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Old 03-16-2009, 08:05 AM   #31
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Yeah. Really looking forward to some fun international tests this year.
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Old 03-16-2009, 12:38 PM   #32
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i can't believe i missed this thread

its the usual thing of ireland peaking too soon while everyone else is building for the world cup unless kidney is different to the other dopes that had great talent and no balls
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:17 PM   #33
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It's pretty simple though innit, competition against better opponents forces your team to get better. Italy now have many players in top level leagues, and their forwards are great. Castrogiovanni for example, is one of the best props out there. (I am a Tigers fan though)
My point is that this doesn't appear to be happening. I don't really know how bad Italy were before they joined the Six Nations, I spose.

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its the usual thing of ireland peaking too soon while everyone else is building for the world cup unless kidney is different to the other dopes that had great talent and no balls
Hahaha, you think you have it bad.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:23 PM   #34
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You can't have been watching rugby that long to think Italy haven't improved. Since joining the 6 nations they've made an observable improvement each year. The very fact that they're able to compete and in some cases dominate in the forwards is a marker of how much progress they've made. Their backs are weak, but McLean is a good prospect and with time more Italian backs will make their way into the better leagues. It all filters down.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:39 PM   #35
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To get the Six Nations I have to pay extra on an already bloated Sky bill so I just watch the news instead. It's much more difficult to tell who's got magic in the backline let alone who's winning in the deeper mysteries of the forward pack when pretty much all they tell you is a scoreline.

I am forced to judge European teams on how they perform against us and 70-0 doesn't leave me much inspired about Italy's ability.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:42 PM   #36
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Aaaaah that's a shame, it's always been on terrestrial (free to everyone) TV in the UK, one of the great things about it.

Trust me though, they've improved vastly over the past 7-8 years.
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:12 PM   #37
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It already has, Wales were widely acknowledged as the favourites for this year's tournament! Ireland have had a solid team for a long time now. It all comes from culture, a strong culture of rugby in the youth means more promising talents are brought on.

And Brian Moore is way worse than Jerry Guscott to listen to!
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:29 PM   #38
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Still possible if Gatland hadn't put out the wank squad he did against Italy! Why he didn't just put out a good squad and put on reserve players after we'd closed up the points deficit I do not know.

Well I think we need to beat Ireland by 21 points or something to win.
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:38 PM   #39
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That's bull, teams regard it as a massive achievement to win the championship, it's the most important thing unless it's a world cup year! Say, if Ireland get a penalty t hat they could kick to touch and go for a try, or kick the penalty, win the tournament but lose the game, in the 75th minute, they'd take the penalty for sure.
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slam, unless of course you only lost to italy
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:57 PM   #41
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If it was a choice between grand slam and championship, they'd go for the slam no question.
Depends how the game is going and the mentality of the team. I guarantee you that they do not regard the whole thing as meaningless unless they win the grand slam, you obviously haven't been watching it for that long or you wouldn't see the passion they play with to win the championship.
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why i oughta

You seriously are underestimating the importance of winning the championship though.
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Old 03-16-2009, 06:13 PM   #43
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Wales will play for the 13 points no matter what. What have they got to lose? The triple crown but that's more of a boasting thing than anything else.

Ireland however, will have the championship to lose. If they're losing by say, 8 points with 10 minutes to go, and they get a penalty, they'll kick it to put Wales out of try scoring range of the the championship. Plus that's the sensible option anyway I guess but you get my point.

Of course it's less meaningful, but it's still a huge thing to win like innit
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Well if Wales are within championship winning range, they're winning the match anyway.
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Ooooooh no no no, they'll be playing for the 13 points.
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Old 03-16-2009, 06:24 PM   #46
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If you offered him a 1 point win tonight, he'd say "I'll take my chances this weekend thanks". What kind of moronic coach would willingly lose the championship?

Trust me, they'll be going for the 13 points. Why not?
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Old 03-16-2009, 07:29 PM   #47
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Stoked for the final week. I hope I can get my Setanta subscription through in time.
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Old 03-16-2009, 07:31 PM   #48
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Cos it's unrealistic!
Hahahha. I dunno if it's likely but it's hardly unrealistic. Ireland can't really be accused of consistent high level performances, even if this is the best team they've had in 7 years or whatever it is. If Wales play well and Ireland play average, 13 points is perfectly conceivable. But it's just as likely to go against Wales as for them so I'm not gonna make any predictions.
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Old 03-16-2009, 07:37 PM   #49
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You should probably steal cable like everyone else.
Haha, I don't even know how to steal cable in this day and age.
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Old 03-16-2009, 07:49 PM   #50
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I think this Wales v Ireland game has a wealth of possibilities. Depending on form on the day we could see either side trounce the other, or a brutal grind coming down to a point or two in the difference. I certainly hope we see both teams going top flight.
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Old 03-17-2009, 08:04 AM   #51
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Cos it's unrealistic!
Yeah so in the dressing room the message will be "Look boys, you're not really good enough to win by more than 13, so you may as well just try to win by like, 5 or something? Alright GO GET EM"

It's a 2 try deficit, we can make it. Either you're overestimating Ireland or underestimating Wales. Don't forget that it was a squad with 9 reserve players against Italy. (which was a mistake)

Plus Ireland didn't win comfortably against Scotland at all, it was a battle
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Haha, your post there reminds me of this.

http://xkcd.com/544/
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Old 03-18-2009, 09:36 AM   #53
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ok, heres the deal

wales will win the first half, maybe even by a couple of tries. if ireland do a good job then wales might go in by a penatly or two. ireland will soak it up for the first 15 to 20 mins of the second half and then pound wales flat running out easy winners, tight on the scoreline, tactically way ahead. on the back of this o'driscoll will be asked to captain the lions tour and he will retire before the world cup in 2011
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:06 AM   #54
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bleh, what a self defeating position to put yourself in

don't play to deny someone else victory, play to WIN

edit: although, having read that longer part, it seems like he's just trying to play it down. get the victory then see where we are doesn't apply at 75 minutes etc

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Old 03-18-2009, 10:51 AM   #55
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the irish boys had a couple of beers after the scottish game, flew back the same day, trained for the next two days, had a day off, fly out tomorrow and will be ready for they game.

its in the bag, kidney will make sure of that, he knows the squad has been under utilised during o'sullivan's reign and has set about rectifying that immediately.

these lads are playing for the lions tour as some will retire from international rugby before the world cup. they have realistic expectations.

poor old gatland obviously gone and done a benitez on it.
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:58 AM   #56
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lets hope ireland are united then eh?
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lets hope ireland are united then eh?
win
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:43 AM   #58
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Nah, I want them to lose 4 tries to 1!
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Still, 4 tries to 1 would suit me!
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