How do u scream? There is no vocal forums here.

[schecterguy89]

Well my band wants me to scream, and I really dont nkow how. Can someone help me? Im lookin for like a deftones feel.

[ambush]

Search the Lessons and Articles Forum.

[Reflection]

I think there's lots of singing/screaming tips in The Jam Session forum. Go check it out. Lots of techniques etc.

[SonorKen]

Yea, the Jam session is where ya need to be. I'll move it for ya.. Welcome to the forum as well....SFK.

[SilenceNOmorE]

There's a singing forum isn't there?

[Merkaba]

Originally Posted by SilenceNOmorE

There's a singing forum isn't there?

no , not to my knowledge, but there should be. Im a singer. i cant really play any instrument well enough to be able to coach, but i can sing. I posted last week about maybe making a singing section. I suggest we make one...moderators??????

[Merkaba]

Well i tell ya what, to make your road as easy and as Quick as possible. Trust me, go ahead and let your ego run away. you must....MUST warm up. especially if youre trying to learn any new vocal technique. Not just because you might blow something out, and cause permanent weakening, scarring, etc. but because the vocal cords do way more work than most people know, and they have to be activated, energized. like a circuit. and by the way, Chino from deftones last year paralyzed one cord and partially paralyzed the other. he just went overboard too much and it caught up with him after a show. he woke up the next day in severe pain. chino drinks and smokes and doesnt warm up. after two weeks or so off tour, no shows, pain,medication and the threat of an ended career his doctor told him to cut back on the alcohol, (surprisingly very bad for your cords, due to mucuous) and of course the cigs, and told him to warm up. some people think its cool that they dont have to , or just dont. but if youre serious about your career and growth as a singer you will warm up.

The thing about screaming is that the rasp , especially like chino, mudvayne, LP, etc., comes from extra air passing the cords and hitting the back of the throat. The thing is you must first be able to sing that note/tone first. then over time you gain enough ability to be able to push more air past the cords to where the extra air scrapes your throat giving you that blasted sound. It DOES NOT come from the vocal cords and never ever should. you should be able to scratch any note as a rock singer, its all about moving the back of your throat enough to scrape without closing your throat. closing off causes more pressure against the cords, the air cant escape, and it fatigues the cords. if you want to scream high notes, you must sing them first. falsetto, those high airy notes dont use the cords in the same manner and takes a different feel.
THe thing is that you must learn to isolate your vocal cord muscles from your throat/pharynx muscles. the easiest way (and to show what i mean) is to practice singing a song and not moving the mouth or making faces. just sing the song with your mouth opening and closing enough to make the sounds. dont make any faces or raise any eybrows or anything. just open your mouth and sing a song as blank faced as possible and dont move any part of your body. then try to add the different sounds and tones the same way. over time you can realize the feeling of what changes notes and what doesnt. then do the same thing while singing and only using vowels for the words. not the words. sing a verse just saying Ay's....then EE's, then O...then U...then ahhh...trust me it helps. you should also be able to scratch a note at about 50 percent effort. you shouldnt have to push hard to get scratch on a tone. a secret is to listen to Wonderful world by Louis Armstrong. sing it without moving the mouth much. you will get the feeling of what it takes to hit air on your throat while still holding tone. youre basically gonna have to find this spot to scream(safely). youre basically trying to get your vocal cords strong enough to be able to hold the same shape while having more air(resistance) pushed on them....this extra air scrapes the throat. its as simple at that. so try to get the sound without pushing as hard. you shouldnt have to push that hard. then work your way up to higher notes. if your voice breaks repeatedly move to a lower note . the higher the note, the thinner your cords, so you have less surface area to connect and energize. you dont want to push too hard while youre thin. again, you have to get the muscles strong enough to support and energize at one note before working with another. you cant lift a hundred pounds if you cant lift five. once you move into falsetto or very high notes, its more airy and takes a very open throat.

