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Old 04-22-2012, 05:23 PM   #31
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Assuredly the sound in that video is not doctored. Yamaha and Remo have been VERY explicit about that. You can hear the bleed, stick sound. It's all there. Keep in mind the player and tuning make a huge difference.
But the real kicker is - they just don't need to doctor sound. They make products that truly sound THAT good.

There are LOTS of videos of the PHX's on youtube, from amateur concert shots to in studio - they all sound amazing.

Here's a great player named Steve Holmes, playing his PHX's. Raw sound off the mics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNbHcGVTW0&feature=plcp&context=C4ea4c5bV DvjVQa1PpcFPLzI-O3lBlSh5JftMa5ATvZHU74qTDSzM%3D

It just is what it is.

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Sorry, my bad, I have not followed the Yamaha lines as of late and was assuming that the MCA's were still their top shelf kit. That being said there is still no way prove that the phx kit was all natural sounding, which I highly doubt, even if there was no reverb or delay added they still would have been eq'd and made crisp and clean after running thru the board since they were individually mic'ed.
Haha who needs to do their homework now? MCA's were phased out a LONG time ago....


Hahahha pretty funny stuff. I didn't read any of that ranting either. But I'm sure it's rather entertaining!

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Old 04-22-2012, 05:46 PM   #32
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pretty sure i acknowledged that with my "no shit"

to clarify - of course they've been treated, it's freaking promotional material. if they didn't make them sound as good as they could they'd be idiots. the only reasonable exception would be a video where they made a point of not treating the sound, which that isn't. it's weckl selling you drums and looking like he's trying to hold in a shit.
Exactly, thats why I basically said Vinnie was full of BS when he stated "Those PHX's are not being effected, they just sound THAT good."


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Haha who needs to do their homework now? MCA's were phased out a LONG time ago....


Hahahha pretty funny stuff. I didn't read any of that ranting either. But I'm sure it's rather entertaining!
Sorry, not my fault that none of the local dealers sell the Yamaha line around here any more and didnt know the phx are now the top of the line, but I will say its a shame because up until I bought my radials the high end maple Yamahas and the high end maple Pearls were my 2 favorite sounding kits. And you still need to do homework because just like all the other BS you have been throwing out the MCA's are still available.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/drums/ac-drumsets/absolute/maple_custom_absolute/?mode=model#tab=product_lineup

HA HA thats rich, ranting you say but your the one that was ranting and throwing out BS stories made up in your head, all I did was rebut all your BS statements with factual answers to prove how much of a troll you really are.

BTW I see you edited your post again, deleting comments that prove you really are and POS, telling me that Im just trying to defend myself for buying a garbage kit. Do you really think if my kit sounded bad I would have sold my Tama rockstars to buy them then sell my Yamaha MCA and Peal masters a few years later and take the extra set up times to play only the one kit at home, at the band rehearsal space and to gig with? Plus I can tell you for a fact that when and if a kit comes along that has a sound that makes me want them more than my radials I will just buy them no matter what the price or what name happens to be on them.

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Old 04-22-2012, 05:48 PM   #33
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You Are Laughable.

You have any videos of you even playing drums?

Forget the sound quality. My guess is you can't even play. Let alone are qualified to talk about high end drum sounds.

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Exactly, thats why I basically said Vinnie was full of BS when he stated "Those PHX's are not being effected, they just sound THAT good."
BS huh?

What's your explanation for all the other videos? Did you look at Steve Holmes videos? That's raw audio from lower/intermediate drum mics into garage band....
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:04 PM   #34
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You have any videos of you even playing drums?

Forget the sound quality. My guess is you can't even play. Let alone are qualified to talk about high end drum sounds.
he posted one, but since his playing ability isn't relavent to the discussion, i don't see why you need to ask

again, the ability to play is not a prerequisite to the ability to listen
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:09 PM   #35
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You Are Laughable.

You have any videos of you even playing drums?

Forget the sound quality. My guess is you can't even play. Let alone are qualified to talk about high end drum sounds.



BS huh?

