Tabs... before it's too late?

usernametaken · 01-02-2006, 07:37 PM

Now that there is only one tab site still standing, what if it gets shut down?

The MPA is breaching our freedom to learn, but can they really stop us? I remember there was a program where you downloaded tabs and it showed them on your computer. I don't remember the name. Does anybody have this program? There was also a huge archive of all the tabs for the program. Is that archive still online? Does anybody have the archive on their computer?

If possible, we could get the program and the tab archive hosted on the web on some random site so people could download the tabs/program. The site wouldn't be a big site like MX so it wouldn't get many hits, because one single person would only have to go there once.

Also, any file sharers here? What about getting it on things like Ares and Limewire? They can't shut down Ares or Limewire because those programs are like bongs - they're legal if you use them legally.

munky_magik · 01-02-2006, 08:02 PM

The MPA are taking action because tabs are in breach of copyright laws.
Ultimate Guitar shouldn't get shut down as they claim to have a licence and/or pay royalties for hosting tabs. Also their site is hosted in Russia which is exempt from the MPA's authority.

There are two kinds of program that suit your description; Guitar Pro and Powertabs. The Guitar pro archive of tabs is still up at http://www.mysongbook.com. Powertabs, however, have been shut down indefinitely due to fear of legal action. There was some notion that they would perhaps be hosted on Ultimate-Guitar but anything regarding that matter has yet to surface.

Hosting the entire Powertab archive would most likely take alot of server space and even then you would still be facing legal action unless the site was hosted somewhere outside of the MPA's jurisdiction.

I think you can still find some Powertabs on things like Limewire. I believe some people on here have the entire archive downloaded but I have no idea as to whether or not it is aaliable in p2p networks.

Romencer17 · 01-02-2006, 08:06 PM

If you check 911tabs.com, they chack through all tab sites, so there's still sites where it all works.

rockstr0001 · 01-02-2006, 08:46 PM

you know, the fact that they took the tab site off in the first place is absolute bs, they have no right to do this ****. I fail to see how tablerature and lyrical sites are breaking the law. Luckily I happen to run into a petition site where you can sign against this crap. If you want to help out go to http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/395593044?ltl=1135186124 and sign your name, we're looking for 50,000 people here, so help spread the word.

Zeta · 01-02-2006, 09:40 PM

Is this why I can no longer reach MXTabs?

Existence is Futile · 01-02-2006, 11:32 PM

MX had a lot of tabs that ultimate guitar doesn't. Or at least a lot of different versions of them. I was thinking, wouldn't it be great if someone with access to all the tabs that were on MX (thats hoping they still exist) could send them into Ultimate-guitar? That way we'd still have access to whats been lost here.

I know this could be a big job but if someone that was in charge of MX could contact someone on Ug.. I think it'd be cool anyway..

Cain · 01-03-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeta

Is this why I can no longer reach MXTabs?

Yes.

munky_magik · 01-03-2006, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rockstr0001

you know, the fact that they took the tab site off in the first place is absolute bs, they have no right to do this ****. I fail to see how tablerature and lyrical sites are breaking the law. Luckily I happen to run into a petition site where you can sign against this crap. If you want to help out go to http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/395593044?ltl=1135186124 and sign your name, we're looking for 50,000 people here, so help spread the word.

Try reading [url=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=423673]this[/url] thread.

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Originally Posted by Existence is Futile

MX had a lot of tabs that ultimate guitar doesn't. Or at least a lot of different versions of them. I was thinking, wouldn't it be great if someone with access to all the tabs that were on MX (thats hoping they still exist) could send them into Ultimate-guitar? That way we'd still have access to whats been lost here.

I know this could be a big job but if someone that was in charge of MX could contact someone on Ug.. I think it'd be cool anyway..

I think the only person to possibly have backed them up will be the site administrator MX, so you would really have to ask him.

Kvist · 01-03-2006, 11:30 AM

I believe that tab sites are often considered illegal because some ****heads just tab of their bought books, and not tabbing their own versions, that is, obviously, against copyright laws, and why not, really, they ARE stealing other peoples work... So I'd say, if everybody just posted their own stuff, there would be no problem.

zfmt · 01-03-2006, 12:49 PM

Woah, I had no idea this was happening. Okay so what I've gathered so far is that tab sites are being shut down because if you learn the songs then thats just as bad as downloading them?? OKay, I am going to **** my pants if thats whats going on. Please can someone link me or just tell me where I can get info on whats happening.

