More attention in Britain on knife crime

tumples · 06-02-2006, 07:27 PM

If you're from the Isles, you should have noticed how much the news has jumped on the knife Britain thing at the moment, giving shock murders massive coverage and basically telling us that all youths carry knives.

We are also in the middle of a National Knife Amnesty, where you can go to a drop off point and drop off blades with no questions asked, and this is therefore the reason for the heightened media attention.

The high profile murders that we have had have been shocking and awful, such as the volunteer police women [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4765589.stm"]Nisha Patel Nasri[/url] and the kid who was stabbed trying to help in that train, and its made me think, what can be done now?

Will an anmesty help reduce the crime, will the coverage shock the right people. How can we reduce the amount of youths that carry knives, because although the figures might be wrong, there are lots of kids who carry knives on them as normal.

So really, just discuss given points or your own, because I cant think of what can be done that will be that effective.

griftadan · 06-02-2006, 07:30 PM

god you euros are crazy when it comes to weapons.

peeted · 06-02-2006, 07:33 PM

to be quite honest i think that wen people see the scale of knife crime its just going to make them want to carry a knife for protection, not much good it'l do them though in most cases.

PerpetualBurn · 06-02-2006, 07:42 PM

I honestly don't believe that England has a raging knife culture.

Samuel · 06-02-2006, 07:56 PM

So, after the knives are banned, do you supposed that you're going to start needing a blunt object amnesty?

People kill people. It sucks, but that's people for you.

PerpetualBurn · 06-02-2006, 07:58 PM

There are regulations on what knives you can carry. I believe that it's nothing with a blade longer than 3 inches and nothing with a locking blade.

Pen knives and such are all fine.

Reaganista · 06-02-2006, 08:22 PM

I'd be more concerned about the effectiveness of your EMS services

~~The Real El Capitano~~ · 06-02-2006, 10:56 PM

We Americans carry guns. Knives are for bitches.

The_Passenger · 06-03-2006, 03:20 AM

I don't see what good this will do. People who are going to stab other people aren't really going to care whether it's illegal for them to carry knives or not.

deathscreamingsheep · 06-03-2006, 10:06 AM

Nearly every slightly thuggish group has someone who claims they're gonna "slice you up." The proportion of these who actually have knives with them and aren't just drunken idiots trying to impress their mates is low. The proportion of those who will actually use them is much lower than even that.

The police currently seem to be making out that we've essentially devolved into some sort of anarcy where just looking at some 14 year old will mean you end up dead. Seriously, most of these kids are just acting up for their mates and if you don't rise to it they won't do anything.

It's a culture of fear that means that suddenly every group becomes scary, every bloke in a hooded top becomes some sort of incoming murderer. And it's something the media will pull upon because they want to sell stories.

Besides which, the last publicised stabbing in my area was a week and a bit ago with a screwdriver so this knife amnesty isn't going to do all that much.

ringworm · 06-05-2006, 09:26 AM

This thread made me laugh
In the UK
/large crowd/ someone yells "he's got a knife!"
the crowd scatters & runs for their lives

In America, we would just bitchslap him, take his knife, then kick his arse.

Atomic Rain · 06-05-2006, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ringworm

This thread made me laugh
In the UK
/large crowd/ someone yells "he's got a knife!"
the crowd scatters & runs for their lives

In America, we would just bitchslap him, take his knife, then kick his arse.

Unless it was a gun. And you can kill a lot more people with a gun than you can a knife.

/culture success!

PerpetualBurn · 06-05-2006, 10:45 AM

Plus a knife is an intimate weapon, it's psychologically much harder to be up close and stab someone than to shoot them from a passing car.

I think the current state of affairs is massively blowing this out of proportion. The current knife laws are more than adequate if they were actually enforced.

deathscreamingsheep · 06-05-2006, 02:35 PM

That's the thing isn't it. They aren't enforced at all at least in the local area.

