best jazz rhythm section

dj_ando · 10-18-2005, 12:46 AM

who would you give your vote to? i guess at the moment i'd say the standards trio (keith jarrett, gary peac0ck jack dejohnette), but it's a tough one! miles' one in the mid 60s was a killer too, with herbie hanc0ck ron carter, tony williams.

10-18-2005, 02:00 AM

Oh, hands down Tony, Ron, and Herbie. They were an unbeatable team and it's unfortunate Tony has passed, because the musicianship between the three of them never was or will be surpassed. I have learned so much about playing jazz by just listening to those three together. It doesn't matter who else they were playing with, whether it was Miles/Wayne, Wayne/Freddie, George Goleman/Freddie, just Freddie, Wynton Marsalis... well I could go on for about a page but you get the idea... they were always amazing and never ceased to use every ounce of musicianship within themselves at every moment of their playing. There have been (and are) other great rhythm sections, like the aforementioned Standards Trio, and of course Paul Chambers/Jimmy Cobb/Bill Evans of Kind of Blue (my personal favorite of that era is the rhythm section of Milestones, with Paul, Red Garland and Philly Joe Jones), but no three (or four or five or six) musicians have ever been as amazing both technically and musically as Tony, Ron, and Herbie. To me, they are THE rhythm section.

dj_ando · 10-18-2005, 02:13 AM

good answer

as a drummer, listening to the way tony plays at just 18 years of age is nothing short of breathtaking. the way those guys interact with each other is truly phenomenal. just listening to four & more, and the way they can communicate so damn well when playing insanely up-tempo stuff is inspiring. they've got such a unique bonding, where you'd think they were triplets, they just know so much about each other's playing and they're all so aware of going on.

have you seen the 'one night with blue note' 1985 reunion concert? the three great men play a great rendition of cantaloupe island. all still in great shape too!

10-18-2005, 02:18 AM

Yup, I have it on DVD

Great concert.

Tony at 18?! That's nothing. He was playing professionally with Jackie McLean at 16. Hell, he was composing his own music and leading all-star groups when he was 17. I'm a drummer as well and whenever I read about Tony's life I always feel like I'm way behind, haha.

Caleb3221 · 10-18-2005, 05:44 AM

I agree completely Bryan. Tony, Ron, Herbie together never fail to blow me away. Though, I also have to give credit to a lot of Elvin's playing, there is some stuff of his that just can't be touched in terms of sheer intensity, on his stuff with Garrison/Tyner(And mabye a differnt rhythym section, I have a few recordings that I really like but don't know the name or the players of)

DemBonez · 10-18-2005, 06:45 AM

Billy Hart, Lonnie Liston Smith, Richard Davis, Reggie Workman, and Nathaniel Bettis.

dj_ando · 10-18-2005, 07:40 AM

dembonez, can you recommend an album?

DemBonez · 10-18-2005, 11:47 AM

Karma by Pharoah Sanders. The ambiance of sound those guys achieve is just surreal to me.

I've never really been big on bop/hard-bop rhythm sections, and because of that I can't really assess them. I will say that if you like the Jarrett/DeJohnette/Peacock trio you'd like Charles Lloyd's '60s quartet. It was Lloyd on Saxophone/Flute, Jarrett on piano, DeJohnette on drums, and McBee on bass.

***Det_Nosnip*** · 10-18-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Caleb3221

I agree completely Bryan. Tony, Ron, Herbie together never fail to blow me away. Though, I also have to give credit to a lot of Elvin's playing, there is some stuff of his that just can't be touched in terms of sheer intensity, on his stuff with Garrison/Tyner(And mabye a differnt rhythym section, I have a few recordings that I really like but don't know the name or the players of)

Yeah, Elvin was a phenomenal player. His work with Coltrane is some of the best jazz drumming, period.

Tony was another incredible one. Speaking of which...have you guys seen those old videos of the classic quartet on drummerworld.com?

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Tony_Williams.html

Amazing stuff.

Another rhythm section that I've really been digging lately that I don't think is given its due is the Bill Evans trio. I bought "Explorations" the other day, and am loving it....Bill of course was an amazing musician, and Paul Motian and Scott Lafaro ain't exactly scabbs at their respective instruments, either. I definitely recommend you guys check it out.

jazzfunkboy · 10-18-2005, 01:26 PM

my friend showed me mccoy tyner's rythem section for one of his cds- ray brown, elvin jones, and mccoy tyner. it dont get much better. check out "the real mccoy".

anything with jaco is absolutely badass. the rythem section on giant steps is pretty sweet, paul chambers is a machine.

Fatback · 10-18-2005, 01:56 PM

Bill Evans Trio......ANY incarnation.

metBANS · 10-18-2005, 03:00 PM

Tony Williams - Drums
Horace Silver - Keys
Joe Negri - Guitar
Mingus - Bass

Krabsworth · 10-18-2005, 03:39 PM

Count Basie definately.

Samuel · 10-18-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatback

Bill Evans Trio......ANY incarnation.

I'd agree to that, in principle.

Also, the Williams-Carter-Hancock set is amazing, as was Metheny-Holland-Haynes. Dave Holland's various quartet and quintet recordings usually sound superb as well.

dj_ando · 10-18-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DemBonez

Karma by Pharoah Sanders. The ambiance of sound those guys achieve is just surreal to me.

I've never really been big on bop/hard-bop rhythm sections, and because of that I can't really assess them. I will say that if you like the Jarrett/DeJohnette/Peacock trio you'd like Charles Lloyd's '60s quartet. It was Lloyd on Saxophone/Flute, Jarrett on piano, DeJohnette on drums, and McBee on bass.

yeah i really dig the charles lloyd stuff. i've only got one album - forest flower, but i really love it. really hip stuff, when i first heard about them i was really surprised that a jazz group could play with the likes of janis, hendrix, all the big 60s rock acts.

pipe · 10-20-2005, 11:23 AM

what about the Hancock-Clarke-Hakim section at montreaux?

