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Old 07-21-2010, 01:12 AM   #1
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Old 09-27-2010, 05:11 AM   #2
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or at least let me know how long the ban is for if you dont want to rescind it
okay i posted one picture that wasnt even that bad, have been banned for 3 days and counting, and then there were people spamming pictures and being 'toxic to the community' that only get a weeks ban?

please unban, i just wanna get on with my ratings and reviewing etc

This is to let you know I am not ignoring your posts, but I don't know who banned you and I don't mess with other people's bans. Until that mod appears, use this time to reflect on how heavily this punishment is weighing on you - now you'll never ever do it again, right?

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Old 09-27-2010, 04:29 PM   #4
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Got one of my lists that was digs and actually had a bit of musical discussion IN IT deleted today and would like an explanation. Sorry if it sounds rude, I just want to know how the rules work because seeing tons of sports/TMF-related/SputnikFriends lists go untouched seems to be a bit of a double standard. There was also minimal trolling(a few random unconstructive comments but that's about it) and almost no direct verbal attacking of any user(a few of us poked fun at each other, but no one got huttburt and there was no flaming, just a random delete.)
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What was the list?

Also feel free to report any lists which cross the line.

Some self-moderation from the userbase (like not posting non-music lists) would be just swell, of course.
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I called it "Judge the Person Above You" simply to get more people to click on it, but the list description explained that I am interested in psychology and simply wanted to see users perceptions of other users. There was absolutely no arguing, it was generally well received by my peers, the actual list was of 5 bands(and my respective favorite albums by those bands) who are often misperceived, whether it be due to their fanbase, genre, or prevalent opinions about them, but are actually quite good. Me and a few other users even discussed said bands; hell, I recommended music on that list. It just really upsets me that it would get randomly deleted, no warning no heads up, no follow-up reason, nothing.

And on the note of self-moderating, frankly I like the idea itself but am personally against it simply because I know very well that I'm just a user and unless I'm not just a user, I don't want to be overstepping my explicit bounds. Also because I'm still fairly new and confused about what exactly the rules are.
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This whole 'don't post non-music lists' thing is so much horseshit. Yeah, the world's gonna crack into pieces because I want to discuss something other than music on the review site (since it's completely isolated from the very inaccessible forums). Really, who gives a fuck? Who? Who the fuck is offended or disgusted by something other than music being discussed on the reviews site. Unbelievable.
Use the General Discussion/Pit forum on mx. This is a music website. We give a ton of leeway with lists... if you make a modicum of effort to include music on your list 99% of the time we will let it stand because who cares. If you don't bother to include any music content or are offensively blatant about the inappropriateness of your list on a music website, I will regretfully nuke your endeavour. We're not big meanies; it's a music website not facebook. Lists appear on the front page and are seen by all comers. We don't let you review your breakfast or math teacher either so let's be reasonable.
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I called it "Judge the Person Above You" simply to get more people to click on it, but the list description explained that I am interested in psychology and simply wanted to see users perceptions of other users. There was absolutely no arguing, it was generally well received by my peers, the actual list was of 5 bands(and my respective favorite albums by those bands) who are often misperceived, whether it be due to their fanbase, genre, or prevalent opinions about them, but are actually quite good. Me and a few other users even discussed said bands; hell, I recommended music on that list. It just really upsets me that it would get randomly deleted, no warning no heads up, no follow-up reason, nothing.

And on the note of self-moderating, frankly I like the idea itself but am personally against it simply because I know very well that I'm just a user and unless I'm not just a user, I don't want to be overstepping my explicit bounds. Also because I'm still fairly new and confused about what exactly the rules are.
Feel free to start it again. I recommend not getting upset about it; coming to talk to us with a level head about it is always the best solution.

Self-moderation means exactly that. Think to yourself before you post. Is it music related? Is it constructive and beneficial to the community? Is it likely to be deleted or see you get banned? Yes + Yes+ No = all we are asking for.

(General) you guys complain about the quality of new users etc. but it's no wonder considering the example being set by 75% of our active userbase.
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May I inquire as to why my ratings were deleted? I didn't troll rate anything and I didn't rate anything that wasn't released yet, so I'm relatively upset that my 911 ratings are down the toilet.
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would be sweet if http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/39264/Jimmy-Eat-World-Invented/ got a feature some time early this week

edit literally in awe at the speed thank you!

