Blast Beats???

murderdoll666 · 02-19-2005, 10:16 AM

Iv heard alot of drummers talking about them but what exactly are they and can you give me some examples
thanx

redsquareblack · 02-19-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by murderdoll666

Iv heard alot of drummers talking about them but what exactly are they and can you give me some examples
thanx

This isn't an advanced thread.

But to get the gist of a blast beat, just take your basic Phil Rudd beat, (bass snare bass snare bass snare), and speed it up insanely.

LostInMusic464 · 02-19-2005, 11:23 AM

Basically any beat you hear in death/black metal.

TTTSNB · 02-19-2005, 06:34 PM

Blast Beats
These are beats mainly centering on an 8th or 16th snare beat. At really fast tempos, many drummers "cheat" by playing the 8th note kick parts alternating, rlrl or lrlr. This is done either because their double kick chops aren't very good, or because they cannot get sufficient volume out of the kick drums for them to cut through the music.
Here are the two most common blasts:

H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X—
S-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-
B-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-
This is known as the “Suffo Blast”, “American Blast”, or “Hammer Blast”
H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-
S—-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
B-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-
This is the alternating, or “European Blast”
You can also play this open handed or switch the sticking to lrlr
You can also have double bass 16ths in blasts, so:
H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-
S-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-
B-0000000000000000
Known as the “Cannibal Blast”
or
H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-
S—-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
B-0000000000000000
Known as the “Bomb Blast

One of the craziest blasts around uses a one handed roll on the snare with 8ths or 16ths on kicks and 8ths on the hihat
so:
H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-
S-0000000000000000
B-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-
Known as the “Gravity Blast”
You can also play quarters on the hats, or switch to the ride cymbal, play accents on the ride bell, etc, etc. The possibilities are endless.

isp_of_doom · 02-20-2005, 10:47 PM

well i think he just about covered it, lol. IMO their overused. still have their place in music though

darkavatar · 02-21-2005, 12:06 AM

that was actually really helpful. +rep

TTTSNB · 02-21-2005, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by darkavatar

that was actually really helpful. +rep

No problem man.

-Funky monk- · 02-21-2005, 03:24 PM

Yea i was going to ask the same question earlyer but i found another thread.

iliketoplaydrums10111 · 02-21-2005, 05:42 PM

Just check out Cryptopsy - Benedictine Convulsions

Or any Cryptopsy song, the drummer has insanely good blast beats

TTTSNB · 02-23-2005, 08:10 AM

Yeah haha. I heard that he plays one at 340 bpm on Cold Hate, Warm Blood. Apperently though, he becomes very inconsistent live.

Tyrnox · 02-23-2005, 08:23 PM

I don't know where you heard this, but Flo is a very very Good player, and I have seen 2 live cryptopsy shows and the both we're pretty tight. There we're some parts where it was a "little" off but nothing real bad. Pretty **** good for the insane speed they play at.

Meeko · 02-23-2005, 08:28 PM

http://www.extremedrumming.com/

There's a video there talking about blast beats. The sound quality sucks, but I guess it's a decent video. Click on "Articles and Video" and then look to the right of the page.

Hope this helped a bit.

zxt titanium freak · 03-02-2005, 12:25 PM

If you wanna see some crazy blast beats open up a p2p program and download a solo by Derek Roddy.

TTTSNB · 03-06-2005, 08:25 PM

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If you wanna see some crazy blast beats open up a p2p program and download a solo by Derek Roddy.

indeed.(would rep +, but no rep any longer)

poppinfresh · 03-06-2005, 08:36 PM

http://www.drummagazine.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=860&mode=thread&order=1&thold=-1

Flintfire3 · 03-09-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by the thing that should never be

Yeah haha. I heard that he plays one at 340 bpm on Cold Hate, Warm Blood. Apperently though, he becomes very inconsistent live.

340 eh?...do you really realize how atmoicly impossible that is. Who ever you heard that from may have been talking about 16th notes or 8th notes instead of 1/4 notes. It's ok tho, alot of people don't truly understand the concept of bpm

TTTSNB · 03-09-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Flintfire3

340 eh?...do you really realize how atmoicly impossible that is. Who ever you heard that from may have been talking about 16th notes or 8th notes instead of 1/4 notes. It's ok tho, alot of people don't truly understand the concept of bpm

No, trust me, it’s 8th notes. I’ve heard the song. The concept of blast beats, as shown in my guide is primarily a constant 8th note snare beat is absolutely insane. And no it is not impossible. It takes a lot of work to play those speeds, but it is not impossible. Anything can be done, it just takes a lot of work.

firefoxzero · 03-09-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flintfire3

340 eh?...do you really realize how atmoicly impossible that is. Who ever you heard that from may have been talking about 16th notes or 8th notes instead of 1/4 notes. It's ok tho, alot of people don't truly understand the concept of bpm

Hi everybody, this is my first post

I can play 25000000 bpm believe it or not

it's really easy writing things on the internet

Ahem, you'd assume the guy is talking about 16th notes so it would be 1360 bpm. Drumcanman's bpm record is something like 1440 and Hellhammer's working towards playing 1200 in clean singles (these are double bass speeds btw)

That's something to think about.

