Am I A Hopeless screamer?
 

hi, i've read all the material online that i can get my hands on to be able to scream, mainly Screaming tips found on this forum board. I have experimented with my voice as much as possible. I just can't get any rasp. Can anyone give me some specific tips? it's the hardest thing i've come across musically. And is what i want the most. i don't know how to get the air to scrape my throat, is it supposed to scrape the top (where the mouth meets it?) or what....... Whenever i try my hardest to get rasp, it just sounds like me yelling with no rasp at all, please help, if i can do this, i will have a complete band

i remember thinking, **** if i could just scream like chino or maynard or whoever. i guess you have to be born with it. i guess im just a mediocre singer. wanhhh. But Now if Chris Cornell and maynard etc, are A+ then im an A. no joke. and i will be A+... i just had to work to get there. (and im stuck in a town with little musical avenues) i practice my voice everyday unless im bedridden sick which i never am. even if i were i would still be doing EEEE's and vowels and exercises. go read my replies here:
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214130[/url]

heres a tip: try singing instead of screaming like the 5 million talentless bands out there whos song i turn off immediately when heard. be original.

[QUOTE=drummerdunc86]heres a tip: try singing instead of screaming like the 5 million talentless bands out there whos song i turn off immediately when heard. be original.[/QUOTE]

my thoughts entirely...

stop trying to be ****ing emo, it's ****e. emo/screamo/post hardcore, it's all a bunch of ****.

there are tons of people that can scream and sing that have ****loads of talent. generalization's a bitch.

it's not that, screaming can be harder than singing. it's the fact that screaming is so cliche and overused, people just want to do it so they fit into a genre they're aspiring to be.

[QUOTE=BassMan182]it's not that, screaming can be harder than singing. it's the fact that screaming is so cliche and overused, people just want to do it so they fit into a genre they're aspiring to be.[/QUOTE]

Bullshlt!!

cliche? thats like saying, dont sing, scream, singing is so cliche.

I get pissed off at generalizations because its the same thing that people do when they are racist or feminist. with regards to whole ways of music, like Rock, heavy metal, or rap. to say that "this is the way they all do it and this is why" is so lame. so lame. and so lame

its a vocal technique that can convey a certain emotion or idea. people like to learn it. get over it. do you use a pick or finger your bass? or both. get my point?

if you dont like screaming in a song, then say it. but dont fit everyone into your little generalization. So i listen to Tool, Mudvayne, Apc, Chris Cornell, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Esthero, Res, and Sarah McLachlan. Now tell me what Genre I'm trying to fit into...go ahead.

what about shouting as if you are angry, it dont sound like screaming.
Sound much better ...,
:D

I actually prefer screaming to shouting.

well, i enjoy the sound of screaming, it's the sound that i love to hear, and so do my band members, i'm the lead guitarist, and it would make my band's dream of being an avenged sevenfold style of band, but make our own talents make it more original, i've been playing guitar for about 8-9 months not even a year, and i can play Paul Gilbert, Malmsteen, and Michael Angelo songs, and i have learned many modes/scales, and the notes that are in a key and etc. To make our band more original, while still scream and and sing, i will personally add, fret burning licks, with all sorts of techniques, alternate and alternative picking, tapping, but not have the song based around speed such as other fast playing guitarists.

I have been working on scream since this post, and i have developed some kind of rasp, but just doesn't sound right........ maybe when i get my computer mic from my friend or something, i will post what i sound like and get some tips. In conclusion, i love screaming and i will always love listening to it, and nothing can tear me away from that style. thanks for the advice merkaba.

my goal is to scream like avenged sevenfold, and hopefully someday, develop his singing voice. Is there anyway for me to find out what the lowest and highest not i can reach when singing, sing my lowest and trying to find the same note on a piano or something?

[QUOTE=kingfreddys]well, i enjoy the sound of screaming, it's the sound that i love to hear, and so do my band members, i'm the lead guitarist, and it would make my band's dream of being an avenged sevenfold style of band, but make our own talents make it more original, i've been playing guitar for about 8-9 months not even a year, and i can play Paul Gilbert, Malmsteen, and Michael Angelo songs, and i have learned many modes/scales, and the notes that are in a key and etc. To make our band more original, while still scream and and sing, i will personally add, fret burning licks, with all sorts of techniques, alternate and alternative picking, tapping, but not have the song based around speed such as other fast playing guitarists.

