ATTN R&M: Flaming and You

Riva · 01-20-2006, 12:06 AM

Okay guys. I've noticed a lot of arguing, debating and flaming has been occuring in the past few months. Now, flaming is a bannable offence, but I believe we can't eliminate opinions from this forum. I mean, what else are we going to talk about?

I think the main problem is that people forget that there is a human sitting on the other side of the computer. Hence we are all guilty of forgetting about difference in opinions and others feelings.

Following soon will be the guidelines by which I seperate flaming, trolling and arguing from discussion and debate.

However, let me say something briefly.

I have come under flak recently from a number of users, mainly regarding actions in a thread. It hurts me that a number of users either a) flat out abused myself, or b) disparaged my modding ability all because I posted an opinion.

I'm here to clear up a few doubts. The mods are not your lapdogs. We are ordinary users like yourselves, who must also perform other duties. We do not waive our right to an opinion when we gain the 5 stars. We do not automatically agree to bow down to your opinion just because we have an italicised username. We aren't meant to be Holier Than Thou. We are down in the dirt with you guys, except we have duties. And it isn't all fun being a mod either, it's a lot of hard work at times.

The incident in question involved someone who first questioned my opinion, then flat out refused to listen to my rebuttal, and proceeded to insult me personally, all because I tried to debate them. This incident has sparked me to write this thread. I am not excusing my actions or that of the person, by the way. It's in the past, and been resolved, I hope.

Now, this is by no means concrete, so you can all post your definitions/interpretations, and I will edit these guidelines if there is enough demand.

Okay:

Debating

Debating is the art of the discussion. It is a controlled argument. On these forums, that means sticking to the topic, providing facts to support your statement, and avoiding bashing your opponent. It is serious.

e.g: Spinal Architect, I feel, are more technical than Whitesnake, and hence more enjoyable to me. For example, the song {EXAMPLE} is noticeably more difficult to play than {EXAMPLE}.

Discussion

This is less serious, I feel. It is still your opinion, but you can provide as many or as few facts as you like. No matter how silly your idea may seem, if you discuss it well, others are obliged to respect it. It can be serious or humourous.

e.g. I don't like Arch Enemy. They put me to sleep. I find the continual drone and repeated riffs to be somewhat oppressive.

Arguing

Arguing is excessively hammering your point through, ad nauseum, without really regarding or responding to other's posts. It's not really acceptable, and there's a fine line between flaming and arguing. However, there's also not far between discussion and arguing.

e.g. Tool sold out. Whatever you think is wrong.

Flaming

Flaming is when you personally insult a user, a band, without reason.
e.g. METALLICA LICK YOUR SACK YOU STUPID FAG

Trolling

Trolling is flaming simply in order to get a rise out of people.

See:
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Troll

Thanks to Eggo.

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I also updated the rules thread, to make it more user friendly, I hope. There's some new stuff there, so the regulars might like to take a look.

Amit · 01-20-2006, 12:09 AM

Awesome thread, Riva. I think it's that dumb religion thread that's really pushed it over the edge.

I'm surprised by how so many people still can't discern the borders between objectivity and subjectivity.

Just so you know...Trolling isn't repeated flaming

Riva · 01-20-2006, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eggo

Just so you know...Trolling isn't repeated flaming

Oh shi

What is it then?

Amit · 01-20-2006, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyRiva

Oh shi

What is it then?

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Troll

:-)

kamiccollo · 01-20-2006, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eggo

Awesome thread, Riva. I think it's that dumb religion thread that's really pushed it over the edge.

I think its doing okay now at least, though it might change during the day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eggo

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Troll

haha, brilliant,- trolls remorse and chronic troll sydrome

Leukeh · 01-20-2006, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eggo

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Troll

:-)

usually results in a fire drill

Riva · 01-20-2006, 12:15 AM

Haha, great. Okay.

Don't mind me, I'm just a newb.

Mailman · 01-20-2006, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eggo

Awesome thread, Riva. I think it's that dumb religion thread that's really pushed it over the edge.

I'm surprised by how so many people still can't discern the borders between objectivity and subjectivity.

