I'm telling you guys, mods help and all that but the real problem is that all the funny people have mostly stopped posting.

And PNWI/Video games etc. are still good but there isn't that much activity there and the topics are obviously limited.

[QUOTE=mx;15036015]So right now General Discussion isn't any fun for people who aren't in a select clique of 30 or so users. The forum is filled with inside jokes, incredibly weird threads, and hacking, racism, and junk.[/quote]

inside jokes, weird threads, light racism (it's all in good fun and no one has really been offended as far as i know, though dei would probably attest otherwise) and junk have always been a part of the pit

the hacking bit yeah that's not cool

[quote]Quite honestly, I don't want to keep a forum like this. I think the site would be better off without it. But rather than deleting it entirely, which I am tempted to do, I'd like to open up the discussion.[/quote]

deleting it won't do anyone any good remember last time the pit was deleted and everyone just spammed classifieds instead?

[quote]1) What kinds of things would you ideally like to discuss here? Should some of the sports/movies forums be returned to here, or do you like the current format?[/quote]

it should be left as is but problem users should not be allowed to run the forum the way they have

don't you have more resources available now that sputnikmusic belongs to musicnotes? can't you get someone in this new circle to do something about the vulnerabilities that keep being exploited?

[quote]2) Should we have a closed discussion forum for selected members?[/quote]

no that's just ridiculous

[quote]3) What makes you post here? Boredom? Entertainment?[/quote]

both

[quote]4) How do you propose that we deal with the users that ruin it for everyone else?[/quote]

by doing something rather than nothing that would be a good start

banning people for hijacking accounts and screwing with the site instead of rewarding them would be an even better idea

[quote]5) Will re-opening the site forum help to resolve problems?[/quote]

yes yes yes yes yes

[quote]-----------------------------------------
Note: I know that certain users will jump on the opportunity to insult me, the mods, and fill this thread with swears, lewd pictures, and the like. If this happens this thread will be deleted and the general discussion forum will be in danger of closing. This is not a soap opera, or a playground, I want your honest input.[/QUOTE]

don't delete the thread just delete the problem posts that's not hard there are how many moderators in here and they don't do enough work as it is

You could give everyone in the pit mod powers. It'd be like giving everyone guns.

At first we'd be shooting at each other nonstop but eventually we'd all be scared to cause problems.

[QUOTE=Insomniac20k;15036742]You could give everyone in the pit mod powers. It'd be like giving everyone guns.

At first we'd be shooting at each other nonstop but eventually we'd all be scared to cause problems.[/QUOTE]

That's quite possibly the worst solution I've ever heard of :(

Srs M.A.D. doesn't work on internet message boards :\


Oh as to site forum:

[SIZE=10]Re open the site forum, but allow only site forum mods to create threads[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=Insomniac20k;15036742]You could give everyone in the pit mod powers. It'd be like giving everyone guns.

At first we'd be shooting at each other nonstop but eventually we'd all be scared to cause problems.[/QUOTE]

That's actually a really interesting idea.

And what is this "only mods can create threads" crap from zero? Don't listen to him.

But yeah, having a site forum=good idea. MAYBE, just maybe it would encourage people to just bitch instead of hacking.

Well no, probably not, but it's still a generally good idea.

[QUOTE=Iscariot;15036736]light racism (it's all in good fun and no one has really been offended as far as i know, though dei would probably attest otherwise)[/QUOTE]

Of course. How do you know no one's been offended? Because they won't come out and say they were offended? We both know that if that were to happen some users (you and Chance come to mind) would only become more racist.

[QUOTE=Jude;15036754]That's actually a really interesting idea.[/QUOTE]

Yeah most terrible ideas are :p Sorry Insomniac, you're :cool: and all, just that idea is not :\

[QUOTE]
And what is this "only mods can create threads" crap from zero? Don't listen to him.
[/QUOTE]

Mods or approved users and it's pretty much the best solution out there.

[QUOTE]
But yeah, having a site forum=good idea. MAYBE, just maybe it would encourage people to just bitch instead of hacking.
[/QUOTE]

No, it really wouldn't. Idiots will still hack, it'll just encourage the non utterly petulant to not turn utterly petulant. Plus it's pretty orderly. But it's not going to reduce the hackings, d00d, you have some learnings to do about the site :\


[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036776]
Hint: Plexi is stil here, adam is coming as he pleases, and I'm still here.[/QUOTE]

Plexi has shown that he can be a good user, Adam is a moron and no one cares about him, and you're...well, you can fill in the rest.

[QUOTE]
plenty of people like me.
[/QUOTE]
yeah people like angry armadillo (who's mad because he never got modded back when he wasn't a total nob) and klown, who's still obsessed with neg repping me for no apparent reason :\

[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036800]Actually nobody likes you.. plenty of people like me.

Another forum improvement: ban exodus[/QUOTE]

Mannnnn nice onee, you're pro doode

* Insert applause

[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036800]Actually nobody likes you.. plenty of people like me.

