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adz_18 · 10-02-2006, 08:49 AM

oh yeah, someone on the other page brought up matthew bellamy, one of my favourite singers. As you suggest Merk, Knights of Cydonia is nothing overally spectacular vocal wise although it does get some awesome operatic sounding acapella stuff going towards the end there, ala queen. If you want to check out songs showing off his vocal ability check out "microcuts" (sings the entire song in falsetto), backing vocals of "megalomania" at 3min 39sec - 3min 42sec and 4min 13sec - 4min 20sec (again, awesome falsetto), but then "cave" particularly the chorus for power and emotion, as well as "citizen erased" and "hoodoo" which shows ability to switch registers often, with "hoodoo" showing he also has a good lower register and good vibrato.

Microcuts, megalomania and citizen erased are off their album origin or symmetry whilst hoodoo is off their latest album, black holes & revelations.

You guys should check it out, even if you don't like the music you'll still probably appreciate the musicianship.

Merkaba · 10-05-2006, 01:22 AM

Tireh is definitely talented. However I find the whistle register annoying usually....usually.

I'll have to check out more bellamy! Thanks!

Merkaba · 10-05-2006, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merkaba

Tireh is definitely talented. However I find the whistle register annoying usually....usually. Especially in R&B

I'll have to check out more bellamy! Thanks!

~~i am the robots~~ · 10-05-2006, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanc

I'm having a lot of trouble screaming. I've read tons of threads about it but I don't quite understand everything. It would be incredibly helpful if you could email me, because I don't get a chance to go on forums very much. My email is [email]ryan5012@hotmail.com[/email]. Thank you very, very much in advance.

did anybody take care of this, or should I?

fuzzyhair · 10-07-2006, 10:59 AM

I have been doing inhaled screaming a lot lately. I find it a lot easier to do than exhaled, and it doesn't hurt me at all (in my throat area). The only place that it kind of hurts is my chest area. Nothing severe or anything, it just feels like I have been running a lot. So is there anything I can do to warmup this area of my body?

Strat96 · 10-19-2006, 05:47 PM

I have been reading several pages of this and I don't know if this was covered yet or is completely on-topic. Has anyone asked about singing with a real bluesy voice? It's something I have been wanting to do for a while, but I don't want to go an mimic a recording because that usually doesn't get me anywhere. Are there any excercises anyone knows or any tips?

Thanks everyone!

adz_18 · 10-24-2006, 12:14 AM

Fuzzy hair, I'm not an expert but I'd say reread the posts merkaba made on vocal warmup and the exercises you can do. You may also be pushing too hard which could be causing the pain.

Speaking of screaming, merkaba what's your opinion of serj tankian from system of a down? I would think that his screams (particularly off the toxicity album) are the quintessential screams to listen to when learning. Listen to "Needles" off said album, some really good screams with clear enunciation (and at one point even chucks in a death metal scream as well). Basically all of his screams are pitched, ie. the note is sung but then a sh*tload of rasp etc is added to it. In a live performance of chop suey at the london astoria, in one breath he goes from an incredible sounding scream and then comes out of it doing some vocal acrobatics around and above the tenor C! His range is quite awesome, and his screams complement this a lot too (because they're actually pitched unlike all these metalcore and screamo vocalists)... oh, and the guy can actually "sing" aswell... SOAD are at their best when malakian is harmonising with serj (something about harmonious/melodic vocals with heavy music just words for me)

Merkaba · 10-26-2006, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adz_18

Fuzzy hair, I'm not an expert but I'd say reread the posts merkaba made on vocal warmup and the exercises you can do. You may also be pushing too hard which could be causing the pain.

Speaking of screaming, merkaba what's your opinion of serj tankian from system of a down? I would think that his screams (particularly off the toxicity album) are the quintessential screams to listen to when learning. Listen to "Needles" off said album, some really good screams with clear enunciation (and at one point even chucks in a death metal scream as well). Basically all of his screams are pitched, ie. the note is sung but then a sh*tload of rasp etc is added to it. In a live performance of chop suey at the london astoria, in one breath he goes from an incredible sounding scream and then comes out of it doing some vocal acrobatics around and above the tenor C! His range is quite awesome, and his screams complement this a lot too (because they're actually pitched unlike all these metalcore and screamo vocalists)... oh, and the guy can actually "sing" aswell... SOAD are at their best when malakian is harmonising with serj (something about harmonious/melodic vocals with heavy music just words for me)

yea I know of serj a bit. I really like arials I think it was...and a few others but not really a big fan some I'm not sure. I didnt know he was belting a tenor C though. But I did know just from memory that he does have a big true range but his voice doesnt seem to rest too low so he's probably already set up for it. I'll go youtubing for some samples......couldnt find any of that astoria. sure it wasnt a falsetto though?