What's your explanation for all the other videos? Did you look at Steve Holmes videos? That's raw audio from lower/intermediate drum mics into garage band....
Well if you would have read the "rant" several posts back after you asked the first time you would have seen the link posted of a vid that someone made with a hand held camcorder back in 04 of me and my kit which like the Guru one is not eq'd to make each tom sound the best it can sound, it actually is what it is, unlike all the links you keep posting that are all close mic'ed and eq'ed to death!

lol, So again you prove what a troll you really are and just post so you can read your own BS. Why? Does it help you to believe? Maybe you should actually do some reading and you might actually learn something other than the fiction you make up in your own head.

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he posted one, but since his playing ability isn't relavent to the discussion, i don't see why you need to ask

again, the ability to play is not a prerequisite to the ability to listen
lol, He keeps coming back to my ability just like the thread about wood tips where he said I have poor technique having never seen or heard me play. I am starting to think he really has a hate on for lugless drums and anyone that plays them...

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Old 04-22-2012, 06:20 PM   #36
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I am starting to think he really has a hate on for lugless drums and anyone that plays them...
Or just a general hate on...

I don't see why you are trying so hard to convince someone of something that he obviously has no desire to be convinced of...
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Do you?
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:30 PM   #38
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Tard, look. You like those drums. Awesome, enjoy!
The market has spoken, 15 years ago, 10 years ago, today. If radial bridge drum design makes some impossible comeback, great!

You break the tips of your sticks. That's ok. Lots of people do. And most of them have a hard time admitting it's their own fault. It's pretty normal.
The rest of us don't have special contracts with stick makers to send us the good tipped sticks and only send you the crummy ones. Maybe you think there is a secret to it. There really isn't though.
That's ok too!

You're happy (maybe?) at what you do. Keep at it!

By the way those drums aren't lugless, they just use wooden lugs attached to the shell. If you had done some homework, you would know this is a concept that's been tested to its extreme. From radial bridges to individual wood lugs.

The only "lugless" drums that have existed are Arbiter Drums. But they disappeared a decade ago.


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Do you?

More then I could ever have time to post.

When 'tard' posts a video of him playing his super awesome sounding drums. I'll post a video of me playing mine. And you can all compare.

I'm not going to doctor up my sound, heck I won't even use the PHX's. What a deal!

Vid for a Vid. Sounds fair right?
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:01 AM   #39
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Tard, look. You like those drums. Awesome, enjoy!
The market has spoken, 15 years ago, 10 years ago, today. If radial bridge drum design makes some impossible comeback, great!

You break the tips of your sticks. That's ok. Lots of people do. And most of them have a hard time admitting it's their own fault. It's pretty normal.
The rest of us don't have special contracts with stick makers to send us the good tipped sticks and only send you the crummy ones. Maybe you think there is a secret to it. There really isn't though.
That's ok too!

You're happy (maybe?) at what you do. Keep at it!

By the way those drums aren't lugless, they just use wooden lugs attached to the shell. If you had done some homework, you would know this is a concept that's been tested to its extreme. From radial bridges to individual wood lugs.

The only "lugless" drums that have existed are Arbiter Drums. But they disappeared a decade ago.





More then I could ever have time to post.

When 'tard' posts a video of him playing his super awesome sounding drums. I'll post a video of me playing mine. And you can all compare.

I'm not going to doctor up my sound, heck I won't even use the PHX's. What a deal!

Vid for a Vid. Sounds fair right?
More BS from the king of BS, you just keep spewing crap like the troll you are, and still wont do any homework making you look more like a fool every time. Just like when you said Yamaha phased out the MCA's a long time ago when in fact they are still available according to Yamaha and the link I posted earlier to prove you are FOS.

1 They dont have to make a comeback, Whitney drums and been making a living selling a similar design with the bridge being internal which you would have already known if you had read the earlier comment I posted.

2 You keep coming back to my "bad technique" causing me to break tips on the rims of my drums even tho the last set of Pearl masters I was playing when it was happening had wood hoops which did not have any strike marks on them and would not chip a tip of a stick even if you did strike them.

3 If there are no lugs attached to the shell, they are considered lugless. Peavey radials, Whitney, Sleishman and the Guru prototypes are all considered lugless, and Whitney and Sleishman have been building them for years and still are but again if you did some homework you would know this. Even by your definition of lugless Sleishman still builds them and they didnt disappear with Arbiter 10 years ago as you say proving again you have no idea what your talking about and just spew BS to hear yourself.

