Fascinating Look at Modern Media

[mx]

Simultaneous headlines as of now, on two professional and supposedly objective sites:

BBC (UK):

New 'Iraq massacre' tape emerges
The BBC obtains new video evidence that US troops may have deliberately killed 11 Iraqi civilians in March.

- Haditha: Massacre and cover-up?
- Iraqi viewpoint: Fear of US troops
- Abu Ghraib dog handler convicted
- Guantanamo hunger strike grows
- Army 'to blame' for Katrina flood

CNN (US):

Iran deal offers hope and hurt

Six world powers -- including all five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council -- Thursday agreed on a plan for resuming negotiations with Iran -- but only if Tehran agrees to suspend its manufacture of nuclear fuel. "We urge Iran to take the positive path... which would bring significant benefits to Iran," said British Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett, who announced the agreement.

- Female drivers attract Afghan stares
- Terror factory reveals secrets
- Muslim girl says teacher made fun of her scarf




I find this simply amazing, and it really illuminates why so many people in Europe hate the US, and why the two countries are not on the same page. The spin on both ways is unbelievable. Almost every one of the BBC headlines included US atrocities, and almost every one of the CNN justified actions against Muslim countries. The wool is over both of our eyes.

[Reaganista]

Just because the BBC says something doesn't mean right.

And euros hate the US because their commie economies are all miserable failures.

[Already_Taken]

Originally Posted by The Tway

Just because the BBC says something doesn't mean right.

And euros hate the US because their commie economies are all miserable failures.

lol i hope you are joking.

that is pretty interesting though, I never thought to look at two different countries headlines to see what's up. thanks for pointing that out

[Reaganista]

No I'm not joking.

Are you from texas via stockholm or something? damn euro

[AKid2]

MANUFACTURING CONSENT by Edward Norman and Noam Chomsky really shook any trust I had in any sort of media. I recommed the read for the shock factor.

[davser]

Originally Posted by The Tway

And euros hate the US because their commie economies are all miserable failures.

You really need to get out more.

[Slapping Penguin]

Why don't they just ban that fool. Grow up Tway and realise that America not the only good thing on the planet.

[PerpetualBurn]

lol @ racist tway.

Tway's becoming the anti-fenwood. If you threw him and fenny together they'd fuse and become an unstoppable fallacious arguing machine.

[The Wizard of Oz]

Originally Posted by mx

Simultaneous headlines as of now, on two professional and supposedly objective sites:

BBC (UK):

New 'Iraq massacre' tape emerges
The BBC obtains new video evidence that US troops may have deliberately killed 11 Iraqi civilians in March.

- Haditha: Massacre and cover-up?
- Iraqi viewpoint: Fear of US troops
- Abu Ghraib dog handler convicted
- Guantanamo hunger strike grows
- Army 'to blame' for Katrina flood

CNN (US):

Iran deal offers hope and hurt

Six world powers -- including all five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council -- Thursday agreed on a plan for resuming negotiations with Iran -- but only if Tehran agrees to suspend its manufacture of nuclear fuel. "We urge Iran to take the positive path... which would bring significant benefits to Iran," said British Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett, who announced the agreement.

- Female drivers attract Afghan stares
- Terror factory reveals secrets
- Muslim girl says teacher made fun of her scarf




I find this simply amazing, and it really illuminates why so many people in Europe hate the US, and why the two countries are not on the same page. The spin on both ways is unbelievable. Almost every one of the BBC headlines included US atrocities, and almost every one of the CNN justified actions against Muslim countries. The wool is over both of our eyes.

What can I say. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

[davser]

Originally Posted by mx

Simultaneous headlines as of now, on two professional and supposedly objective sites:

BBC (UK):

New 'Iraq massacre' tape emerges
The BBC obtains new video evidence that US troops may have deliberately killed 11 Iraqi civilians in March.

