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Old 08-06-2005, 08:11 PM   #1
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Hip-Hop Community, Rules and Essential Listening Thread

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2. No criticizing taste. You're welcome to say you don't like something... or to discuss why you don't like something... in fact we WANT you to discuss these things. But none of this "you're a backpacker lol" or "mainstream sux" jibber-jabber. It's played.

3. We don't care about crusaders trying to tell us about "real rap" or how all good rap is dead. This is a topic that only matters to people who don't know anything about the genre and we could really care less.



Essential Listening - aka, the only albums you absolutely need...

[2008] Black Milk - Tronic
[2008] Elzhi - The Preface
[2007] Pharoahe Monch - Desire
[2007] UGK - Underground Kings
[2006] Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
[2005] Lil Wayne - Tha Carter II
[2004] Kanye West - College Dropout
[2004] Madvillain - Madvillainy
[2004] MF Doom - MM.. Food
[2003] Charizma & Peanut Butter Wolf - Big Shots
[2002] Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
[2001] Jay-Z - The Blueprint
[2001] Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
[2000] Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
[2000] Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
[2000] Quasimoto - The Unseen
[1999] Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
[1999] The Roots - Things Fall Apart
[1999] Pharoahe Monch - Internal Affairs
[1998] Black Star - Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star
[1998] Outkast - Aquemini



Honorable Mention - Stuff people liked, but not absolute genre necessities...

[2008] Guilty Simpson - Ode to the Ghetto
[2008] Prolyphic and Reanimator - The Ugly Truth
[2007] Blue Sky Black Death & Hell Razah - Razah's Ladder
[2007] CunninLynguists - Dirty Acres
[2007] Dälek - Abandoned Language
[2007] El-P - I'll Sleep When You're Dead
[2006] Ghostface Killah - Fishscale
[2006] Lupe Fiasco - Food and Liquor
[2006] T.I. - King
[2006] The Roots - Game Theory
[2005] Common - Be
[2005] CunninLynguists - A Piece of Strange
[2005] Edan - Beauty and the Beat
[2004] Masta Ace - A Long Hot Summer
[2003] 50 Cent - Get Rich or Die Tryin'
[2003] Brother Ali - Shadows on the Sun
[2003] Dizzee Rascal - Boy in da Corner
[2003] Immortal Technique - Revolutionary, Vol. 2
[2003] INI - Center of Attention
[2003] Jay-Z - The Black Album
[2003] Jaylib - Champion Sound
[2003] Ludacris - Chicken and Beer
[2003] Outkast - Speakerboxx / The Love Below
[2003] Viktor Vaughn - Vaudeville Villain
[2002] Atmosphere - God Loves Ugly
[2002] Count Bass D - Dwight Spitz
[2002] El-P - Fantastic Damage
[2002] Scarface - The Fix
[2002] The Streets - Original Pirate Material
[2001] cLOUDDEAD - cLOUDDEAD
[2001] J Live - The Best Part
[2001] Nas - Stillmatic
[2000] Common - Like Water for Chocolate
[2000] Dead Prez - Let's Get Free
[2000] Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
[2000] Outkast - Stankonia
[2000] Reflection Eternal (Talib Kweli and Hi Tek) - Train of Thought
[1999] Dr. Dre - 2001
[1999] MF Doom - Operation: Doomsday
[1998] Big Pun - Capital Punishment
[1998] Devin the Dude - The Dude
[1998] Gang Starr - Moment of Truth
[1998] Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
[1998] The Coup - Steal This Album

The old "essentials" list. Credits go to Eliminator and Apocalyptic Raids:

East Coast
Gang Starr - Step in the Arena
Jeru The Damaja - The Sun Rises In The East
Jeru The Damaja - Wrath of The Math
Big L - Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous
Big L - The Big Picture
Ultramagnetic MCs - Critical Beatdown
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full
Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
EPMD - Strictly Business
Run DMC - Raising Hell
Afrika Bambaataa & the Soulsonic Force - Planet Rock: The Album
Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - The Message
Mantronix - The Album
LL Cool J - Radios
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low-End Theory
The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die
Gang Starr - Daily Operation
Mobb Deep - The Infamous
Genius/GZA - Liquid Swords
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing...
Black Moon - Enta Da Stage
KRS-One - Return of the Boom Bap
Diamond D - Stunts, Blunts and Hip-Hop
Black Star - Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star
Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
Ghostface Killah - Ironman
Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
Guru - Jazzmatazz
Brand Nubian - One for All
Nas - Illmatic