Caleb3221 · 10-20-2005, 02:30 PM

Yes, Paul Motion is a player I have been getting into a lot lately, both his stuff with Bill Evans and his solo work I am in love with.

flyguy · 10-20-2005, 03:16 PM

Chick Corea
Stanley Clarke
Airto Moreira

Most tatseful rhythm section.

Grant · 10-20-2005, 04:45 PM

I never really liked Chick Corea. His playing is just too, well it just annoys me.

Lydisk · 10-20-2005, 04:51 PM

i agree...he is kinda childish

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10-18-2005, 02:00 AM	#2
Bryan Blakey Guest Posts: n/a	Oh, hands down Tony, Ron, and Herbie. They were an unbeatable team and it's unfortunate Tony has passed, because the musicianship between the three of them never was or will be surpassed. I have learned so much about playing jazz by just listening to those three together. It doesn't matter who else they were playing with, whether it was Miles/Wayne, Wayne/Freddie, George Goleman/Freddie, just Freddie, Wynton Marsalis... well I could go on for about a page but you get the idea... they were always amazing and never ceased to use every ounce of musicianship within themselves at every moment of their playing. There have been (and are) other great rhythm sections, like the aforementioned Standards Trio, and of course Paul Chambers/Jimmy Cobb/Bill Evans of Kind of Blue (my personal favorite of that era is the rhythm section of Milestones, with Paul, Red Garland and Philly Joe Jones), but no three (or four or five or six) musicians have ever been as amazing both technically and musically as Tony, Ron, and Herbie. To me, they are THE rhythm section.

10-18-2005, 02:13 AM	#3
dj_ando spizzichino for president Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: sydney, australia Posts: 349	good answer as a drummer, listening to the way tony plays at just 18 years of age is nothing short of breathtaking. the way those guys interact with each other is truly phenomenal. just listening to four & more, and the way they can communicate so damn well when playing insanely up-tempo stuff is inspiring. they've got such a unique bonding, where you'd think they were triplets, they just know so much about each other's playing and they're all so aware of going on. have you seen the 'one night with blue note' 1985 reunion concert? the three great men play a great rendition of cantaloupe island. all still in great shape too!

10-18-2005, 02:18 AM	#4
Bryan Blakey Guest Posts: n/a	Yup, I have it on DVD Great concert. Tony at 18?! That's nothing. He was playing professionally with Jackie McLean at 16. Hell, he was composing his own music and leading all-star groups when he was 17. I'm a drummer as well and whenever I read about Tony's life I always feel like I'm way behind, haha.

10-18-2005, 05:44 AM	#5
Caleb3221 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,664	I agree completely Bryan. Tony, Ron, Herbie together never fail to blow me away. Though, I also have to give credit to a lot of Elvin's playing, there is some stuff of his that just can't be touched in terms of sheer intensity, on his stuff with Garrison/Tyner(And mabye a differnt rhythym section, I have a few recordings that I really like but don't know the name or the players of)

10-18-2005, 06:45 AM	#6
DemBonez Bert Jansch! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Framingham, MA Posts: 1,194	Billy Hart, Lonnie Liston Smith, Richard Davis, Reggie Workman, and Nathaniel Bettis.

10-18-2005, 07:40 AM	#7
dj_ando spizzichino for president Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: sydney, australia Posts: 349	dembonez, can you recommend an album?

10-18-2005, 11:47 AM	#8
DemBonez Bert Jansch! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Framingham, MA Posts: 1,194	Karma by Pharoah Sanders. The ambiance of sound those guys achieve is just surreal to me. I've never really been big on bop/hard-bop rhythm sections, and because of that I can't really assess them. I will say that if you like the Jarrett/DeJohnette/Peacock trio you'd like Charles Lloyd's '60s quartet. It was Lloyd on Saxophone/Flute, Jarrett on piano, DeJohnette on drums, and McBee on bass.

10-18-2005, 01:26 PM	#10
jazzfunkboy So What? Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: US Posts: 2,519	my friend showed me mccoy tyner's rythem section for one of his cds- ray brown, elvin jones, and mccoy tyner. it dont get much better. check out "the real mccoy". anything with jaco is absolutely badass. the rythem section on giant steps is pretty sweet, paul chambers is a machine.

10-18-2005, 01:56 PM	#11
Fatback old funk meister Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: is everything in real estate Posts: 115	Bill Evans Trio......ANY incarnation.

10-18-2005, 03:00 PM	#12
metBANS Super Rad!!! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 101	Tony Williams - Drums Horace Silver - Keys Joe Negri - Guitar Mingus - Bass

10-18-2005, 03:39 PM	#13
Krabsworth Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: no Posts: 10,140	Count Basie definately.

10-20-2005, 11:23 AM	#16
pipe tonic man Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 441	what about the Hancock-Clarke-Hakim section at montreaux?

10-20-2005, 02:30 PM	#17
Caleb3221 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,664	Yes, Paul Motion is a player I have been getting into a lot lately, both his stuff with Bill Evans and his solo work I am in love with.

10-20-2005, 03:16 PM	#18
flyguy Percussion Specialist Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 590	Chick Corea Stanley Clarke Airto Moreira Most tatseful rhythm section.

10-20-2005, 04:45 PM	#19
Grant What Love? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Montreal,Canada Posts: 1,464	I never really liked Chick Corea. His playing is just too, well it just annoys me.

10-20-2005, 04:51 PM	#20
Lydisk Roskilde '07 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Naked City Posts: 9,429	i agree...he is kinda childish