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[Med57]

If you've got any questions or suggestions about the PNWI forum, or if you're reporting a problem user then please post here. Please provide a link if you're reporting a bad thread or problem user, as it makes it a lot easier to deal with. If no mods are around, then you can try posting in the [URL="http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15"]Site Forum[/url], which mods check on a regular basis.

And just to provide an explanation for where all the recent threads went, earlier today a mod account got hacked, and most of the recent threads were merged into [URL="http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=443775"]this thread[/url]. It's virtually impossible to unmerge everything out of that, so the front page is going to have to gradually be repopulated again.

[Danish]

What the hell happened to my Essential Political Readings thread?!

[The_Passenger]

Originally Posted by Danish

What the hell happened to my Essential Political Readings thread?!

I think that like Med said, just about every thread on the first page got merged into one [URL="http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=443775"]thread[/url].

[Dave de Sylvia]

Originally Posted by Danish

What the hell happened to my Essential Political Readings thread?!

The entire last two weeks was deleted and you only noticed your own thread was missing? :-/

[Reaganista]

Man this forum's going to hell.

edit: oh yeah 601 posts in that thread I owned you guys! zwn

[Liberi Fatali]

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[bball_1523]

what happened to the pentagon video thread? 1 post and it got locked.

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468533

[bball_1523]

you're right in the video does not any new provide evidence....of a boeing 757 that is! just some small white line.

But the thread would not have turned into crap. If you search for the loose change thread we had not too long ago, we had two sides arguing fairly backing up our claims with evidence. It was fair, until someone decided to close it...

The lack of evidence argument is weak, because there is PLENTY of evidence, but we just can't provide it because our threads get locked before we can say anything...

[bball_1523]

Originally Posted by Med57

Exactly. We've already had the dicussion so many times, and points just never get conceded by either side. Frankly anyone who believes in the 9/11 conspiracy theories about a missile hitting the Pentagon, or the government having a controlled demolition of the World Trade Centre isn't going to have their minds changed by anything that we can say. It isn't going to happen. If the thread had any new evidence in, then it may have stayed open. As it was, it simply had footage that I'm sure I've seen before anyway, that featured one frame of a white object heading for the Pentagon. I'll say it was a plane, you'll say it was a missile. I'll cite eyewitnesses who say it was a plane, you'll say that it didn't make a big enough hole, and we'll be exactly back where it started.

it's the same as having the HR4437 thread here, both sides go at it forever. Of course it's up the person to decide what they want to believe based the evidence they see. I see absolutely no difference in argumentation between HR4437 and 9/11 conspiracy.

Just like you say the conspiracy facts we provide aren't going to change your minds, the evidence you provide won't really change ours either unless it's new evidence such as newer footage of the pentagon strike that might prove us wrong of what hit the pentagon.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html

I don't know if you've seen this video, it's the actual video of the 5 frames you must've seen a while ago. This was released yesterday by the major media networks.

When we argue back and forth about different such as a plane hitting it, we could argue about the size of the plane, the hole, together, not just one side says this, and the other bring in another argument, and we WERE doing that in the Loose change thread that mysteriously got closed. We were talking about the elements of the WTC towers falling down together! It's ridiculous that it got closed.

Whatever. Since mid-2004, I've posted in multiple 9/11 conspiracy threads here, in which I've offered refutations to pretty much every single point raised by conspiracy theorists over it. The threads always stay on the front page for far too long, and they go nowhere. They're even worse than some religion threads, since at least interesting new arguments can come up in those. If you want to believe in conspiraces than 9/11, then please, go ahead. If some new evidence one way or another comes to light, then make a thread and it might stay open. But until then, please don't make anymore.

The Loose change thread we had earlier was having fair arguments back and forth about the same evidence you've probably seen, and it was fine by all of us, except whomever closed it. That is unfair to us that do want to argue about it. Why should it be closed because it goes back and forth? Religious arguments go back and forth too. So do arguments about immigration.

So what if it takes forever, so do most of these other big issues. It's not like there's always new evidence for and against abortion, yet we can still have threads on that?

Oh and the pentagon video released yesterday was actually New evidence supposedly revealed to debunk conspiracies. So why did it get deleted? It was not the same frames you saw, but the actual video of the frames.

[bball_1523]

Originally Posted by Med57

Frankly I didn't close the thread, and I really don't care that much one way or another. Try contacting zerokewl at Non Sequitur 628 over AIM if you want it reopened, since it's his call to make one way or another what with him being a mod in this forum as well. My point about threads regarding 9/11 and all the conspiracy theories surrounding it was that, unlike good religion threads in here, the points have been made and argued in virtually the exact same words that will come up in any thread on the topic. But if you IM Steve and he reopens the thread or lets you create a new one, then that's fine by me too. I probably wouldn't have closed it in the first place, although I can certainly see why it was.

thanks I'll IM him.

Why do you think it was closed other than the reasons you gave me above?

the points have been in religion threads and argued a million times too. I still see no difference.

[Reaganista]

You're an idiot.

[coheneran]

Originally Posted by bball_1523

thanks I'll IM him.

Why do you think it was closed other than the reasons you gave me above?

the points have been in religion threads and argued a million times too. I still see no difference.

That's because religion can be argued in a metaphysical and theoretical sense, 9/11 can only be argued on facts, and every single fact so far has been distorted, from both sides of the board, so both sides are basing their arguments on doubtful facts. THAT is why it's pointless to argue. Here is the pentagon attack argument boiled down:

Conspiracy theorist: The camera shows an explosion coming from the outside and the hole isn't big enough to accomodate even the tip of a plane like that.

Patriot: People who were there said they saw a plane.

Conspiracy theorist: You're wrong, FOX owns you.

Patriot: No, you're wrong, stop looking for reasons to hate the government.

And repeat.

[Reaganista]

In the interests of spectacular irony, coheneran should be banned for repeatedly saying large bundle of sticks in the homosexuality thread.

[coheneran]

Originally Posted by The Tway

In the interests of spectacular irony, coheneran should be banned for repeatedly saying large bundle of sticks in the homosexuality thread.

What?! I am reclaiming that word. If you haven't noticed, I'm constantly using words like fag, queer, homo, etc. in a non-threatening/non-offensive context. I don't mean any offence to anyone. If anyone was insulted however, I will immediately apologise and edit the offending posts.

[Reaganista]

Oh I just think it would be hilarious.

[Reaganista]

Whoa when/why did we split from the pit?

does that mean danish wins?

are we about to have elections for mod?
vote 4 me I'll rule with an Iron fist of Freedom

[Iscariot]

More like an iron fist of idiocy and trolldom.

[Reaganista]

lol moron

"Iron fist of freedom" is like the biggest oxymoron I've heard on this forum.

[Iscariot]

Originally Posted by SubtleDagger

"Iron fist of freedom" is like the biggest oxymoron I've heard on this forum.

Well, it did come from the biggest moron on the board.