West Coast
Charizma & Peanut Butter Wolf - Big Shots
Quasimoto - The Unseen
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
NWA - Straight Outta Compton
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted
Snoop Dogg- Doggystyle
Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde
Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
Too $hort - Cocktails

Midwest
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
Common - Resurrection
Slum Village - Fantastic Vol. 2
JayDee - Donuts
Kanye West - College Dropout
Proof - Searching for Jerry Garcia
Binary Star - Masters of the Universe
Brother Ali - The Undisputed Truth
Bronze Nazareth - The Great Migration

South

UGK - Ridin' Dirty
Dead Prez - Let's Get Free
Dead Prez - Revolutionary But Gangsta
Scarface - The Diary
Outkast - Aquemini
T.I. - Trap Muzik
Devin the Dude - The Dude
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
CunninLynguists - A Piece of Strange
Count Bass D - Dwight Spitz









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This is open to any discussion* about any form of rap---be it Grandmaster Flash or Eminem, NWA or G-Unit, Dr. Dre or Mike Jones, whatever.

Everything rap-related is welcome*

* - trolling, flaming, or any other kind of rap-hating is not condoned

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Old 08-06-2005, 08:18 PM   #2
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Enough with the rap threads,wait nevermind its my choice to come to these threads and post my little newb opinion.
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Old 08-06-2005, 08:18 PM   #3
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The other thread is apparently only about "new rap", which is retarded.
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Old 08-06-2005, 08:21 PM   #4
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There should just be one thread, like this one and all rap discussion is put into that thread. It saves all these people constantly making the same thread over and over.
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Old 08-06-2005, 08:24 PM   #5
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That was my intention in making this thread.
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Old 08-06-2005, 08:44 PM   #6
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* - trolling, flaming, or any other kind of rap-hating is not condoned
And will get you banned, as per the rules of this subforum.

I'm very much looking forward to the new Blackalicious album right now. That's my rap comment for today.
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:26 PM   #7
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My rap comment for the day:

I'm very much looking forward to the new Kanye West album. I don't think he can pull it off. Hmm.
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:41 PM   #8
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*Gets out crystal ball.*

The new Kanye will have three or four good songs. The rest of the album will consist of bad skits and cocksure rants about how he's the best rapper/producer/gynecologyst ever. It'll go double platinum.
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:42 PM   #9
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*Gets out crystal ball.*

The new Kanye will have three or four good songs. The rest of the album will consist of bad skits and cocksure rants about how he's the best rapper/producer/gynecologyst ever. It'll go double platinum.
ahahaha

The worst part is you're probably right.
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:44 PM   #10
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I think "Last Call" might be the worst thing recorded. Ever.
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:57 PM   #11
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The other thread is apparently only about "new rap", which is retarded.
Shut the hell up.....its my thread.... you dont have to visit if you dont like it. So **** off!
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Old 08-06-2005, 10:02 PM   #12
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Shut the hell up.....its my thread.... you dont have to visit if you dont like it. So **** off!
I meant that a thread that talked only about new rap was retarded because it closes down discussion for a lot of other different forms of rap. Shitstain.
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Old 08-06-2005, 10:15 PM   #13
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Shut the hell up.....its my thread.... you dont have to visit if you dont like it. So **** off!
u tell him coolio
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Old 08-06-2005, 10:40 PM   #14
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My favorite rappers -

Dr.Dre
50 Cent
NWA
Kanye West
Sugarhill Gang
Notorious BIG
Snoop Dogg
Kool Keith/Dr. Dooom/ Dr.Octogon
Public Enemy

The one thing I dont like/understand about rap is how a word that was used just 40-50 years ago to mentally and emotionally degrade black people, and used when they were lynching them, is thrown around constantly like its nothing these days, by members of their own race. Also, they get soo offended when white people say it, but they can use it all they want.
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:46 PM   #15
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My favorite rappers -

Dr.Dre
50 Cent
NWA
Kanye West
Sugarhill Gang
Notorious BIG
Snoop Dogg
Kool Keith/Dr. Dooom/ Dr.Octogon
Public Enemy

The one thing I dont like/understand about rap is how a word that was used just 40-50 years ago to mentally and emotionally degrade black people, and used when they were lynching them, is thrown around constantly like its nothing these days, by members of their own race. Also, they get soo offended when white people say it, but they can use it all they want.
Then there are people who defend "nigga" and say it's a totally different word from nigger. blegh

Rap is great. Fuck those "u cant speel crap w/out rap lolo look im sow witty" faggots.
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Old 08-07-2005, 12:04 AM   #16
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What I've been listening to recently: In Alphabetical order.

