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Old 03-18-2009, 08:30 PM   #1
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:56 AM   #2
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*wanders into forum for the first time in months*

Where's the old one? :P

My kit has a Sabian Xs20 pack (14" Hats, 16" Crash and 20" Ride), I'm looking to expand with a second crash and a splash.

Crash - between the 2 crashes, I want to be able to play one (i.e. not just for accents); I play in a Church band and play a lot of Hillsong United stuff. Options are either get a 18" Crash-Ride, or get a 14" for accents and use the existing 16" for playing.

Splash - 8" or 10", don't mind, though having briefly visited my local drum shop earlier (before I came home from uni so I can't go back easily), 10" don't sound splashy enough for my liking.

So, the questions I have are...

What cymbals go well with the ones I have? I don't want the cymbals to sound out of place, I don't want a flat-sounding splash and I don't want the new crash to be a carbon-copy of my current one sound-wise. What to stay clear of?

I'm a cheap-skate and using eBay, and atm there are Paiste PST5 8" and 10" Splashes ending soon (20-25 each). I have no idea if it will work well if my existing kit, and don't know if it's splashy enough. There's also a AAX 10" and a K 10".

My local drum shop also has some cheap new Stagg cymbals. Can't remember the line, again which ones are good, which are bad, or should I avoid them all-together?

Budget = under 100 on eBay for the two.
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:38 PM   #3
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Whats the difference between HHX Power, Studio, X-plosion and Rock crashes?

Im assuming Studio is the thinest.. but where does it go from there?

Im going to be playing big band jazz to new age pop/rock with this new band im joining and i need some hella sick crash cymbals.
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:39 PM   #4
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Whats the difference between HHX Power, Studio, X-plosion and Rock crashes?

Im assuming Studio is the thinest.. but where does it go from there?

Im going to be playing big band jazz to new age pop/rock with this new band im joining and i need some hella sick crash cymbals.
power=heavy
studio=thin
xplosion=med. thin
rock=med heavy

stage crashes from hhx are medium but from aax are medium thin.

im pretty sure thats the way it goes.
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Old 04-03-2009, 08:49 AM   #5
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oi. never thought i'd see the thread die /mourn
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Old 04-03-2009, 03:28 PM   #6
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well due to the activity of these forums, its probably fairly easy to keep your thread on the front page
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Old 04-14-2009, 06:18 PM   #7
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Hey,
I'm looking for a pair of hi-hats that would go good with my A Custom 18" Medium Crash (I love that cymbal, it's great). I need something that sounds good for rock/punk music. I'm a Zildjian whore, so only recommend Zildjian cymbals. Price is not really an issue
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Old 04-14-2009, 06:30 PM   #8
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14" New Beats.
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Old 04-14-2009, 07:01 PM   #9
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14" New Beats.
Thanks. I was playing those at the music store and i liked them, and now coming as a suggestion, i'll take them! thanks
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:34 AM   #10
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Zildian A/A Custom Mastersounds or just regular A Customs
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Old 05-23-2009, 11:18 AM   #11
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I'm thinking of getting some new hi-hiats and I would like something thats crisp but not too loud. I've been thinking of getting some Sabian 13'' APX. Any other ideas?
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Old 05-23-2009, 11:36 AM   #12
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APX would be too loud, surely?

Try 13" AAX-celerators.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:31 PM   #13
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Ya, that was the only thing I had against the APX. What's the the price difference like though?
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:20 PM   #14
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Wouldn't know, I assume they're around a similar price.
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:15 PM   #15
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What do you guys know about using like a coated ambassador as a reso head?
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:48 PM   #16
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I don't know why i'm so retarded when it comes to drumheads but i can't decide on what heads would be best for me. I've read through the drum bible countless times and still can't come to a consensus.

I have a 14" x 5.5" Pork Pie Piglite acryllic snare that i'm going to be using for recording. I like a tight crack out of my snare drums but i also like some body with it. This leads me to an Remo Emperor over a Diplomat or Ambassador (a.k.a. single ply muffled over thin or medium resos).

I always have problems with sympathetic vibrations with the snare drum and i can never seem to tune them out. Would choice of heads aid in the removal of unwanted snare buzz?

