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Old 04-24-2012, 11:29 AM   #8791
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I'm bored of my ride. It's too pingy
that's why i have about 8 of them

buy another. get benny greb's sand ride. you like byzances anyways, as i recall.
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:14 PM   #8792
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MmmmMmmmm Paiste Masters Twenty series....


The Sand Ride is cool, but very limited and for the price. I want something I can use. That is a ride that gets buried easily live. Recorded it sound fantastic!

But recording is where I try and dip into other peoples budgets hahaha
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:02 PM   #8793
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I'm bored of my ride. It's too pingy
You had a Rock Ride if I recall?

I guess can't really go wrong with a good ol' medium ride of larger size....22-24?
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:13 PM   #8794
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I don't know if you guys are familiar with the Bamboozle festival, but my band is on the line up this year.. playing with Foo Fighters, Blink 182, Incubus, Jimmy Eat World and like 70 other bands.. super stoked on it
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:34 PM   #8795
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:58 PM   #8796
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My 24" Medium is pretty damn pingy. Go for a medium-thin Phil.
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:39 PM   #8797
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The Sand Ride is cool, but very limited and for the price. I want something I can use. That is a ride that gets buried easily live.
phil, you've changed...

in any case, twas as much a segue into the byzance range as anything. could have just said "why don't you look into a byzance ride since you love the hats"

he would appear to have his "not getting buried easily" bases covered anyway, what with his 21" platinum rock ride (right?) and all
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:14 AM   #8798
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Frankly I wouldn't play anything from that company, SO many amazing sounds at there that blow everything they have away. Particularly looking at the price points. The "signature" part is only marketing. Jojo's name is only on it from the paycheck, just look at Vinnie's recent switch to Paiste.

I personally think for the price of the "sand ride", there are a lot of amazing cymbals out there. If that one is yours, then awesome!

If not keep on searching!!
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:32 AM   #8799
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nah, ain't mine. don't own any meinl. you seem to have had a brain fart though. benny greb is meinl. jojo mayer is sabian. i can believe jojo being in it for the money though.

vinnie's switch was a doozy. from gretsch to ludwig as well. his cymbal setup hints at an expanded 602 range too.
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:06 AM   #8800
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He's playing some pretty large models too:

22" Formula 602 China prototype
15" Formula 602 Medium Hi-Hat prototype
08" Signature Reflector Splash
20" Formula 602 Thin Crash
10" Signature Reflector Splash
18" Formula 602 Thin Crash
24" Formula 602 Medium Ride prototype
18" Alpha Medium Swiss Crash
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:14 AM   #8801
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if it's not 17"+, it isn't a crash, it's a splash gone wrong
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:51 AM   #8802
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Before I traded in for the e-kit I was thinking the same thing, I was wanting to drop the 16" crashes and get 2 20's or a 19 and 20, I have really been digging the explosiveness of bigger crashes lately
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:58 AM   #8803
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Congrats ludvista! That'll be an awesome time. Get some video!!

Mmm big crashes. But I also like small crashes. Splashes. Other shiny things to hit, too many cymbals not enough time!

What was it Tony said, something along the lines of "I hear violins in my cymbals"

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nah, ain't mine. don't own any meinl. you seem to have had a brain fart though. benny greb is meinl. jojo mayer is sabian. i can believe jojo being in it for the money though.

vinnie's switch was a doozy. from gretsch to ludwig as well. his cymbal setup hints at an expanded 602 range too.

Greb Indeed! Too many badass drummers and "sig" products to keep track of!

All "signature" artists are in it for.. if not money, gear, support, exposure, etc it's always a two way street with any product/company endorsement deal. They provide X for you, and in turn you provide Y for them.

