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Old 08-24-2014, 03:04 PM   #46621
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A lot can be said about the mismanagement in the transfer market from Man Utd when Chelsea are finding better value. I'm not even talking about buying the likes of Fabregas or Diego Costa here either.

They've made massive profits on Kevin de Bruyne (£11m) and Lukaku (£18m). They'll probably do the same again on Marco Van Ginkel who's a massive talent.
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Old 08-24-2014, 03:27 PM   #46622
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Been waiting over a year for Lamela to actually have a good game. Poch could really work wonders for that team. Today was amazingly his first start at home, crazy.

How composed and well spoke Eric Dier is, is also endemic of what's been wrong about English football for a long time. Inability to attract more middle class kids to Football and give all players a well rounded footballing education.
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Old 08-25-2014, 11:27 AM   #46623
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fairly obvious that januzaj playing on the left of centre midfield on sunday was a prelude to di maria arriving. don't expect you football philistines to read this but interesting take from a madrid fan about the departure. not sure if it will happen.

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First of all, I want to thank Di Maria for the great servant he has been to Real Madrid. From the start of the 2013/2014 La Liga season, he led Real Madrid to victory. Ronaldo had a rough start to the season, Bale was unfit due to no pre-season, and Benzema was just Benzema. We counted on Di Maria to serve the weekly win, to give balance to the team, and he did. The chances Di Maria would create week in-n-out are extraordinary. I really don’t believe in statistics, because when Di Maria would play, everyone else would PLAY, and become better. Thus the goals and assists other players got, would be often in result of Di Maria’s creativity either in counter-attacks or around the box. The goals Ronaldo would score, Benzema would score, Bale would score, would on occasion be around a chance Di Maria started. He was the engine to the team. He gave energy to the team, to attack, to play direct football, with organization. I do think at this very moment Real Madrid lost its most valuable player, and lets not confuse that with our best, because I think Real Madrid’s best player is Ronaldo, but our most valuable, game wise (in necessity), is Di Maria – someone who balances the team, and is that final piece that makes things click and work for Real Madrid to win. I’m not saying this now that Di Maria is leaving, I’ve said it throughout last season several times, I really mean it. For United fans asking if he’s worth the odd 60M pounds? Yes, the player United is buying right now, for the football he played last season, is worth even much more – It’s up to United to get the best out of him, just like Carlo Ancelotti did.
Not only did Di Maria lead the team to victories in the beginning of the season, but he was being played out of position while he did it. When Bale joined, Özil didn’t want to compete and left, but Ancelotti convinced Di Maria to stay and compete, and compete he did. Di Maria was forced into midfield since Bale had to be played in his preferred position (he was the most expensive player, Perez wanted his money worth), and he thrived in that position. Di Maria played left centre-midfield, he wouldn’t stop running during the game. Often when players are put out of their natural positions, they fail to do well let alone impress (Ozil on the wings), but Di Maria became even better. I salute him for that.
He made Real Madrid’s counter-attacking football work, when Ronaldo would drift into the box, Di Maria would cover his position, when Ronaldo would get lazy and forget to do his defensive duties, Di Maria would run back and do Ronaldo’s defensive duties for him – he would stop the runs, in which he would then have the ball and would start our counter-attacks. The pressure he put on the opponent was also extraordinary, Di Maria doesn’t stop running – he caused the other team to lose the ball quicker than they usually would. It’s important to note Carlo Ancelotti didn’t put Di Maria in midfield to do defensive work, but Di Maria did more than was asked for him.
Di Maria really was the ENGINE to the team, because with Di Maria, you get a sense of how Real Madrid play. Direct and counter-attacking football. Replace him with James and Kroos (two extraordinary players, I’m very happy about them joining Real Madrid), and you get more possession styled football. It’s a shame knowing that Carlo Ancelotti himself is upset about Di Maria leaving, it’s never good for a manager to lose someone he needs. Today (24 August), Ancelotti said it was Di Maria’s decision to leave.
Ancelotti tried to convince him to stay, Cristiano tried, and Ramos tried – It was Di Maria’s decision to leave Real Madrid. Why did he leave? Two reasons – he felt disrespected by Real Madrid when we signed James and Kroos, two players that can play in his position, and Perez didn’t give Di Maria the contract extension he was asking for (more money). I can’t blame Perez too much on this because Di Maria signed a new contract only last season, he needs to stay loyal to it.
Not to forget, Di Maria was the MOTM in Lisbon when we beat Atletico Madrid to win La Decima. Cristiano got 17 goals last season in the Champions League, and I can sit here comfortably and say at least half of them were because of Di Maria being on the pitch. Looking back at playing Barcelona and Atletico last season, although we lost, Real Madrid’s best player in attack was Di Maria, unfortunately Ronaldo didn’t do too well in Clasico’s last season, and I don’t blame him with the defense Atleti and Barca stack on him. Nevertheless, Di Maria in the Champions League last season was a different breed of an animal.
I really do believe Real Madrid was switching from being reliant on Cristiano (which we’re not) to being reliant on Di Maria, because he was the piece that connected everything. The middle piece of the puzzle that completed the picture. Now that he has left, Real Madrid will have to adapt to a new playing style. That really shows you how important Di Maria is, one player decided and dictated a playing style.
Manchester United is getting a player capable of deciding a match by himself. A hard-working player, that’s willing to adapt to better the team. I can only ask Van Gaal to use him to his full potential, that’s always hard when a player leaves Real Madrid. Di Maria is used to quick, direct football, and now he’ll have to adapt to how United play.
I hope you see at least a little bit of how important Di Maria was to Real Madrid, I think with him gone we’ll lose a nice chunk of our direct and counter-attacking football. But this season is a new start for Real Madrid, and I can’t sit here and sob about him leaving. Thank you Di Maria, for everything you have done – your hard effort will never be forgotten. Enjoy him Manchester United, all I can say is, please use him right!
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Old 08-25-2014, 03:22 PM   #46624
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Sky had cameramen at Old Trafford, Carrington, Manchester Airport, a hotel where they think di Maria might stay the night and the medical centre we normally use, all day. For a transfer that everyone knew was happening. I understand wanting to be the first broadcaster to report him signing officially/arriving, but it's a bit crazy when it was already pretty much done.

