*MUST READ* Definitions, Band Lists, Etc. for Hardcore and Its Subgenres

***DFelon204409*** · 02-09-2005, 12:06 AM

Hardcore is punk influenced music that sometimes has a heavier sound and sometime's doesn't. It sometimes have breakdowns and some don't, this depends more on the age of the band. Some are straight edge, some aren't. But most have honest sincere lyrics about issues that they themselves face and on socio-political topics.

Metalcore is obviously metal influenced and because they're of this there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.. Some say that it has punk influences...but that depends on what band you are talking about. Metalcore has a lot of breakdowns, most of which have the "JUN JUN JUN" sound which some double bass. Metalcore was a lot better a couple years ago before more and more band's started learning that you can tune into drop-C, use only thin picks, and get a drummer who knows his double bass. This is not to be confused with Crossover which will be detailed soon.

Hardcore bands:
Minor Threat, Gorilla Biscuits, Blood For Blood, Bane, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror, Dag Nasty,

Metalcore bands:
100 Demons, Bury Your Dead, Black My Heart, On Broken Wings, Hoods, North Side Kings, Walls Of Jericho, Clenched Fist, Throwdown

shaneitalian
Reiner

Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this category can also be known as Mathcore or Tech Metal, meaning they're more complex in the musical writings and tend to be more organized.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Carcass (early), The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, cock and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Dillinger Escape Plan, The Great Redneck Hope

Post-Hardcore
In the early-to-mid '80s, several bands in the United States came to life that were inspired by the do-it-yourself ethics and the cathartic, guitar-heavy material characterized by the hardcore punk bands that predated them. These newer bands, termed post-hardcore, often found complex and dynamic ways of blowing off steam that generally went outside the strict hardcore realm of "loud fast rules." These bands often used more than three chords and they also creatively built and released tension rather than airing their dirty laundry in short, sharp, frenetic bursts. Additionally, many of these bands' vocalists were just as likely to deliver their lyrics with a whispered croon as they were a maniacal yelp. Along with Hüsker Dü, Naked Raygun was one of the first U.S. post-punk bands of the early '80s that merged melodic influences with punk/hardcore. These were the first two bands (Hüsker and Naked Raygun) in 1981. With other bands in the Chicago scene such as the Effigies, Breaking Circus and Man Sized Action followed by later bands such as Fugazi, Quicksand, Dag Nasty and Mission Of Burma. Another important influence on many of these bands was U.K. post-punk from the late '70s and early '80s; Gang of Four, Public Image Limited, Joy Division, and Wire played a significant role in many of the bands' musical growth.

Sk8SkaNJ
Reiner

Emo definitions and list coming soon...

Emo
Embrace, Rites of Spring, Hot Cross, Saetia, Grade, A Day in Black and White, I Hate Myself, Indian Summer, Trophy Scars, Funeral Diner, Comadre, Song of Zarathustra, Moss Icon, Wallside, Native Nod, Spirit of Versailles, Amanda Woodward, Hoover, Still Life, Stop It!, Engine Down (their first CD)

Screamo
Love Like...Electrocution, Angel Hair, Antioch Arrow, Usurp Synapse, pageninteynine, Heroin, Clikitat Ikatowi, City of Caterpillar, Circle Takes the Square, Orchid, Neil Perry, Kaospilot, The Kite-Flying Society, The Khayembii Communique, The Vidablue, Portrait, combatwoundedveteran, lickgoldensky, Cowboys Became Folk Heroes, Joshua Fit for Battle, Jerome's Dream, You and I, Love Lost But Not Forgotten, Textbook Traitors. As the Sun Sets, After School Knife Fight, Welcome To The Plague Year, Off Minor, The Kodan Armada, Van Johnson, Majority Rule, The Assistant, Cobra Kai, Mara'kate, Hassan I Sabbah, The Now, I Would Set Myself On Fire For You, The Fiction, Wolves, The Red Scare, Get Fucked

Dance/Indie/Grind/Metalcore that is rooted in emo but is eclectic
The Blood Brothers, An Albatross, The Red Light Sting, Fear Before the March of Flames, Crestfallen, Envy, The Great Redneck Hope, Planes Mistaken for Stars

contributors:
DFelon204409
BuddyBigsby
shane_italian
cbmartinez
Reiner

Helpful site about emo that has a few errors, namely the fashion section: http://www.answers.com/topic/emo

Album Recommendations
The Top Metalcore Albums Of All Time

as voted by the forum

100 Demons- In the Eyes of the Lord
7 Angels 7 Plagues- Jhazmyne's Lullabye
All Else Failed- Archetype
All Out War- Condemned To Suffer
All Out War- For Those Who Were Crucified
Anodyne- Lifetime Of Grey Skies
Botch- American Nervoso
Botch- We Are The Romans
Catharsis- Samsra
Cave In- Until Your Heart Stops
Coalesce- Functioning on Impatience
Coalesce- Give Them Rope
Converge- Jane Doe
Converge- Petitioning The Empty Sky
Death By Stereo- Into The Valley Of Death
Earth Crisis- Destroy the Machines
Earth Crisis- Gomorroh's Season Ends
Every Time I Die- Hot Damn!
Integrity- Humanity Is The Devil
Integrity- Those Who Fear Tomorrow
Kiss It Goodbye- She Loves Me, She Loves Me Not
Poison The Well- The Opposite Of December
Ringworm- The Promise
Ringworm- Justice Replaced
Scarlet- Cult Classic
Turmoil- The Process Of...
Unbroken- Life Love Regret
Underminded- Hail Unamerican!
Vision of Disorder- Imprint

