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Old 05-30-2006, 06:55 PM   #271
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that's so not true!!!
omg it soo is!!
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Little kids are disobedient only becuase they only care about what htey want, not what you want them to do or don't want them to do. They're going to do it regardless of whether you have spanked them in the past or not. Now after a few spankings they might have learned but there disobedience has nothing to do witht hem being spanked, how do i know? They had to have disobeyed at one point and been spanked for the first time.......
Let's say they disobeyed at one point and got some priveleges taken away. They can learn the same lessons without connecting violence with power, that might=right mantra that gets so many kids in trouble
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Old 05-30-2006, 06:56 PM   #272
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that might=right mantra that gets so many kids in trouble
Except most kids are smart enough to know that it won't get them anywhere and it's a parental punishment. Which is why I wouldn't hit my kids if they were 3 and did something wrong.
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:06 PM   #273
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I agree with TS - Violence isnt neccesarily the answer, but repect for others is definitely decreasing amongst kids - not that long ago kid's would be punished severely in school when they misbehaved. Now the teachers are more afraid of being sued than the kid's are of the teachers, and it's possible that many of them will end up not learning valuable lessons about what's right and wrong.
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:10 PM   #274
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Except most kids are smart enough to know that it won't get them anywhere and it's a parental punishment. Which is why I wouldn't hit my kids if they were 3 and did something wrong.
Actualy the younger they are, the more likely it is that they will devlop a negative association with whatever it is they did wrong. At the end of the day you're not trying to hurt them or anything - just show that whatever they did is not socially accepted.
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Old 05-31-2006, 09:13 PM   #275
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that's so not true!!!
Little kids are disobedient only becuase they only care about what htey want, not what you want them to do or don't want them to do.
so you make them want to do what you want them to do
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Old 05-31-2006, 09:17 PM   #276
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because it's needless oppression carried out for it's own sake.
So you say. Some people say that any form of punishment is needless oppression, and they can back it with success stories. So by that standard, we should ban any form of punishment.
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Old 05-31-2006, 09:25 PM   #277
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So you say. Some people say that any form of punishment is needless oppression, and they can back it with success stories. So by that standard, we should ban any form of punishment.
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Old 06-01-2006, 03:45 AM   #278
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they listen if they have a nonviolent incentive for them to listen
No they don't. Sure some may do, but little kids do not care what anyone else thinks. Ever seen a kid have a tantrum? I'd like to see someone try and sweet talk that.
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Old 06-01-2006, 11:38 AM   #279
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No they don't. Sure some may do, but little kids do not care what anyone else thinks. Ever seen a kid have a tantrum? I'd like to see someone try and sweet talk that.
Little kids may not care what anyone else thinks but they sure as hell care about their own priveleges. Like TV or seeing friends or what have you. And as for tantrums, they only do it for the attention they get afterwards. So no attention=less tantrums. THey'll learn
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Old 06-01-2006, 11:57 AM   #280
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More often than not, when parents try the "patience" technique you refer to, they end up giving up before their child. It's only parental instinct. And that gives spoiled children.
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other people being bad parents does nothing to my argument
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Old 06-02-2006, 03:02 AM   #282
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I have noticed a generation of kids, in my year and below who all think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some many kids now think they are so good and everyone should look up to them.
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Old 06-02-2006, 03:31 AM   #283
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Children nowadays are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food and tyrannise their teachers.
Kids use to behave well, I'm sure.
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Old 06-02-2006, 12:06 PM   #284
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I have noticed a generation of kids, in my year and below who all think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some many kids now think they are so good and everyone should look up to them.
Kids are kids. They always have been and they always will be. You're just looking at it with nostalgia and new knowledge.
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