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Old 09-03-2017, 07:35 AM   #1
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I hope that you could recommend me some anarchist bands or at least songs. Of course Against me, the clash or some themes in Nirvana are known to me, but nonetheless, I thought that a more comprehensive list would be useful. Probably some cypress hill, ani flag (though, they are rather liberals) or rage against the machine can qualify as well, but i am not a great fan of them. I'm sure there are loads of it, but I can't really think of anything else right now.

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Real anarchists wouldn't start bands. Making music about your political views is passÚ, and if anything, anarchists are about bucking trends. Anyone claiming to be an anarchist while simultaneously trying to sell you an album is a playing into a commercialization of revolutionary beliefs, which is chauvinist and inauthentic. I would advise you to listen to whatever feels good and stop your search, as you will only be disappointed.
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Real anarchists wouldn't start bands. Making music about your political views is passÚ, and if anything, anarchists are about bucking trends. Anyone claiming to be an anarchist while simultaneously trying to sell you an album is a playing into a commercialization of revolutionary beliefs, which is chauvinist and inauthentic. I would advise you to listen to whatever feels good and stop your search, as you will only be disappointed.
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Supercoolguy, thanks!

"Making music about your political views is passÚ", I know that it may be a little silly to attempt to find ideological or political message in art, but since a lot of rap or punk does mention some political issues, i see no reason not to try to find an anarchist one.

"Anyone claiming to be an anarchist while simultaneously trying to sell you an album is a playing into a commercialization of revolutionary beliefs" - well, probably it may be true to some anarchists, but I am an individualist anarchist hence not so much to me

" I would advise you to listen to whatever feels good and stop your search, as you will only be disappointed." - well, only the truth sets us free, right?
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Now heavy metal is a very fit vehicle for promoting nihilistic beliefs. How stupid can you be? A nihilist doesn't care about commercialization because all is vain and lacking in meaning anyway, commercialism or anti-commercialism is just the same. Anarchists on the other hand are pretentious in their beliefs and completely ignore the fact that anarchy once enacted would immediately fall in on itself and all of those anarchists would happily go along with the communist government that rises from its ashes. This thread has nothing to do with global warming Chuck so it seems it's above your paygrade. Stop being such a queer and maybe people will like you here.
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"Making music about your political views is passÚ", I know that it may be a little silly to attempt to find ideological or political message in art, but since a lot of rap or punk does mention some political issues, i see no reason not to try to find an anarchist one.
Who said anything about art? I was talking about music. And it is, it's dumb. I don't buy music to hear someone talk to me about their idiotic beliefs. They're all liberal anyway. I saw B-Real, Chuck D, Tim C., Tom Morello, and Brad Wilk on one of the late night shows the other night and it was total horse shit. These old guys don't even know that they are fossils of the past and time has left them. How long can these five ghosts of dead liberalism keep making shit music and the public keep eating it up? It's like that queer Neil Young who won't retire into obscurity already. I'm so tired of their bullshit. A revolution would run them out of their houses and to the guillotines frankly, they're bourgeois scum. Oh and Morello did another one of those wanky solos that's like three notes at 40 beats a minute with a few bends... Wow, 40 years of guitar and that's all you got? What a fucking shithead.
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Are you fucking stupid or is it some bizarre aesthetic theory that you're presenting in here? Honestly, I can't believe that someone may write a post that long with so little sense.

1. " I don't buy music to hear someone talk to me about their idiotic beliefs."- Why do you buy it then? Music, if understood as a complete work (with lyrics being part of it), to be valued should contain some message. If there is no reflection on whatever the topic may be, I don't find it worthwhile at all. Of course if it's only instrumental the case is different, but that is exactly why I narrowed down the genres we can deliberate upon in this thread.

2. "Who said anything about art?" - Well, if the use of "art" instead of the "arts" mislead you, I will try to be more careful when talking with you. But looking at the very definitions of both words, I made no mistake whatsoever.