Just so you know...Trolling isn't repeated flaming

stop trying to be smart eggo you cum guzzling prog listener

In all seriousness, this should be an announcement.

Amit · 01-20-2006, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leukeh

usually results in a fire drill

It's happened to me before...Even if I just post a

in an active thread sometimes, the entire forum seemingly vanishes once they know I've logged on :-(

Leper · 01-20-2006, 12:26 AM

It really bugs me when I come across someone who can't respect others' opinions. This is a good idea to get things cleared up Riva, but I don't know how much it will actually help. People generally know when they're crossing the line, and those who do usually don't care.

Leukeh · 01-20-2006, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eggo

It's happened to me before...Even if I just post a

in an active thread sometimes, the entire forum seemingly vanishes once they know I've logged on :-(

/vanishes

I've noticed DarkLikePoe is a big flamer... no offense to him or nothin, just... he is.

Amit · 01-20-2006, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leppermessiah

...And those who do usually don't care.

Those are the ones who are useless and should be banned on sight :-)

Good night guys!

gmoneyguy · 01-20-2006, 12:28 AM

I would also like to point some soem threads will innately breed trolls.
Such as the Metallica, A7X, Axl Rose(

) threads, and etc.

Leper · 01-20-2006, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eggo

Those are the ones who are useless and should be banned on sight :-)

Good night guys!

Wouldn't it be nice if they could do that?

Lord Abortion · 01-20-2006, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyRiva

Haha, great. Okay.

Don't mind me, I'm just a newb.

That's true.
However, this is an important point that really needed to be clarified.

But Metallica really do lick your ball sack.

Jacaranda · 01-20-2006, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leppermessiah

It really bugs me when I come across someone who can't respect others' opinions. This is a good idea to get things cleared up Riva, but I don't know how much it will actually help. People generally know when they're crossing the line, and those who do usually don't care.

stuf faggiah

Ya, I noticed a lot of threads getting worse and worse, although I'm not perfect I try not to step on other peoples toe's, but sometimes its impossible not to.

King_Of_Terrors · 01-20-2006, 06:19 AM

I don't have time to read all of this, I will when I get back from school today. I can tell your getting your point across, good job.

KittensInMicrowaves · 01-20-2006, 10:05 AM

I appreciate this thread, I was recently called an idiot by a user on another thread for just stating my opinion on a very debatable issue. Then about 2 or 3 others joined in... I'm not always right and I know some people on here know a lot more than me, but the flaming gets out of control and some people refuse to believe that their opinions aren't fact, then they resort to name calling and other childish behavior or gang up to intimidate. It'd be nice to see less of that...

Carry on

Bartender · 01-20-2006, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyRiva

We do not waive our right to an opinion when we gain the 5 stars.

I like this bit.

Arucard · 01-20-2006, 10:09 AM

As usual with these threads, the people that post regulaly and should read them, won't.

Personally i think that the issue of people (not mentioning any names of course for fear of bannination because i have a history of 'hounding' people) going completly off topic is more pressing than the issue of flaming.