- Haditha: Massacre and cover-up?
- Iraqi viewpoint: Fear of US troops
- Abu Ghraib dog handler convicted
- Guantanamo hunger strike grows
- Army 'to blame' for Katrina flood

CNN (US):

Iran deal offers hope and hurt

Six world powers -- including all five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council -- Thursday agreed on a plan for resuming negotiations with Iran -- but only if Tehran agrees to suspend its manufacture of nuclear fuel. "We urge Iran to take the positive path... which would bring significant benefits to Iran," said British Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett, who announced the agreement.

- Female drivers attract Afghan stares
- Terror factory reveals secrets
- Muslim girl says teacher made fun of her scarf




I find this simply amazing, and it really illuminates why so many people in Europe hate the US, and why the two countries are not on the same page. The spin on both ways is unbelievable. Almost every one of the BBC headlines included US atrocities, and almost every one of the CNN justified actions against Muslim countries. The wool is over both of our eyes.

The fact is that Iraq and going to war illegaly is still a major issue in the UK, which the BBC serves.

Current headlines -

Man shot in anti terrorism raids
Iran nuclear bomb in 10 years
US probes new Iraq massacre claim
Prescott job interests Johnson
Urgent law to shut rape loophole
Virus ship docks in Southampton
Iraq agenda at Blair Prodi talks

Are you suggesting that they ignore talk of a further massacre of innocent civilians in Iraq?

The BBC states the US viewpoint that Iran will have the bomb in 10 years. Is that anti US? In my view this story supports the US view. You really need to take a longer term look at what is being put out rather than look at a snapshot of one day.

Well, as far as the topic goes, news broadcasters want to get attention and make money. BBC of course uses stories that showcase America's problems because of the obvious dissent towards America by the rest of the world. CNN will obviously try to play up wartime as much as they can while maintaining that we are in some shape or form succeeding so people will keep reading.

I think the contrast you've put between both news venues is unnecessary because really both of them are just trying to suck people in in the first place and have no inherent relation to each other.

Either way, the news has always been intentionally misleading if he audience is dumb enough to fall for hype. That's the nature of the beast.

[Riva]

Originally Posted by SubtleDagger

Tway's becoming the anti-fenwood. If you threw him and fenny together they'd fuse and become an unstoppable fallacious arguing machine.

I choose to read that as unstoppable phallic arguing machine for shits and giggles.

[davser]

Also, you need to read what's in the actual story to see if both sides of the argument are presented. Usually the BBC covers opposing positions. No idea what CNN do.

[Damrod]

The problem, like it was mentioned before in this thread, is that the media wants to sell. They make money by selling those stories. Most of the private stations at least.

Another thing is the basically completely different view on military actions. Maybe because of the European past (for us in Germany specifically), maybe because of basically different views on the world. I don't know the exact reason. When a lot of people don't support military actions that are injustified and unnecessary from their point of view it is clear that the media "tunes to that frequency" and gives the people what they want.

[mx]

My point was not that BBC was a bad news source, or even that today's threads are competely indicative of a trend. However, it was extremely interesting to look at the headlines as of 12pm last night, EST. I don't really see how I can be attacked for a simple observation =) In any case, it's something to think about.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I'd say they're generally reflective of their respective audiences. British people, especially the type of person who reads the BBC, are becoming more and more critical of the war effort, while America on the whole seems to have a rather more "support the troops" atmosphere right now.

[mx]

That's precisely what I meant. The fact is, however, that different populaces are being presented with remarkably different spin.

[davser]

Tell us something we don't know!!!

The US media seems more ready to support the President in his actions (at the start anyway) whereas the UK media is likely to be more critical, especially when UK is in cahoots with the US. However, when the Falklands conflict was underway the UK media was firmly behind the action, not surprising considering it was British sovereign soil being invaded.

[peeted]

theres less govenment pressure in the uk media, its allso reflected by te fact that they badmouth anyone whos in power and seem to have done for the last40/50 years