3. "They're all liberal anyway." and "A revolution would run them out of their houses and to the guillotines frankly, they're bourgeois scum. " Gosh, we have a political thinker in here! Please, before killing the affluent, test the guillotine on yourself. That way you will save some suffering to the mentioned.

4. "I saw B-Real, Chuck D, Tim C., Tom Morello, and Brad Wilk on one of the late night shows the other night and it was total horse shit. These old guys don't even know that they are fossils of the past and time has left them. " - I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

5. "ghosts of dead liberalism" - So is it liberalism that is dead or they are dead? The logical structure of this sentence does not exist, really.

6. "is thread has nothing to do with global warming Chuck so it seems it's above your paygrade. Stop being such a queer and maybe people will like you here." - Well, I don't know any of you, but it's you not chuck that started being offensive and somehow obnoxious with his aesthetic and political standing.

7. "Anarchists on the other hand are pretentious in their beliefs " no comment, I've wasted enough of my time talking to you

8. Chuck, what does "vf" mean?
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You get use to the ramblings of them ... best to ignore most them.

In regards to your OP:

Not really my speciality, so I'd suggest you do an internet search. Then come back here and check out the reviews for their albums. Or look at similar artists to those that you do enjoy (Sputnik has this under artist's bios and other sites do similar too).

I would imagine some Dead Kennedys, Propagandhi ...
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Are you fucking stupid or is it some bizarre aesthetic theory that you're presenting in here? Honestly, I can't believe that someone may write a post that long with so little sense.
I live in a world of theory. I would deign to come down to your level, but I'd rather opt to stay where I am.

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1. " I don't buy music to hear someone talk to me about their idiotic beliefs."- Why do you buy it then? Music, if understood as a complete work (with lyrics being part of it), to be valued should contain some message. If there is no reflection on whatever the topic may be, I don't find it worthwhile at all. Of course if it's only instrumental the case is different, but that is exactly why I narrowed down the genres we can deliberate upon in this thread.
Wow, you must really not like Beethoven, or Bach (Bacccchchhe because I'm a pretentious fuck), or Sch÷p, or Handel, or Telemann. Music as a complete work? These lack lyrics so they're incomplete works. Thank you for clearing this up.

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2. "Who said anything about art?" - Well, if the use of "art" instead of the "arts" mislead you, I will try to be more careful when talking with you. But looking at the very definitions of both words, I made no mistake whatsoever.
Let's retrace our steps, student. I was talking about politics in music which I think actually distracts from the musician's job of creating a great piece of work. You raised the topic of art, like I would extend this to writing, painting, basket weaving, and the other varied disciplines subsumed under the title art. That's not necessarily a bad mistake but one many people would have made but, when I read a political book I'm looking for politics. When I'm reading a history book I don't want politics. And when I'm listening to a piece of music I'm listening for a compelling melody and secondarily I appreciate having something to think about. "Eat the rich" doesn't give me anything to think about, it just says to me that the writer wants me to agree with him uncritically and that he's a sad piece of shit who's jealous of other people and unhappy with himself.

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3. "They're all liberal anyway." and "A revolution would run them out of their houses and to the guillotines frankly, they're bourgeois scum. " Gosh, we have a political thinker in here! Please, before killing the affluent, test the guillotine on yourself. That way you will save some suffering to the mentioned.
Your delivery failed. I'm sensing sarcasm here, but I think you just fundamentally misunderstood me. I'm saying these revolutionary artists are not really revolutionary, they're rote and conformist. Whining about what you see as wrong in the world is as old as whining itself practically. What's not old is most of these people are young and lack life experience and just don't know what they're talking about. And when you study revolutions, they're vacuums that are often premised on a theory of human rights but the vacuum is quickly filled with a totalitarian dictatorship. What was different about the American founding is it was founded on an explicitly theistic grounds that acknowledge men as endowed by rights by their Creator, which were unalienable to any government, and which preceded the state and were natural. The French revolution failed because it was a secular revolution that believed in the power of the government to endow those rights. And the music makers today are not deists or believers in God, they are secular atheists who have no idea what it takes to build a society.

