I can't really comment because I hate most music criticism and those sites pretty much always have terrible communities without a specific focus or some sort of hipster cachet.

and Blockhead, just because you don't like people doesn't mean they've 'ruined the forums'. You can't blame people for posting miscellaneous things in the 'misc' section, it's just silly.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:50 PM   #58
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The review site is where you can really get people and become known/better known as the place to go to read reviews on new releases without being that asscrack that reads, believes, and quotes Pitchfork. Add more ties to the review site and slowly phase out the forums (since it looks like they're getting more and more consolidated every year anyways) and add more vBulletin functionality to the review site.
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like ones where you can recognise the image
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It surprises me any user can be surprised by whatever changes are made and not made here. The forums are not a priority and never have been, really. We post here and that's about it. A post is a post.

Reviews site users here? Maybe. I try to promote the forums when I use the reviews site but meh.

And jeremy can you click a button over there and have my emeritus status reinstated? Are they done away with? I think some didn't like my news which is appropriate if off hand, but why do my occasional contributions need to be approved now.? I have been a solid contributor but who knows? Just want to be able to contribute freely again. Not like I spam up the place. Don't like my news articles, don't read 'em

If not that's fine. But that's the only change which concerns me

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