Thanks

munky_magik · 01-03-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by zfmt

Woah, I had no idea this was happening. Okay so what I've gathered so far is that tab sites are being shut down because if you learn the songs then thats just as bad as downloading them?? OKay, I am going to **** my pants if thats whats going on. Please can someone link me or just tell me where I can get info on whats happening.

Thanks

If you want details then read [url=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=423673]this[/url] thread paying particular attention what KKKKKocaine writes.

Pesnja · 01-04-2006, 01:02 PM

If the bands don't want their music being played by adoring fans, then why bother making it? People will find a way to play their music through some other medium labeled "illegal." Why should I pay $10.95 for the tablature sheets when I just spend $14.99 on their CD?

The MPA can back off - as can Jack Thompson for screwing up my video games. True, the bands did copyright their music. Read the CD copyrights "No public performance" so...Playing some Jimi Hendrix bass lines in the seclusion of my bed room is now a "public performance?" Well, if you count Mr. Cosby on the TV and my cat that's crashed out on the bed, I guess it is.

In reality all they're doing is screwing us over because their vapid lives are finally getting to them.

Amicicide · 01-04-2006, 01:05 PM

I still don't see why they can shut down tab sites when the tabs are out own interpritation of the song. It doesn't make any sense to me, that's like someone's opinion being illigal.

What kind of legal action can they take anyway?

Bloody goverment is filled with money grubbing morons who think they can supress our opinions... the only good I see coming out of this is that I won't hear 10 year olds butchering good songs because they found them on tab sites... but still. This is BS.

booner · 01-04-2006, 01:42 PM

here is place to sign, i think its at like 7500 people, and rising fast!

disgusted at this action, should all sue MPa for loss of property (tablatures)

http://www.petitiononline.com/mioti/petition-sign.html?

Rush30 · 01-04-2006, 02:57 PM

i was on ultimateguitar.com this morning (Jan.4) and it was working fine....

munky_magik · 01-04-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pesnja

If the bands don't want their music being played by adoring fans, then why bother making it? People will find a way to play their music through some other medium labeled "illegal." Why should I pay $10.95 for the tablature sheets when I just spend $14.99 on their CD?

The MPA can back off - as can Jack Thompson for screwing up my video games. True, the bands did copyright their music. Read the CD copyrights "No public performance" so...Playing some Jimi Hendrix bass lines in the seclusion of my bed room is now a "public performance?" Well, if you count Mr. Cosby on the TV and my cat that's crashed out on the bed, I guess it is.

In reality all they're doing is screwing us over because their vapid lives are finally getting to them.

The bands haven't had a say in the matter yet, as far as I'm aware. People will probably find a way around tabs being outlawed but I imagine that it'll take a while to emerge.
Essentially since tabs are a re-creation of the Artist's song they are owed money. Free transcriptions of their songs are illegal which is why the MPA are cracking down on them. Tabs have been illegal all along but it's only now that the MPA have finally gotten around to dealing with it.

Public performances count as playings in Bars/pubs/clubs etc... There are even plans to make music shop owners pay a fee for all of the people who test out instruments by playing their favourite songs.

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I still don't see why they can shut down tab sites when the tabs are out own interpritation of the song. It doesn't make any sense to me, that's like someone's opinion being illigal. What kind of legal action can they take anyway? Bloody goverment is filled with money grubbing morons who think they can supress our opinions... the only good I see coming out of this is that I won't hear 10 year olds butchering good songs because they found them on tab sites... but still. This is BS.

Because tabs claim to be a certain song it's in breach of copywright. Essentially, I think, you could tab your interpretation of somebody's song but you would have to remove all traces of the artist, song name, album name, etc.. for it to be considered legal thus rendering the whole point of tabbing it for others useless.

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here is place to sign, i think its at like 7500 people, and rising fast!

disgusted at this action, should all sue MPa for loss of property (tablatures)

http://www.petitiononline.com/mioti/petition-sign.html?

