WMD's Found In Iraq. Sorry left wingers.

~~The Real El Capitano~~ · 06-22-2006, 01:02 AM

Well, it looks like the the rug has been pulled out from under the democrats and almost the entire left, because WMD's have been found in Iraq, and it appears they were found years earlier than this report was released. Now the main point for most Bush-Basher's, the whole,"OMG HE LIED THERE WERE NO WEAPONS OMGZZZ!!!11!",is now factually incorrect. So all you left wing/democrats who LOVED that reason,and were so positive Busg lied,here's a fork, start eating your words.

Here's the story.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

06-22-2006, 01:05 AM

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The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.

Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."

Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

This isn't really taking much away from left-wingers.

~~The Real El Capitano~~ · 06-22-2006, 01:06 AM

But the point is that they were there,and Saddam told U.N. weapons inspectors that he had destroyed all of them. But yea I already heard Colmes trying to twist it to make it look like Bush was still lying. I know they'll just spin it to make it look like they weren't complete fools. But still.

Against Miik! · 06-22-2006, 01:10 AM

Bush is still a complete fool. And he played us for fools. The fact that he found any weapons at all is luck. And it still shows no proof of a continued WMD program, which Bush accused Saddam of having. So what. Saddam lied. That still doesn't prove that he was a threat. And no we are so caught up in Iraq, there are at least 3 other even greater threats that have snuck up on us. One of these threats is going to launch a missle God knows where. Thanks a lot George.

Does anybody remember how this whole thing actually started? We went into Iraq because Bush claimed Saddam had ties to al Qaeda. That was wrong. When he realized that this was wrong he moved onto WMDs. No WMDs were found. So now all of a sudden we are liberating the Iraqi people. So which one is it? Nobody knows. I guess whichever one suits him best at the moment.

And lets not forget that the link comes from Fox News. The same story released by the BBC will probably be about Bush choking on a piece of cake or something. The truth at least.

06-22-2006, 01:13 AM

Um, of course he was still lying. The weapons found do not compare to the claims made by our government for going to war.

They also weren't in useable conditions and from 1991, suggesting that they were either already partially destroyed or just scrapped and not in use.

If the cabinet knew about this and did not even mention it when war motives were questioned, that obviously suggest that it is not truly relevant evidence of the prominent chemical weapons production the US was suggesting at the time.

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And lets not forget that the link comes from Fox News. The same story released by the BBC will probably be about Bush choking on a piece of cake or something. The truth at least.

As soon as I saw "Rick Santorum" I pretty much gave up on it being a valid find.

~~The Real El Capitano~~ · 06-22-2006, 01:15 AM

If you're one of the people that think that the people didn't want to be liberated and that life was better under Saddam's regime, please, save it.Saddam killed and estimated 5 million people during his tenure, and tortured countless others during his time. I can't remember the name, but right after he was caught the History Channel did a special on his tortue methods and interviewed victims, where they described the unthinkable horrors the the endured,so, I think that was grounds enough for going in.j And ust because the article is from Fox news, doesn't mean it didn't happen.Don't try attacking the credibility or bias of a site in order to justify your point.

Edit: I believe the name was Horror's of Saddam.

Double Edit: This post wasn't to you Subtle.
And I'm sorry I made this thread when I would soon go to bed, but I did, so I bid you gentlemen fairwell for the night, and I will return tomorrow.

~~BassRevelation1029~~ · 06-22-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Real El Capitano

Well, it looks like the the rug has been pulled out from under the democrats and almost the entire left, because WMD's have been found in Iraq]

no shit chemical weapons were found-the U.S sold them to Iraq in their conflict with Iran. That wasnt the issue.
-Bush claimed Saddam was a threat, tied to al-qaeda. False
-The intelligence claimed Iraq received yellowcake (uranium substance) from Niger. That was false
-Bush claimed the Iraqis needed freedom from a tyrannical dictator. Why doesnt Sudan then? Why couldnt the Iraqi's do something about their own freedom if they wanted it?

Now the fools at the head of the government are stuck in that mess, killing civilians and trying to piece together 3 groups of people who absolutely despise each other greatly. Mistake to enter Iraq? I think so

edit: I suggest you and other war supporters watch the frontline episode which covered the intelligence. You'll see it was completely made up.

06-22-2006, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Real El Capitano

If you're one of the people that think that the people didn't want to be liberated and that life was better under Saddam's regime, please, save it.Saddam killed and estimated 5 million people during his tenure, and just because the article is from Fox news, doesn't mean it didn't happen.Don't try attacking the credibility or bias of a site in order to justify your point.

Regardless of Fox News, the story is obviously not relevant given the low credibility of the weapons found and the initial motives for war with Iraq.