AAA if we've bought him to play CM then it makes sense, it's a weak position for us which he would make a difference in, he had his best season at RM playing CM last year, and it allows LVG to stick to his system.

I just hope we sign another CB before Sunday because we have 3 of the most injury prone ones in the league it seems.
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Old 08-25-2014, 03:42 PM   #46625
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it would appear the real madrid fan got it right. di maria has a serious job to take what i looked at yesterday and help them improve vastly to complete. watched scouse against city and both teams would eat us alive at the moment.

if it is CB to finish it then who is it?
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Old 08-25-2014, 03:51 PM   #46626
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if he's played in a midfield two with herrera, you'll get torn to shreds. he's a shuttler, moving the ball forward from deep. that's why he's amazing on the wings or as part of a midfield three.

pretty sure he'll play out wide. di maria, mata, rooney behind van persie. nani leaving and all the other wing options are a bit shite, so it makes sense.

united still need another cm and a cb (possibly 2) and a back up keeper if lindegaard leaves.

also, 80 million euro is a lot for someone who was almost sold for 65 a month ago.
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Old 08-25-2014, 03:57 PM   #46627
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yeah, seems pricey when you think about a player who had no future at real madrid. british transfer record for a madrid reject

incredible fee for a chelsea reject in mata

27m for an obese injued teenager

and 24m for a player that got injured in his first game

like what the fuck is going on

although, still going to be compensated with lulz when mario loses it for the scouse. it'll be calm down mario, calm down lad
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Old 08-25-2014, 04:07 PM   #46628
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pool were useless against city. weak.
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Old 08-25-2014, 04:11 PM   #46629
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yep...doesn't look good. useless without mr ed
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early days but man c looked so bloody efficient its scary
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if Arsenal don't qualify for champions league tomorrow then wow. We might actually win a european trophy!
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obviously no intention of having a run in the league cup then
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Old Yesterday, 03:03 PM   #46633
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Old Yesterday, 03:06 PM   #46634
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Old Yesterday, 03:13 PM   #46635
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What I've learnt from tonight:

Staying: De Gea, Evans (though needs to be benched next game because he was awful), Kagawa (injury forced early sub), Januzaj, Wilson (needs to be on bench at weekend), Pereira (has promise)

Needs to be sold: Anderson, Powell, Welbeck, Hernandez, Zaha (couldn't get in ahead of Powell or Anderson?)

Not going to make it at United: Vermijl, Keane, James, Janko

LVG said he was gonna assess the squad and he has right down to the U21 level

At least the team playing this weekend will have 10 changes to the team that 'played' tonight. We managed 2 shots on target against a League One side and both came from Wilson who needs to now be put ahead of Welbz and Hernandez as he has more promise.
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van gaal is obviously ten times the manager that moyes is, but moyes would have been slaughtered for that performance

having piss poor centre backs and then picking a formation which relies on three of them seems so strange
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Old Yesterday, 03:41 PM   #46637
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We badly need to sign another one. Luckily Blackett looks the part but need someone else in there, this weekend more out of necessity I'd pick Jones, Rojo and Blackett at CB because we still have no full backs available so no point changing the system.

de Gea; Jones, Rojo, Blackett; di Maria, Fletcher, Mata, Januzaj, Kagawa; Rooney, RVP

Big ask for Rojo and di Maria to come in straight away but there's a serious lack of options. I don't want Young, Valencia, Welbeck or Hernandez involved and after Evans' performance, he needs leaving out. We're not left with much else available right now and there is no way I'd let Cleverley or Anderson play.