I highly doubt that will make a difference.

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i was on ultimateguitar.com this morning (Jan.4) and it was working fine....

Ultimate-Guitar is still online because they claim to pay royalties/have a licence for their tabs and they are based on a server located in Russia which is outside of the MPA's jurisdiction.

Pesnja · 01-04-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by munky_magik

Ultimate-Guitar is still online because they claim to pay royalties/have a licence for their tabs and they are based on a server located in Russia which is outside of the MPA's jurisdiction.

Ha, go Mother Russia! If they're honestly planning on charging store owners to let people test instruments by playing Aerials or Purple Haze or whatever, they'll kill the music industry. Just playing random notes in out of tune keys won't give you the full impact of an instrument. God, no offense to any patriots - I'm getting sick of America.

All these alphabetical organizations are running this country to Hell.

Valcoramizer · 01-04-2006, 08:06 PM

You can still find the tabs from mxtabs. Many of them have been saved in the google cache, so if you search for mxtabs + song name, you'll often find the tabs. Then you click on the google cache link at the bottom of the search result.

Valcoramizer · 01-04-2006, 08:19 PM

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:8RS1th86Er0J:www.mxtabs.net/tab_versions.php%3Fpath%3DGuitar,l,708,Led%2BZeppelin,Stairway%2BTo%2BHeaven,103605++site:www.mxtabs.net+stairway+to+heaven&hl=en
there's an example of what you can find.

ToggleSwitch · 01-23-2006, 11:40 PM

Hello everyone, Im a rage Fan <<< and Mxtabs.. had a great GREAT Bullet in the Head Live.. Off of the Live and Rare Cd.. and I can not find one Blasted.. Tab that is Like it.. And I really really need that tab Cause, I forgot one Part.. So.. if anyone Out there Know where I can grab that Live and Rare Bullet In The Head Tab, Forever I will love haha, So... Please help me.

01-02-2006, 07:37 PM	#1
usernametaken Sleep Now in the Fire Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 11	Tabs... before it's too late? Now that there is only one tab site still standing, what if it gets shut down? The MPA is breaching our freedom to learn, but can they really stop us? I remember there was a program where you downloaded tabs and it showed them on your computer. I don't remember the name. Does anybody have this program? There was also a huge archive of all the tabs for the program. Is that archive still online? Does anybody have the archive on their computer? If possible, we could get the program and the tab archive hosted on the web on some random site so people could download the tabs/program. The site wouldn't be a big site like MX so it wouldn't get many hits, because one single person would only have to go there once. Also, any file sharers here? What about getting it on things like Ares and Limewire? They can't shut down Ares or Limewire because those programs are like bongs - they're legal if you use them legally.

01-02-2006, 11:32 PM	#6
Existence is Futile Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1	Moving tabs.. MX had a lot of tabs that ultimate guitar doesn't. Or at least a lot of different versions of them. I was thinking, wouldn't it be great if someone with access to all the tabs that were on MX (thats hoping they still exist) could send them into Ultimate-guitar? That way we'd still have access to whats been lost here. I know this could be a big job but if someone that was in charge of MX could contact someone on Ug.. I think it'd be cool anyway..

01-04-2006, 08:06 PM	#18
Valcoramizer Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2	Finding MX Tabs Tabs You can still find the tabs from mxtabs. Many of them have been saved in the google cache, so if you search for mxtabs + song name, you'll often find the tabs. Then you click on the google cache link at the bottom of the search result.

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01-02-2006, 08:02 PM	#2
munky_magik If it wasn't for the carefree innocence of this fórum, I'd be breaking your kneecaps Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 9,033	The MPA are taking action because tabs are in breach of copyright laws. Ultimate Guitar shouldn't get shut down as they claim to have a licence and/or pay royalties for hosting tabs. Also their site is hosted in Russia which is exempt from the MPA's authority. There are two kinds of program that suit your description; Guitar Pro and Powertabs. The Guitar pro archive of tabs is still up at http://www.mysongbook.com. Powertabs, however, have been shut down indefinitely due to fear of legal action. There was some notion that they would perhaps be hosted on Ultimate-Guitar but anything regarding that matter has yet to surface. Hosting the entire Powertab archive would most likely take alot of server space and even then you would still be facing legal action unless the site was hosted somewhere outside of the MPA's jurisdiction. I think you can still find some Powertabs on things like Limewire. I believe some people on here have the entire archive downloaded but I have no idea as to whether or not it is aaliable in p2p networks.