People get stabbed all the time, in fact a bloke got nailed with a 12 incher (innuendo intended) the other week and the police did bugger all- of course it doesn't help that all the culprits wear grey hoodies to cover their faces of about one of 3 brands and caps, but that isn't the point. The point is that the police do bugger all except that every 2 months or so they all trip up to the street with all the pubs and clubs in a big riot van and arrest anyone looking slightly funny and stopping and searching randoms.

OT but I got stopped and searched on Saturday night and they give you this crazy certificate.

PerpetualBurn · 06-05-2006, 02:36 PM

Surely you've been reading too much Daily Mail.

deathscreamingsheep · 06-05-2006, 02:41 PM

Nah. I got the gift certificate to prove it.

And seriously the police around me suck.

Atomic Rain · 06-05-2006, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PerpetualBurn

Surely you've been reading too much Daily Mail.

worst.newspaper.ever

I don't know if you watch "Have i got news for you", but paul merton's well timed critisisms are just fantastic.

IH "So, there is near drought in south-eastern england.."
PM "..Caused, according to the daily mail, by immigrants drinking all the water..."

and when a daily mail journalist was there...

DMJ "Yes, apparently wayne rooney is doing sessions in an oxygen tent... Shame it's not a carbon monoxide tent really..."
PM "Yeah, it'd be better if the working classes were all slaughtered...

PerpetualBurn · 06-05-2006, 03:55 PM

Have I Got News For You is amazing. I miss Angus Deayton though.

I also love Private Eye's references to the Mail's columnist Max "Hitler" Hastings. And the Mail is worth reading just for Peter Hitchens' ultra-conservative columns.

Knifeboy · 06-05-2006, 04:11 PM

Almost completely offtopic, but I heard on the radio that some german kid managed to stab almost 30 people with a knife at a soccergame, or something like that.. ..

Article : http://www.wn.com/p/de/cc2f5a95893730.html?id=WNAT653fbc4027082c3da1379c0409453384

Futue te Ipsum · 06-05-2006, 04:11 PM

political tactic to avert attention from something very important happening this week. Ignore it.

06-02-2006, 07:27 PM	#1
tumples Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,254	More attention in Britain on knife crime If you're from the Isles, you should have noticed how much the news has jumped on the knife Britain thing at the moment, giving shock murders massive coverage and basically telling us that all youths carry knives. We are also in the middle of a National Knife Amnesty, where you can go to a drop off point and drop off blades with no questions asked, and this is therefore the reason for the heightened media attention. The high profile murders that we have had have been shocking and awful, such as the volunteer police women [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4765589.stm"]Nisha Patel Nasri[/url] and the kid who was stabbed trying to help in that train, and its made me think, what can be done now? Will an anmesty help reduce the crime, will the coverage shock the right people. How can we reduce the amount of youths that carry knives, because although the figures might be wrong, there are lots of kids who carry knives on them as normal. So really, just discuss given points or your own, because I cant think of what can be done that will be that effective.

06-02-2006, 07:58 PM	#6
PerpetualBurn Like a greasy chip butty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Highway 61 (again) Posts: 9,447	There are regulations on what knives you can carry. I believe that it's nothing with a blade longer than 3 inches and nothing with a locking blade. Pen knives and such are all fine. Last edited by PerpetualBurn; 06-03-2006 at 10:33 AM.

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06-02-2006, 07:30 PM	#2
griftadan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: lawrence, ks Posts: 5,628	god you euros are crazy when it comes to weapons.

06-02-2006, 07:33 PM	#3
peeted O.o Join Date: May 2004 Location: Leeds UK Posts: 5,389	to be quite honest i think that wen people see the scale of knife crime its just going to make them want to carry a knife for protection, not much good it'l do them though in most cases.

06-02-2006, 07:42 PM	#4
PerpetualBurn Like a greasy chip butty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Highway 61 (again) Posts: 9,447	I honestly don't believe that England has a raging knife culture.

06-02-2006, 07:56 PM	#5
Samuel Piano face! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Knoxville TN Posts: 9,332	So, after the knives are banned, do you supposed that you're going to start needing a blunt object amnesty? People kill people. It sucks, but that's people for you.

