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Old 10-29-2013, 08:54 AM   #71911
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Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who reads Luke and Chris' posts.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:11 PM   #71912
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Do you know what a chaebol is?
As a matter of fact, I do. I also know that South Korea's economy was state capitalism and not a centrally planned economy. All economies have central planning to some extent but that doesn't mean they're centrally planned economies. North Korea is a command economy.
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Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who reads Luke and Chris' posts.
I do because I have so many other people on ignore and they're two of the only people whose contributions are worth reading.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:28 PM   #71913
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i said ceteris paribus in a thread when i didnt want to repeat all other things being equal

im sorry
Likewise, inter alia is shorter than among other things.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:31 PM   #71914
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you'd better not mess with him, i think he's non compos mentis
I believe the proper term is mens insana in corpore sano.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:35 PM   #71915
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As a matter of fact, I do. I also know that South Korea's economy was state capitalism and not a centrally planned economy. All economies have central planning to some extent but that doesn't mean they're centrally planned economies. North Korea is a command economy.
It's a difference of degree, not of kind. Even NK has a price system—and some stores accept foreign currencies—and a few market reforms. The "planned economy" you speak of is a chimera so it makes no sense to talk about other economies as if they can be contrasted that doesn't exist. The point is that South Korea was not and is not now a sweeping vindication of libertopian ideology and/or neoliberal international economic ideology.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:58 PM   #71916
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I have a hard time finding economic literature I actually want to read in general. For example, Paul Krugman—who is considered to be a maverick—co-wrote a book called The Spatial Economy - Cities, Regions and International Trade. I can count on one hand how many times empiry comes up in the entire text and still have a middle finger left to give it, and then some. These location theorists rarely if ever do case studies of how e.g. the Ruhr Valley or Lagos or Mexican maquiladoras confirm or disconfirm their models. It's absolutely fucking sterile.
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:51 PM   #71917
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Only paul krugman considers himself a maverick.
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:51 PM   #71918
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i have a hard time finding chris posts i actually want to read in general
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:02 PM   #71919
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Only paul krugman considers himself a maverick.
His supporters do. And he is some of the time. But most of the time he's a New Keynesian neoclassical suck-up.
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:03 PM   #71920
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i have a hard time finding chris posts i actually want to read in general
Then how about you put me on ignore and just shut the fuck up already, huh?
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:09 PM   #71921
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:02 PM   #71922
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It's a difference of degree, not of kind.
It's quite a big difference though.
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Even NK has a price system—and some stores accept foreign currencies—and a few market reforms. The "planned economy" you speak of is a chimera so it makes no sense to talk about other economies as if they can be contrasted that doesn't exist.
You're tilting at windmills here. I think anyone with half a brain can see that these Idealtypen don't exist in a "pure" form in real life. That's why I said to some degree. North Korea is obviously a much more centralized and statist economy than the South and that's why it's poor.
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The point is that South Korea was not and is not now a sweeping vindication of libertopian ideology and/or neoliberal international economic ideology.
When did I ever say it was?

South Korea is a good example of how the state can guide an economy to successful outcomes. That's not at all the same as saying centrally planned economies (which is not what South Korea is; it sounds more like dirigisme to me) work well. If we define planned economies as Soviet-style command economies, then it's clear they're vastly inferior to say, mixed-market economies like those of Western countries. Or, durr, South Korea.
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Likewise, inter alia is shorter than among other things.
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:06 PM   #71923
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Chris, really, I don't think there is anything here we fundamentally disagree on. Let's see:

- neoclassical economic models don't exist in real life
- mixed economies work better than command economies
- some degree of state planning exists in every economy

Do you find anything to disagree with there? I don't.
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Old 10-31-2013, 05:15 AM   #71924
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:39 PM   #71925
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Chris, really, I don't think there is anything here we fundamentally disagree on. Let's see:

- neoclassical economic models don't exist in real life
- mixed economies work better than command economies
- some degree of state planning exists in every economy

Do you find anything to disagree with there? I don't.
No but what I'm saying is like this: imagine Obama did the chaebol thing in America all of a sudden. How would reason.com, mises.org and the rest of the libertarian/conservative Internet subculture react to this?
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:43 PM   #71926
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in fairness, the us economy is long since past needing that degree of interventionism.
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Old 10-31-2013, 10:11 PM   #71927
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Old 10-31-2013, 10:13 PM   #71928
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we never do stuff for halloween in nz. might try and persuade some people to go to a day fo the dead thing tomorrow at a mexican restaurant.
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don't all western countries have their own version of it
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Old 10-31-2013, 11:26 PM   #71930
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only americans and canadians celebrate it like you see in the movies.

other english speaking countries do it a bit but it's imported and nowhere near as big, i think. i don't know anyone who did anything "for halloween" this year, for example.
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Old 11-01-2013, 01:49 AM   #71931
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I wanted to go to a "paranormal investigation" my junior journalist friend is going to but their pass was only for two interns.

I was just going to say that I'm a "huge Coast to Coast fan" and try to avoid laughing out loud at their efforts, which is what she was trying to do as well.

And now I'm sitting here listening to dumb ghost stories on Coast to Coast AM anyway.
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Sorry, Ghost to Ghost on the morning of Nov 1 in the Eastern TZ. Kind of weird that the Halloween episode comes after Halloween.

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Old 11-01-2013, 03:45 AM   #71933
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only americans and canadians celebrate it like you see in the movies.

other english speaking countries do it a bit but it's imported and nowhere near as big, i think. i don't know anyone who did anything "for halloween" this year, for example.
I saw pix of a Halloween party in NZ last year. Although the attendance was purely Iranian.

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Old 11-01-2013, 04:51 AM   #71934
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No but what I'm saying is like this: imagine Obama did the chaebol thing in America all of a sudden. How would reason.com, mises.org and the rest of the libertarian/conservative Internet subculture react to this?
If you're talking chaebols like the Asian tigers than you shouldn't talk government you should talk families.
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Old 11-01-2013, 05:38 AM   #71935
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chaebols are a south korean thing
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Old 11-01-2013, 05:39 AM   #71936
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south korea is a pretty nice place but you'll never fit in as a white dude so it sucks

people say that about japan but only cuz they never visited korea
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Old 11-01-2013, 05:42 AM   #71937
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plus hangul is neat looking
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Old 11-01-2013, 06:10 AM   #71938
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ya, hence asian tigers

i've head idiots use it to talk about cartels
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Old 11-01-2013, 06:26 AM   #71939
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i'm going to taiwan hong kong tokyo south korea and potentially north korea next summer -->

honestly not the first place in the world i'd choose to visit but my buddy is going there on work term so ima go visit for slightly cheaper than it would ever cost me otherwise
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Old 11-01-2013, 06:28 AM   #71940
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well you just need a base in the area to spring from then its easy to visit a ton of places
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