Against Miik! · 06-22-2006, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Real El Capitano

If you're one of the people that think that the people didn't want to be liberated and that life was better under Saddam's regime, please, save it.Saddam killed and estimated 5 million people during his tenure, and just because the article is from Fox news, doesn't mean it didn't happen.Don't try attacking the credibility or bias of a site in order to justify your point.

I'm not saying the idea of a free Iraq is a bad thing. However, Bush has done every possible thing a person can do to fucck it up. He has had a personal vendetta against Saddam since before 9/11. You can tell how childish he is because he's still into the whole good guy/bad guy thing. So he went into Iraq disguising war mongering as a peaceful liberation. When the administration finally wised up and realized we have no business being there. Notice, when the war first began, there was very little mention of a free Iraq. This may be because they never planned on it, or they didn't have a plan. Well, we know they don't have a plan. Thats very apparent. Iraq is just as dangerous now as it was under Saddam. The infrastructre is a mess. We have done nothing to help these people.

And if you got this story from the NRA newsletter or some immigrant kid's 3rd grade report, I would attack the source. You cannot take seriously a network which houses the likes of Bill OReily and Sean Hannity.

Bron-Yr-Aur · 06-22-2006, 01:31 AM

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If you're one of the people that think that the people didn't want to be liberated and that life was better under Saddam's regime, please, save it.Saddam killed and estimated 5 million people during his tenure, and tortured countless others during his time. I can't remember the name, but right after he was caught the History Channel did a special on his tortue methods and interviewed victims, where they described the unthinkable horrors the the endured,so, I think that was grounds enough for going in.j And ust because the article is from Fox news, doesn't mean it didn't happen.Don't try attacking the credibility or bias of a site in order to justify your point.

Are you in Iraq right now? No. Your in your nice, cozy house, where for the moment you're safe and secure. What's going on in Iraq (without Saddam) right now? Well, what we know is that warfare is running rampant, civilians and soldiers alike are getting bombed and killed everyday, and the whole prospect of the future of the war is very uncertain, and that's glossing over the poverty and starvation issues. And again, that's all we know. What makes you so certain torture has stopped as a result of the expulsion of Saddam? Civilian life in Iraq is far less stable now than it was about 6 years ago, regardless of Saddam and his methods.

griftadan · 06-22-2006, 01:36 AM

meh, i don't even care at this point.

PerpetualBurn · 06-22-2006, 04:31 AM

It was represented to the public by Tony Blair that Saddam could launch missiles to hit England in 45 minutes. It's going to take something revolutionary to make me forgive that misinformation.

PerpetualBurn · 06-22-2006, 04:42 AM

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Nobody except a group of George Galloway fans claim that Saddam was anything other than a vicious dictator.

Actually Galloway was screaming and protesting against Saddam back when he was fighting Iran and we were supplying him with weapons. And, if you saw him on Questiontime last week, he loves to tell people this.

PerpetualBurn · 06-22-2006, 04:59 AM

He's been pretty anti-Saddam all along, it's just that he then goes off the rails by accusing every politician who didn't register their protest with him back then of being pro-Kurdish genocide.

~~coheneran~~ · 06-22-2006, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Med57

Really? His positions are so incoherent on the whole that I lose track. :-/ I was just using him as an example of someone who's gone so far off the scale of being an idiot that they actually start defending Saddam (which I'm sure he has done, although I may be thinking of someone else from Respect).

I thought the only reason he didn't want to go to war was that he bought a ton of oil off Saddam, which is pretty much the same reason why Reagan didn't want to go to war with Iraq back in the mid-80's.

PerpetualBurn · 06-22-2006, 05:26 AM

There's absolutely no established link between Galloway and Saddam.

Edit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4553601.stm#

There's a video there. I'm sure you used to be able to get the entire audio, which was a great listen, but I can't find it.

~~coheneran~~ · 06-22-2006, 05:34 AM

I would love to read the transcript of that interrogation.

PerpetualBurn · 06-22-2006, 05:37 AM

It was great. Despite being against him on most domestic things, the way in which he handled it was great. He basically said that if they were going to throw such ridiculous aspersions at him that they would have to try him for purjory.

The links they had were tenuous at best and they claimed that he owned several companies which he actually has no affiliation with.

PerpetualBurn · 06-22-2006, 05:55 AM

Yep, he's not a good politician in that I rarely agree with him, but his style of debate in just great to watch. He was put up against the Senate to be made to look a fool, and he came out of it having put them to shame.

~~coheneran~~ · 06-22-2006, 06:22 AM

Wow, that was a good read. I feel slightly more aligned with George Galloway now, though it'll take a revolution to get me to forgive his going on Big Brother.