Joseph India · 10-26-2006, 05:36 PM

Hey
I've been reading the lessons for a while now.
I don't scream when singing, but recently I've been reading the screaming lessons because I started trying this technique where you scream into a saxophone to get a sort of rasp/growl out of it.
I do warm-ups and downs, but I don't really practice screaming NOTES because I don't actually think about what note I hit (you can't even hear it over the sax anyways). I use a scream kind of like a kid crying really hard, it's a very annoying sound by itself.
So my question is:
Is it going to hurt me if I don't really practice screaming notes?

adz_18 · 10-27-2006, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merkaba

yea I know of serj a bit. I really like arials I think it was...and a few others but not really a big fan some I'm not sure. I didnt know he was belting a tenor C though. But I did know just from memory that he does have a big true range but his voice doesnt seem to rest too low so he's probably already set up for it. I'll go youtubing for some samples......couldnt find any of that astoria. sure it wasnt a falsetto though?

Ah k fair enough. Yeah Aerials is a cool song, very catchy but not one that really shows what he can do with his voice, neither is the instrumentation very difficult. Nah, it definitely wasn't falsetto. It's a shame, youtube has a lot from the astoria gig but not chop suey! From the same gig tho, check out 'needles' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ytz7evRbtz8 . high notes throughout the whole song, hits C# (semi tone above tenor C) at 2min 51 sec altho its very raspy (unlike the same note in chop suey which he does clean at that gig). Scream at 2min 35sec is pretty fkn good too. the song sounds funny here coz they cut out words, like needle and as$! wtf! who finds as$ offensive anymore?

Also 'science' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gim41ZRNnV0 shows a bit of his range and screaming capability. Particularly, at the 1min 41 sec and 2min 20sec.
On 'pyscho' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3KV9y4D55E at 39 seconds the screams are awesome, at 1min 22sec the singing is high/strong as it is at 2min 15 sec...

Here is the studio version of Question! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7f3hohhpEE featuring good harmonies, and the good old straight up tenor C in the background at 1min 35 sec

Ethan. · 10-27-2006, 03:45 PM

I don't know anything about singing, but people say my singer needs to get better and I don't know what to tell him. I think he's got potential, but he hasn't had lessons or anything.

So here's our band website http://www.myspace.com/theindustrync

What do you guys think he could do to help his singing? The song we like the most is Decline Of Western Civilization so tips for that song would be appreciated. And please don't say lessons... I understand how much lessons can help, but that's not really an option.

Oh nevermind I think I put this in the wrong thread

slpntrx5 · 11-07-2006, 09:49 AM

mkay, i know i've made about 3 billion of the same posts, but i'd just really like to know what i'm doing wrong, and what exercises or whatever i can do??? i promise this is the last time i'll ask. and just to make your ears bleed, here's a link:

myspace.com/faultytheband

adz_18 · 11-08-2006, 09:41 AM

holy **** you guys have to check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXBRvS7wa0

Best rendition of Bohemian Rhapsody I've ever seen, and considering they're Korean and can't speak English properly it makes it all the more amazing. yes, there are a few pronunciation errors, but it's trivial in comparison to the performance.

Seriously, you MUST check this out from start to finish. ****ing brilliant.

Merkaba · 11-08-2006, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adz_18

holy **** you guys have to check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXBRvS7wa0

Best rendition of Bohemian Rhapsody I've ever seen, and considering they're Korean and can't speak English properly it makes it all the more amazing. yes, there are a few pronunciation errors, but it's trivial in comparison to the performance.

Seriously, you MUST check this out from start to finish. ****ing brilliant.

Weemahkabul!

guitarro777 · 11-13-2006, 11:44 AM

Hi people,
I'm a male baritone (female would just be... strange) and I have a three octave range (and yes I do, I am a musician so i know about these things, and my music major opera singer friend tested me) and I was wondering how do you find head voice? I was told that the singer from Muse sings in his head voice a lot. Another favorite of mine is christians worship leader Phil Wickham (who might be unkown to you) but also sings in his head voice a lot. So what is the difference between head and falsetto, and how do I find it? This would be of great help to me, thanks a lot.
-Sergio

BTW I am learning to sing, so although I might have a big range, the higher end sounds not so good, but I am working on it, but I'm trying to learn all I can about singing.

