Conflict in Haditha, Iraq

[dislocated214]

The Haditha massacre occured on November 19, 2005 in the town of Haditha in Iraq. A squad of United States Marines is alleged to have murdered about two dozen Iraqi civilians in the aftermath of an attack on the Marines.

In March 2006, the U.S. military opened an investigation into the November 19, 2005 deaths of Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas and a number of Iraqi civilians in Haditha which followed a roadside bomb and small-arms attack on a convoy of the Marines of Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines. A Marine Corps communique had initially reported that 15 civilians were killed by the bomb's blast and eight insurgents were killed when the Marines returned fire against those attacking the convoy. However, media reports have contradicted this story.

As of May 27, 2006, Western media is reporting that 24 Iraqis were killed, and that none were killed as a result of the bomb The news comes in anticipation of the results of the military's investigation, which is said to find that the 24 unarmed Iraqis—including women and children—were murdered by 12 members of the US Marines from the 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division.

Wikipedia

What are your opinions on the *massacre* (can't think of a better word) of what happened in Haditha? And also in some cities in Afghanistan?

Do you think the military/government are/were trying to cover it up?


On Afghanistan:

Thousands of Afghanis have demonstrated and protested in Kabul beginning May 28, throwing stones at U.S. and other foreigners and literally risking death. They were shot at and some actually killed following a fatal auto crash on May 29 involving U.S. military vehicles. The explosion of popular fury exposed a White House myth.

What the “accident” and ensuing revolt did was clear away the myth of political stability that Washing ton had created about its puppet government in Kabul.

No, the situation will not be resolved by fixing the brakes on U.S. trucks. No, the new NATO forces now scheduled to replace U.S. troops won’t make it all better. No, it won’t put things right if it is proved that U.S. troops didn’t fire until someone fired on them—which is doubtful, anyway. No, a few more jobs for the unemployed Afghani youths won’t win their hearts and minds.

Workers World

(Yes, leftist bias).





I think what happened in Haditha is what happens in war generally, in all wars innocent people have been killed. Its estimated 30,000+ Iraqi civilians have died since the beginning of the war. I might expand on this later.

[PepsiMetal]

Very sad however it happened.

And all of this for those Weapons of Mass Destruction that were never found.

Originally Posted by PepsiMetal

Very sad however it happened.

And all of this for those Weapons of Mass Destruction that were never found.

You'd think you'd be bored of the unnecessary Bush-bashing by now.

[PepsiMetal]

Bush bashing? More like piss-poor intelligence of CIA.

The CIA made us go to war?

[peeted]

train people to kill, give em guns, send them of to some country torn up by war were they never know if there going to live another day or not...what do you expect?

[PepsiMetal]

Originally Posted by SubtleDagger

The CIA made us go to war?

CIA made up those fake photos of Iraq's WMD and gave them to colin powell who's job was to convince China, Russia, and France that it was real, but obviously they refused which is the reason only 2/5 main UN countries supported the iraqi war. I don't think Bush actually knew CIA pictures were fake, but if he did, they yes, I blame both.

[Reaganista]

come back with sources that are more accurate than stirring some alphabet soup and reading what you think it says.

[Reaganista]

CIA made up those fake photos of Iraq's WMD and gave them to colin powell who's job was to convince China, Russia, and France that it was real, but obviously they refused which is the reason only 2/5 main UN countries supported the iraqi war. I don't think Bush actually knew CIA pictures were fake, but if he did, they yes, I blame both.

ok that's not true and also irrelevant.

go away

[PepsiMetal]

Originally Posted by The Tway

ok that's not true and also irrelevant.

go away

Umm, it's the truth. Go research then come back.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0207-03.htm

[dislocated214]

Where did Powell get the falsepictures?

I'm not implying you or Pepsi is right, I don't know the answer either.

[Reaganista]

I'm not doing reasearch for you

Originally Posted by PepsiMetal

Umm, it's the truth. Go research then come back.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0207-03.htm

Calling that a source is like calling James Cameron's "Titanic" a documentary.

[PepsiMetal]

Originally Posted by dislocated214

Where did Powell get the falsepictures?

I'm not implying you or Pepsi is right, I don't know the answer either.

Well unless Bush just used Google Earth to get the aerial images, and photoshopped them, they were probably made by CIA.

Originally Posted by SubtleDagger

Calling that a source is like calling James Cameron's "Titanic" a documentary.

Because?

Anyways, it's the first site that popped up on google. You can easily find many more where Colin Powell was presenting pictures/evidence to the UN of these "WMD".

Originally Posted by PepsiMetal

Well unless Bush just used Google Earth to get the aerial images, and photoshopped them, they were probably made by CIA.



Because?

Because it's obviously partisan-spun garbage?

[dislocated214]

Originally Posted by The Tway

I'm not doing reasearch for you

Thanks...true liberterian at his best

But I don't understand how you can claim he is false by not providing sources but you assume you are correct but you do not provide sources either.

just sayin yo

[PepsiMetal]

Originally Posted by SubtleDagger

Because it's obviously partisan-spun garbage?

Is this also partisan-spun garbage?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/

Which part of my posts are you doubting? The part where Colin tried to convince UN with the photos and other evidence?

[Reaganista]

Originally Posted by PepsiMetal

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0207-03.htm

first of all, that's not a credible source.

secondly, it's actual content doesn't confirm any of the specious claims you made, it makes no mention of the CIA, fake or doctored photographs or a conspiracy to lie to russia, france and china.

Originally Posted by PepsiMetal

Anyways, it's the first site that popped up on google. You can easily find many more where Colin Powell was presenting pictures/evidence to the UN of these "WMD".

It shouldn't be that hard for you to find a good source for it then.

[Reaganista]

Originally Posted by PepsiMetal

Is this also partisan-spun garbage?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/

Which part of my posts are you doubting? The part where Colin tried to convince UN with the photos and other evidence?

this source only mentions the CIA to say that they weren't involved.