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HolidayKirk
01-01-2010, 07:56 PM
Wait. Stop for a second, let me clarify. Eminem's first 3 albums were brilliant, featuring incredible songs and narritvies driven along by a passion and motivation hardly seen before in hip-hop. His singles career peaked in 2002 with Lose Yourself, a massive worldwide hit that features Em's best opening verse ever, and one of the greatest rhyme schemes ever featured in rap.

But then, he hits a huge decline, Just Lose It is unbelivably annoying and even though it was a sizable hit during its time, I never hear it anymore, and I'm glad. Encore was an awful album and his follow-up, Relapse, was worse. Seriously, Relapse is a horrible album, filled with accents, murder themes, half baked ideas and some of his worst singles to date (Crack a Bottle, We Made You, 3 A.M.). And for some reason, he still is fawned over like a god, constantly being referred to as "real rap" and the "best rapper alive". I cant figure out why, he hasn't made anything worst listening to in years, he is long past his prime, and his last great album came out in 2002.

So, I guess my question is, does anyone else think Eminem is as washed up as I do?

Skyler
01-01-2010, 08:01 PM
I never really understood why people liked him in the first place.

hydeyomoney
01-01-2010, 08:24 PM
Eminem has technicality on his side nowadays, but that's it, it's completely soulless music. Only his first two albums really work, but only Encore and The Re-Up really suck.

HolidayKirk
01-01-2010, 08:45 PM
I digress, his ability to enunciate worlds rapidly, and his flow is very well honed, but when people go insane over his damn verse on Forever (lame song anyway) it feels undeserved.

hydeyomoney
01-01-2010, 08:52 PM
Kanye's verse was the best of that, his flow on that song is good, but not worth the insanity of people lol.

somberlain
01-01-2010, 09:11 PM
"cant figure out why, he hasn't made anything worst listening to in years, he is long past his prime, and his last great album came out in 2002"



When was the last time Rakim put out something good? Yet he is still recognized by most other rappers as the best ever.

Bulldog
01-01-2010, 09:11 PM
I never liked Eminem. His voice is just too damn terrible for me to like.

hydeyomoney
01-01-2010, 09:20 PM
"cant figure out why, he hasn't made anything worst listening to in years, he is long past his prime, and his last great album came out in 2002"



When was the last time Rakim put out something good? Yet he is still recognized by most other rappers as the best ever.

I agree with this on some levels, but Eric B. & Rakim is so legendary and his debut is pretty good, so it sort of solidifies his history.

HolidayKirk
01-01-2010, 09:22 PM
"cant figure out why, he hasn't made anything worst listening to in years, he is long past his prime, and his last great album came out in 2002"



When was the last time Rakim put out something good? Yet he is still recognized by most other rappers as the best ever.

Right but at least hes not scraping his proverbial barrel, not to mention his new stuff isnt as exalted as Em's awful new music.

somberlain
01-01-2010, 09:30 PM
yeah Ben but then again Rakim was never the pop icon that Em continues to be

HolidayKirk
01-01-2010, 09:40 PM
yeah Ben but then again Rakim was never the pop icon that Em continues to be

And thank god for that, fame heaps on expectations and pressures. Em's lost the motivation that propelled his first 3 albums. Now hes like a zomby, driven only by expectations.

somberlain
01-01-2010, 09:52 PM
Em's been going through the motions for a while now. What's his motivation? He's one of the most accomplished artists, he's got plenty of money and he knows that whatever he releases is gonna sell regardless

Bulldog
01-01-2010, 09:56 PM
Em's been going through the motions for a while now. What's his motivation? He's one of the most accomplished artists, he's got plenty of money and he knows that whatever he releases is gonna sell regardless

:thumb:

Gattsu347
01-01-2010, 10:20 PM
I never liked Eminem. His voice is just too damn terrible for me to like.

says the guy that likes lil wayne!

i kidd i kidd


its basically already been addressed, but EM sucks now because his greatest albums were steeped in Sadness, Hopelessness, depression, White trash-dom, and poverty.

he is now rich beyond his wildest dreams has no real reason to feel sad or depressed, since he has accomplished so much. He isnt white trash anyumore living in a trailer, and he certainly isnt hopeless cause a bag of **** with his name on it will sell millions.

classic mega successful, uninspired artist.

Bulldog
01-01-2010, 10:23 PM
says the guy that likes lil wayne!


i hate lil wayne.

HolidayKirk
01-01-2010, 10:25 PM
Lil Wayne is the best thing in hip hop right now, sorta, well he was in 08.

"classic mega successful, uninspired artist.", pretty much.

Bulldog
01-01-2010, 10:28 PM
"classic mega successful, uninspired artist.", pretty much.

See, Lil Wayne

Gattsu347
01-01-2010, 10:34 PM
i hate lil wayne.

o maybe i confused u with someone else my bad.