4 If you shut your mouth and open your eyes and go back and read, which I am starting to wonder if you even know how to read, you will see I already posted a vid (post #26) right after you requested it the first time, then told you I did after you shot your mouth off again wanting me to post it a second time even after I already had, and if you had read the posts by other members commenting on this thread, they even told you I had posted the vid. Now you ask for it a 3rd time? How many times do you need to be told I posted one? Apparently 4 is not enough!

Go do some homework and learn some facts before posting on sites where people are looking for informed and factual knowledge not just crap made up in your head. Your embarrassing yourself and look more like a fool each time you post this kind of fictional BS.

BTW I saw the dig you wrote in another thread toward the Boogie Woodies proving what a POS troll you really are.

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Name calling. Horrible grammar. Run on lengthy ranting posts. You sir, are exactly the definition what a troll is. Calling me names as you literally respond to every post with absurdly long rants proves that. Only trolls use insults to get their point across. And almost every one of your posts is chalk full of insults. You are the very definition of a troll. Unable to make your point without attacked the other person.

This is what a true lugless drum looks like, and only one company in the world ever made them:




See the difference? No tension rods threaded into receivers attached to the shell.


But talk is cheap. Put up or shut up. Show some form of empirical evidence that supports your point. Not your run on rants. Show real, actual footage or recording of these so called "better" sounding drums.

Or just rant for another half page.

Hey, I'm sure we'll all be proven so wrong with these drums just dominate the market... oh wait hahahha they consistently fail in the market.

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jos - that ain't the definition of a troll.

also, stop asking him to post a video when he has. not only has he posted one, but i've pointed out that he posted one. at the very least say "another one", though that would involve acknowledging the first.

oh, and small niggle - it's "chock" full of... whatever. chalk is used to write on a blackboard.
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Name calling. Horrible grammar. Run on lengthy ranting posts. You sir, are exactly the definition what a troll is. Calling me names as you literally respond to every post with absurdly long rants proves that. Only trolls use insults to get their point across. And almost every one of your posts is chalk full of insults. You are the very definition of a troll. Unable to make your point without attacked the other person.

This is what a true lugless drum looks like, and only one company in the world ever made them:

See the difference? No tension rods threaded into receivers attached to the shell.


But talk is cheap. Put up or shut up. Show some form of empirical evidence that supports your point. Not your run on rants. Show real, actual footage or recording of these so called "better" sounding drums.

Or just rant for another half page.

Hey, I'm sure we'll all be proven so wrong with these drums just dominate the market... oh wait hahahha they consistently fail in the market.



You call them rants but they are in fact answers to each one of your individual questions or statements with facts and or links posted to back them up unlike the unsupported BS you keep spewing like saying the design failed when in fact Whitney drums has been successfully building a similar design for many years. So in fact if you actually go back and read I did "put up" as you say. But I have to keep stating this point because you dont quite seem to get it.

I guess the companies themselves calling their designs lugless means their wrong because you, the god of all knowledge pertaining to drums doesnt consider it a lugless drum. Get off your high horse. Are you really that arrogant to think you know it all or more that the compaies building them. The truth is you know very little as confirmed by all the facts I have provided to prove all the BS you keep spewing as nothing more than fiction you make up in your head and expect people to take it at face value just because you say so. LOL, I dont think so...

PS: You have been told 6 times now by 3 different people that I posted a vid in post #26 right after you asked the first time which was over 15 posts ago might I add, proving again what a troll you really are just posting to get a response instead of reading the post and having the possibility of actually learning something.

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Old 04-25-2012, 02:41 PM   #43
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Hang on, vinnie is Josiah? I've heard about him but was never around then, and just a question to both of you, would the pearl free floating snare be considered lugless? It has no holes drilled for hardware..
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and just a question to both of you, would the pearl free floating snare be considered lugless? It has no holes drilled for hardware..
By the companies that build them they consider anything that has no lugs attached to the shell is a lugless drum, so compaired to Whitney, Sleishman, Guru prototypes, etc then yes it would be considered lugless. Also if I may point out the Pearl free floating snare uses a radial bridge type design on one end (they used thick/strong enough shells to support a bearing edge on the other end eliminating the need for a second one) which allows the heads to be tuned independently of each other which you cant do on the Sleishman free floaters that do not incorporate any type of bridge design.
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