So this guy made flammable water

[Bluesiestman]

If there has already been a thread about this, excuse me. Apparently this fellow David Klein has developed a 'new form of water' he calls HHO gas, to use as a welding fuel and apparently to run his car on. The story has been getting around local news outlets. I'm skeptical, but hopeful.


his patent number is 20060075683 . go there and search for it. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html

http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=4972009&nav=2FH5
texas news outlet with the basic story.

CNN video. http://www.cnn.com/video/partners/clickability/index.html?url=/video/tech/2006/05/23/patrick.fl.h2o.car.wtvt

If anyone can find serious scientific information about this, post it.

[BassRevelation1029]

lol, ive seen this everywhere now. I originally saw it in the science forum that i frequent. Most of the posters thought it was complete bs.

[peon]

how is it possibly bs?

[Spoonful of Shame]

It certainly sounds interesting

[Ugoff]

This is the first time I've heard about it. That's pretty awesome and I hope this isn't just some hoax.

[Bluesiestman]

Sadly the more I look into it the more it sounds like a hoax. But, he applied for a patent, so you'd think if hes serious enough to apply for a patent there must be something behind it. Hopefully in a few weeks scientific studies will come out, or this will be proved to be a hoax.

[peon]

i've heard about it before, its a shame that oil companies are apprently in a similar league but they'd rather pump the world dry before they release their inventions

[Bluesiestman]

The same way planned obsolence is built into cars and Windows, so you have to buy a new one every few years. You know if some technology comes up that would possibly cut off the livley hood of the oil companies, they would do everything they could to try and stifle it.


not to sound like a crazy conspiracy person, but still.

[peon]

yea i know, but purposely using the worlds oil is worse than other thinks, at least those can be recycled

[Letto]

Water can be made flammable if you electrolysize (search electrolysis) it into H2 (think Hindenburg) and O. It's nothing new, and it's one of the ideas behind getting fuel for hydrogen cars. It's been known about for hundreds of years.

[TojesDolan]

Eh I remind you don't get the molecules but the... uh H+ and O2- thing.... crap I forgot what those are.

But I don't think it's possible with such a simplistic equation.


EDIT: ions. YOu get ions not molecules.

[Letto]

The equation is 2H20 (with application of energy) -> 2H2 + O2. You don't get ions because water only has covalent bonds, not ionic bonds.

Edit: Well my explanation was overly simplistic. Just look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water

[Against Miik!]

I hate chemistry. Not becoming a doctor.

[peon]

eugh, so glad i dropped chemistry

although this sort of scientific development is pretty promising

[Smokey D]

Originally Posted by Letto

The equation is 2H20 (with application of energy) -> 2H2 + O2. You don't get ions because water only has covalent bonds, not ionic bonds.

Edit: Well my explanation was overly simplistic. Just look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water

That's separating a flammable element out of water, not making water itself flammable.

[Riva]

Originally Posted by US Patent Application

Apparatus and method for the conversion of water into a new gaseous and combustible form and the combustible gas formed thereby

Abstract

An electrolyzer which decomposes distilled water into a new fuel composed of hydrogen, oxygen and their molecular and magnecular bonds, called HHO. The electrolyzer can be used to provide the new combustible gas as an additive to combustion engine fuels or in flame or other generating equipment such as torches and welders. The new combustible gas is comprised of clusters of hydrogen and oxygen atoms structured according to a general formula H.sub.mO.sub.n wherein m and n have null or positive integer values with the exception that m and n can not be 0 at the same time, and wherein said combustible gas has a varying energy content depending on its use.

Looks to be similar to the process Letto described, at least.

[Smokey D]

Well, that's most definitely not a new invention; nor is it 'flammable water' any more than oxygen is 'breathable water'.

[Riva]

Don't tell me, tell the patents office.

[peon]

they shouldnt be allowed to patent that, in the same why a company shouldn't be allowed to patent a cure for cancer

[Letto]

Originally Posted by Smokey D

That's separating a flammable element out of water, not making water itself flammable.

No shit. It's the only way somebody could twist words to claim they had flammable water though (if that's even the term used in the patent and not just the OP's term).