go find louis armstrong, that is the feeling you wan

sing loud hah's...Hah!...hah...hah....forcefully....it helps strengthen.
when youre done for the day you should warm down....singing higher notes flowing down continuously to lower notes with one breath. I forget what thats called, but its what you would hear a singer doing. One breath flowing high to low. do each vowel a few times. highest you can get to lowest. then do EEEs....at normal singing tone and octave. warm down for at least two minutes or so. it helps realign the cords, which helps them not want to produce mucuous which is your biggest singing enemy, trust me. More on that later.
If you EVER feel pain stop that action immediately. the macho no pain no gain crap is false here. if your speaking voice is altered youre also singing incorrectly. not to pull my own chain but i have gotten to the point where i can do various singing including mudvayne, deftones, tool, etc...for like two to three hours, with no pain, and only loss of range. which is basically muscle fatigue. And i had to train to get it. Im not a natural singer, but like someone said in the sticky, if youre not, you have to work harder than a natural singer would. I'm still working and always will. And im not the best, but in know a lot, and i can explain it a way that helps it to be understood and to see that i know what i'm talking about. most of voice work is quite simple actually. but most people want to do the impossible. just like before, you have to be patient. you have to crawl before you can walk then run, then sprint. And i promise you noone will ever skip a step! so be patient and do it right. The thing is you might have way more potential then you know, and youre just closing your throat when youre trying to scream, again, confusing your throat muscles with your cord's. its culture. we see on tv and through emotions our whole life that the mouth and neck and everything else should do this when we try to make a certain sound. you must learn to seperate. try the excersises to start off, and find songs like Wonderful world. trust me it sounds stupid, but if you can sing that simple song the way he does, its your key. and do it without moving your mouth much. you will find that you have to relax to sing that low and scratch. yet hitting the notes reminds you how to relax the throat while moving the cords. its such a key to singing and growth..thats why i just realized that i wrote another **** paragraph on that one fact again.

I suggest you check the stickys for proper breathing. it is vital you know how to breathe and support. Its funny that so many people breath incorrectly. when you inhale your stomach and chest should go out and bellow bigger. (in general, not all the time when youre own stage, but thats the feeling) . Im a meditator and fitness guru luckily...so it came to be that i have been developing good breathing techniques for a long time before i started to get serious about singing. I'll post more later. i hope this helps.

[feedthegods666]

Originally Posted by Merkaba-1

Well i tell ya what, to make your road as easy and as Quick as possible. Trust me, go ahead and let your ego run away. you must....MUST warm up. especially if youre trying to learn any new vocal technique. Not just because you might blow something out, and cause permanent weakening, scarring, etc. but because the vocal cords do way more work than most people know, and they have to be activated, energized. like a circuit. and by the way, Chino from deftones last year paralyzed one cord and partially parlayzed the other. he just went overboard too much and it caught up with him after a show. he woke up the next day in severe pain. chino drinks and smokes and doesnt warm up. after two weeks or so off tour, no shows, pain,medication and the threat of an ended career his doctor told him to cut back on the alcohol, (surprisingly very bad for your cords, due to mucuous) and of course the cigs, and told him to warm up. some people think its cool that they dont have to , or just dont. but if youre serious about your career and growth as a singer you will warm up.

The thing about screaming is that the rasp , especially like chino, mudvayne, LP, etc., comes from extra air passing the cords and hitting the back of the throat. The thing is you must first be able to sing that note/tone first. then over time you gain enough strenght to be able to push more air past the cords to where the extra air scrapes your throat giving you that blasted sound. It DOES NOT come from the vocal cords and never ever should. you should be able to scratch any note as a rock singer, its all about moving the back of your throat enough to scrape without closing your throat. closing off causes more pressure against the cords, the air cant escape, and it fatigues the cords. if you want to scream high notes, you must sing them first. falsetto, those high airy notes dont use the cords in the same manner and takes a different feel.
THe thing is that you must learn to isolate your vocal cord muscles from your throat/pharynx muscles. the easiest way (and to show what i mean) is to practice singing a song and not moving the mouth or making faces. just sing the song with your mouth opening and closing enough to make the sounds. dont make any faces or raise any eybrows or anything. just open your mouth and sing a song as blank faced as possible and dont move any part of your body. then try to add the different sounds and tones the same way. over time you can realize the feeling of what changes notes and what doesnt. then do the same thing while singing and only using vowels for the words. not the words. sing a verse just saying Ay's....then EE's, then O...then U...then ahhh...trust me it helps. you should also be able to scratch a note at about 50 percent effort. you shouldnt have to push hard to get scratch on a tone. a secret is to listen to Wonderful world by Louis Armstrong. sing it without moving the mouth much. you will get the feeling of what it takes to hit air on your throat while still holding tone. youre basically gonna have to find this spot to scream(safely). youre basically trying to get your vocal cords strong enough to be able to hold the same shape while having more air(resistance) pushed on them....this extra air scrapes the throat. its as simple at that. so try to get the sound without pushing as hard. you shouldnt have to push that hard. then work your way up to higher notes. if your voice breaks repeatedly move to a lower note . the higher the note, the thinner your cords, so you have less surface area to connect and energize. you dont want to push too hard while youre thin. again, you have to get the muscles strong enough to support and energize at one note before working with another. you cant lift a hundred pounds if you cant lift five. once you move into falsetto or very high notes, its more airy and takes a very open throat.