06-02-2006, 08:22 PM	#7
Reaganista ill be ur dog Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: come to u when u call me Posts: 29,158	I'd be more concerned about the effectiveness of your EMS services

06-02-2006, 10:56 PM	#8
~~The Real El Capitano~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I forgot my real join date but it was circa 2004 Posts: 1,067	We Americans carry guns. Knives are for bitches.

06-03-2006, 03:20 AM	#9
The_Passenger Hey Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Exeter, UK Posts: 1,872	I don't see what good this will do. People who are going to stab other people aren't really going to care whether it's illegal for them to carry knives or not.

06-03-2006, 10:06 AM	#10
deathscreamingsheep Turning Water into Funk Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,572	Nearly every slightly thuggish group has someone who claims they're gonna "slice you up." The proportion of these who actually have knives with them and aren't just drunken idiots trying to impress their mates is low. The proportion of those who will actually use them is much lower than even that. The police currently seem to be making out that we've essentially devolved into some sort of anarcy where just looking at some 14 year old will mean you end up dead. Seriously, most of these kids are just acting up for their mates and if you don't rise to it they won't do anything. It's a culture of fear that means that suddenly every group becomes scary, every bloke in a hooded top becomes some sort of incoming murderer. And it's something the media will pull upon because they want to sell stories. Besides which, the last publicised stabbing in my area was a week and a bit ago with a screwdriver so this knife amnesty isn't going to do all that much.

06-05-2006, 09:26 AM	#11
ringworm Say NO to… Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Offshore Drilling Posts: 4,709	This thread made me laugh In the UK /large crowd/ someone yells "he's got a knife!" the crowd scatters & runs for their lives In America, we would just bitchslap him, take his knife, then kick his arse.

06-05-2006, 10:45 AM	#13
PerpetualBurn Like a greasy chip butty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Highway 61 (again) Posts: 9,447	Plus a knife is an intimate weapon, it's psychologically much harder to be up close and stab someone than to shoot them from a passing car. I think the current state of affairs is massively blowing this out of proportion. The current knife laws are more than adequate if they were actually enforced.

06-05-2006, 02:35 PM	#14
deathscreamingsheep Turning Water into Funk Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,572	That's the thing isn't it. They aren't enforced at all at least in the local area. People get stabbed all the time, in fact a bloke got nailed with a 12 incher (innuendo intended) the other week and the police did bugger all- of course it doesn't help that all the culprits wear grey hoodies to cover their faces of about one of 3 brands and caps, but that isn't the point. The point is that the police do bugger all except that every 2 months or so they all trip up to the street with all the pubs and clubs in a big riot van and arrest anyone looking slightly funny and stopping and searching randoms. OT but I got stopped and searched on Saturday night and they give you this crazy certificate.

06-05-2006, 02:36 PM	#15
PerpetualBurn Like a greasy chip butty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Highway 61 (again) Posts: 9,447	Surely you've been reading too much Daily Mail.

06-05-2006, 02:41 PM	#16
deathscreamingsheep Turning Water into Funk Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,572	Nah. I got the gift certificate to prove it. And seriously the police around me suck.

06-05-2006, 03:55 PM	#18
PerpetualBurn Like a greasy chip butty Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Highway 61 (again) Posts: 9,447	Have I Got News For You is amazing. I miss Angus Deayton though. I also love Private Eye's references to the Mail's columnist Max "Hitler" Hastings. And the Mail is worth reading just for Peter Hitchens' ultra-conservative columns.

06-05-2006, 04:11 PM	#19
Knifeboy I -have- stopped posting Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,419	Almost completely offtopic, but I heard on the radio that some german kid managed to stab almost 30 people with a knife at a soccergame, or something like that.. .. Article : http://www.wn.com/p/de/cc2f5a95893730.html?id=WNAT653fbc4027082c3da1379c0409453384

06-05-2006, 04:11 PM	#20
Futue te Ipsum Wombling free Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The moral high ground Posts: 9,818	political tactic to avert attention from something very important happening this week. Ignore it.