Cymbal & Head Finder Thread - Page 2

bobby__johnny · 07-14-2009, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysostom

Would a Sabian AAX Stage Ride be a suitable cymbal for heavy rock/prog, because it's a medium weight cymbal rather than a heavy one, so I'm not sure? Could it stand the somewhat harder hitting that being heard at rock music volumes requires?

well, its a ride. if your beating the hell out of that to get it to project... then damn....

it will be fine.

Chrysostom · 07-14-2009, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobby__johnny

well, its a ride. if your beating the hell out of that to get it to project... then damn....

it will be fine.

Oh I'd never really smack a cymbal. When I talk of harder hitting I mean hard compared to say, small combo jazz. I was worried about whether it would cut through the higher volumes, since most of the "properly" rock/metal rides Sabian do seem to be heavy weight things with raised profiles and bells. I'm glad you think it'll be ok though, because AAX Stage Rides have a bell to die for.

Rukhu · 07-15-2009, 02:53 AM

So I recently cracked my 15" AAXplosion crash (don't ask me how) and I'm looking for a replacement. My other crashes include a 16" HH and an 18" Paiste signature full crash. I'm currently in a post-rockish/indie band and would like something warmer in tone than the AAX but also something that will compliment the other two crashes.

I'm also looking at replacing 22" Paiste Reflector ride. Something that suits post-rock a bit better is what I'm after. So more mellow/warmer, ability to ride on it etc. Any suggestions are appreciated

Aaron · 07-15-2009, 05:37 AM

I'd look at something that can replace both of those [the crash and the ride].
Maybe a 20" K Ride or K Crash-Ride?

bobby__johnny · 07-17-2009, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rukhu

So I recently cracked my 15" AAXplosion crash (don't ask me how) and I'm looking for a replacement. My other crashes include a 16" HH and an 18" Paiste signature full crash. I'm currently in a post-rockish/indie band and would like something warmer in tone than the AAX but also something that will compliment the other two crashes.

I'm also looking at replacing 22" Paiste Reflector ride. Something that suits post-rock a bit better is what I'm after. So more mellow/warmer, ability to ride on it etc. Any suggestions are appreciated

for the crash, look into something like an HHXplosion, it would give you the same character as the AAX, but would be warmer in tone.

Aaron · 07-21-2009, 09:06 PM

Alright, I'm looking to buy a new Zildjian K or K Custom Crash to add to my setup [can get a few of the models from this line at a discount], this is is what I've narrowed it down to between:

1 - 18" K Custom Session Crash
2 - 18" K Custom Medium-Thin Dark Crash
3 - 17" K Custom Medium-Thin Dark Crash

It's to pair with these [for a piano/drum duo]:
06" Meinl Byzance Splash
10" Istanbul Traditional Splash
13" K/Z Hats
16" K Custom Special Dry Crash
22" K Heavy Ride
20" Wuhan Medium-Thin Traditonal Ride

What you think? The Session can be rided, which means I could remove the Wuhan from my setup but is heavier in feel to the Dark Crashes.

Aaron · 07-23-2009, 09:11 PM

Well I went back for the third time today to try them and decided to buy the 18" Session and layby the 18" Dark Crash.

Static · 07-23-2009, 11:03 PM

Oi mate I approve ehehehe!

FL3P · 08-09-2009, 08:20 PM

I have one for you ride experts. I currently have an A Custom Medium ride and would like something similar but with a bit more ping. I have tried it against a Sabian Vault ride and they were nearly identical. I was thinking that maybe the AAX Stage ride might do the trick but I'm new to Sabian stuff..........but some recent experience has me leaning that way.

fishbulb · 08-09-2009, 09:07 PM

I believe there is an A Custom Ping ride (perhaps normal A, i'm not sure) that maybe you should try out.

For lots of ping you could try the Paiste 2002 Heavy Ride. I have the 20" version and it is very nice. Great stick definition, cutting and pretty sounding ping along with a beast of a bell. Check massmusic.net for a great deal on one ($220ish if i recall correctly).

I'm going out on a limb on this one, but check if there is an A Custom Heavy ride. If there it could be right up your alley.

EDIT: I checked massmusic for the heavy ride and it turns out that they hugely up'd the price of it to $280.

FL3P · 08-10-2009, 05:30 AM

I didn't know there was an A Custom heavy ride but I'll check it out. I still want some nice wash so I don't want to go too heavy, just looking for the next step up in "ping".

Thanks

Aaron · 08-14-2009, 03:44 AM

I don't think they exist. The 21" A Custom Ping is great and does what you describe. I've got a 22" K Heavy Ride which I think is amazing. Check them out if you can.