Thankyou guys and once again sorry for my retardation.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:04 AM   #17
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For that snare I'd get the CS Dot Reverse over and ambassador snare side.
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:02 PM   #18
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Would a Sabian AAX Stage Ride be a suitable cymbal for heavy rock/prog, because it's a medium weight cymbal rather than a heavy one, so I'm not sure? Could it stand the somewhat harder hitting that being heard at rock music volumes requires?
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For that snare I'd get the CS Dot Reverse over and ambassador snare side.
That does look like exactly what i want but i'm getting them in evans since the rest of my heads are evans and i have OCD.
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That does look like exactly what i want but i'm getting them in evans since the rest of my heads are evans and i have OCD.
Heh, that's cool man. I have that two. I have to switch all my hardware to DW, cymbals to Zildjian.(unless I have a set of paiste/zildjian etc seperate) and same with heads etc. And drums FVF Customs! But smooth mate
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Old 07-14-2009, 08:23 AM   #21
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Would a Sabian AAX Stage Ride be a suitable cymbal for heavy rock/prog, because it's a medium weight cymbal rather than a heavy one, so I'm not sure? Could it stand the somewhat harder hitting that being heard at rock music volumes requires?
well, its a ride. if your beating the hell out of that to get it to project... then damn....

it will be fine.
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well, its a ride. if your beating the hell out of that to get it to project... then damn....

it will be fine.
Oh I'd never really smack a cymbal. When I talk of harder hitting I mean hard compared to say, small combo jazz. I was worried about whether it would cut through the higher volumes, since most of the "properly" rock/metal rides Sabian do seem to be heavy weight things with raised profiles and bells. I'm glad you think it'll be ok though, because AAX Stage Rides have a bell to die for.
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Old 07-15-2009, 02:53 AM   #23
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So I recently cracked my 15" AAXplosion crash (don't ask me how) and I'm looking for a replacement. My other crashes include a 16" HH and an 18" Paiste signature full crash. I'm currently in a post-rockish/indie band and would like something warmer in tone than the AAX but also something that will compliment the other two crashes.

I'm also looking at replacing 22" Paiste Reflector ride. Something that suits post-rock a bit better is what I'm after. So more mellow/warmer, ability to ride on it etc. Any suggestions are appreciated
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I'd look at something that can replace both of those [the crash and the ride].
Maybe a 20" K Ride or K Crash-Ride?
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So I recently cracked my 15" AAXplosion crash (don't ask me how) and I'm looking for a replacement. My other crashes include a 16" HH and an 18" Paiste signature full crash. I'm currently in a post-rockish/indie band and would like something warmer in tone than the AAX but also something that will compliment the other two crashes.

I'm also looking at replacing 22" Paiste Reflector ride. Something that suits post-rock a bit better is what I'm after. So more mellow/warmer, ability to ride on it etc. Any suggestions are appreciated
for the crash, look into something like an HHXplosion, it would give you the same character as the AAX, but would be warmer in tone.
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Old 07-21-2009, 09:06 PM   #26
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Alright, I'm looking to buy a new Zildjian K or K Custom Crash to add to my setup [can get a few of the models from this line at a discount], this is is what I've narrowed it down to between:

1 - 18" K Custom Session Crash
2 - 18" K Custom Medium-Thin Dark Crash
3 - 17" K Custom Medium-Thin Dark Crash

It's to pair with these [for a piano/drum duo]:
06" Meinl Byzance Splash
10" Istanbul Traditional Splash
13" K/Z Hats
16" K Custom Special Dry Crash
22" K Heavy Ride
20" Wuhan Medium-Thin Traditonal Ride

What you think? The Session can be rided, which means I could remove the Wuhan from my setup but is heavier in feel to the Dark Crashes.
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Well I went back for the third time today to try them and decided to buy the 18" Session and layby the 18" Dark Crash.
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:20 PM   #29
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I have one for you ride experts. I currently have an A Custom Medium ride and would like something similar but with a bit more ping. I have tried it against a Sabian Vault ride and they were nearly identical. I was thinking that maybe the AAX Stage ride might do the trick but I'm new to Sabian stuff..........but some recent experience has me leaning that way.
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I believe there is an A Custom Ping ride (perhaps normal A, i'm not sure) that maybe you should try out.

For lots of ping you could try the Paiste 2002 Heavy Ride. I have the 20" version and it is very nice. Great stick definition, cutting and pretty sounding ping along with a beast of a bell. Check massmusic.net for a great deal on one ($220ish if i recall correctly).

I'm going out on a limb on this one, but check if there is an A Custom Heavy ride. If there it could be right up your alley.

EDIT: I checked massmusic for the heavy ride and it turns out that they hugely up'd the price of it to $280.
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