Classical Music

***Det_Nosnip*** · 02-09-2005, 01:38 AM

Hello.

I figured that, since the number of classical music fans on this board is probably rather minimal, and this part of the forum so musically diverse, that we may as well have a thread dedicated to classical music. That, of course, is the "layman's term" for all of the various historical periods, including Baroque, Romantic, classical, neo-classical, etc. So.....talk about classical music! Talk about/recommend your favorite artists, discuss the differences between styles/periods, even talk about your favorite modern symphonies. I know that the number of classical music fans on this board are small, but I also know that you're out there!!

I just picked up Bizet's "Carmen" piece on CD from my school's library, should be a fun listen.

Last week's obsession was Carl Orff; "Carmina Burana" is a fantastic piece of music! I was drawn to it by the "O, Fortuna" number, which actually appears on a Therion album (Therion is a classically orientated/symphonic metal band that uses choirs and soloists in place of a single vocalist). Very powerful music, I can definetly see how Orff influenced bands like Therion.

PianoDan · 02-09-2005, 06:39 AM

Ah, we had a classical music thread last year sometime, but it died away.

Classical (all the eras contained within the general genre "classical") is my preferred genre of music. I love it! It covers every emotion.

I own Bizet's "Carmen", I'll have to have a good listen tomorrow, as I don't know it too well. Carl Orff is alright, I enjoyed him when I was lent his CD a while back

At the moment I'm into a couple of records I bought recently, one including Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto in D minor and his Concerto for Violin, Piano, and Strings, also in D minor (written at ages 13 and 14 respectively); the other including his two Concertos for Two Pianos, the first in E, the second in Ab (written at 14 and 15 respectively). They are quite brilliant! So "Mendolssohnian". I'm not sure they're quite as good as the E minor Violin Concerto just yet - certainly not as well known, anyway - but they're still growing on me.

manuscriptreplica · 02-09-2005, 06:42 AM

Has anyone got any links to classical mp3's? It's a bitch to try and find them on kazaa

PianoDan · 02-09-2005, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by manuscriptreplica

Has anyone got any links to classical mp3's? It's a bitch to try and find them on kazaa

Here you go:http://www.classicalarchives.com/

Avoid the MIDI files, they sound aweful.

Have a field day.

manuscriptreplica · 02-09-2005, 08:24 AM

Thanks man. Steve Waugh

***Det_Nosnip*** · 02-09-2005, 11:38 AM

Yeah....so far Bizet is a bit dense and *really* long, so it was kinda hard to follow. I'm more a fan of the more compact, shorter symphony style than the huge, epic operas really. Operas seem to be more story driven, with lapses and musical interludes occuring every once and a while but prolonged vocal passages more the norm...which can get kind of boring. The opening sequence to "Carmen" was cool as hell, though, as well as the famous theme.

***Zappa*** · 02-09-2005, 12:03 PM

I'm very ignorant, considering where I should be. Some of my favorites are:

Igor Stravinsky
Aaron Copland
Edgard Varese
Maurice Ravel
Bela Bartok
Peter Tchaikovsky
Witold Lutoslawski
Richard Wagner
Claude Debussy

***Det_Nosnip*** · 02-09-2005, 03:40 PM

Rock....Tchaikovsky is actually a favorite of mine as well. His "March Slav" piece is absolutely brilliant IMO, very cool use of exotic melodies and nice emotional control. I've heard alot about Debussy...he's supposed to be a "lighter," more pleasant type of guy compared to the likes of Wagner, etc right? What you recommend by him?

Stravinsky is mentioned often as a big influence upon guys like Malsteem, etc, but I haven't heard much from him, either...yet. School Music Library =

.

ZEROthirtythree · 02-09-2005, 04:55 PM

Gustav Mahler!!!!

EDIT: And as for Studio Era conductors, I would say Robert Smith, who wrote "The Inferno" (Not the guy from The Cure)

Silvermedalmafia · 02-10-2005, 12:04 AM

Tchaicovski (sp?) is amazing. I hadn't listened to him in a few months or so, and the other day at school I started humming the music to "The Nutcracker".