I have been working on scream since this post, and i have developed some kind of rasp, but just doesn't sound right........ maybe when i get my computer mic from my friend or something, i will post what i sound like and get some tips. In conclusion, i love screaming and i will always love listening to it, and nothing can tear me away from that style. thanks for the advice merkaba.

my goal is to scream like avenged sevenfold, and hopefully someday, develop his singing voice. Is there anyway for me to find out what the lowest and highest not i can reach when singing, sing my lowest and trying to find the same note on a piano or something?[/QUOTE]

yea. or use a guitar. its not rocket science. and you need to be using your falsetto for your highest note. if you can find it which it seems that most people cant around here. just try to sound like a girl. but you must have an open pallet. like youre about to say ahhh for the doctor. if youre not good at getting into falsetto, just do a high "hah" like a girl. you have to bee somewhat open to even make the ahh sound. but use Hah. the h in the fron gets you open and h at the end keeps you open. or should. open your mouth wide but not too wide or straining. and lift your cheeks like that other guy said in another post. kinda like a smile. keep your neck straight or your chin just a little bit tucked down, just a little, when youre trying for higher notes. (of course when youre performing you should have the feelings down to where you dont have to do all that, unless youre in opera) just relax and dont overthink(i like to overexplain because i love this stuff) but again, its not rocket science. but you gotta relax. thats key
but dont try to do too much too soon. but once you get the technique down, then you can start building strength and stamina. its more about feel that anything else. you actually feel the correct ways, the balance between push and sound. and thats one thing i like about it. its the overall feel and emotion i let loose when i sing/scream/etc.
keep at it dude. dont judge yourself about you've been trying for this amount of time. this post aint that old! it will take some work and time and you dont want to kill yourvoice in the process. scar tissue in one of your vocal muscless equals weakness. do it right, which might be slow. hell, if your band knows whats good for them they will be patient too. but you might surprise yourself. did you check out my replies? you really should try to get Wonderful World. download it or something. you cant get good rasp unless you relax, yet you have to counteract that with the blast of emotion and air it takes. not relaxing the throat while blasting will render you damaged and career-less prone. if you can learn to rasp at a relaxed 30% push like that Louis Armstrong song you can move up very fast, in my opinion. go get it! :wave:

is falsetto kind of singing half-assed or............................ when you hit your highest note possible, you know that's falsetto, i'm kind of confuesed on what falsetto is

oh no, its not half assed. its just airy and high pitched. think The Darkness, or Prince, or mariah Carey. I'm gonna get around to posting some sound clips one day. the point of falsetto differs from person to person. if you feel like youre singing high, then youre probably using some falsetto. it just means youre singing higher than your normal range. But i know the idea, its kinda like...cheating a bit, maybe, but not half assed. just try to say "heeeooohhh" like a little girl

alright, i understand

[QUOTE=kingfreddys]hi, i've read all the material online that i can get my hands on to be able to scream, mainly Screaming tips found on this forum board. I have experimented with my voice as much as possible. I just can't get any rasp. Can anyone give me some specific tips? it's the hardest thing i've come across musically. And is what i want the most. i don't know how to get the air to scrape my throat, is it supposed to scrape the top (where the mouth meets it?) or what....... Whenever i try my hardest to get rasp, it just sounds like me yelling with no rasp at all, please help, if i can do this, i will have a complete band[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I'm not going to be able to help you, apart from saying that the people who dissed you for screaming are talentless idiots :thumb:
Screaming came quite naturally to me, all I have to do is tense my neck up, pull an angry face and let rip, I think you can do it though, I think everyone can, it might just be a matter of more practice, or even confidence?
You never know, you might be holding back on yourself because 5% of you thinks "I don't want to look silly If I do it wrong"
Good Luck.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Bullshlt!!

cliche? thats like saying, dont sing, scream, singing is so cliche.

