Hardcore Community Thread - Page 101

Gotkookie · 09-10-2004, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nothing6

the number twelve rules. saw them twice, great stuff.

dillinger escape plan classify themselves as grindcore.

Can you explain how they are grind? I dont understand what makes them grind.

nothing6 · 09-10-2004, 05:09 PM

i don't think of them as grind either, but they classify themselves at that

Gotkookie · 09-10-2004, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nothing6

i don't think of them as grind either, but they classify themselves at that

wierd, I would think they would be their own genre, or like tech metalcore or something.

shane italian · 09-10-2004, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotkookie

Not grind. Great job writing this but you contradicted yourself. You said that grindcore didnt follow conventional structure, yet dillinger escape plan is one of the most technical bands ive ever heard. Never heard mathcore being known as grind... D E P doesnt have any blast beats, they dont have 30 second songs, its not all distorted. There is no growls or high pitched shrieks, and D E P does have intelligble lyrics, therefore there is no reason for D E P to be called grind.

Take it up with Sk8SkaNJ my brotha!

Let's Chop Cats! · 09-10-2004, 05:15 PM

Compare DEP to every genre, grindcore is the genre they are closest to. I'm mean I've heard the term mathcore thrown around with them but it doesn't seem to be sticking. So instead of creating a whole new genre just for them I would say they are.

Gotkookie · 09-10-2004, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sk8SkaNJ

Compare DEP to every genre, grindcore is the genre they are closest to. I'm mean I've heard the term mathcore thrown around with them but it doesn't seem to be sticking. So instead of creating a whole new genre just for them I would say they are.

I guess, but thats not a good reason. Their needs to be a genre for chaotic stuff thats not emotional. Like screamo without the emo.

Let's Chop Cats! · 09-10-2004, 05:17 PM

Hahah, the reason why I would use mathcore because math can get technical, much like their guitar work and core.....well I don't see why not.

Gotkookie · 09-10-2004, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sk8SkaNJ

Hahah, the reason why I would use mathcore because math can get technical, much like their guitar work and core.....well I don't see why not.

ok from this moment forward MATHCORE is a new genre

shane italian · 09-10-2004, 05:23 PM

Mathmetal*

I dislike all the cores and DEP don't even incorporate hardcore in their music...

Gotkookie · 09-10-2004, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by iHATEgc

Mathmetal*

I dislike all the cores and DEP don't even incorporate hardcore in their music...

tru dat, mathmetal it is then

cbmartinez · 09-10-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotkookie

I guess, but thats not a good reason. Their needs to be a genre for chaotic stuff thats not emotional. Like screamo without the emo.

Screamo without the emo is grind. Screamo= Grind with underlying sense of art and beauty/Grind with breakdowns.

Gotkookie · 09-10-2004, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cbmartinez24

Screamo without the emo is grind. Screamo= Grind with underlying sense of art and beauty/Grind with breakdowns.

yeah but dillinger isnt really the screamo or grind sound

cbmartinez · 09-10-2004, 06:05 PM

Dillinger definitely has some grind in there. Math Metal/Grindcore just about sums it up I think. Maybe some metal thrown in there.

09-10-2004, 06:24 PM

Ok, this is something that's been annoying me. DEP aren't grind. Grind is pure chaos. Daughters is grind. DEP are way too technical and have too much thought in their music. They're technical metal, or tech for short.

cbmartinez · 09-10-2004, 06:25 PM

They definitely have a grind influence though.

09-10-2004, 06:25 PM

NewKindofArmy03 · 09-10-2004, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BuddyBigsby

Ok, this is something that's been annoying me. DEP aren't grind. Grind is pure chaos. Daughters is grind. DEP are way too technical and have too much thought in their music. They're technical metal, or tech for short.

i always here people on other boards saying that the locust and daughters are not grind. i don't know much about grind, so i don't know. and yeah, DEP are definately not a grind band.

cbmartinez · 09-10-2004, 07:18 PM

Daughters and The Locust are grind.

EEbass04 · 09-10-2004, 08:54 PM

I'm a newbie to the board. But definetely not a newbie to these genres of music.

Dillinger Escape Plan is mathmetal

The very first post of this thread addresses some bands that I feel were not classified properly. The first of those is Norma Jean. Their is no technicality to their riffs, so why you even classify them as metal. You yourself said metal had much more technical riffs. Norma Jean is hardcore. They use open and minor 7ths constantly. Another band that I feel was mis-classified was everytime I die. They have spastic riffs that a much more fitting in hardcore not metalcore. There is no real metal to them at all. Same goes for Scarlet. I've seen all three of those bands live. Same goes for Nora.