It's an important record. I knew I wanted to feature it... it's just that I had a long day and didn't get to it as quickly as I would have liked.

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Old 09-27-2010, 10:38 PM   #12
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if i can ask the specifics of why chambered got banned

not complaining i just think its hilarious

he started posting paragraph-length gibberish about cocks and lumbar punctures, I was going to save the quote but opted not to give him the satisfaction

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Old 09-27-2010, 10:40 PM   #13
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Why did my list get deleted? It was--at the very least--vaguely music-related.

no it really wasn't. At least pretend they're digs or albums you have heard of or pretty covers...give us something to work with.

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if i can ask the specifics of why chambered got banned

not complaining i just think its hilarious

he started posting paragraph-length gibberish about cocks and lumbar punctures, I was going to save the quote but opted not to give him the satisfaction
Awe I actually needed to talk to him.
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That's actually what I was going to ask him - what's his AIM/FB and so on. And then I had something else to ask him but I guess I'll have to wait a little bit.
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http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Hot-Cross/1306/ - splits should be under a separate band page, delete

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Aziz-Ansari/17189/ - comedian, delete

http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Anal-Cunt/22014/ - fucking delete, someone adds this like twice a year

http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Alias-%26amp;amp;-Tarsier/19778/ - delete

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http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Ben-Harper-%26amp;-Relentless-7/16991/ - delete no point merging with the non-ampersand one since there's only two votes and who cares anyways

http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Bill-Hicks/17884/ - wow

http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Birdman-%26amp;-Lil-Wayne/21643/ - delete

http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Black-Joe-Lewis-%26amp;amp;-The-Honeybears/21309/ - delete there is another entry that isn't fucked

http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Buzzoven/16085/ - as the man says, "See other profile spelt Buzzov-en. Sorry for confusion but didn't know how to fix this myself."

http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Bushido-(Aus)/11689/
http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Bushido-[AUS]/10652/ - take your pick about what to do with these pointless entries

http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Bohren-%26amp;-Der-Club-Of-Gore/20006/
http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Bohren-%26amp;amp;-Der-Club-Of-Gore/13598/ - i love when there are three entries for a band

http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Borat/4525/ - delete

http://sputnikmusic.com/bands/Breaking--The-fourth-Wall/13275/ - delete, another nonfucked entry exists

Haha, what the hell? Is there really a band named Borat?

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omg lol never drink and go on sputnik! sorry for being ridiculous :/

no worries I figured it was a one-off.

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okay i posted one picture that wasnt even that bad, have been banned for 3 days and counting, and then there were people spamming pictures and being 'toxic to the community' that only get a weeks ban?

please unban, i just wanna get on with my ratings and reviewing etc

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okay every single mod has posted here since my orignal post and still no response from he who banned, js
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Use the General Discussion/Pit forum on mx.
1) I've been on the review site for over a year now (about 90% of the people on the review site don't even touch the forums), sue me for being interested in what these guys think about something other than music, and wanting (and succeeding, until you got trigger happy) to have a good discussion about it. What a fucked up idea, huh?

2) I don't know a single person who posts on the forums and really don't feel like integrating myself into a new community instead of having an afternoon's worth of discussion with people whose opinions I might actually give a shit about. That's a pretty dumb suggestion.

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Yeah. Fav/least fav sputnikers? Yup. Recent breakups? Yup. Obvious trolling? Yup. List about the upcoming basketball season? THIS IZ OFFENZIFE N UNAXEPTIBEL!!!

Give me a fucking break.

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if you make a modicum of effort to include music on your list 99% of the time we will let it stand because who cares.
Look at that, the bottom line of this useless ticky-tack garbage.

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Yeah, having some NBA discussion was totally inappropriate and blatantly offensive. What a joke.

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I don't treat it like facebook. Not many of us do. I don't think you're 'meanies' for enforcing an incredibly bullshit little rule like this, I think you're either just stupid or honestly don't have a single better thing to do with yourself than nix anything that isn't music related, no matter how interesting or discussion-worthy it is, for no reason at all other than to do it.