For instance the LDS gives me (and a few others) stooopid good deals, and in turn we do in store clinics, masterclasses, plugs, events, etc

Speaking of products... drum swag anyone?

http://www.cafepress.com/dontpractice

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Old 04-25-2012, 12:48 PM   #8804
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well yeah, they're in it for something. it's not like they couldn't afford it. kinda stating the obvious there.

i've generally maintained that i wouldn't be that into an endorsement deal, at least for cymbals, because i like to change it up, but to be honest, if you're a working musician, most any manufacturer has got a wide enough range that you could get everything you want from it, at least for most playing.

not sure i could do paiste though. they've been making better and better cymbals the last few years, but i've not heard a ride of theirs than has that "tah" sound going on. don't get me wrong, i've got a 20" trad medium, and that cymbal is godly, but i'd probably have to go for a turkish style maker.

y'know, in whatever fairy land i'm in where i've got cymbal companies knocking down my door to give me free shit
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:01 PM   #8805
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spirit check out the Paiste Masters Twenty collection, super amazing sounds. Very pricey though.


Sticks and heads are all I care about! Cause it's the only things I actually use up!
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:16 PM   #8806
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i'm aware of them. haven't had too much of a chance to play any of them for any length of time. for being closer to switzerland/germany, the uk has a lot of shops with shitty paiste selections.

paiste seem to be pretty pricy generally. i mean, almost all of the major companies are now, but take the reissue 602's. it's amazing that (by all accounts) they sound exactly the same as the old ones, but i can buy original ones second hand for less than i can buy new ones.

also, who am i kidding, i'd totally take a paiste endorsement.
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:46 PM   #8807
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Has anyone checked out, as in played on in person, supernatural cymbals? Idk much about the company, but I tried some big crashes from them that would really explode, amazing stuff, haven't tried hats or ride though, I don't think the same characteristics I liked about the crashes would apply with hats or a ride, unless you're using the ride as a crash of course
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:28 PM   #8808
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"I hear violins in my cymbals"
That's why I play my cymbals like a violin, with a bow. Also music stands, chairs metal desks etc. etc. etc.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:30 PM   #8809
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I'm leaning toward a byzance trad medium or a Byzance Dark Raw Bell
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:41 PM   #8810
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:47 PM   #8811
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Trad med for sure
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:32 AM   #8812
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Which ever one appeals to your ears the best!


I checked out 'Supernatural' cymbals at namm last year, that's about the extent of what I remember, so apparently they weren't anything worth writing home about. Same for Bliss, Dream or whatever that other cymbal company is.

Hot tip is the Wuhans, particularly the "Traditional" series. I've used these several times on recordings along side my other high end crashes from both Sabian and Zildjian. Nobody, and I mean nobody, has been able to tell the difference between the $40 crashes and $250 crashes.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:49 AM   #8813
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Dream's major draw is the price, like the hat's I got for 125$ CAN brand new. They are just average sound wise, but again, cheep and they take a beating.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:09 PM   #8814
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i'd say dream has two major draws. the first is price. the second is as much a negative as a positive - the fact that they're inconsistent. if you can try a large selection, you can find some great cymbals for great prices, however you can't really buy sight unseen. or sound unheard, i suppose.
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:08 PM   #8815
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The supernaturals were expensive at the shop I was at, definitely not priced like the dream cymbals
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:04 PM   #8816
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i'd say dream has two major draws. the first is price. the second is as much a negative as a positive - the fact that they're inconsistent. if you can try a large selection, you can find some great cymbals for great prices, however you can't really buy sight unseen. or sound unheard, i suppose.
That's fair, it hadnt occurred to me to think like that but it's true. The sound differs wildly within the same models, for better or for worse
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:14 PM   #8817
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I liked the Sand Ride a lot.

Have you thought about the K Custom Special Dry, Phil?
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:22 PM   #8818
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Thinking of adding another floor-tom to my new kit. Can't decide if I want 15" or 16" though.
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:41 PM   #8819
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haven't played many (any) 15" floor toms, so i dunno if they're much different to 16", but the larger will be a lot easier to find heads for, but you probably knew that already.
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I don't play Sugar-Coated PS6s™, just ordinary coated Ambassadors, so happily it's not really a factor.
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