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Conventional Participation 4 20.00%
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:17 PM   #1
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Conventional Vs. Unconventional Participation in Government

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Conventional Participation - Voting; donating your time, money to a campaign; running for office; writing a letter to a politician; etc..

Unconventional Participation - usually negative; example: protesting

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Old 04-07-2008, 07:21 PM   #2
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Unconventional... Nothing like a little hostage taking to get what you want...
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:25 PM   #3
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Unconventional is usually the only way any sort of change ever gets brought about. Even if it ends up being done through conventional channels, it's usually because somebody brought it up in an unconventional manner to start it off.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:31 PM   #4
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Unconventional. Being original works well in nearly any scenario. Effective could mean many things though, and a conservative would prefer conventional methods because they don't want to see drastic change. I like change so I'll go with unconventional
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:36 PM   #5
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Well unconventional generally works better, history will show us, although I think that is changing. These days, if somebody with enough power and money wants to get something done, no matter how many votes are cast, no matter how many hippies hold up signs, it will probably get done.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:47 PM   #6
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Both have their place in a liberal democracy.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:28 PM   #7
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Unconventional. Without violence (hopefully).
What will get you noticed faster? Writing a letter to your representative, or organizing and conducting a protest?
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:37 PM   #8
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Both have their place in a liberal democracy.
This, basically. I don't see this as an either/or at all.
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:18 PM   #9
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I'll say conventional.

Unconventional may have a more profound impact the various times it is used. The more often it is used, I think the more resistant the majority will become to it. Sometime a push is needed, but if pushed too far...
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:19 PM   #10
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Both, but voted unconventional.
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:27 PM   #11
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conventional

im so anti-assimilating, i assimilate to anti-assimilate from the anti-assimilationists
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Old 04-08-2008, 05:22 AM   #12
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You need a strong mix of both.

People who use the system as it is and rely on it and those who cannot rely on the system and protest.

A good example of that is conventional means were recently used here in New York City to fight the Conjestion Pricing Plan, which in effect would have crippled the middle class of this city yet again to pay for MTA's budget woes under the guise of "improving the environment" by forcing ALL vehicles to pay an 8 dollar fee to enter NYC from any other borough including NJ.

Local politicians listened to their people and borough presidents fought the Mayor and won a big fight for the little people. Protesters peacefully gathered as well, the day of the vote, outside city hall and the plan was shut down indefinitely.

I was proud of my city's ability to do the job using a good mix of both. This is why, to me, local politics is sometimes more important then national politics. People underestimate their responsibility to the state and city of which they are a member.

I find it no great oddity that I voted conventional and will probably be the only one to do so.

Which begs the question of how many of you Americans who voted have actually ever tried any conventional means of participation in your community? I bet none. I've been involved for years and conventional means do work. People just have to try and of course, if a good guy is there, things will get done.

EDIT: This is also where I've learned to hate Hillary Clinton as a Senator of NY. She sucks.

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Old 04-08-2008, 05:56 AM   #13
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Anyone who thinks that the answer isn't both needs to take a politics class.

Seriously. Terrible question. Terrible answer from anyone who actually chose one over the other.
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Old 04-08-2008, 06:30 AM   #14
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Anyone who thinks that the answer isn't both needs to take a politics class.

Seriously. Terrible question. Terrible answer from anyone who actually chose one over the other.
I agree, but the question was "Which is more effective?", meaning choose one over the other.
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Old 04-08-2008, 06:33 AM   #15
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Yes, that's entirely meaningless though.

The appropriate action is the one merited by circumstance.
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yeah

im with perpetual burn...all the people that have posted "unconvential" just sound like wannabe rebels

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Old 04-08-2008, 10:19 AM   #17
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im with perpetual burn...all the people that have posted "unconvential" just sound like wannabe rebels

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
Yeah because playing shows where people have to pay $300+ to see you is the way to start the revolution...
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Old 04-08-2008, 10:20 AM   #18
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Yeah because playing shows where people have to pay $300+ to see you is the way to start the revolution...
i hate rage against the machine, i was just making fun of those punx who like their revolutions and protests
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Yeah because playing shows where people have to pay $300+ to see you is the way to start the revolution...
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Yeah because playing shows where people have to pay $300+ to see you is the way to start the revolution...
Did you totally miss the point, or just feel like ragging on the band? (Though that would be fair - they deserve to be ragged on)
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Anyone who thinks that the answer isn't both needs to take a politics class.

Seriously. Terrible question. Terrible answer from anyone who actually chose one over the other.
This.
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Did you totally miss the point, or just feel like ragging on the band? (Though that would be fair - they deserve to be ragged on)
No I didn't miss the point, it was a joke. Bringing things down makes me feel better about myself.
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Old 04-08-2008, 03:12 PM   #23
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i'd prefer to live in an anarchy where we regard the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and we propose the cooperative and voluntary association of the individual and the group as the principal mode of organised society without the implication of disorder
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Anarchy makes me lol.
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Old 04-08-2008, 03:44 PM   #25
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how the hell is protesting unconventional?

and i picked unconventional, because i'm much more likely to get something changed if i use terrorism or something as opposed to voting
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It's "unconventional" in a purely technical sense.

Protests aren't within the normal guidelines or processes for policy making.
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i'd prefer to live in an anarchy where we regard the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and we propose the cooperative and voluntary association of the individual and the group as the principal mode of organised society without the implication of disorder
The fact that some people like to dominate others kind of implies we need an appropriate mechanism to prevent people from doing it wantonly.
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i'd prefer to live in an anarchy where we regard the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and we propose the cooperative and voluntary association of the individual and the group as the principal mode of organised society without the implication of disorder
I call my self an Anarchist, and even *I* don't believe that **** can work.
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Old 04-08-2008, 04:29 PM   #29
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It's hard for me to think people can co-operate without some kind of government.

We can't even come to agreement on the most basic of issues on this forum, nevermind through a community.
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Old 04-08-2008, 04:34 PM   #30
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It's pretty obvious that people's interests will from time to time conflict. At the very least we need a mechanism to regulate and adjudicate those situations. And I'd say it's preferable to have a level of certainty and clarity when it comes to what rules will govern those decisions. That's why laws can be pretty awesome sometimes.
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