Does anyone else have Glenn Gould's recordings of the Goldberg Variations (bach)? I have it and everytime I listen to it it blows me away.

Ned · 02-10-2005, 12:29 AM

I'm sorry, but a single thread devoted to the entire field is utterly absurd. Consider the time frame alone: (Western European) classical music spans two millennia, whereas as rock and roll--the various SUBDIVISIONS of which get their own FORUMS here--has existed for a mere five decades (a moot point for PianoDan, of course, whose interest in classical music seems entirely absorbed by the middle five decades of the nineteenth-century).

02-10-2005, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ned

I'm sorry, but a single thread devoted to the entire field is utterly absurd. Consider the time frame alone: (Western European) classical music spans two millennia, whereas as rock and roll--the various SUBDIVISIONS of which get their own FORUMS here--has existed for a mere five decades (a moot point for PianoDan, of course, whose interest in classical music seems entirely absorbed by the middle five decades of the nineteenth-century).

Seemed to be working fine before your post.

clown_phobia · 02-10-2005, 02:36 AM

Yngwie Malmsteen did a really good version of Beethoven's fifth symphony. You should check it out

02-10-2005, 02:40 AM

No, he totally butchered it.

***Det_Nosnip*** · 02-10-2005, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ned

I'm sorry, but a single thread devoted to the entire field is utterly absurd. Consider the time frame alone: (Western European) classical music spans two millennia, whereas as rock and roll--the various SUBDIVISIONS of which get their own FORUMS here--has existed for a mere five decades (a moot point for PianoDan, of course, whose interest in classical music seems entirely absorbed by the middle five decades of the nineteenth-century).

Ok. Create a few million threads for each individual period of music, and see how fast they sail off of the first page.

This would be more appropriate for an entire FORUM dedicated to classical music, but this is not...this is an off-shoot of MXTABS.NET. So, get off of your high horse, stop being pretentious, and talk about whichever artist from that whole 2 millennia that you feel about talking to. Or, HELL...if it really makes you happy, then you can go ahead and ONLY talk about composers from the "classical" era (maybe you could get away with neo-classical as well). Frankly, I don't care.

02-10-2005, 05:03 AM

What is everyone's thoughts on Concerto De Aranjuez by Rodrigo?.

I have encountered many people that think it is one of the greatest concertos of any instrument and it was been voted right up there in a lot of polls I have seen. I personally don't think that the guitar works well with the large orchestra.

Iai · 02-11-2005, 07:41 AM

I only know the Miles Davis version from Sketches Of Spain (providing it's the same piece). Which I love, though I imagine it's pretty different to Rodrigo's version.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ned

(a moot point for PianoDan, of course, whose interest in classical music seems entirely absorbed by the middle five decades of the nineteenth-century).

That was the best period!!

Anyway, I don't like much Classical music (Classical meaning, 1750-1820, or thereabouts). I adore the music of the Romantic era, though. And my appreciation of Baroque music has shot up recently, also.

PianoDan · 02-11-2005, 05:19 PM

On ABC Classic FM at the moment is a countdown of the top 100 Classical Piano pieces, as voted for in a large listener/reader survey.

http://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic100/countdown.htm

There's some beautiful music in that list! I'm expecting to see some more Chopin and at least two, possibly four Beethoven Sonatas to come in the top 21 (at the time of posting, the list went down to No. 22). I would have voted for Chopin's Ballade in G minor, which I'm really hoping to at least see in the top 21, but I suspect something like the Moonlight, Pathetique, or Appassionata Sonata might be No. 1; or Claire de Lune; or maybe Mozart's K331.

Also, three years ago there was a similar countdown of any classical music (classical - genre - not period).

http://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic100/previous.htm

The list had a few surprises, and some obvious classics right up there. I was surprised to see what was No. 1, in fact.

Thought this would make an interesting discussion point!

Arnstein · 02-11-2005, 05:52 PM

I love Bernard Herrmann and Hanns Eisler + many more! :P

***Det_Nosnip*** · 02-15-2005, 11:49 AM

BOOP!