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Lists appear on the front page and are seen by all comers.
So fucking what. Any 'comer' who's turned off or offended by the existence of a basketball list instead of a generic music one that's been made a million times before, not only doesn't have an opinion worth considering, but should also probably be shot in the head for being a nazi cuntrag.

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We don't let you review your breakfast or math teacher either so let's be reasonable.
Obvious non-sequitor.

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I have an idea maybe you should get some friends and talk to them about basketball.

Or go to a basketball website if that's too much hassle :O
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1) I've been on the review site for over a year now (about 90% of the people on the review site don't even touch the forums), sue me for being interested in what these guys think about something other than music, and wanting (and succeeding, until you got trigger happy) to have a good discussion about it. What a fucked up idea, huh?

2) I don't know a single person who posts on the forums and really don't feel like integrating myself into a new community instead of having an afternoon's worth of discussion with people whose opinions I might actually give a shit about. That's a pretty dumb suggestion.



Yeah. Fav/least fav sputnikers? Yup. Recent breakups? Yup. Obvious trolling? Yup. List about the upcoming basketball season? THIS IZ OFFENZIFE N UNAXEPTIBEL!!!

Give me a fucking break.



Look at that, the bottom line of this useless ticky-tack garbage.



Yeah, having some NBA discussion was totally inappropriate and blatantly offensive. What a joke.



I don't treat it like facebook. Not many of us do. I don't think you're 'meanies' for enforcing an incredibly bullshit little rule like this, I think you're either just stupid or honestly don't have a single better thing to do with yourself than nix anything that isn't music related, no matter how interesting or discussion-worthy it is, for no reason at all other than to do it.



So fucking what. Any 'comer' who's turned off or offended by the existence of a basketball list instead of a generic music one that's been made a million times before, not only doesn't have an opinion worth considering, but should also probably be shot in the head for being a nazi cuntrag.



Obvious non-sequitor.
SPUTNIKMUSIC.

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You continue to miss the entire point which is that if you had said basically anything other than "these aren't digs just random shit so this list doesn't get deleted" or however your sharp mind constructed that quip, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Try harder.
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You have no answer for what I said, so just throw up 'SPUTNIKMUSIC'. Very typical moderation.

That 'quip' is irrelevant, since the whole idea of the list getting deleted because it doesn't feature music as it's central premise is pure BS, for reasons I've already said. I'm guessing that you know that though, otherwise you'd actually bother refuting what I said, instead of just going 'BECUZ I SED SO' like your average smug mod with no life and a happy trigger finger.

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There's some random album here listed as other with one rating.

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Bring-Me-The-Horizon/2346/
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It's not that your list was the worst thing ever (I didn't see it but from what I've read it wasn't pure evil).
Basketball discussion isn't often pure evil.

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What do you mean by 'policing'? Pure music discussion is just as likely to boil over into WW3 as anything else we're likely to talk about on there, be it personal shit or politics or sports or whatever. If anything music is the most flammable topic, since everyone joined there in the first place because they're passionate about music. I can understand keeping porn and shit off the site though in the interest of decency, but filtering out everyday topics just for the hell of it is so pointless.

Having the 'start with a music list and talk about whatever you want after' makes absolutely zero sense to me, especially since morrissey canned my list that DID have music on it (just not my favorites, the 'quip' she's dryhumping was tongue-in-cheek and a response to other shit getting deleted) and talked about something entirely different in the comments section. I really don't know why you'd bother enforcing that, since the music on the list isn't being discussed at all, even though it's apparently the most important thing to you guys.

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For who? For what? What is the point of all this? What 'standard' needs to be upheld? Are people actually going to be turned off by non music discussion in a user created list? If they are, as I said, they probably don't have an opinion worth much, if anything.

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You seem to have some mental block on the word "music".
And you guys have a mental block on the idea of a 'community'. When you post with the same general group of people for over a year, you tend to be curious about what they think about other stuff. Sue me.

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Nice try, but I'm already registered on a basketball website. I would strictly keep it there, but as I said, I'm interested in what people here think about it as well. You know, the review site people, the ones I actually interact with. Not the forum people, which are total strangers to me. We actually did have a perfectly civil, decent discussion going until you canned it for no reason other than to uphold some ridiculous 'standard'.

The fact that this is an issue with you guys just blows my mind.
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