I'd keep Wilson on the bench to come on for RVP at some stage but struggling who else has made any sort of impression so far to warrant selection who's fit and available.
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di maria next to fletcher.
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not sure he'd play at this point. says he might change the system with the arrival of di maria
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DiMaria might want to play for MK Dons if he saw any of that.

And just think that Man Utd could have sold Hernandez & Zaha for a pretty penny a few weeks back.
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think they are going to be offloading a load of players who wanted to play for ferguson and now are showing that without that god like adoration he commanded then they are just below average. clear beyond all clear outs coming up over the next while
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My concern is the more minutes Welbeck and Hernandez get the less interested Spurs, Arsenal and Juventus will get.
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not sure its an issue when we got them so cheap. gunners will see that welbeck offers something. hernandez will go also. both for little money. ffs we loaned out nani and hes better than either. the lads are making sure a deal happens for less money and so more likely.

anyway, let them all go. we have rooney
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The dream (with fully fit current squad):

de Gea
Rojo, Jones/Blackett, Evans (couple seasons ago Evans, not last night Evans)
Rafael, Herrera, Di Maria, Shaw
Mata
RVP, Rooney

Subs: Amos, Januzaj, Wilson, Carrick, Jones/Blackett (whichever isn't playing obvs), Kagawa, Fletcher

OR

de Gea
Rafael, Rojo, Jones, Shaw
Herrera, Carrick, Di Maria
Januzaj, Rooney, Mata

By this time next year:

Out: Young, Valencia, Hernandez, Welbeck, Anderson, Zaha, Powell, Fellaini, Cleverley

In: CB, WBL, WBR, ST, CM, Winger

Obviously it's a project that'll take at least until end of next summer window since we can't ship so many and get in so many so quickly (as LVG keeps pointing out to impatient fans).
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we will only ever dream when your "in" choices are named and signed. those teams above would put fear into no one except fans like us......and people like surf dying of laughter....
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Herrera, Shaw and Di Maria are very good signings to be fair. Mata we know is class and Rooney guarantees 20 goals a season. Defence is a bit of a weak spot but it's time players like Evans and Jones either establish themselves as proper PL CB's or leave.

Looking at the team from last night, it's like everyone is only reading the headline MK Dons 4-0 Manchester United, when in reality it's more like a Man Utd XI we'd offer up pre-season. I think the shock result last night would have been if we had won.

I do have reasoning: Our starting XI

de Gea - First team GK

James - U21 player
Keane - U21 player
Evans - First team, recovering from injury
Vermijl - U21 player

Powell - Aware he's not good enough, on way out
Kagawa - Injured not long into the game
Anderson - Aware he's not good enough, on way out
Janko - U21 player

Hernandez - On his way out
Welbeck - On his way out

The bench?

Januzaj - First team squad player with potential (came on, ineffectual, though surrounded by inferior players)
Zaha - Couldn't get ahead of any of the above, even when trailing? On his way out
Amos - Sub keeper
Wilson - Promising striker from U21s (came on, had our only 2 shots on target and forced excellent saves, deserves a place on the bench at weekend ahead of the 2 that started)
Pereira - U21 player (came on, looked lively, still unpolished)
McNair - U21 player
Thorpe - U21 player

How is that a proper representation of Manchester United? Looking at the teams, it wasn't a Premier League side against a League 1 side. It was a makeshift XI of untested youth and uninterested players on their way out. LVG wasn't surprised we lost, or at the scoreline, he knew exactly what he was doing.

If we had a fully fit squad, the team last night would have been entirely different, Young, Blackett, Valencia, Cleverley, Fletcher would have all been included, instead we have to play them in our first XI because our injury list is becoming ridiculous with:

Smalling (looking doubtful after weekend)
Shaw
Rafael
Herrera
Fellaini
Carrick

All out, 4 definite first team players & 1 who I would have included before Rojo arrived.

I will only be concerned if we play one of my above teams against midtable or lower opposition and still look as bad as we have so far. Then it becomes an issue for me.
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Rojo at centre back is going to continue the Man Utd lol train.

Daley Blind would be a great buy for them. Would be a great in a midfiled trio alongside Herrera and Di Maria, well balanced definitely.

No idea when LVG has done 4-3-3 a lot why hes shunning it now.
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Why the hate for Rojo? From what I've seen he's a very capable centre back. Part of the best defence from the World Cup.

I would like Blind at United, presumably Ajax saying there's no contact means we've made contact.
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by all accounts, 16m for rojo is a lot for an average player. the guys on the times podcast were laughing at it, would be one example.

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