(as if anyone cares) I recently read in an old interview with Christofer Johnsson, the musical mastermind behind "Therion," in which he discussed his favorite classical composers. Aside from a few obvious ones (Wagner, Orff), he also mentioned a particular liking for Tchaicowsky's "March Slav" piece, which was pleasantly surprising for me, because the piece has always been a favorite of mine despite being relatively unknown compared to his more popular pieces...I think I stumbled upon it by accident. Yay, Christoffer!

02-09-2005, 01:38 AM	#1
*Det_Nosnip* Coltrane minus Coltrane Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 16,531	Classical Music Hello. I figured that, since the number of classical music fans on this board is probably rather minimal, and this part of the forum so musically diverse, that we may as well have a thread dedicated to classical music. That, of course, is the "layman's term" for all of the various historical periods, including Baroque, Romantic, classical, neo-classical, etc. So.....talk about classical music! Talk about/recommend your favorite artists, discuss the differences between styles/periods, even talk about your favorite modern symphonies. I know that the number of classical music fans on this board are small, but I also know that you're out there!! I just picked up Bizet's "Carmen" piece on CD from my school's library, should be a fun listen. Last week's obsession was Carl Orff; "Carmina Burana" is a fantastic piece of music! I was drawn to it by the "O, Fortuna" number, which actually appears on a Therion album (Therion is a classically orientated/symphonic metal band that uses choirs and soloists in place of a single vocalist). Very powerful music, I can definetly see how Orff influenced bands like Therion.

02-09-2005, 12:03 PM	#7
*Zappa* Tatiana Ali! Supermod Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Alongside Posts: 9,992	I'm very ignorant, considering where I should be. Some of my favorites are: Igor Stravinsky Aaron Copland Edgard Varese Maurice Ravel Bela Bartok Peter Tchaikovsky Witold Lutoslawski Richard Wagner Claude Debussy __________________ "The present-day composer refuses to die"— Edgar Varèse "I don't want to sell my music. I'd like give it away because where I got it, you didn't have to pay for it"—Captain Beefheart Golden rule for music: "if it sounds good to you, it's bitchen. If it sounds bad to you, it's sh[i][/i]itty."—Frank Zappa

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02-09-2005, 06:39 AM	#2
PianoDan Soli Deo Gloria Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,605	Ah, we had a classical music thread last year sometime, but it died away. Classical (all the eras contained within the general genre "classical") is my preferred genre of music. I love it! It covers every emotion. I own Bizet's "Carmen", I'll have to have a good listen tomorrow, as I don't know it too well. Carl Orff is alright, I enjoyed him when I was lent his CD a while back At the moment I'm into a couple of records I bought recently, one including Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto in D minor and his Concerto for Violin, Piano, and Strings, also in D minor (written at ages 13 and 14 respectively); the other including his two Concertos for Two Pianos, the first in E, the second in Ab (written at 14 and 15 respectively). They are quite brilliant! So "Mendolssohnian". I'm not sure they're quite as good as the E minor Violin Concerto just yet - certainly not as well known, anyway - but they're still growing on me.

02-09-2005, 06:42 AM	#3
manuscriptreplica Chef's Knife Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 45 mins ago I was just a strummer. Now I feel like Clapton. No Joke Posts: 7,794	Has anyone got any links to classical mp3's? It's a bitch to try and find them on kazaa

02-09-2005, 08:24 AM	#5
manuscriptreplica Chef's Knife Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 45 mins ago I was just a strummer. Now I feel like Clapton. No Joke Posts: 7,794	Thanks man. Steve Waugh

02-09-2005, 11:38 AM	#6
*Det_Nosnip* Coltrane minus Coltrane Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 16,531	Yeah....so far Bizet is a bit dense and really long, so it was kinda hard to follow. I'm more a fan of the more compact, shorter symphony style than the huge, epic operas really. Operas seem to be more story driven, with lapses and musical interludes occuring every once and a while but prolonged vocal passages more the norm...which can get kind of boring. The opening sequence to "Carmen" was cool as hell, though, as well as the famous theme.