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4. "I saw B-Real, Chuck D, Tim C., Tom Morello, and Brad Wilk on one of the late night shows the other night and it was total horse shit. These old guys don't even know that they are fossils of the past and time has left them. " - I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
You must be a millennial. B-Real, Cypress Hill, Chuck D., Public Enemy number one? No Telemann, no Public Enemy. You're a real bore.

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5. "ghosts of dead liberalism" - So is it liberalism that is dead or they are dead? The logical structure of this sentence does not exist, really.
I know. Modifiers are so hard. I mean what is an adjective? It must be a microaggression because it discriminates against those lacking a basic knowledge of grammar. Actually I think adjectives are racist and to accommodate the minorities in our society who come from societies with single digit literacy rates I think we should resort to a simple subject-verb sentence structure. In fact, everything should be said like Tarzan in the movies.

Me want anarchy music! Me want music with lyrics! Me no like music without lyrics!

Ghosts or dead liberalism, that is a kind of liberalism which is dead. Unfortunately other varieties are still living and trying to kill us.

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6. "is thread has nothing to do with global warming Chuck so it seems it's above your paygrade. Stop being such a queer and maybe people will like you here." - Well, I don't know any of you, but it's you not chuck that started being offensive and somehow obnoxious with his aesthetic and political standing.
I'll let this slide because, frankly, you can't begin to understand what a cumbersome little bitch Chuck has been for almost the last fifteen years. He's a snide little weasel that likes to shit on people all over the forum and thinks it makes him cool. He's a Canadian basically. They actually pretend to be a lot better than us even though they genocided their Indians (they hide this ugly part of their history) whereas we just coughed on ours, and because they had such wimpy little fragile constitutions they immediately took ill and died. And now we still have to listen to this bullshit four hundred years later.

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7. "Anarchists on the other hand are pretentious in their beliefs " no comment, I've wasted enough of my time talking to you
Well damn. You should have put this under number one so I wouldn't have had to type a three thousand word response. I literally just read this comment and realize now how I have erred. Apologies.

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I'll let this slide because, frankly, you can't begin to understand what a cumbersome little bitch Chuck has been for almost the last fifteen years. He's a snide little weasel that likes to shit on people all over the forum and thinks it makes him cool. He's a Canadian basically. They actually pretend to be a lot better than us even though they genocided their Indians (they hide this ugly part of their history) whereas we just coughed on ours, and because they had such wimpy little fragile constitutions they immediately took ill and died. And now we still have to listen to this bullshit four hundred years later.
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There are many different kinds of anarchists.

I considered myself an anarcho-capitalist for a while in my 20s. I considered it the logical conclusion of the libertarian beliefs I had held before then. Basically I believed that private entities could do everything that governments currently do, but could do them better, and that what they couldn't do wasn't useful anyway.

If you're interested in anarcho-capitalism, check out "The Machinery of Freedom" by David Friedman. I believe he's put an updated copy of it online for free via his website. He's a smart guy and a very strong writer.

(Note: I am no longer an anarchist or even a libertarian.)

Anyway, I don't remember ever seeing a band that espoused true anarchist beliefs, at least not in any deliberate way. Some bands might throw out a lyric here and there that suggests anarchy, but that isn't the same thing. Anarchy also isn't the same thing as chaos or nihilism or general teenage angst. To my mind it specifically entails the argument that there should be no government, period.

There could be a "principled" anarchist band, I just haven't heard them. I don't think it would be very interesting anyway.
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@VF:

There are a few brave musicians out there who aren't left-wing and aren't afraid to let people know that.

The lead singer of Staind, for one, though I wouldn't recommend listening to his music even with your fingers jammed in your ears.

I think Buzz Osbourne of the Melvins might be kinda right-wing. He's at least definitely not a liberal.