Aesop Rock
Beatnuts
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Black Sheep
Blackstar
Common
Deltron 3030
Dizzee Rascal
Eminem (Marshall Mathers LP)
Erik B. & Rakim
King Geedorah
Kwame Boy Genius
Lords of the Underground
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early Nas
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Old 08-07-2005, 12:10 AM   #17
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As you can tell from my sn, I fancy myself a big Nas fan...even stuff like It Was Written and Nastradamus. I actually like all his stuff up til Streets Disciple.

Speaking of Mos Def, I got The New Danger and it's one of the worst albums I've ever listened to.

I'm still getting used to Dizzee Rascal...his accent makes his stuff an adventure, imo. And Rakim, what can I say? The man is a legend.
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Old 08-07-2005, 12:24 AM   #18
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I fancy Nas's first album more than the rest. And as for Mos Def, I liked Black on Both Sides best.

And yes, Dizzee Rascal's accent by itself makes every song interesting. It's something new. And I loved his Bjork-like samples on Boy In Da Corner.


I seriously only started getting seriously into hip hop like a week ago. hahaha.
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Old 08-07-2005, 12:32 AM   #19
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I'm getting into rap extremely slowly. There are some artists (namely Kanye and the Streets) who I obsessed over after first hearing them, there are others that I have difficultly liking but eventually grow on me (Common, Public Enemy), and then a whole slew of artists that just plain suck (50 Cent, Nelly).

But it's been an interesting experience so far and without MX I likely wouldn't listen to rap at all.

edit: Dizzee's accent is awesome.
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Old 08-07-2005, 12:33 AM   #20
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Well, Nas's first album is flawless, so it's not uncommon to like it the best.

As for Dizzee, I really like the song "Fix Up Look Sharp", which to this day remains the second best song ever that samples Billy Squier's "The Big Beat" (the best being Jay-Z's "99 Problems").
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Old 08-07-2005, 01:34 AM   #21
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Souls of Mischief is a dope group also. I hope you guys have heard their classic album "'93 to Infinity"?
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Old 08-07-2005, 03:27 AM   #22
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I'm a really big fan of Definitive Jux record label. Mainly due to El-P's incredible abilities as a producer. And each person is lyrically incredible. Cannibal Ox, Mr Lif, Murs, Aesop Rock, The Perceptionists, RJD2, El-P, and others are all in Def Jux. They are just the most talented label in rap history as far as i'm concerned.

I also like some old school stuff, Nas, Tribe Called Quest, Digable Planets, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, EPMD, etc...

I really LOVE Dead Prez's cd Lets Get Free, it's incredible. I listen to all types of rap if it's good, I even like Clipse's original album.
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Mekkalayakay you do know Viktor Vaughn, Madvillain and MF Doom are the same person?
 
Old 08-07-2005, 10:04 AM   #24
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I like some hip-hop....most of Eminem's lyrics on the Marshall Mathers LP are very, very well-written.

Kanye West is excellent as well.

The Roots are a good band, too. ?uestlove is a great musician/producer.

Wyclef Jean's song from Chappelle's Show was great, I'm looking for tabs for that song.

So, in short, hip-hop and rap aren't all that bad!
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Mekkalayakay you do know Viktor Vaughn, Madvillain and MF Doom are the same person?
Yup.


Anybody like Busdriver?
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Old 08-07-2005, 12:32 PM   #26
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Hell yes.

I've been listening to a ton of underground rap lately.

Sage Francis
Demigodz
Swollen Members
Planet Asia
Defari

...to name a few :-D
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Can someone reccomend me something similar to Public Enemy or NWA?
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Can someone reccomend me something similar to Public Enemy or NWA?
Eazy E
Too Short
Eric B and Rakim
Big Daddy Kane
Gangstarr
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What do people think is the best Buck 65 album?
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Old 08-07-2005, 04:22 PM   #30
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I've got a decent rap collection...my favorites are almost all Outkast, Nelly - Country Grammar, all of The Roots and pretty much anyone with okayplayer, Michael Franti & Spearhead - Stay Human is an awesome album, and pretty much all of my other favorites have been mentioned in this thread. I don't like hip-hop nearly as much as I used to but Michael Franti has rejuvenated my interest.
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