Screamin_Demon_Auz · 11-13-2006, 03:39 PM

I'm pretty sure you are singing in head voice if your range is 3 octaves. The head voice notes will just be weak now because the muscles that manipulate the cords into head voice are weak. You need some training to build up your muscles to the point of being able to abduct properly into head voice and stay in that setting for however long you need to be (an entire verse of a song, a note or two at a time, etc.) You can also work on singing scales on GOT and making it pretty loud. That, as long as you aren't straining, will strengthen what is called the vocalis muscle which controls the vocal cord weight. If you strengthen that, you will be able to sing stuff in a strong head voice or mix of chest and head.

guitarro777 · 11-13-2006, 05:27 PM

If I sang in my head voice a lot, would it be bad for my vocal chords? Or is it just a matter of practicing and getting that higher range to be strong?

Screamin_Demon_Auz · 11-13-2006, 05:53 PM

Singing in head voice isn't going to hurt anything. Actually, its better for you to be singing in head because otherwise you are probably straining and pulling up chest which isn't good. You can pull chest voice up BUT you have to have a very good understanding of vocal anatomy and the correct way to push down (its taught in Melissa Cross's Zen of Screaming DVD; she calls it dump...you can probably figure it out by the name).

Just do as many exercises as you can to build up strength. I'm not really for illegal downloading of vocal programs, but i'm sure you can find enough stuff on eMule if you don't have any way to take lessons.

Merkaba · 11-14-2006, 03:28 AM

YOu need to do the rudiments. The boring stuff. If youre a baritone, youre gonna be near head at middle C on the piano. Certainly not chest voice. Maybe a "mid" voice but nothing lower. I would say any baritone would be in head by E. Baritone by definition is really NOT gonna get to the next B without straining. I would say around the G or A above middle C youre gonna start working around your falsetto break.

Noone is set in stone but this is a good place to start. Your lower falsetto can be very much like head. Just pay attention to the buzz at middle C. Middle C should be a strong lovely note for a baritone. Sing it and feel that buzz and tension. The "true voice" mechanism has your cords coming together in waves in particular shapes and speeds. Over a hundred per second. when you get to head voice youre still doing this just at higher speed So pay attention to the feeling and "buzz" or "ring" (which is the resonance of the vibratory pattern, and overtones, harmonics, etc) of this mechanism at middle C so you'll know whether or not youre feeling and hearing the same type of thing when you go up to G or A so you'll know that youre in head. You can't really sing falsetto early. Its not gonna happen. But you will have to relax and feel a since of letting go, "rolling up" or "flipping" into head voice. Its not the same feeling of straight out like mid and chest voice is. Some people skip over head voice because they can get this to happen, and you have to work to trick yourself into it. I don't think youre covering three octaves without access to your head voice unless you've got a hell of a falsetto. Remember three octaves of range is at least touching four octaves. Not just being able to sing three D's. But we've been over that before when people start saying "i've got five octaves" because they can sing into the fifth octave on a piano or something.

Falsetto is a result of pulling the cords thinner and not being able to keep them together vibrating in the wave. Remember to get a higher pitch your cords are thinning out and tightening in order to get this. So when you break into falsetto you've reached the end of your normal true voice mechanism(hopefully) and your cords are beeing pulled so much they cant stay together so the air is kinda cutting off the sides like a whistle, instead of making the cords wave. You will feel a difference and you will feel a bit more open. The sound is a tad more airy and the typical "girly" sound that guys make, i.e. Beegees or Prince.

Remember to think about the balloon. When you blow it up and pinch and pull the end to make it whistle and whine in various pitches. Thats basically how your cords are doing. And about the same relative thickness actually. http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911
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guitarro777 · 11-14-2006, 02:42 PM

Yeah I'm counting falsetto as part of my range though in this case. So I can sing 4 E's in this case the last E being falsetto. You're explanation worked well for me, also my friend sat down with me and gave me a voice lesson, and that really helped out a lot with figuring out head voice, and how to get into it and mix it and all that fun stuff. It's fun just to work on it and trying to figure things out.

10-27-2006, 03:45 PM	#851
Ethan. Once known as Freebyrd. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC <tron> Posts: 2,958	I don't know anything about singing, but people say my singer needs to get better and I don't know what to tell him. I think he's got potential, but he hasn't had lessons or anything. So here's our band website http://www.myspace.com/theindustrync What do you guys think he could do to help his singing? The song we like the most is Decline Of Western Civilization so tips for that song would be appreciated. And please don't say lessons... I understand how much lessons can help, but that's not really an option. Oh nevermind I think I put this in the wrong thread Last edited by Ethan.; 10-28-2006 at 12:46 PM.