Another forum improvement: ban exodus[/QUOTE]
Plenty of people like you because they are afraid of you, is what you meant to say.

[QUOTE=fauxreal;15036799]Of course. How do you know no one's been offended? Because they won't come out and say they were offended? We both know that if that were to happen some users (you and Chance come to mind) would only become more racist.[/QUOTE]

the best way to dull a weapon is to use it

i'm not racist (for the most part) but i use racist terms because at this point i think putting a taboo on words like ni[size=2]gger[/size] is just adding to the problem it causes fear of retribution and then fear of contact between one color and another

and just for the record i don't flame people for reporting valid problems

[quote=Serenity;15036801]Yeah most terrible ideas are :p Sorry Insomniac, you're :cool: and all, just that idea is not :\



[/quote]

it's ok. it wasn't an entirely serious suggestion.

[QUOTE=Wish;15036830]

Stop posting in here.[/QUOTE]

nah

[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036823]I was a good user for a while, it's easy.
[/QUOTE]
You really should go back to that :\

[QUOTE]
what[/QUOTE]

I deleted the original private message, but I still have one from the series of replies, back from 2005, titled "hehe, why i think i was going to be mod"

If you want the mods to be stricter you'd need like 6 of them, not just 3. That way the favortism one Mod might show (i.e letting his buddies spam) will be canceled out by a different one who will close the thread. And with so many of them, it'd be hard for users to pin point who did what.

[QUOTE=Black Ink;15036862]If you want the mods to be stricter you'd need like 6 of them, not just 3. That way the favortism one Mod might show (i.e letting his buddies spam) will be canceled out by a different one who will close the thread. And with so many of them, it'd be hard for users to pin point who did what.[/QUOTE]
This is a fresh and excellent idea.

^Tojes.

Yes, it would be nice to hear from Tojes, Superpeer and YDLoad.
So far Wish is the only mod stepping up to the plate.

[QUOTE=Black Ink;15036862]If you want the mods to be stricter you'd need like 6 of them, not just 3. That way the favortism one Mod might show (i.e letting his buddies spam) will be canceled out by a different one who will close the thread. And with so many of them, it'd be hard for users to pin point who did what.[/QUOTE]

This would be useful (though my solution still pwns). Mod Justin, Dropper, and Nath or Mother. Make them use different browsers with new cookies, though, so they don't get retroactively hacked.


[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036867]It was fine but then it started sucking again for various reasons.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, including:
Hacking accounts
Flaming & Spamming
and now, DDOS attacks

:o

[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036883]No but zero there are reasons for these things, it's not only for fun. I am rather content in posting normally *when the mods and site are fine.[/QUOTE]

*When they do what you want them to do :\

Some watched "V for Vendetta" a bit too much :/

If Dropper will stop uselessly spamming up threads.

I thought it was better back when Litninfingers63 was nazi mod. It wasn't the nazi mod thing that was good though. It was how back in that time, there was a definite group of elite users, and all the new users were really pressured to step it up and get within that elite crowd. You would either stop being a completely unfunny, retarded child or get completely pounded with insults until you convert or leave.

[QUOTE=Mekkalayakay;15036899]I thought it was better back when Litninfingers63 was nazi mod. It wasn't the nazi mod thing that was good though. It was how back in that time, there was a definite group of elite users, and all the new users were really pressured to step it up and either stop being a completely unfunny, retarded child or get completely pounded with insults until you convert or leave.[/QUOTE]

except the elites weren't actually funny they were just miming SA jokes here in the pit and wearing them into the ground kind of like how the irc crew now mimes /b/ jokes into the ground

Argument for keeping the Pit:

The Pit actually serves a purpose, sort of like your cesspool or septic system. The waste has to have somewhere to go or it will build up in your house and everything will smell. Let it fester there. You could keep it, with disabled post count, and post a warning along with the heading so noobs will know it's not necessarily a place to be entered lightly.

Argument for closing the Pit:

If you close the pit, you may have to be prepared to lose some people who post only there, and maybe that's OK. Then other mods will have to be diligent in dealing with any crap that spreads to other sub-forums. Most sub-forums, I believe, have their own off-topic discussion threads (the Stronghold and L&R threads in D&P for example) so we can discuss those things there without fear of being trolled and flamed.

Bottom line for future forum growth: What do you want a new visitor to see upon their first trek through the forums? What will bring them back, encourage them to join, or scare them away?

$.02

[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036883]No but zero there are reasons for these things, it's not only for fun. I am rather content in posting normally when the mods and site are fine.[/QUOTE]

Still Chad, it's not your call. This is a private forum, you don't own the url, you've invested no money in it, you have no offical say on how it is moderated and run. What gives you the idea, besides your tremendous ego, that you should be involved in any of this forums day to day operational decisions?
Were you unhappy because you were never modded, or is it something way more sinister? This is not your forum, Go buy a url from godaddy, put up your own forum, sign up 300,000 members and run it the way you want.