TTTSNB · 03-09-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by firefoxzero

Hi everybody, this is my first post

I can play 25000000 bpm believe it or not

it's really easy writing things on the internet

Ahem, you'd assume the guy is talking about 16th notes so it would be 1360 bpm. Drumcanman's bpm record is something like 1440 and Hellhammer's working towards playing 1200 in clean singles (these are double bass speeds btw)

That's something to think about.

Yeah. Personally, I think WFD is crap for the most part. I think speed is only good when it is played cleanly. Waterson usually plays pretty sloppily, also he plays heel toe, which is really easy to play fast if you practice it enough. Hellhammer is hitting those crazy speeds entirely with singles, which are much more difficult. Think about that.

kal77 · 03-09-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Flintfire3

340 eh?...do you really realize how atmoicly impossible that is. Who ever you heard that from may have been talking about 16th notes or 8th notes instead of 1/4 notes. It's ok tho, alot of people don't truly understand the concept of bpm

Once Derek Roddys website is back up have a search on "gravity blasts" in the forum. you'll find a big old thread and also some videos of people doing it.
I didnt believe either until I saw that.

02-19-2005, 10:16 AM	#1
murderdoll666 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 103	Blast Beats??? Iv heard alot of drummers talking about them but what exactly are they and can you give me some examples thanx

02-19-2005, 06:34 PM	#4
TTTSNB llRLRL rrLRLR Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 9,733	Blast Beats These are beats mainly centering on an 8th or 16th snare beat. At really fast tempos, many drummers "cheat" by playing the 8th note kick parts alternating, rlrl or lrlr. This is done either because their double kick chops aren't very good, or because they cannot get sufficient volume out of the kick drums for them to cut through the music. Here are the two most common blasts: H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X— S-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O- B-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O- This is known as the “Suffo Blast”, “American Blast”, or “Hammer Blast” H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X- S—-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o B-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0- This is the alternating, or “European Blast” You can also play this open handed or switch the sticking to lrlr You can also have double bass 16ths in blasts, so: H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X- S-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- B-0000000000000000 Known as the “Cannibal Blast” or H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X- S—-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o B-0000000000000000 Known as the “Bomb Blast One of the craziest blasts around uses a one handed roll on the snare with 8ths or 16ths on kicks and 8ths on the hihat so: H-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X- S-0000000000000000 B-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0- Known as the “Gravity Blast” You can also play quarters on the hats, or switch to the ride cymbal, play accents on the ride bell, etc, etc. The possibilities are endless. Last edited by the thing that should never be; 03-09-2005 at 06:42 PM.

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02-19-2005, 11:23 AM	#3
LostInMusic464 Headbanger #1 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,765	Basically any beat you hear in death/black metal.

02-20-2005, 10:47 PM	#5
isp_of_doom do not shoot the drummer Join Date: May 2004 Location: NZ Posts: 1,104	well i think he just about covered it, lol. IMO their overused. still have their place in music though

02-21-2005, 12:06 AM	#6
darkavatar Always and Forever Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 317	that was actually really helpful. +rep

02-21-2005, 03:24 PM	#8
-Funky monk- Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,523	Yea i was going to ask the same question earlyer but i found another thread.

02-21-2005, 05:42 PM	#9
iliketoplaydrums10111 poogas Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 14,338	Just check out Cryptopsy - Benedictine Convulsions Or any Cryptopsy song, the drummer has insanely good blast beats

02-23-2005, 08:10 AM	#10
TTTSNB llRLRL rrLRLR Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 9,733	Yeah haha. I heard that he plays one at 340 bpm on Cold Hate, Warm Blood. Apperently though, he becomes very inconsistent live.

02-23-2005, 08:23 PM	#11
Tyrnox R.I.P Schuldiner Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 99	I don't know where you heard this, but Flo is a very very Good player, and I have seen 2 live cryptopsy shows and the both we're pretty tight. There we're some parts where it was a "little" off but nothing real bad. Pretty **** good for the insane speed they play at.

02-23-2005, 08:28 PM	#12
Meeko Frkn' Loud Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Anderson, Indiana Posts: 397	http://www.extremedrumming.com/ There's a video there talking about blast beats. The sound quality sucks, but I guess it's a decent video. Click on "Articles and Video" and then look to the right of the page. Hope this helped a bit.

03-02-2005, 12:25 PM	#13
zxt titanium freak Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 97	If you wanna see some crazy blast beats open up a p2p program and download a solo by Derek Roddy.

03-06-2005, 08:36 PM	#15
poppinfresh MX big weiner haver Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: n00bzville, California Posts: 5,998	http://www.drummagazine.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=860&mode=thread&order=1&thold=-1