Zen and Drums

~~Jezen~~ · 01-09-2005, 09:35 AM

Yeh you older guys know that this is an old thread but it is probably worth bringing up seeing as the topics on D&P are all very similar these days.

For those that haven't seen this before, this is an art used by the Japanese. In effect it is supposed to instill a sense of curiosity in a students mind. This concept has been taken (along with a bit of humour) by Sonor Hilite,an old MXer. Not all the following zen koans were done by him.

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If a stick breaks and no one hears you do it did it really happen?

When using brushes do you get a cleaner sound?

If I use 2 sticks of different weights will I play in circles?

Can they (you know the're out there) still see in my head if I am surrounded by 25 of the biggest shiniest cymbals I can find?

If I turn my kit round to left handed can I play backwards?

If I mount my cymbals upside down can I get that cool zzzZZT reverse cymbal sound?

If I buy exactly the same kit and sticks as my drumming hero will this make me play and sound exactly like them?

If there were no gravity, and you struck a bass drum, would it ring forever?

If you strike a drum, with no head (not the shell, the actual part where the head goes (open space)) will the shell vibrate?

If you record yourself knocking over a cymbal stand, is it music?

How good does one have to be before what one is playing transmutes from "making noise" to "playing music?"

If one plays music stoned and alone, it is likely that he will play like absolute crap, but think he is playing like a god reborn. Is he playing like absolute crap, or like a god reborn?
(Kinda like a tree falls in the forest for drug-induced drumming)

If a tree falls on your drumset, is it a musician?

If you play with the thick end of the sticks does is make you a heavier drummer?

If you always arrive 10 minutes early does it make you a faster drummer?

If you do your homework on your snare, does it make you a smarter drummer?

If you shot the rim of a snare with a shotgun, would it sound the same as a rimshot?

If someone knocked you off of your throne, then were you really a king?

If you could fit your sticks on the head of a drum without the sticks touching the rim, then would they turn into Ahead drumsticks?

If you have a very good stool... are you on a good diet?

Are guys with huge drum kits compensating for something?

Are you still making music if all you do is use Whole Note rests?

What is the sound of one hi-hat cymbal pedalling?

Is Ginger Baker like coffee?

If nobody listens to Terry Bozzio, does he stop playing?

Why is the bass drum often referred to as a kick drum, when you do not kick it?

If you remove the bottom head but leave the snares on is it still a snare drum?

If you put snare wires on a tom does it make it a snare drum?

If nobody reads this, did I ever write it?

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Come up with your own and post them, it's quite interesting, and encourages thinking.......less stupid questions on forum.....

~Credits~

Sonor Hilite, drumsgetchicks, acid trip, wishiwasinweezer, Sonor3k1, Det_Nosnip, ASN, Mekkalayakay, PlayBoyHendo, DeXDRUMS, teamsleepy, desertcircus.

jaron2 · 01-09-2005, 09:43 AM

argh, this sucks.

Quote:

If nobody listens to Terry Bozzio, does he stop playing?

i had seen Terry Bozzio one time.
Now he is in The Netherlands, i want see him again, but i have a repetition with my band and it is the last before our concert (the next day)
that really sucks

Smurf38 · 01-09-2005, 09:44 AM

~~Jezen~~ · 01-09-2005, 09:51 AM

Quote:

argh, this sucks.

Are you saying the thread sucks?

Don't say the thread sucks.......

.....You will make little British Boy cry :'(

Just jokin

awww

~~Jezen~~ · 01-09-2005, 09:59 AM

Why is it called a ride cymbal when it doesn't actually take you anywhere?

Does Batman play his kit while hes upside down?

If you practiced your crashing technique, do you have a better chance of surviving a car crash?

If a stand is knocked over, is it still standing? Is it still a stand?

If you pumped gas between two layers of a drum head, is it a Hydraulic head?