Plenty of country musicians are right-wing.

And uh...I'm a musician, though only as a hobby. Some of my songs do contain political messages, but they'd require a bit of picking apart before you'd realize it.
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C, I consider myself quite close to the position of anarcho capitalism. And because of the limitations of libertarianism in the intellectual sphere [who wants to hear about property rights in songs] I was looking for something anarchist but more towards the "left" side of the spectrum, whatever the simplification I am making here is.
And honestly, I would not recommend a serious discussion with vc, it has no purpose.
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C, I consider myself quite close to the position of anarcho capitalism. And because of the limitations of libertarianism in the intellectual sphere [who wants to hear about property rights in songs] I was looking for something anarchist but more towards the "left" side of the spectrum, whatever the simplification I am making here is.
And honestly, I would not recommend a serious discussion with vc, it has no purpose.
Well, theoretically a song about property rights doesn't need to be any less exciting than a song about monopolies on violence; from a libertarian or an-cap perspective the two are closely linked anyway.

I think of Left-anarchism as being very different from Right-anarchism (which I would say includes anarcho-capitalism). So, if you're an anarcho-capitalist you could hear a left-anarchist song and totally disagree with the message. In other words, I don't think your simplification is going to get you what you want. Good luck to you anyway though...

But all this is moot in the first place because I can't really think of any principled anarchist (ANY type of anarchist) bands anyway. Beyond angsty teenage "I hate the government because they're an authority and I hate authority" type stuff, rock probably just isn't a great platform for anarchist politics, since anarchist politics are unusual and therefore require a lot of explanation and justification.

The only way around that and still make good music is to get very abstract and cryptic. In which case you won't really know they're anarchists until somebody tells you.
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Anyway, I don't remember ever seeing a band that espoused true anarchist beliefs, at least not in any deliberate way. Some bands might throw out a lyric here and there that suggests anarchy, but that isn't the same thing. Anarchy also isn't the same thing as chaos or nihilism or general teenage angst. To my mind it specifically entails the argument that there should be no government, period.

There could be a "principled" anarchist band, I just haven't heard them. I don't think it would be very interesting anyway.
Because they're all corporate shills, all bowing down to their corporate puppet masters in obeisance to the almighty dollar. That's what I'm trying to tell the moron OP. But he's trying to say I'm making an aesthetic theory or something and not an actual point.
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There are a few brave musicians out there who aren't left-wing and aren't afraid to let people know that.

The lead singer of Staind, for one, though I wouldn't recommend listening to his music even with your fingers jammed in your ears.

I think Buzz Osbourne of the Melvins might be kinda right-wing. He's at least definitely not a liberal.

Plenty of country musicians are right-wing.

And uh...I'm a musician, though only as a hobby. Some of my songs do contain political messages, but they'd require a bit of picking apart before you'd realize it.
I didn't know Aaron Lewis believed in freedom. Phil Labonte from All That Remains is a libertarian, but the music has sucked ever since he turned it into his very own political caucus.
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@VF:

Hah, yeah I guess a proper ancap band should just sing about their sponsors. That's pretty on point, and pretty funny.

I don't know who Phil Labonte or All That Remains are (from the band name alone I can tell they suck), but I'll say this: being a libertarian without having conservative social views is fine if that's what you really believe, but it doesn't earn you any bravery points in my book. The thought police/Eye of Sauron don't care if you want to abolish the Fed or eliminate capital gains tax, but they'll turn on you in a split second if they catch so much as a whiff of doubt about, say, the wisdom of affirmative action.

By the way VF, I get that you probably love hanging out at 4chan/pol or some shit, but you should keep it over there.
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Marx had planks, but OP has a stick up his ass. He literally came here to solicit opinions and I gave him one, and in response he said I have no purpose.