I get pissed off at generalizations because its the same thing that people do when they are racist or feminist. with regards to whole ways of music, like Rock, heavy metal, or rap. to say that "this is the way they all do it and this is why" is so lame. so lame. and so lame

its a vocal technique that can convey a certain emotion or idea. people like to learn it. get over it. do you use a pick or finger your bass? or both. get my point?

if you dont like screaming in a song, then say it. but dont fit everyone into your little generalization. So i listen to Tool, Mudvayne, Apc, Chris Cornell, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Esthero, Res, and Sarah McLachlan. Now tell me what Genre I'm trying to fit into...go ahead.[/QUOTE]

how can i not generalise when every single emo band sounds identical?

"its a vocal technique that can convey a certain emotion or idea" - no, it doesn't. it's just been copied so many times over so people can sound like emo bands in the charts. there's nothing emotional about it at all.

[QUOTE=BassMan182]how can i not generalise when every single emo band sounds identical?
[/QUOTE]

Yeah, how about you say that to my mums face? :lol:

Seriously though, I could say that all rock is just shouting, all metal is just double bass e.t.c., the difference is, I choose not to generalise, name all the emo bands you know, and If I know more than you, your statement automaticly is false because you haven't heard all bands.

generally, i am against generalisation, but the truth is that most new bands (mainstream and local) try to fit into the emo scene.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]oh no, its not half assed. its just airy and high pitched. think The Darkness, or Prince, or mariah Carey. I'm gonna get around to posting some sound clips one day. the point of falsetto differs from person to person. if you feel like youre singing high, then youre probably using some falsetto. it just means youre singing higher than your normal range. But i know the idea, its kinda like...cheating a bit, maybe, but not half assed. just try to say "heeeooohhh" like a little girl[/QUOTE]

falsetto is constricting your vocals cords. Screaming is opening them as wide as you possibly can with a little bit of resistence on the way out (hence the rasp). maybe using falsetto will give you some gay high "fake" scream but if you are doing it right the sound will come straight from the bottom of your throat with your vocals cords completaly lax, besides minor tightening ad lossening to go higher and lower. My advise is for the threadstarter to go somewhere where you can just play some insanely loud music with a PA and have a mic in your hand and then be completaly comfortable with no one around or anything and then just open your mouth wide as hell and let loose as much air as possible from the gut without constriction and you should feel it. it might take some time but you might or might not learn how.

just becuase a band screams/sings and plays power chords doesn't make them identical, most of the bands i listen to are emocore and they all sound different, there screamers sound different, there singing is different, sometimes the techniques are different, the way they mix the singing and screaming together is different, the only similarity is that they play emocore music, and they have a hell of a time performing.

i went to a very small venue, where three bands played, they all screamed. these bands aren't popular, the only people that really came to this event was there friends. each of those bands sounded completely different, all though they weren't good, they still sounded different from eachother, one band sucked, they had a decent screamer, but they basically had no riffs, jsut chords, the next band had some sweet riffs, and a decent singer, but they had no bassist, so the 2nd guitar had to take up an interesting role, making them original, and the last band sounded great, there drummer, lead and rythm guitar, and bassist all needed a mic, becuase they all were singing, so that just sounded sweet, also making them original. point is, those 3 bands were just an example of how bands that play emo could be different. There is no way that every single emo band sounds the same.

[quote]just becuase a band screams/sings and plays power chords doesn't make them identical, most of the bands i listen to are emocore and they all sound different, there screamers sound different, there singing is different, sometimes the techniques are different, the way they mix the singing and screaming together is different, the only similarity is that they play emocore music, and they have a hell of a time performing.[/quote]

but it all sounds the same. i'm sorry but it just does. let's not forget that every emo band looks exactly the same, and have an identical line up too.

emo wasnt exactly the first, last and only genre to use screaming. Just because he or someone else wants to scream doesnt mean he's trying to fit into it...

besides, i'd class the emo signature scream as more of a wail.

what is the 'emo scream'? give a band or song.