[QUOTE=Serenity;15036881]This would be useful (though my solution still pwns). Mod Justin, Dropper, and Nath or Mother. Make them use different browsers with new cookies, though, so they don't get retroactively hacked.
[/QUOTE]

Why mod people who have been hacked? :-/ I've been here forever and never had my account hijacked or anything.

[QUOTE=Black Ink;15036910]Why mod people who have been hacked? :-/ I've been here forever and never had my account hijacked or anything.[/QUOTE]

Ok then mx could mod you instead of justin :p

[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036913]Actually this started when ebe9 started being a nazi.

Reasons for banning, by ebe9:

Posting a single spam post in bass - Permed this account
Arguing in report problems thread - Permed another account
Telling him he was a bad mod - 4 months on my alt
Neg repping him - Some weeks.


List goes on.

Then there's nowhere to talk about it, no site forum, it escalates.. till today.[/QUOTE]
Of course, blame the mod, and you still have not learned to play by the rules. No fault of yours at all, just horrible modding.

[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036913]Actually this started when ebe9 started being a nazi.

Reasons for banning, by ebe9:

Posting a single spam post in bass - Permed this account
Arguing in report problems thread - Permed another account
Telling him he was a bad mod - 4 months on my alt
Neg repping him - Some weeks.


List goes on.[/QUOTE]

And how does hacking accounts and perpetrating ddos attacks positively address those complaints? :\ If anything, it makes you less likely to be heard.

[QUOTE=Iscariot;15036905]except the elites weren't actually funny they were just miming SA jokes here in the pit and wearing them into the ground kind of like how the irc crew now mimes /b/ jokes into the ground[/QUOTE]

True, but it was a lot better than what we have now, tbh. Besides, the IRC crowd isn't really the elite cool crowd that everybody strives to be in in the same respect as the 03s. That sounds a lot more retarded than it did in my head, but still.

<3

[QUOTE=Serenity;15036914]Ok then mx could mod you instead of justin :p[/QUOTE]

Oh I'll go nazi on this place alright, but I'll admit I'm prone to favor 4-5 users here so there needs to another mod to off set that.

Plus once the school year starts I can't promise logging in every day.

Except Ebe9 is actually a good guy and a good mod you faggot. Maybe if you stopped messing with him he would stop banning your dumb ***.

[QUOTE=Mekkalayakay;15036923]True, but it was a lot better than what we have now, tbh. Besides, the IRC crowd isn't really the elite cool crowd that everybody strives to be in in the same respect as the 03s. That sounds a lot more retarded than it did in my head, but still.

<3[/QUOTE]

i get what you're saying bb <3

[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036934]It doesn't, nobody cares about our problems as users so we don't care about the people who run it. That's why we included ridiculous demands along with the ones we thought would improve the site for everyone.. because we get treated ridiculously and nobody cares.[/QUOTE]

I can't help bring up that this is an [I]internet message board[/I], so this whole "treated ridiculously" thing is a bit pretentious. Med banned me for a lousy reason a few months back; I didn't take up arms against him (metaphorically speaking--I did show up at his house with an AK47) or complain about how bad he [I]treats[/I] me.

If you bring up complaints reasonably (and to the right people), things get addressed. Back when I was a mod, my bad decisions didn't go unnoticed or uncorrected. Particularly when they involved users who didn't respond by hacking and the sort.

[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036934]nobody cares about our problems as users[/QUOTE]

What problems?

[QUOTE=Black Ink;15036956]What problems?[/QUOTE]
Chad and his gang want to spam at will.
Post porn of all types.
Have huge avatars the size of three bedroom houses.
Want to be able to troll anyone they can, but if trolled back, that user needs to be perma banned.
Want to have all mods obey their every command
Plus a helicopter.

[QUOTE=SoulSeekerz;15036909]Still Chad, it's not your call. This is a private forum, you don't own the url, you've invested no money in it, you have no offical say on how it is moderated and run. What gives you the idea, besides your tremendous ego, that you should be involved in any of this forums day to day operational decisions?
Were you unhappy because you were never modded, or is it something way more sinister? This is not your forum, Go buy a url from godaddy, put up your own forum, sign up 300,000 members and run it the way you want.[/QUOTE]
well said imo

ive always been chill w/ lightfantastic and even though it doesnt matter at all to me if the pit is closed or not i still feel bad for jeremy when this sort of thing happens

[QUOTE=Light Fantastic;15036959]No, we did fix it though? We asked and talked and everything was sorted and apparently ebe9 had a discussion and whatnot, but just yesterday he banned stu for negging him again.[/QUOTE]

If it got worked out well before, don't you think it'd get worked out again? ;) DDoS attacks on the other hand just piss everyone off and make everyone hostile to whatever claims you have.

[QUOTE=SoulSeekerz;15036961]Chad and his gang want to spam at will.
Post animal photographs of all types.
Have huge avatars the size of three bedroom houses.
Want to be able to troll anyone they can, but if trolled back, that user needs to be perma banned.
Want to have all mods obey their every command
Plus a helicopter.[/QUOTE]

I didn't ask you.