As to 4chan, I only kept my really heady stuff in PNWI. I try to communicate for a general audience in the Pit Community forum. Frankly (and I don't mean Roosevelt, despite starting this post with a reference to Marx), I think libertarianism is completely stupid. I'm a conservative because I believe in institutions, including the family, religion, and morality because they are the backbone of all stable societies. I think perversions such as abortion and homosexuality should be curtailed, abortion through a direct prohibition and homosexuality by just keeping it in the bedroom where it belongs, same with public displays of affection, heterosexual or other. The public square, parks, city streets, and byways should be places where children can roam free without fear of being snatched up into someone's vehicle and driven out into the woods, or to see a homeless bum masturbating, or two exhibitionists forcing their tongues down each other's throats. In fact, I think rituals of public humiliation, including but not limited to or encompassing any combination therefrom: lobbing rotted vegetation into the faces of criminals, the stocks, branding, tar and feathering, slut shaming, featuring the mugs of evil perps on billboards, or bringing back the law of outlawry, which legally makes it permittable to steal, rob, or kill the outcast, should be completely brought back.

Libertarians oppose all of these things. They think frankly that many laws should be abolished and criminality should be allowed to proliferate, in the name of freedom. They want gay marriage, which is the authoring of the death of society, permittance of abortion, which is the killing of the next generation and attendant death of society, and all manner of evil, so long as it is done privately and with respect toward the rights of others to not participate. They are hypocrites basically.
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I don't know who Phil Labonte or All That Remains are (from the band name alone I can tell they suck), but I'll say this: being a libertarian without having conservative social views is fine if that's what you really believe, but it doesn't earn you any bravery points in my book.
If it were anybody else, I'd let that slide. But as all of their fans know, they've changed genres like four times. They've done everything form melo death, metalcore, electronic, radio-friendly rock, to a cover of Garth Brooks so I don't see how you can say categorically that they suck. Which genre do they suck at, because between 2002-2008 they were among the most prominent producers of American metalcore and were at the forefront of it with Killswitch Engage and Shadows Fall. They sold a lot of records by metal standards and made a lot of charts so maybe check them out but do so very carefully because I think if you hear stuff from the last eight or so years you'll end up missing out on a lot of good music. Most old fans don't even listen to it any more they've strayed so far from the path. But if it makes them happy, so be it. It's their life. I don't have to buy it.
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Dude, stop it. Nobody wants to talk politics/political philosophy in here- I just wanted names of some bands. Pretty much everything you've written is untrue; your ignorance combined with this peculiar malevolence makes it hard to stand really. I'm replying only because I feel somehow obliged to and will not point out every single stupid thing you have written so far, but I need to admit, the last post was really funny. C wrote he did not know the band but it sounded like it sucked and now you respond with some shit bout the bands history and that he cannot "categorically say they suck". rotfl
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I'm matbla and I know the inner thoughts and feelings of everyone at all times.

Well look at you. Mr. I joined a month ago and now I run the place. Listen son, maybe in ten or fifteen years, your say might go a bit farther around here than an piece of old salami but until then, try to show some respect for us old-timers. I put in my time and earned the right to talk shit to people. I've been here thirteen years bitch.

If everything I say is untrue, then maybe you should just reverse the truth value of those statements, and then you may have the truth to everything? Or at least a lot of true statements.
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I would apologize for busting your balls, but on the basis of your totally insipid conduct here, I'm not certain you have any. Face it matt, you've been outwitted, outsmarted, and outmanned. The only thing left for you now is to resign yourself to the position of being the forum lackey. Hey, no shame in that friend. We were all there at one time, even that maple syrup snorting smartass from Canada, Chuck, who fancies himself some sort of God. There was a time when he was made a bitch, maybe even by someone who still is a member here today, like Mardy or Black Ink. Just to prove there is no shame, for instance at the Supreme Court, the most junior member gets slave duties until a new member is appointed. Occasionally there may be years before a justice dies or retires and a new one is appointed so it may be many years they are the justices' bitch. But not in any way does it diminish the honor and grandeur of being a United States Supreme Court Justice.

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