-Funky monk- · 01-09-2005, 10:08 AM

lol funnny stuff man

xeonman9000 · 01-09-2005, 02:40 PM

Can a vented snare be played in hotter places than regular snare drums?

drummerdude9574 · 01-09-2005, 02:44 PM

love it, took a while tho

Der Meister · 01-09-2005, 04:06 PM

nice, very funny. Rep ++

vincethedrummer · 01-09-2005, 04:12 PM

If you have a very good stool... are you on a good diet?

Are guys with huge drum kits compensating for something?

Are you still making music if all you do is use Whole Note rests?

What is the sound of one hi-hat cymbal pedalling?

If you have a very good stool... are you on a good diet?

Are guys with huge drum kits compensating for something?

What is the sound of one hi-hat cymbal pedalling?

THESE ARE GREAT

Osiris X · 01-09-2005, 04:23 PM

Alot of this, I found quite stupid.

lpmeca · 01-09-2005, 04:35 PM

If you put crap in a snare drum would it sound "Crappy"?

Oh and as far as 1 hi hat cymbal pedal sound I already know. I have a crash cymbal mounted on a hi hat stand and out of curiosity I used the pedal it actually sounds pretty good and it kind of made the grip slip and drop the cymbal but i fixed it.

~~Jezen~~ · 12-21-2005, 08:01 PM

BB goes BUMP in the night....

Brokensticks · 12-21-2005, 08:04 PM

OSIRIS posted!

Great thread BB some of them are quite interesting.

~~Jezen~~ · 12-21-2005, 08:05 PM

Check his post date.

Ming-a-Ling · 12-21-2005, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by British Boy

Check his post date.

Yeah I almost did a spit take when I saw that until I saw it was in January

puppet.master · 12-21-2005, 08:13 PM

o god

thease a fukin hilarious
sadly when i was i noob
"If I buy exactly the same kit and sticks as my drumming hero will this make me play and sound exactly like them?"
i though that was true

Massik Kretal · 12-21-2005, 08:50 PM

Nice thread. Really funny.

FarFromElysium · 12-21-2005, 09:07 PM

what if "toms" were called "steves".

"I tune my floor steve the lowest out of all my steves."

~~Jezen~~ · 12-21-2005, 09:15 PM

^^^^

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh my god im laughing my head off over that!

01-09-2005, 09:35 AM	#1
~~Jezen~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,931	Zen and Drums Yeh you older guys know that this is an old thread but it is probably worth bringing up seeing as the topics on D&P are all very similar these days. For those that haven't seen this before, this is an art used by the Japanese. In effect it is supposed to instill a sense of curiosity in a students mind. This concept has been taken (along with a bit of humour) by Sonor Hilite,an old MXer. Not all the following zen koans were done by him. ================================================== If a stick breaks and no one hears you do it did it really happen? When using brushes do you get a cleaner sound? If I use 2 sticks of different weights will I play in circles? Can they (you know the're out there) still see in my head if I am surrounded by 25 of the biggest shiniest cymbals I can find? If I turn my kit round to left handed can I play backwards? If I mount my cymbals upside down can I get that cool zzzZZT reverse cymbal sound? If I buy exactly the same kit and sticks as my drumming hero will this make me play and sound exactly like them? If there were no gravity, and you struck a bass drum, would it ring forever? If you strike a drum, with no head (not the shell, the actual part where the head goes (open space)) will the shell vibrate? If you record yourself knocking over a cymbal stand, is it music? How good does one have to be before what one is playing transmutes from "making noise" to "playing music?" If one plays music stoned and alone, it is likely that he will play like absolute crap, but think he is playing like a god reborn. Is he playing like absolute crap, or like a god reborn? (Kinda like a tree falls in the forest for drug-induced drumming) If a tree falls on your drumset, is it a musician? If you play with the thick end of the sticks does is make you a heavier drummer? If you always arrive 10 minutes early does it make you a faster drummer? If you do your homework on your snare, does it make you a smarter drummer? If you shot the rim of a snare with a shotgun, would it sound the same as a rimshot? If someone knocked you off of your throne, then were you really a king? If you could fit your sticks on the head of a drum without the sticks touching the rim, then would they turn into Ahead drumsticks? If you have a very good stool... are you on a good diet? Are guys with huge drum kits compensating for something? Are you still making music if all you do is use Whole Note rests? What is the sound of one hi-hat cymbal pedalling? Is Ginger Baker like coffee? If nobody listens to Terry Bozzio, does he stop playing? Why is the bass drum often referred to as a kick drum, when you do not kick it? If you remove the bottom head but leave the snares on is it still a snare drum? If you put snare wires on a tom does it make it a snare drum? If nobody reads this, did I ever write it? ================================================== Come up with your own and post them, it's quite interesting, and encourages thinking.......less stupid questions on forum..... ~Credits~ Sonor Hilite, drumsgetchicks, acid trip, wishiwasinweezer, Sonor3k1, Det_Nosnip, ASN, Mekkalayakay, PlayBoyHendo, DeXDRUMS, teamsleepy, desertcircus.