MW drummer · 08-21-2009, 04:26 PM

Hey guys im new to the forums and i am looking for a crash cymbal to compliment K light hi hats, a k custom 16'' fast crash, 14'' zbt crash, 18'' zbt crash ride, and 10'' wuhan splash, 14 '' aquarian china. im looking for a crash cymbal to compliment those and im wondering if u guys could throw me some suggestions on a cymbal or two.
thanks

Seafroggys · 08-21-2009, 05:33 PM

Wow, you have a mix of decent cymbals and crap cymbals. Its really hard to get something that compliments all of them when they don't even compliment each other (K's and ZBT's? opposite end of the spectrum right there)

Its best to shoot for a sound you want, and replace what you have (namely the ZBT's) and then go from there.

MW drummer · 08-22-2009, 12:08 AM

yea i know i got two bad cymbals but thats why im getting rid of the zbt crash with the purchase of this new crash.

Seafroggys · 08-22-2009, 12:24 AM

What you need first is a new ride. If you want to stay in the K or K Custom realm, I'd recommend a K Heavy Ride. That's my second favorite ride, after the A Ping.

fishbulb · 08-23-2009, 10:42 AM

I second the motion of a new ride.

Much more needed than a new crash since you already have a nice K Custom.

Permanent Solution · 09-07-2009, 05:44 PM

For those who don't recall, current setup includes:
Fusion-sized Yamaha Stage Custom Advantage
13" Yamaha Musashi Snare
13" Pearl Piccolo Snare
K Custom Hybrid hats
14" AA Rock hats
17" Vault crash
19" AAXplosion crash
12" Wuhan China
18" Wuhan China
20" A Custom Projection Ride

Recently broke the Wuhan crash, and looking to replace it. Any ideas one what would fit well in there? Never done extensive splash shopping, so I'm not well-versed on the range of sounds to expect, and unfortunately my local shop has a pitiful collection of splashes currently.

Additionally, I'm looking to re-head all of my drums before the studio next month. Typically I've gone with coated single ply over clear single ply on toms, "dot" over hazy 300's on the snares, and bass has been powerstroke in the past, and is currently a superkick I which I like less, but may have tuned poorly. Reso is stock. My band plays more hard rock/pop punk music, so if there's something more fitting to that style, I might want to move to those for the recordings.

Finally, where is the best place to shop for stuff nowadays? Guitar Center? Musicians Friend? Massmusic?

FL3P · 09-10-2009, 11:10 AM

I would think that for rock/ pop some clear Emperors would give you a good sound. That way you get some low end and some attack which is what most rock drummers want. You may want to try one out first to see. As far as the crash goes, what do you think you want that the other two crashes don't offer?

Permanent Solution · 09-10-2009, 01:58 PM

Sounds good, I'll see if I can get a hold of some emperors.

Typo there initially, sorry. Looking for a splash, not a crash. My crashes are everything a man could want

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07-15-2009, 02:53 AM	#23
Rukhu You Already Did Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1	So I recently cracked my 15" AAXplosion crash (don't ask me how) and I'm looking for a replacement. My other crashes include a 16" HH and an 18" Paiste signature full crash. I'm currently in a post-rockish/indie band and would like something warmer in tone than the AAX but also something that will compliment the other two crashes. I'm also looking at replacing 22" Paiste Reflector ride. Something that suits post-rock a bit better is what I'm after. So more mellow/warmer, ability to ride on it etc. Any suggestions are appreciated

07-15-2009, 05:37 AM	#24
Aaron Max Headroom Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ride The Wave Posts: 32,855	I'd look at something that can replace both of those [the crash and the ride]. Maybe a 20" K Ride or K Crash-Ride?

07-21-2009, 09:06 PM	#26
Aaron Max Headroom Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ride The Wave Posts: 32,855	Alright, I'm looking to buy a new Zildjian K or K Custom Crash to add to my setup [can get a few of the models from this line at a discount], this is is what I've narrowed it down to between: 1 - 18" K Custom Session Crash 2 - 18" K Custom Medium-Thin Dark Crash 3 - 17" K Custom Medium-Thin Dark Crash It's to pair with these [for a piano/drum duo]: 06" Meinl Byzance Splash 10" Istanbul Traditional Splash 13" K/Z Hats 16" K Custom Special Dry Crash 22" K Heavy Ride 20" Wuhan Medium-Thin Traditonal Ride What you think? The Session can be rided, which means I could remove the Wuhan from my setup but is heavier in feel to the Dark Crashes.

07-23-2009, 09:11 PM	#27
Aaron Max Headroom Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ride The Wave Posts: 32,855	Well I went back for the third time today to try them and decided to buy the 18" Session and layby the 18" Dark Crash.

07-23-2009, 11:03 PM	#28
Static ^_______________________^ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: ^_______________________^ Posts: 14,871	Oi mate I approve ehehehe!