go find louis armstrong, that is the feeling you wan

sing loud hah's...Hah!...hah...hah....forcefully....it helps strengthen.
when youre done for the day you should warm down....singing higher notes flowing down continuously to lower notes with one breath. I forget what thats called, but its what you would hear a singer doing. One breath flowing high to low. do each vowel a few times. highest you can get to lowest. then do EEEs....at normal singing tone and octave. warm down for at least two minutes or so. it helps realign the cords, which helps them not want to produce mucuous which is your biggest singing enemy, trust me. More on that later.
If you EVER feel pain stop that action immediately. the macho no pain no gain crap is false here. if your speaking voice is altered youre also singing incorrectly. not to pull my own chain but i have gotten to the point where i can do various singing including mudvayne, deftones, tool, etc...for like two to three hours, with no pain, and only loss of range. which is basically muscle fatigue. And i had to train to get it. Im not a natural singer, but like someone said in the sticky, if youre not, you have to work harder than a natural singer would. I'm still working and always will. And im not the best, but in know a lot, and i can explain it a way that helps it to be understood and to see that i know what i'm talking about. most of voice work is quite simple actually. but most people want to do the impossible. just like before, you have to be patient. you have to crawl before you can walk then run, then sprint. And i promise you noone will ever skip a step! so be patient and do it right. The thing is you might have way more potential then you know, and youre just closing your throat when youre trying to scream, again, confusing your throat muscles with your cord's. its culture. we see on tv and through emotions our whole life that the mouth and neck and everything else should do this when we try to make a certain sound. you must learn to seperate. try the excersises to start off, and find songs like Wonderful world. trust me it sounds stupid, but if you can sing that simple song the way he does, its your key. and do it without moving your mouth much. you will find that you have to relax to sing that low and scratch. yet hitting the notes reminds you how to relax the throat while moving the cords. its such a key to singing and growth..thats why i just realized that i wrote another **** paragraph on that one fact again.

I suggest you check the stickys for proper breathing. it is vital you know how to breathe and support. Its funny that so many people breath incorrectly. when you inhale your stomach and chest should go out and bellow bigger. (in general, not all the time when youre own stage, but thats the feeling) . Im a meditator and fitness guru luckily...so it came to be that i have been developing good breathing techniques for a long time before i started to get serious about singing. I'll post more later. i hope this helps.

WOOOOAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

you really know what you're talking bout.

the only thing i say is, think about someone you really hate, and then imagine screaming the lyrics in their face!!! thats what i do, and it works really well.

Merkaba-1=MY HERO!

[Merkaba]

Originally Posted by feedthegods666

WOOOOAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

you really know what you're talking bout.

the only thing i say is, think about someone you really hate, and then imagine screaming the lyrics in their face!!! thats what i do, and it works really well.

Merkaba-1=MY HERO!