02-09-2005, 03:40 PM	#8
*Det_Nosnip* Coltrane minus Coltrane Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 16,531	Rock....Tchaikovsky is actually a favorite of mine as well. His "March Slav" piece is absolutely brilliant IMO, very cool use of exotic melodies and nice emotional control. I've heard alot about Debussy...he's supposed to be a "lighter," more pleasant type of guy compared to the likes of Wagner, etc right? What you recommend by him? Stravinsky is mentioned often as a big influence upon guys like Malsteem, etc, but I haven't heard much from him, either...yet. School Music Library = .

02-09-2005, 04:55 PM	#9
ZEROthirtythree Take Me Out Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Her eyes were as vacant as the seas Posts: 5,755	Gustav Mahler!!!! EDIT: And as for Studio Era conductors, I would say Robert Smith, who wrote "The Inferno" (Not the guy from The Cure)

02-10-2005, 12:04 AM	#10
Silvermedalmafia Goin crazy on Caroline St Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Neither here nor there Posts: 6,368	Tchaicovski (sp?) is amazing. I hadn't listened to him in a few months or so, and the other day at school I started humming the music to "The Nutcracker". Does anyone else have Glenn Gould's recordings of the Goldberg Variations (bach)? I have it and everytime I listen to it it blows me away.

02-10-2005, 12:29 AM	#11
Ned Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,572	I'm sorry, but a single thread devoted to the entire field is utterly absurd. Consider the time frame alone: (Western European) classical music spans two millennia, whereas as rock and roll--the various SUBDIVISIONS of which get their own FORUMS here--has existed for a mere five decades (a moot point for PianoDan, of course, whose interest in classical music seems entirely absorbed by the middle five decades of the nineteenth-century).

02-10-2005, 02:36 AM	#13
clown_phobia Mr. Jones Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,518	Yngwie Malmsteen did a really good version of Beethoven's fifth symphony. You should check it out

02-10-2005, 02:40 AM	#14
free_Aria Guest Posts: n/a	No, he totally butchered it.

02-10-2005, 05:03 AM	#16
free_Aria Guest Posts: n/a	What is everyone's thoughts on Concerto De Aranjuez by Rodrigo?. I have encountered many people that think it is one of the greatest concertos of any instrument and it was been voted right up there in a lot of polls I have seen. I personally don't think that the guitar works well with the large orchestra.

02-11-2005, 05:19 PM	#18
PianoDan Soli Deo Gloria Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,605	On ABC Classic FM at the moment is a countdown of the top 100 Classical Piano pieces, as voted for in a large listener/reader survey. http://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic100/countdown.htm There's some beautiful music in that list! I'm expecting to see some more Chopin and at least two, possibly four Beethoven Sonatas to come in the top 21 (at the time of posting, the list went down to No. 22). I would have voted for Chopin's Ballade in G minor, which I'm really hoping to at least see in the top 21, but I suspect something like the Moonlight, Pathetique, or Appassionata Sonata might be No. 1; or Claire de Lune; or maybe Mozart's K331. Also, three years ago there was a similar countdown of any classical music (classical - genre - not period). http://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic100/previous.htm The list had a few surprises, and some obvious classics right up there. I was surprised to see what was No. 1, in fact. Thought this would make an interesting discussion point!

02-11-2005, 05:52 PM	#19
Arnstein Devil Doll Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 13	I love Bernard Herrmann and Hanns Eisler + many more! :P

02-15-2005, 11:49 AM	#20
*Det_Nosnip* Coltrane minus Coltrane Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 16,531	BOOP! (as if anyone cares) I recently read in an old interview with Christofer Johnsson, the musical mastermind behind "Therion," in which he discussed his favorite classical composers. Aside from a few obvious ones (Wagner, Orff), he also mentioned a particular liking for Tchaicowsky's "March Slav" piece, which was pleasantly surprising for me, because the piece has always been a favorite of mine despite being relatively unknown compared to his more popular pieces...I think I stumbled upon it by accident. Yay, Christoffer!