01-20-2006, 12:06 AM	#1
Riva The People's Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The North Of The South Posts: 18,391	ATTN R&M: Flaming and You Okay guys. I've noticed a lot of arguing, debating and flaming has been occuring in the past few months. Now, flaming is a bannable offence, but I believe we can't eliminate opinions from this forum. I mean, what else are we going to talk about? I think the main problem is that people forget that there is a human sitting on the other side of the computer. Hence we are all guilty of forgetting about difference in opinions and others feelings. Following soon will be the guidelines by which I seperate flaming, trolling and arguing from discussion and debate. However, let me say something briefly. I have come under flak recently from a number of users, mainly regarding actions in a thread. It hurts me that a number of users either a) flat out abused myself, or b) disparaged my modding ability all because I posted an opinion. I'm here to clear up a few doubts. The mods are not your lapdogs. We are ordinary users like yourselves, who must also perform other duties. We do not waive our right to an opinion when we gain the 5 stars. We do not automatically agree to bow down to your opinion just because we have an italicised username. We aren't meant to be Holier Than Thou. We are down in the dirt with you guys, except we have duties. And it isn't all fun being a mod either, it's a lot of hard work at times. The incident in question involved someone who first questioned my opinion, then flat out refused to listen to my rebuttal, and proceeded to insult me personally, all because I tried to debate them. This incident has sparked me to write this thread. I am not excusing my actions or that of the person, by the way. It's in the past, and been resolved, I hope. Now, this is by no means concrete, so you can all post your definitions/interpretations, and I will edit these guidelines if there is enough demand. Okay: Debating Debating is the art of the discussion. It is a controlled argument. On these forums, that means sticking to the topic, providing facts to support your statement, and avoiding bashing your opponent. It is serious. e.g: Spinal Architect, I feel, are more technical than Whitesnake, and hence more enjoyable to me. For example, the song {EXAMPLE} is noticeably more difficult to play than {EXAMPLE}. Discussion This is less serious, I feel. It is still your opinion, but you can provide as many or as few facts as you like. No matter how silly your idea may seem, if you discuss it well, others are obliged to respect it. It can be serious or humourous. e.g. I don't like Arch Enemy. They put me to sleep. I find the continual drone and repeated riffs to be somewhat oppressive. Arguing Arguing is excessively hammering your point through, ad nauseum, without really regarding or responding to other's posts. It's not really acceptable, and there's a fine line between flaming and arguing. However, there's also not far between discussion and arguing. e.g. Tool sold out. Whatever you think is wrong. Flaming Flaming is when you personally insult a user, a band, without reason. e.g. METALLICA LICK YOUR SACK YOU STUPID FAG Trolling Trolling is flaming simply in order to get a rise out of people. See: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Troll Thanks to Eggo. ------------------------------------ I also updated the rules thread, to make it more user friendly, I hope. There's some new stuff there, so the regulars might like to take a look. Last edited by Riva; 01-20-2006 at 12:16 AM.

01-20-2006, 12:28 AM	#13
gmoneyguy Remember you're unique Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Just like anybody else. Posts: 32,569	I would also like to point some soem threads will innately breed trolls. Such as the Metallica, A7X, Axl Rose() threads, and etc. Last edited by gmoneyguy; 01-20-2006 at 12:35 AM.

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01-20-2006, 12:09 AM	#2
Amit blame it on the goose Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: got you feelin loose Posts: 47,008	Awesome thread, Riva. I think it's that dumb religion thread that's really pushed it over the edge. I'm surprised by how so many people still can't discern the borders between objectivity and subjectivity. Just so you know...Trolling isn't repeated flaming

01-20-2006, 12:15 AM	#7
Riva The People's Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The North Of The South Posts: 18,391	Haha, great. Okay. Don't mind me, I'm just a newb.

01-20-2006, 12:26 AM	#10
Leper Just like you, but nicer. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Posts: 4,269	It really bugs me when I come across someone who can't respect others' opinions. This is a good idea to get things cleared up Riva, but I don't know how much it will actually help. People generally know when they're crossing the line, and those who do usually don't care.

01-20-2006, 06:19 AM	#17
King_Of_Terrors Destroy The Walls Of Time Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Eustis, Florida Posts: 4,520	I don't have time to read all of this, I will when I get back from school today. I can tell your getting your point across, good job.

01-20-2006, 10:05 AM	#18
KittensInMicrowaves Juiced Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 1,514	I appreciate this thread, I was recently called an idiot by a user on another thread for just stating my opinion on a very debatable issue. Then about 2 or 3 others joined in... I'm not always right and I know some people on here know a lot more than me, but the flaming gets out of control and some people refuse to believe that their opinions aren't fact, then they resort to name calling and other childish behavior or gang up to intimidate. It'd be nice to see less of that... Carry on

01-20-2006, 10:09 AM	#20
Arucard blam Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hidden Mist Village Posts: 10,408	As usual with these threads, the people that post regulaly and should read them, won't. Personally i think that the issue of people (not mentioning any names of course for fear of bannination because i have a history of 'hounding' people) going completly off topic is more pressing than the issue of flaming.