As for metalcore, they are easy to spot. Unearth, As I Lay Dying, Hatebreed(the supposed "creators") Underoath was not metalcore. The best description I've heard for them and that I use for myself is pop metal. After listening to their new cd they definetely fell into the post hardcore category. Where Atreyu would also feel much more at home.

Thirty-Called Arson would almost go along with Dillinger in the math metal category if they weren't lacking so much in talent when compared to dillinger. They are easily described as spazcore.

I haven't seen anything about the band Zao. It's probably crammed somewhere in the middle. But how can you talk about metal and hardcore and not even mention Zao. They're metalcore. Also, no one said anything about Poison the Well. I'm amazed that neither one of them were mentioned. Poison the Well came about when hardcore just started to get big(1997).

That's all I've got for now. Sorry to be a critic.

NewKindofArmy03 · 09-10-2004, 09:01 PM

norma jean and etid are definately metalcore. hatebreed are nowhere near the creators of metalcore. and if you're saying norma jean aren't metalcore because they don't have technical riffs, why would you say hatebreed are metalcore?

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09-10-2004, 05:09 PM	#2002
nothing6 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 58	i don't think of them as grind either, but they classify themselves at that

09-10-2004, 05:15 PM	#2005
Let's Chop Cats! God Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gumnut Cottage Posts: 3,759	Compare DEP to every genre, grindcore is the genre they are closest to. I'm mean I've heard the term mathcore thrown around with them but it doesn't seem to be sticking. So instead of creating a whole new genre just for them I would say they are.

09-10-2004, 05:17 PM	#2007
Let's Chop Cats! God Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gumnut Cottage Posts: 3,759	Hahah, the reason why I would use mathcore because math can get technical, much like their guitar work and core.....well I don't see why not.

09-10-2004, 05:23 PM	#2009
shane italian big nothing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: texas, usa Posts: 17,306	Mathmetal* I dislike all the cores and DEP don't even incorporate hardcore in their music...

09-10-2004, 06:05 PM	#2013
cbmartinez night moves Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 21,935	Dillinger definitely has some grind in there. Math Metal/Grindcore just about sums it up I think. Maybe some metal thrown in there.

09-10-2004, 06:24 PM	#2014
BuddyBigsby Guest Posts: n/a	Ok, this is something that's been annoying me. DEP aren't grind. Grind is pure chaos. Daughters is grind. DEP are way too technical and have too much thought in their music. They're technical metal, or tech for short.

09-10-2004, 06:25 PM	#2015
cbmartinez night moves Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 21,935	They definitely have a grind influence though.

09-10-2004, 07:18 PM	#2018
cbmartinez night moves Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 21,935	Daughters and The Locust are grind.

09-10-2004, 08:54 PM	#2019
EEbass04 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6	I'm a newbie to the board. But definetely not a newbie to these genres of music. Dillinger Escape Plan is mathmetal The very first post of this thread addresses some bands that I feel were not classified properly. The first of those is Norma Jean. Their is no technicality to their riffs, so why you even classify them as metal. You yourself said metal had much more technical riffs. Norma Jean is hardcore. They use open and minor 7ths constantly. Another band that I feel was mis-classified was everytime I die. They have spastic riffs that a much more fitting in hardcore not metalcore. There is no real metal to them at all. Same goes for Scarlet. I've seen all three of those bands live. Same goes for Nora. As for metalcore, they are easy to spot. Unearth, As I Lay Dying, Hatebreed(the supposed "creators") Underoath was not metalcore. The best description I've heard for them and that I use for myself is pop metal. After listening to their new cd they definetely fell into the post hardcore category. Where Atreyu would also feel much more at home. Thirty-Called Arson would almost go along with Dillinger in the math metal category if they weren't lacking so much in talent when compared to dillinger. They are easily described as spazcore. I haven't seen anything about the band Zao. It's probably crammed somewhere in the middle. But how can you talk about metal and hardcore and not even mention Zao. They're metalcore. Also, no one said anything about Poison the Well. I'm amazed that neither one of them were mentioned. Poison the Well came about when hardcore just started to get big(1997). That's all I've got for now. Sorry to be a critic.

09-10-2004, 09:01 PM	#2020
NewKindofArmy03 ALL GO NO SLOW Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 6,935	norma jean and etid are definately metalcore. hatebreed are nowhere near the creators of metalcore. and if you're saying norma jean aren't metalcore because they don't have technical riffs, why would you say hatebreed are metalcore?