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01-09-2005, 09:44 AM	#3
Smurf38 Groove-E Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 431	nice

01-09-2005, 09:59 AM	#5
~~Jezen~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,931	Why is it called a ride cymbal when it doesn't actually take you anywhere? Does Batman play his kit while hes upside down? If you practiced your crashing technique, do you have a better chance of surviving a car crash? If a stand is knocked over, is it still standing? Is it still a stand? If you pumped gas between two layers of a drum head, is it a Hydraulic head?

01-09-2005, 10:08 AM	#6
-Funky monk- Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,523	lol funnny stuff man

01-09-2005, 02:40 PM	#7
xeonman9000 Wacky waving inflatable.. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: York, England. Posts: 2,426	Can a vented snare be played in hotter places than regular snare drums?

01-09-2005, 02:44 PM	#8
drummerdude9574 Where is my mind? Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: lawrence, kansas Posts: 513	love it, took a while tho

01-09-2005, 04:06 PM	#9
Der Meister The Queen of France Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Paedoph Isles Posts: 5,412	nice, very funny. Rep ++

01-09-2005, 04:12 PM	#10
vincethedrummer Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 11	If you have a very good stool... are you on a good diet? Are guys with huge drum kits compensating for something? Are you still making music if all you do is use Whole Note rests? What is the sound of one hi-hat cymbal pedalling? If you have a very good stool... are you on a good diet? Are guys with huge drum kits compensating for something? What is the sound of one hi-hat cymbal pedalling? THESE ARE GREAT

01-09-2005, 04:23 PM	#11
Osiris X BaSa Custom Drum Builder Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,894	Alot of this, I found quite stupid.

01-09-2005, 04:35 PM	#12
lpmeca I'm gone, not coming back Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nebraska Posts: 972	If you put crap in a snare drum would it sound "Crappy"? Oh and as far as 1 hi hat cymbal pedal sound I already know. I have a crash cymbal mounted on a hi hat stand and out of curiosity I used the pedal it actually sounds pretty good and it kind of made the grip slip and drop the cymbal but i fixed it.

12-21-2005, 08:01 PM	#13
~~Jezen~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,931	BB goes BUMP in the night....

12-21-2005, 08:04 PM	#14
Brokensticks Sabian>Cymbals Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: B.C Canada Posts: 5,404	OSIRIS posted! Great thread BB some of them are quite interesting.

12-21-2005, 08:05 PM	#15
~~Jezen~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,931	Check his post date.

12-21-2005, 08:13 PM	#17
puppet.master Mx Dethlkok Fanclub Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,124	o god thease a fukin hilarious sadly when i was i noob "If I buy exactly the same kit and sticks as my drumming hero will this make me play and sound exactly like them?" i though that was true

12-21-2005, 08:50 PM	#18
Massik Kretal Myspace Private Pile! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 5,633	Nice thread. Really funny.

12-21-2005, 09:07 PM	#19
FarFromElysium FFE: The Revolution Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Yolk!!1 Posts: 208	what if "toms" were called "steves". "I tune my floor steve the lowest out of all my steves."

12-21-2005, 09:15 PM	#20
~~Jezen~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,931	^^^^ BWAHAHAHAHAHA Oh my god im laughing my head off over that!