11-14-2006, 03:28 AM	#859
Merkaba Play-Dough and Rug Hair! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: With Digger the Dermatophyte Posts: 3,967	YOu need to do the rudiments. The boring stuff. If youre a baritone, youre gonna be near head at middle C on the piano. Certainly not chest voice. Maybe a "mid" voice but nothing lower. I would say any baritone would be in head by E. Baritone by definition is really NOT gonna get to the next B without straining. I would say around the G or A above middle C youre gonna start working around your falsetto break. Noone is set in stone but this is a good place to start. Your lower falsetto can be very much like head. Just pay attention to the buzz at middle C. Middle C should be a strong lovely note for a baritone. Sing it and feel that buzz and tension. The "true voice" mechanism has your cords coming together in waves in particular shapes and speeds. Over a hundred per second. when you get to head voice youre still doing this just at higher speed So pay attention to the feeling and "buzz" or "ring" (which is the resonance of the vibratory pattern, and overtones, harmonics, etc) of this mechanism at middle C so you'll know whether or not youre feeling and hearing the same type of thing when you go up to G or A so you'll know that youre in head. You can't really sing falsetto early. Its not gonna happen. But you will have to relax and feel a since of letting go, "rolling up" or "flipping" into head voice. Its not the same feeling of straight out like mid and chest voice is. Some people skip over head voice because they can get this to happen, and you have to work to trick yourself into it. I don't think youre covering three octaves without access to your head voice unless you've got a hell of a falsetto. Remember three octaves of range is at least touching four octaves. Not just being able to sing three D's. But we've been over that before when people start saying "i've got five octaves" because they can sing into the fifth octave on a piano or something. Falsetto is a result of pulling the cords thinner and not being able to keep them together vibrating in the wave. Remember to get a higher pitch your cords are thinning out and tightening in order to get this. So when you break into falsetto you've reached the end of your normal true voice mechanism(hopefully) and your cords are beeing pulled so much they cant stay together so the air is kinda cutting off the sides like a whistle, instead of making the cords wave. You will feel a difference and you will feel a bit more open. The sound is a tad more airy and the typical "girly" sound that guys make, i.e. Beegees or Prince. Remember to think about the balloon. When you blow it up and pinch and pull the end to make it whistle and whine in various pitches. Thats basically how your cords are doing. And about the same relative thickness actually. http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911 Merkabas Voice-Help Hotline - Music & Musician Forums Last edited by Merkaba; 11-14-2006 at 03:39 AM.

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10-02-2006, 08:49 AM	#841
adz_18 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 37	oh yeah, someone on the other page brought up matthew bellamy, one of my favourite singers. As you suggest Merk, Knights of Cydonia is nothing overally spectacular vocal wise although it does get some awesome operatic sounding acapella stuff going towards the end there, ala queen. If you want to check out songs showing off his vocal ability check out "microcuts" (sings the entire song in falsetto), backing vocals of "megalomania" at 3min 39sec - 3min 42sec and 4min 13sec - 4min 20sec (again, awesome falsetto), but then "cave" particularly the chorus for power and emotion, as well as "citizen erased" and "hoodoo" which shows ability to switch registers often, with "hoodoo" showing he also has a good lower register and good vibrato. Microcuts, megalomania and citizen erased are off their album origin or symmetry whilst hoodoo is off their latest album, black holes & revelations. You guys should check it out, even if you don't like the music you'll still probably appreciate the musicianship.

10-05-2006, 01:22 AM	#842
Merkaba Play-Dough and Rug Hair! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: With Digger the Dermatophyte Posts: 3,967	Tireh is definitely talented. However I find the whistle register annoying usually....usually. I'll have to check out more bellamy! Thanks!

10-07-2006, 10:59 AM	#845
fuzzyhair Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: America Posts: 3,588	I have been doing inhaled screaming a lot lately. I find it a lot easier to do than exhaled, and it doesn't hurt me at all (in my throat area). The only place that it kind of hurts is my chest area. Nothing severe or anything, it just feels like I have been running a lot. So is there anything I can do to warmup this area of my body?

10-19-2006, 05:47 PM	#846
Strat96 Musician Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1	I have been reading several pages of this and I don't know if this was covered yet or is completely on-topic. Has anyone asked about singing with a real bluesy voice? It's something I have been wanting to do for a while, but I don't want to go an mimic a recording because that usually doesn't get me anywhere. Are there any excercises anyone knows or any tips? Thanks everyone!