[QUOTE=opaque miasma]falsetto is constricting your vocals cords. [/QUOTE]

False. Dead wrong to be exact.
AGAIN... Falsetto is when you open the cords...not constrict them. you open them up and the sound comes from the air being cut by the edges of yoru cords. by definition, that is what falsetto is. Thats why its the proper way to scream because the cords ARENT constricted
[QUOTE]Screaming is opening them as wide as you possibly can with a little bit of resistence on the way out (hence the rasp).[/QUOTE]
False. The rasp comes from the air scraping the back of your throat, if you are screaming correctly. you get more air with less damaging resistance by opening up your cords, falsetto. it makes sense, its not rocket science. your cords are where your adams apple is, no higher, and anyone that screams feels the air scrape the back of the throat, but the vocal cords shape the air much lower.

[QUOTE]maybe using falsetto will give you some gay high "fake" scream but if you are doing it right the sound will come straight from the bottom of your throat with your vocals cords completaly lax, besides minor tightening ad lossening to go higher and lower. My advise is for the threadstarter to go somewhere where you can just play some insanely loud music with a PA and have a mic in your hand and then be completaly comfortable with no one around or anything and then just open your mouth wide as hell and let loose as much air as possible from the gut without constriction and you should feel it. it might take some time but you might or might not learn how. [/QUOTE] :lol:

AGAIN...Falsetto is having the cords open. if this is gay, then you know what they say about opinions and azzholes. you can sing lower pitches with your falsetto but its airy, like chino moreno does alot. the lower you go the less tone you can achieve because you can get much tone from vibrating the edge of thick vocal cords! this is basically what a whisper is, low, airy, falsetto. can you add tone to a whisper. NO! but when you want to scream any mid to high range pitch you need to open your cords, this means falsetto, this means less resistance on your cords. This is not a "fake" scream. if it sounds fake then you dont have enough strength and or control. I study this stuff, if you can't tell. so i like sharing facts. you can read what you want and do with it what you want, but its easy to tell facts from opinions.

[QUOTE=j0s1ah]what is the 'emo scream'? give a band or song.[/QUOTE]

listen to any emo band/song... it's not fookin rocket science!

In my opinion...

·lyrics must be preserved while singing (six feet under limit, you can understand their lyrics tho he screams all the time)

·If you can't really scream you can indeed simply try singing louder, increase volume

·start with your 'bass-scream' and end with somekind of 'mid-scream', maybe try simply screaming 'wwwaah' or 'mmmmah' or 'aaaah'

·you got these elvisguys singing kinda weird trying to sing like elvis kinda like 'aha-ha' 'yeah', i guess you know how those guys sing well convert it into screaming maybe... 'MAAHA!' 'YUH!' i dunno it's allright i think, take it as an elviseffect on your heavy metal voice ;-) it should work (if not, blame elvis)

thanks guys, i'll take all of the your advice and see what works best for me, except for the douche bags that aren't open minded enough to understand the brilliance and difference in most emocore bands

Yo, I've been practicing a lot for screaming, 10x to Merkaba-1, and reached some kind of level, maybe I'll letter put a sample of my screaming somewhere in the net so you can tell me what my problems are, coz it really sounds wack in the end of the scream. I mean, it gets some rasp, and in the end, just the falsetto stays and it sounds retarded.
By the way has any of you heard about Jimmy Urine (Mindless Self Indulgence)? He has great technique in singing in falsetto, he sings just like a little girl. I've been practicing a lot to reach his range of notes, and I some really nice results.

[QUOTE=BassMan182]but it all sounds the same. i'm sorry but it just does. let's not forget that every emo band looks exactly the same, and have an identical line up too.[/QUOTE]


You arent even paying attention to anything anyone is saying. Shutup with the emo thing. No one but you was even talking about Emo.

since when was all screaming an Emo thing BassMan182? (One can only guess what the 182 stands for)

So Six Feet Under, Chimaira, Evergreen Terrace, As I Lay Dying, Machine Head, Mudvayne, Slipknot, 40 Below Summer, Pantera, Killswitch Engage....these are emo bands?
It doesn't all sound the same, you're just ignorant.