Presidential Debate

[spitfirejunky returns]

I did not watch the debates because they don't determine shit.

[Smokey D]

Obama is only good at delivering speeches other people wrote off of a teleprompter.

Such a dumb meme.

[Det_Nosnip]

It's interesting that they're calling it for Romney...I didn't think either did a particularly stunning job. Obama at least brought up the fact that Romney etch-and-sketches his positions, but he needs to be more aggressive.

[RouteOne]

Originally Posted by Smokey D

Such a dumb meme.

oh stop it is true

[Smokey D]

not at all true.

that's not saying there aren't more natural unscripted public speakers, though

[JohnXDoesn't]

Originally Posted by Mute Requiem

i wouldnt be surprised if romney outdid obama in all of the debates but still lost

Originally Posted by Mr. Ron

which will probably happen

could happen or not happen. probably doesn't matter much


i was watching the news and some pretty good points were brought up. like Kerry embarrassing Bush in the first debate. and a Reagan debacle in '84. Clinton whooped George senior

it showed in ALL but one presidential debate in recent history (Clinton / Dole being the exception) the incumbent LOST the first debate. be it a dem or repub apparently sitting president's lose first debates. and its widely reported, of course. so thats a fact

because the other is more animated. THIS is the big moment. and the challenger is armed with four years of politics to throw at the president. so the pres is kept off balance most of the night

but things change in the next debate, usually. as reported, only Clinton won his first debate over the challenger. the other pres's were left licking wounds the next day, but take up task directly against the opponent in the campaign. the win / lose is split for the election, however. so results of a first debate doesn't say much about how the rest will go, or who will win

[zinc]

do any of the debates say much about who will win? i thought it was more entertainment than something a lot of people base their vote on

[Smokey D]

Generally speaking, research suggests they don't have much of an effect. It's possible (probable) that not all campaigns are equally particularly susceptible to them. At any rate, it builds into a Romney comeback narrative Chicago will be eager to nip in the bud.

[JohnXDoesn't]

Originally Posted by zinc

do any of the debates say much about who will win? i thought it was more entertainment than something a lot of people base their vote on

it is entertainment for the most part. it has some value, i suppose.

and apparently some are still undecided. a lot, so they say. i saw a report that said MANY voters never watch the news or care much about politics. but they vote. dumb people vote, too. busy people. all that shit

so the report said the debates are good at reaching those people. so its kind of a campaign tool but it also gives millions of people their FIRST good look at the candidates. the challenger especially likes this.

romney was like a new guy last night. but obama let him be it

[JizzInMyPants]

ya the debates are pretty much verbal sports, you get a clear picture of that if you see like 10 minutes after the debate.

A group of like 5 people telling people who they thought won and bringer up Twitter feeds and all that.

[Seafroggys]

Originally Posted by JohnXDoesn't

could happen or not happen. probably doesn't matter much


i was watching the news and some pretty good points were brought up. like Kerry embarrassing Bush in the first debate. and a Reagan debacle in '84. Clinton whooped George senior

Watching Rachel Maddow I assume?

[RouteOne]

God I hate her and her stupid hair

[JohnXDoesn't]

Originally Posted by Seafroggys

Watching Rachel Maddow I assume?

yup. didn't mention it because of her obvious bias

been watching msnbc and FOX lately. together its like one big train wreck. one side telling the ugly truth, and flat out lies about the other

the "other" being the left or right, of course. i have made up my mind. i am voting gary johnson

[Jandarhwaal]

Well i think both candidate did a good job but who was the real winner. Some are saying Romen some say Obama. Personally Im not convinced and I think we should look at the facts.

[Smokey D]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2012/10/americas-jobs-report

Pretty much exactly what Obama needed after the debate.

[Seafroggys]

Originally Posted by Mr. Ron

God I hate her and her stupid hair

Say what you will about her bias (and at least she admits it) she is very intelligent and well spoken. Some of the other MSNBC guys, while people I agree with, aren't particularly articulate or good journalists (Chris Matthews and Ed Shultz mostly). I also like Lawrence Odonnell for similar reasons.

[Holy War]

my favorite msnbc news anchor is lawrence o'donnell. he is really h0t and smart. but all of them are articulate and way, way more intelligent than anchors on fox news. its like... my god, msnbc is not the liberal equivalent of fox news. i wish death upon gretchen carlson.

[Smokey D]

"Carlson graduated cum laude from Stanford University in 1990, with a degree in sociology (organizational behavior). While at Stanford University, she studied abroad at Oxford University"

[Det_Nosnip]

Yeah, most of the idiocy at Fox is an act to appeal to their audience, except for Fox & Friends...holy crap those guys are idiots.

[Smokey D]

Well, Gretchen Carlson is obviously pretty well educated.

the others maybe not so much, but still pretty educated.