PA system?

AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR · 10-31-2004, 10:09 PM

Okay i'm sorry if there is already a thread on this. Anyways i was wondering starting out as a band do u really need pa stuff cause we play good but we're missing vocals and we cant afford pa stuff. Also i want to get some pa stuff but i need some advice on finding some cheap stuff but good perofrmance. Anyways i'd appreciate your advices. thanx

Aus_rock_god · 10-31-2004, 10:44 PM

Yeah, a PA is essential if you want to practice at home. If you can't afford one, go to your local recording studio and practice there.

AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR · 10-31-2004, 10:50 PM

yea but for now we dont really need it like for the first couple weeks u know. and i dont think we have ne studios here.

Aus_rock_god · 10-31-2004, 11:22 PM

If you want to have vocals, yes.

StormX · 10-31-2004, 11:34 PM

or just plug the mic into a spare guitar amp, as long as the amp is loud enough. that'll save some money.

AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR · 11-01-2004, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormX

or just plug the mic into a spare guitar amp, as long as the amp is loud enough. that'll save some money.

how do u do that? i do happen to have a spare guitar amp.

Aus_rock_god · 11-01-2004, 12:06 AM

If your Mic has an XLR output (the big one with the three pins) ask your guitar shop for an adapter that goes from XLR to a guitar jack.

It won't work nearly as well as a PA, and the Amp needs to be of greater wattage than your guitar amps (common sence, otherwise you won't be able to hear yourselves).

AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR · 11-01-2004, 12:11 AM

thanx well it be loud though

Aus_rock_god · 11-01-2004, 12:30 AM

probably not as loud as it needs to be. Vocals need to be louder than anything else.

11-01-2004, 01:57 AM

and, also, it will slowly but surely destroy the amp

Aus_rock_god · 11-01-2004, 02:40 AM

Depemds on who's singing through it. Their voice will need to be within the range on a guitar. A barrotone would kill a guitar amp eventually.

11-01-2004, 04:28 AM

no, i think it has something to do with the different waveforms of the two, and possibly the difference in Ohmage- a guitar is >1MOhm, whereas a mic is 600Ohm

Aus_rock_god · 11-01-2004, 05:27 AM

It wouldn't be 600 ohms dude, that's the ohmage of wood. Microphones have the same resistance as guitars. It's more to do with the fact that a guitar amp isn't exactly designed to handle the broad range of a human voice.

diesel · 11-01-2004, 01:26 PM

I think you have your ohms confused. The type of ohms that involve mics and guitars are Impedance, not resistance. The difference being, impedance is an object's ability to resist an alternating current. Resistance (in ohms) is just for DC (to simplify). So yes, guitars and mics may have the same resistance, but we're talking impedance, which is a whole different beast. (600 sounds about right for a mic, they vary greatly sometimes tho)

PS unless it's wet, I imagine wood would have a far greater resistance than just 600ohms

AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR · 11-03-2004, 06:27 PM

umm yeah thanx for all the lessons and advice but would this be good enough just for now.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/630130/
Would it be loud enough?
or this one
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/632200/
Which one is better or louder enough to go over the drums and stuff? Budget tight atleast i got one now so i'd appreciate your advices.

***Aes820*** · 11-03-2004, 06:57 PM

Either of those two should be alright. And should be plenty enough to be heard over drums.

AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR · 11-03-2004, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aes820

Either of those two should be alright. And should be plenty enough to be heard over drums.

but do i need a power amp for either of it or it just comes all ready.

***Aes820*** · 11-03-2004, 10:44 PM

It comes all ready to go.

10-31-2004, 10:09 PM	#1
AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 42	PA system? Okay i'm sorry if there is already a thread on this. Anyways i was wondering starting out as a band do u really need pa stuff cause we play good but we're missing vocals and we cant afford pa stuff. Also i want to get some pa stuff but i need some advice on finding some cheap stuff but good perofrmance. Anyways i'd appreciate your advices. thanx

10-31-2004, 10:50 PM	#3
AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 42	yea but for now we dont really need it like for the first couple weeks u know. and i dont think we have ne studios here. Last edited by AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR; 10-31-2004 at 11:18 PM.

11-03-2004, 06:27 PM	#15
AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 42	umm yeah thanx for all the lessons and advice but would this be good enough just for now. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/630130/ Would it be loud enough? or this one http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/632200/ Which one is better or louder enough to go over the drums and stuff? Budget tight atleast i got one now so i'd appreciate your advices. Last edited by AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR; 11-03-2004 at 06:29 PM.

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10-31-2004, 10:44 PM	#2
Aus_rock_god The AnacrusiX Project Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ballarat, Victoria Posts: 3,235	Yeah, a PA is essential if you want to practice at home. If you can't afford one, go to your local recording studio and practice there.

10-31-2004, 11:22 PM	#4
Aus_rock_god The AnacrusiX Project Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ballarat, Victoria Posts: 3,235	If you want to have vocals, yes.

10-31-2004, 11:34 PM	#5
StormX I love quilt maple Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Delaware Posts: 2,481	or just plug the mic into a spare guitar amp, as long as the amp is loud enough. that'll save some money.

11-01-2004, 12:06 AM	#7
Aus_rock_god The AnacrusiX Project Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ballarat, Victoria Posts: 3,235	If your Mic has an XLR output (the big one with the three pins) ask your guitar shop for an adapter that goes from XLR to a guitar jack. It won't work nearly as well as a PA, and the Amp needs to be of greater wattage than your guitar amps (common sence, otherwise you won't be able to hear yourselves).

11-01-2004, 12:11 AM	#8
AnGrY,yOuNg,AnD_pOoR Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 42	thanx well it be loud though

11-01-2004, 12:30 AM	#9
Aus_rock_god The AnacrusiX Project Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ballarat, Victoria Posts: 3,235	probably not as loud as it needs to be. Vocals need to be louder than anything else.

11-01-2004, 01:57 AM	#10
moaner Guest Posts: n/a	and, also, it will slowly but surely destroy the amp

11-01-2004, 02:40 AM	#11
Aus_rock_god The AnacrusiX Project Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ballarat, Victoria Posts: 3,235	Depemds on who's singing through it. Their voice will need to be within the range on a guitar. A barrotone would kill a guitar amp eventually.

11-01-2004, 04:28 AM	#12
moaner Guest Posts: n/a	no, i think it has something to do with the different waveforms of the two, and possibly the difference in Ohmage- a guitar is >1MOhm, whereas a mic is 600Ohm

11-01-2004, 05:27 AM	#13
Aus_rock_god The AnacrusiX Project Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ballarat, Victoria Posts: 3,235	It wouldn't be 600 ohms dude, that's the ohmage of wood. Microphones have the same resistance as guitars. It's more to do with the fact that a guitar amp isn't exactly designed to handle the broad range of a human voice.

11-01-2004, 01:26 PM	#14
diesel Border-Line Canadian Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The south end of the great white north Posts: 444	I think you have your ohms confused. The type of ohms that involve mics and guitars are Impedance, not resistance. The difference being, impedance is an object's ability to resist an alternating current. Resistance (in ohms) is just for DC (to simplify). So yes, guitars and mics may have the same resistance, but we're talking impedance, which is a whole different beast. (600 sounds about right for a mic, they vary greatly sometimes tho) PS unless it's wet, I imagine wood would have a far greater resistance than just 600ohms

11-03-2004, 06:57 PM	#16
*Aes820* Moderator Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Straya Posts: 18,109	Either of those two should be alright. And should be plenty enough to be heard over drums.

11-03-2004, 10:44 PM	#18
*Aes820* Moderator Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Straya Posts: 18,109	It comes all ready to go.