06-22-2006, 01:02 AM	#1
~~The Real El Capitano~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I forgot my real join date but it was circa 2004 Posts: 1,067	WMD's Found In Iraq. Sorry left wingers. Well, it looks like the the rug has been pulled out from under the democrats and almost the entire left, because WMD's have been found in Iraq, and it appears they were found years earlier than this report was released. Now the main point for most Bush-Basher's, the whole,"OMG HE LIED THERE WERE NO WEAPONS OMGZZZ!!!11!",is now factually incorrect. So all you left wing/democrats who LOVED that reason,and were so positive Busg lied,here's a fork, start eating your words. Here's the story. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

06-22-2006, 01:15 AM	#6
~~The Real El Capitano~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I forgot my real join date but it was circa 2004 Posts: 1,067	If you're one of the people that think that the people didn't want to be liberated and that life was better under Saddam's regime, please, save it.Saddam killed and estimated 5 million people during his tenure, and tortured countless others during his time. I can't remember the name, but right after he was caught the History Channel did a special on his tortue methods and interviewed victims, where they described the unthinkable horrors the the endured,so, I think that was grounds enough for going in.j And ust because the article is from Fox news, doesn't mean it didn't happen.Don't try attacking the credibility or bias of a site in order to justify your point. Edit: I believe the name was Horror's of Saddam. Double Edit: This post wasn't to you Subtle. And I'm sorry I made this thread when I would soon go to bed, but I did, so I bid you gentlemen fairwell for the night, and I will return tomorrow. Last edited by The Real El Capitano; 06-22-2006 at 01:19 AM.

06-22-2006, 05:26 AM	#16
PerpetualBurn Like a greasy chip butty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Highway 61 (again) Posts: 9,447	There's absolutely no established link between Galloway and Saddam. Edit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4553601.stm# There's a video there. I'm sure you used to be able to get the entire audio, which was a great listen, but I can't find it. Last edited by PerpetualBurn; 06-22-2006 at 05:30 AM.

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06-22-2006, 01:06 AM	#3
~~The Real El Capitano~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I forgot my real join date but it was circa 2004 Posts: 1,067	But the point is that they were there,and Saddam told U.N. weapons inspectors that he had destroyed all of them. But yea I already heard Colmes trying to twist it to make it look like Bush was still lying. I know they'll just spin it to make it look like they weren't complete fools. But still.

06-22-2006, 01:10 AM	#4
Against Miik! Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Athens Posts: 18,264	Bush is still a complete fool. And he played us for fools. The fact that he found any weapons at all is luck. And it still shows no proof of a continued WMD program, which Bush accused Saddam of having. So what. Saddam lied. That still doesn't prove that he was a threat. And no we are so caught up in Iraq, there are at least 3 other even greater threats that have snuck up on us. One of these threats is going to launch a missle God knows where. Thanks a lot George. Does anybody remember how this whole thing actually started? We went into Iraq because Bush claimed Saddam had ties to al Qaeda. That was wrong. When he realized that this was wrong he moved onto WMDs. No WMDs were found. So now all of a sudden we are liberating the Iraqi people. So which one is it? Nobody knows. I guess whichever one suits him best at the moment. And lets not forget that the link comes from Fox News. The same story released by the BBC will probably be about Bush choking on a piece of cake or something. The truth at least.

06-22-2006, 01:36 AM	#11
griftadan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: lawrence, ks Posts: 5,631	meh, i don't even care at this point.

06-22-2006, 04:31 AM	#12
PerpetualBurn Like a greasy chip butty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Highway 61 (again) Posts: 9,447	It was represented to the public by Tony Blair that Saddam could launch missiles to hit England in 45 minutes. It's going to take something revolutionary to make me forgive that misinformation.

06-22-2006, 04:59 AM	#14
PerpetualBurn Like a greasy chip butty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Highway 61 (again) Posts: 9,447	He's been pretty anti-Saddam all along, it's just that he then goes off the rails by accusing every politician who didn't register their protest with him back then of being pro-Kurdish genocide.

06-22-2006, 05:34 AM	#17
~~coheneran~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In the company of the aggrieved Posts: 8,868	I would love to read the transcript of that interrogation.

06-22-2006, 05:37 AM	#18
PerpetualBurn Like a greasy chip butty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Highway 61 (again) Posts: 9,447	It was great. Despite being against him on most domestic things, the way in which he handled it was great. He basically said that if they were going to throw such ridiculous aspersions at him that they would have to try him for purjory. The links they had were tenuous at best and they claimed that he owned several companies which he actually has no affiliation with.

06-22-2006, 05:55 AM	#19
PerpetualBurn Like a greasy chip butty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Highway 61 (again) Posts: 9,447	Yep, he's not a good politician in that I rarely agree with him, but his style of debate in just great to watch. He was put up against the Senate to be made to look a fool, and he came out of it having put them to shame.

06-22-2006, 06:22 AM	#20
~~coheneran~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In the company of the aggrieved Posts: 8,868	Wow, that was a good read. I feel slightly more aligned with George Galloway now, though it'll take a revolution to get me to forgive his going on Big Brother.