08-09-2009, 08:20 PM	#29
FL3P MXDP Over 30 Club Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Chatham, ON, Canada Posts: 2,991	I have one for you ride experts. I currently have an A Custom Medium ride and would like something similar but with a bit more ping. I have tried it against a Sabian Vault ride and they were nearly identical. I was thinking that maybe the AAX Stage ride might do the trick but I'm new to Sabian stuff..........but some recent experience has me leaning that way.

08-09-2009, 09:07 PM	#30
fishbulb Beck - Sea Change Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 11,077	I believe there is an A Custom Ping ride (perhaps normal A, i'm not sure) that maybe you should try out. For lots of ping you could try the Paiste 2002 Heavy Ride. I have the 20" version and it is very nice. Great stick definition, cutting and pretty sounding ping along with a beast of a bell. Check massmusic.net for a great deal on one ($220ish if i recall correctly). I'm going out on a limb on this one, but check if there is an A Custom Heavy ride. If there it could be right up your alley. EDIT: I checked massmusic for the heavy ride and it turns out that they hugely up'd the price of it to $280.

08-10-2009, 05:30 AM	#31
FL3P MXDP Over 30 Club Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Chatham, ON, Canada Posts: 2,991	I didn't know there was an A Custom heavy ride but I'll check it out. I still want some nice wash so I don't want to go too heavy, just looking for the next step up in "ping". Thanks

08-14-2009, 03:44 AM	#32
Aaron Max Headroom Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ride The Wave Posts: 32,855	I don't think they exist. The 21" A Custom Ping is great and does what you describe. I've got a 22" K Heavy Ride which I think is amazing. Check them out if you can.

08-21-2009, 04:26 PM	#33
MW drummer Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5	Hey guys im new to the forums and i am looking for a crash cymbal to compliment K light hi hats, a k custom 16'' fast crash, 14'' zbt crash, 18'' zbt crash ride, and 10'' wuhan splash, 14 '' aquarian china. im looking for a crash cymbal to compliment those and im wondering if u guys could throw me some suggestions on a cymbal or two. thanks

08-21-2009, 05:33 PM	#34
Seafroggys Truffula Hugger Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Edge of Nowhere Posts: 16,591	Wow, you have a mix of decent cymbals and crap cymbals. Its really hard to get something that compliments all of them when they don't even compliment each other (K's and ZBT's? opposite end of the spectrum right there) Its best to shoot for a sound you want, and replace what you have (namely the ZBT's) and then go from there.

08-22-2009, 12:08 AM	#35
MW drummer Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5	yea i know i got two bad cymbals but thats why im getting rid of the zbt crash with the purchase of this new crash.

08-22-2009, 12:24 AM	#36
Seafroggys Truffula Hugger Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Edge of Nowhere Posts: 16,591	What you need first is a new ride. If you want to stay in the K or K Custom realm, I'd recommend a K Heavy Ride. That's my second favorite ride, after the A Ping.

08-23-2009, 10:42 AM	#37
fishbulb Beck - Sea Change Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 11,077	I second the motion of a new ride. Much more needed than a new crash since you already have a nice K Custom.

09-07-2009, 05:44 PM	#38
Permanent Solution Feb. PPOTM \m/ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a theater near you Posts: 42,469	For those who don't recall, current setup includes: Fusion-sized Yamaha Stage Custom Advantage 13" Yamaha Musashi Snare 13" Pearl Piccolo Snare K Custom Hybrid hats 14" AA Rock hats 17" Vault crash 19" AAXplosion crash 12" Wuhan China 18" Wuhan China 20" A Custom Projection Ride Recently broke the Wuhan crash, and looking to replace it. Any ideas one what would fit well in there? Never done extensive splash shopping, so I'm not well-versed on the range of sounds to expect, and unfortunately my local shop has a pitiful collection of splashes currently. Additionally, I'm looking to re-head all of my drums before the studio next month. Typically I've gone with coated single ply over clear single ply on toms, "dot" over hazy 300's on the snares, and bass has been powerstroke in the past, and is currently a superkick I which I like less, but may have tuned poorly. Reso is stock. My band plays more hard rock/pop punk music, so if there's something more fitting to that style, I might want to move to those for the recordings. Finally, where is the best place to shop for stuff nowadays? Guitar Center? Musicians Friend? Massmusic?

09-10-2009, 11:10 AM	#39
FL3P MXDP Over 30 Club Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Chatham, ON, Canada Posts: 2,991	I would think that for rock/ pop some clear Emperors would give you a good sound. That way you get some low end and some attack which is what most rock drummers want. You may want to try one out first to see. As far as the crash goes, what do you think you want that the other two crashes don't offer?

09-10-2009, 01:58 PM	#40
Permanent Solution Feb. PPOTM \m/ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a theater near you Posts: 42,469	Sounds good, I'll see if I can get a hold of some emperors. Typo there initially, sorry. Looking for a splash, not a crash. My crashes are everything a man could want