10-24-2006, 12:14 AM	#847
adz_18 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 37	Fuzzy hair, I'm not an expert but I'd say reread the posts merkaba made on vocal warmup and the exercises you can do. You may also be pushing too hard which could be causing the pain. Speaking of screaming, merkaba what's your opinion of serj tankian from system of a down? I would think that his screams (particularly off the toxicity album) are the quintessential screams to listen to when learning. Listen to "Needles" off said album, some really good screams with clear enunciation (and at one point even chucks in a death metal scream as well). Basically all of his screams are pitched, ie. the note is sung but then a sh*tload of rasp etc is added to it. In a live performance of chop suey at the london astoria, in one breath he goes from an incredible sounding scream and then comes out of it doing some vocal acrobatics around and above the tenor C! His range is quite awesome, and his screams complement this a lot too (because they're actually pitched unlike all these metalcore and screamo vocalists)... oh, and the guy can actually "sing" aswell... SOAD are at their best when malakian is harmonising with serj (something about harmonious/melodic vocals with heavy music just words for me)

10-26-2006, 05:36 PM	#849
Joseph India fella Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 234	Hey I've been reading the lessons for a while now. I don't scream when singing, but recently I've been reading the screaming lessons because I started trying this technique where you scream into a saxophone to get a sort of rasp/growl out of it. I do warm-ups and downs, but I don't really practice screaming NOTES because I don't actually think about what note I hit (you can't even hear it over the sax anyways). I use a scream kind of like a kid crying really hard, it's a very annoying sound by itself. So my question is: Is it going to hurt me if I don't really practice screaming notes?

11-07-2006, 09:49 AM	#852
slpntrx5 what up? Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Posts: 1,207	mkay, i know i've made about 3 billion of the same posts, but i'd just really like to know what i'm doing wrong, and what exercises or whatever i can do??? i promise this is the last time i'll ask. and just to make your ears bleed, here's a link: myspace.com/faultytheband

11-08-2006, 09:41 AM	#853
adz_18 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 37	holy ** you guys have to check this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXBRvS7wa0 Best rendition of Bohemian Rhapsody I've ever seen, and considering they're Korean and can't speak English properly it makes it all the more amazing. yes, there are a few pronunciation errors, but it's trivial in comparison to the performance. Seriously, you MUST check this out from start to finish. **ing brilliant.

11-13-2006, 11:44 AM	#855
guitarro777 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 18	Hi people, I'm a male baritone (female would just be... strange) and I have a three octave range (and yes I do, I am a musician so i know about these things, and my music major opera singer friend tested me) and I was wondering how do you find head voice? I was told that the singer from Muse sings in his head voice a lot. Another favorite of mine is christians worship leader Phil Wickham (who might be unkown to you) but also sings in his head voice a lot. So what is the difference between head and falsetto, and how do I find it? This would be of great help to me, thanks a lot. -Sergio BTW I am learning to sing, so although I might have a big range, the higher end sounds not so good, but I am working on it, but I'm trying to learn all I can about singing.

11-13-2006, 03:39 PM	#856
Screamin_Demon_Auz Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 458	I'm pretty sure you are singing in head voice if your range is 3 octaves. The head voice notes will just be weak now because the muscles that manipulate the cords into head voice are weak. You need some training to build up your muscles to the point of being able to abduct properly into head voice and stay in that setting for however long you need to be (an entire verse of a song, a note or two at a time, etc.) You can also work on singing scales on GOT and making it pretty loud. That, as long as you aren't straining, will strengthen what is called the vocalis muscle which controls the vocal cord weight. If you strengthen that, you will be able to sing stuff in a strong head voice or mix of chest and head.

11-13-2006, 05:27 PM	#857
guitarro777 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 18	If I sang in my head voice a lot, would it be bad for my vocal chords? Or is it just a matter of practicing and getting that higher range to be strong?

11-13-2006, 05:53 PM	#858
Screamin_Demon_Auz Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 458	Singing in head voice isn't going to hurt anything. Actually, its better for you to be singing in head because otherwise you are probably straining and pulling up chest which isn't good. You can pull chest voice up BUT you have to have a very good understanding of vocal anatomy and the correct way to push down (its taught in Melissa Cross's Zen of Screaming DVD; she calls it dump...you can probably figure it out by the name). Just do as many exercises as you can to build up strength. I'm not really for illegal downloading of vocal programs, but i'm sure you can find enough stuff on eMule if you don't have any way to take lessons.

11-14-2006, 02:42 PM	#860
guitarro777 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 18	Yeah I'm counting falsetto as part of my range though in this case. So I can sing 4 E's in this case the last E being falsetto. You're explanation worked well for me, also my friend sat down with me and gave me a voice lesson, and that really helped out a lot with figuring out head voice, and how to get into it and mix it and all that fun stuff. It's fun just to work on it and trying to figure things out.