01-02-2006, 08:06 PM	#3
Romencer17 With a bullet in his back Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mountain View, Cali Posts: 51	If you check 911tabs.com, they chack through all tab sites, so there's still sites where it all works.

01-02-2006, 08:46 PM	#4
rockstr0001 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7	you know, the fact that they took the tab site off in the first place is absolute bs, they have no right to do this ****. I fail to see how tablerature and lyrical sites are breaking the law. Luckily I happen to run into a petition site where you can sign against this crap. If you want to help out go to http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/395593044?ltl=1135186124 and sign your name, we're looking for 50,000 people here, so help spread the word.

01-02-2006, 09:40 PM	#5
Zeta Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1	Is this why I can no longer reach MXTabs?

01-03-2006, 11:30 AM	#9
Kvist Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4	I believe that tab sites are often considered illegal because some ****heads just tab of their bought books, and not tabbing their own versions, that is, obviously, against copyright laws, and why not, really, they ARE stealing other peoples work... So I'd say, if everybody just posted their own stuff, there would be no problem.

01-03-2006, 12:49 PM	#10
zfmt Sonor Natural Finish Club Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: smiths falls Posts: 501	Woah, I had no idea this was happening. Okay so what I've gathered so far is that tab sites are being shut down because if you learn the songs then thats just as bad as downloading them?? OKay, I am going to **** my pants if thats whats going on. Please can someone link me or just tell me where I can get info on whats happening. Thanks

01-04-2006, 01:02 PM	#12
Pesnja !~ Dalai Lama Land ~! Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 8	If the bands don't want their music being played by adoring fans, then why bother making it? People will find a way to play their music through some other medium labeled "illegal." Why should I pay $10.95 for the tablature sheets when I just spend $14.99 on their CD? The MPA can back off - as can Jack Thompson for screwing up my video games. True, the bands did copyright their music. Read the CD copyrights "No public performance" so...Playing some Jimi Hendrix bass lines in the seclusion of my bed room is now a "public performance?" Well, if you count Mr. Cosby on the TV and my cat that's crashed out on the bed, I guess it is. In reality all they're doing is screwing us over because their vapid lives are finally getting to them.

01-04-2006, 01:05 PM	#13
Amicicide Born to Hunt Dinosaurs Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Caledonia, ON Posts: 1	I still don't see why they can shut down tab sites when the tabs are out own interpritation of the song. It doesn't make any sense to me, that's like someone's opinion being illigal. What kind of legal action can they take anyway? Bloody goverment is filled with money grubbing morons who think they can supress our opinions... the only good I see coming out of this is that I won't hear 10 year olds butchering good songs because they found them on tab sites... but still. This is BS.

01-04-2006, 01:42 PM	#14
booner Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 8	here is place to sign, i think its at like 7500 people, and rising fast! disgusted at this action, should all sue MPa for loss of property (tablatures) http://www.petitiononline.com/mioti/petition-sign.html?

01-04-2006, 02:57 PM	#15
Rush30 Fender/Gibson Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 54	i was on ultimateguitar.com this morning (Jan.4) and it was working fine....

01-04-2006, 08:19 PM	#19
Valcoramizer Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2	http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:8RS1th86Er0J:www.mxtabs.net/tab_versions.php%3Fpath%3DGuitar,l,708,Led%2BZeppelin,Stairway%2BTo%2BHeaven,103605++site:www.mxtabs.net+stairway+to+heaven&hl=en there's an example of what you can find.

01-23-2006, 11:40 PM	#20
ToggleSwitch Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1	Hello everyone, Im a rage Fan <<< and Mxtabs.. had a great GREAT Bullet in the Head Live.. Off of the Live and Rare Cd.. and I can not find one Blasted.. Tab that is Like it.. And I really really need that tab Cause, I forgot one Part.. So.. if anyone Out there Know where I can grab that Live and Rare Bullet In The Head Tab, Forever I will love haha, So... Please help me.