well that works for some! the thing is that many people will let that feeling tense them up and then they tense and close up the throat, which may be fine until repetition and time take their toll. Like with chino. with a mic, you really shouldnt have to push that hard, (unless the sound guy is shltty,or you have it too low in rehearsal) maximum gain without feedback is what you want. you can scream so easily then, with tone, and for longer, once you learn the feeling of screaming. youre working with an acoustic instrument. your mic should amplifiy you as much as the other instruments and you shouldnt have to push that hard to get the sound out. of course in heavier music that is the style, but i(and anyone) can look like im pushing and straining but really be giving about a 75-80% scream. its all in the emotion you convey. depending on what the gig length is, i might push harder if im near the end, and i dont have a show the next day. (i havent had a gig in a while though now, no band! ), but you get the point. if youre in festival or multiband show where you know youre gig time will be short, warm up longer. I'm at my best after a good hour of warming up(excersises and singing).
i grew so much by singing in the car. luckily i've always had a twenty to thirty minute drive to work. so i would always be singing and fukin around. i realized later that i had been helping myself, once i started singing seriously. so looking back on those monotonous boring going to work again drives, it can be a key. Now its not uncommon for me to leave work at 12, it normally takes 20 minutes to get home, but i wont get home til like 2 or later because im out working on my voice, burning gas, eating up the ozone, but i dont have to worry about criticism, jokes, neihbors, my sister, dad, etc. its just me, my body, and the music. because you need a space where youre not worried about what you sound like, what your friends/family think... thats where you get to push your limits and grow, and you can warm up properly. because when you start off warming up your notes arent gonna sound as good. so most people go harder to get that tone but your cords arent warmed up. so you start out singing more when you should be vocalizing at normal push. what happens is you put yourself in a hole from the get go. you heat up the cords and fatigue the muscles early. this(and mucous(another long topic for later)) leads to you thinking you have to push harder to get the same tones because your cords are already misaligned. so you push harder again and again and you go in a downward spiral to keep the same tone. adding more stress and shortening the work time which doesnt build stamina. when youre warming up, your notes might sound crappy for a while. but you dont worry about it. just do normal push. then you later add the stress and force of holding tone and singing. Your cords are vibrating at a certain shape hundreds of times a second for any mid range note! that makes for quick heat and fatigue. now imagine after blasting them before they are warmed up good. But be careful of singing in the car, you dont want your acoustic to compete with the electric. you cant do it. however, again for me, over time i realize that by doing so for so long i strengthened my voice. just be careful. and warm up. after a long warm up, the vocal cords can take a beating, and thats how to get them to strengthen. (be sure to warm down afterwards)
and another thing is that there is a point at which you get diminished returns anyways. if you push too hard then the volume and tone are compromised because there is too much air passing. so each person has to find there own spot really. everybody's different and capable of different things and all have our own limits, but the principals are all the same.

[Trigger_003]

by the way... there's a stickied singing thread at the top of "the jam session" [URL=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166901](click here to go straight there)[/url]

[TheUsedRules]

Merkaba-1 you rule!! thanks for the help dude

[schecterguy89]

yeah thank u, u helped alot

[mactabilis]

WHOA, thanks.

For a long time I've been wanting to scream, and just couldn't, figuring I didn't have that special magic ability. I just didn't know what I was supposed to be doing in my throat, what it was to feel like. I've been able to do rasps, and have practically perfected the Louis Armstrong growly gut thing... I figured there was some other thing that was a scream... Now that I know that this is the basis, I've been able to scream!

[BassMan182]

Originally Posted by schecterguy89

Well my band wants me to scream, and I really dont nkow how. Can someone help me? Im lookin for like a deftones feel.

tell your band mates to kiss your arse... ****ing screaming. what happened to singing? please don't scream, spare your audience the pain.

[mactabilis]

Yeah, and don't use distortion on your guitars either. Spare the audience!

[BassMan182]

although that was sarcasm, i would prefer it when the distortion comes off every now and again

[BeefyBassist]

Man i really connect with that singing in the car thing. thats exactly how i learned to scream. neways what are some good ways to warm up and warm down

[Merkaba]

^ http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911

[KKKKKocaine]

Originally Posted by Merkaba-1

no , not to my knowledge, but there should be. Im a singer. i cant really play any instrument well enough to be able to coach, but i can sing. I posted last week about maybe making a singing section. I suggest we make one...moderators??????

It probably won't happen, if we have a singing forum made, people will say "Can we have an emo forum? They got a singing forum", If MX can get out of making a new forum he will, which will mean any proposals to him will probably end up in just being told to use this forum.
That wasn't a bash at MX by the way Just saying it probably won't happen unfortunately

[SufferCate]

THe thing is that you must learn to isolate your vocal cord muscles from your throat/pharynx muscles. the easiest way (and to show what i mean) is to practice singing a song and not moving the mouth or making faces. just sing the song with your mouth opening and closing enough to make the sounds. dont make any faces or raise any eybrows or anything. just open your mouth and sing a song as blank faced as possible and dont move any part of your body. then try to add the different sounds and tones the same way. over time you can realize the feeling of what changes notes and what doesnt. then do the same thing while singing and only using vowels for the words. not the words. sing a verse just saying Ay's....then EE's, then O...then U...then ahhh...trust me it helps

can u give a better explanation on how to do this excercise?