02-09-2005, 12:06 AM	#1
*DFelon204409* i want tha gold Supermod Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Francisco Posts: 14,901	MUST READ Definitions, Band Lists, Etc. for Hardcore and Its Subgenres Hardcore is punk influenced music that sometimes has a heavier sound and sometime's doesn't. It sometimes have breakdowns and some don't, this depends more on the age of the band. Some are straight edge, some aren't. But most have honest sincere lyrics about issues that they themselves face and on socio-political topics. Metalcore is obviously metal influenced and because they're of this there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.. Some say that it has punk influences...but that depends on what band you are talking about. Metalcore has a lot of breakdowns, most of which have the "JUN JUN JUN" sound which some double bass. Metalcore was a lot better a couple years ago before more and more band's started learning that you can tune into drop-C, use only thin picks, and get a drummer who knows his double bass. This is not to be confused with Crossover which will be detailed soon. Hardcore bands: Minor Threat, Gorilla Biscuits, Blood For Blood, Bane, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror, Dag Nasty, Metalcore bands: 100 Demons, Bury Your Dead, Black My Heart, On Broken Wings, Hoods, North Side Kings, Walls Of Jericho, Clenched Fist, Throwdown shaneitalian Reiner Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this category can also be known as Mathcore or Tech Metal, meaning they're more complex in the musical writings and tend to be more organized. Grindcore bands: Napalm Death, Carcass (early), The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, cock and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Dillinger Escape Plan, The Great Redneck Hope Post-Hardcore In the early-to-mid '80s, several bands in the United States came to life that were inspired by the do-it-yourself ethics and the cathartic, guitar-heavy material characterized by the hardcore punk bands that predated them. These newer bands, termed post-hardcore, often found complex and dynamic ways of blowing off steam that generally went outside the strict hardcore realm of "loud fast rules." These bands often used more than three chords and they also creatively built and released tension rather than airing their dirty laundry in short, sharp, frenetic bursts. Additionally, many of these bands' vocalists were just as likely to deliver their lyrics with a whispered croon as they were a maniacal yelp. Along with Hüsker Dü, Naked Raygun was one of the first U.S. post-punk bands of the early '80s that merged melodic influences with punk/hardcore. These were the first two bands (Hüsker and Naked Raygun) in 1981. With other bands in the Chicago scene such as the Effigies, Breaking Circus and Man Sized Action followed by later bands such as Fugazi, Quicksand, Dag Nasty and Mission Of Burma. Another important influence on many of these bands was U.K. post-punk from the late '70s and early '80s; Gang of Four, Public Image Limited, Joy Division, and Wire played a significant role in many of the bands' musical growth. Sk8SkaNJ Reiner Emo definitions and list coming soon... Emo Embrace, Rites of Spring, Hot Cross, Saetia, Grade, A Day in Black and White, I Hate Myself, Indian Summer, Trophy Scars, Funeral Diner, Comadre, Song of Zarathustra, Moss Icon, Wallside, Native Nod, Spirit of Versailles, Amanda Woodward, Hoover, Still Life, Stop It!, Engine Down (their first CD) Screamo Love Like...Electrocution, Angel Hair, Antioch Arrow, Usurp Synapse, pageninteynine, Heroin, Clikitat Ikatowi, City of Caterpillar, Circle Takes the Square, Orchid, Neil Perry, Kaospilot, The Kite-Flying Society, The Khayembii Communique, The Vidablue, Portrait, combatwoundedveteran, lickgoldensky, Cowboys Became Folk Heroes, Joshua Fit for Battle, Jerome's Dream, You and I, Love Lost But Not Forgotten, Textbook Traitors. As the Sun Sets, After School Knife Fight, Welcome To The Plague Year, Off Minor, The Kodan Armada, Van Johnson, Majority Rule, The Assistant, Cobra Kai, Mara'kate, Hassan I Sabbah, The Now, I Would Set Myself On Fire For You, The Fiction, Wolves, The Red Scare, Get Fucked Dance/Indie/Grind/Metalcore that is rooted in emo but is eclectic The Blood Brothers, An Albatross, The Red Light Sting, Fear Before the March of Flames, Crestfallen, Envy, The Great Redneck Hope, Planes Mistaken for Stars contributors: DFelon204409 BuddyBigsby shane_italian cbmartinez Reiner Helpful site about emo that has a few errors, namely the fashion section: http://www.answers.com/topic/emo Album Recommendations The Top Metalcore Albums Of All Time as voted by the forum 100 Demons- In the Eyes of the Lord 7 Angels 7 Plagues- Jhazmyne's Lullabye All Else Failed- Archetype All Out War- Condemned To Suffer All Out War- For Those Who Were Crucified Anodyne- Lifetime Of Grey Skies Botch- American Nervoso Botch- We Are The Romans Catharsis- Samsra Cave In- Until Your Heart Stops Coalesce- Functioning on Impatience Coalesce- Give Them Rope Converge- Jane Doe Converge- Petitioning The Empty Sky Death By Stereo- Into The Valley Of Death Earth Crisis- Destroy the Machines Earth Crisis- Gomorroh's Season Ends Every Time I Die- Hot Damn! Integrity- Humanity Is The Devil Integrity- Those Who Fear Tomorrow Kiss It Goodbye- She Loves Me, She Loves Me Not Poison The Well- The Opposite Of December Ringworm- The Promise Ringworm- Justice Replaced Scarlet- Cult Classic Turmoil- The Process Of... Unbroken- Life Love Regret Underminded- Hail Unamerican! Vision of Disorder- Imprint Last edited by Let's Chop Cats!; 08-02-2006 at 11:06 PM.
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