Bulldog
01-01-2010, 10:36 PM
o maybe i confused u with someone else my bad.

No problem dawgie. But yea, Eminem is terrible

Gattsu347
01-01-2010, 10:40 PM
Correction: his last three albums are terrible.
The slim shady lp basically appealed to the widest audience that exists in america, poor white people. I listen to it probably once a week driving. its hilarious, depressing, and skillful. MM LP was his master work, no need to talk about why. the rest suck. D12 had some zingers too

somberlain
01-01-2010, 10:47 PM
first D12 had its moments as did Eminem show but SSLP and MMLP were the good ones

HolidayKirk
01-01-2010, 10:47 PM
Marshall Mathers LP appealed to the widest audience in America white trash, some black people, and the general public. Moody songs, crazy songs, guest spots, and that appeal was reflected in its sales. But thats not what I'm here to talk about.

Jaundice
01-01-2010, 10:47 PM
Jay Z and Tupac are the most over rated rappers.

Gattsu347
01-01-2010, 10:53 PM
first D12 had its moments as did Eminem show but SSLP and MMLP were the good ones

:thumb:

somberlain
01-01-2010, 10:53 PM
Jay Z and Tupac are the most over rated rappers.

probably but they also had some great albums

Bulldog
01-01-2010, 10:54 PM
Jay Z and Tupac are the most over rated rappers.

Yea, they are uber-overrated. But they're actually good.

Jaundice
01-01-2010, 10:57 PM
Tupac is okay, I'm really not sure about Jay.

Rams
01-01-2010, 11:01 PM
Considering Nas is alive, how can people complain about Eminem? Nas hasn't had a good album in about 20 years now. His flow is so basic and he always spits himself into corners; he just speaks nonsense and people love it.

Common is straight **** now, but luckily had Be a couple years ago. He used to spit fire on Can I Borrow A Dollar then started going downhill as an MC when he joined that soul collective.

Black Thought ruins every Roots album because he is garbage.

Gattsu347
01-01-2010, 11:03 PM
Common wasn't even good in the new terminator. he had like 4 lines.

Bulldog
01-01-2010, 11:06 PM
Common = no thank you. But not overrated because he's not very hyped.

somberlain
01-01-2010, 11:07 PM
Nas hasn't had a good album in a while but he was neever as big as eminem is so Nas is not more overrated than Em

Bulldog
01-01-2010, 11:10 PM
In terms of talent...

Nas > Eminem

In terms of hype...

Eminem > Nas

Therfore in overrated-ness

Eminem > Nas

Rams
01-01-2010, 11:12 PM
Eminem is 8000 times the rapper Nas is. Nas sucks.

Gattsu347
01-01-2010, 11:16 PM
great here comes the whole Led Zepplien is better the The Who argument.

Jaundice
01-01-2010, 11:16 PM
Nas is still putting out good records to this day

Rams
01-01-2010, 11:19 PM
great here comes the whole Led Zepplien is better the The Who argument.

Not really, I just think you are mentally disabled if you think Nas is good at all.

Gattsu347
01-01-2010, 11:21 PM
never heard him :/

Bulldog
01-01-2010, 11:22 PM
Eminem's voice is just...URGH.

Gattsu347
01-01-2010, 11:27 PM
yeah im tall white guy so its nice for me

this was the first song i heard of eminem after My Name Is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdXdsF08SWQ

Tits McGee
01-01-2010, 11:33 PM
Correction: his last three albums are terrible.
The slim shady lp basically appealed to the widest audience that exists in america, poor white people. its hilarious, depressing, and skillful. MM LP was his master work, no need to talk about why. the rest suck.

pretty much. I personally don't enjoy his music that much, but I can't deny his influence

Glitterati
01-01-2010, 11:34 PM
I never really understood why people liked him in the first place.

^this

Eminem is 8000 times the rapper Nas is. Nas sucks.

hhhhhooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaahh hhhhhhhhhh

Jaundice
01-01-2010, 11:38 PM
Eminem and Nas are both far above average rappers. Any one that doesn't recognize this is viewing hip hop from an extremely unusual bias.

Bulldog
01-01-2010, 11:47 PM
I think Eminem works more as a COUNTRY star.

Here me out on thism the subject matter, if examined by itself and not paired with its delivery, is country. Family problems? Living in a trailer? Generally being a white trash piece of sh*t? Sounds like country to me.

That being said, the presentation is made in rap format. With rapping and rap instrumentals and such, but, while New Boyz are "rap" alot of people consider them to be pop. So wouldn't the same thing work for Eminem?

Eminem = country content in rap format.

Glitterati
01-01-2010, 11:56 PM
*stunned silence*

Bulldog
01-02-2010, 12:00 AM
*stunned silence*

Is that an "I just had an epiphony, I agree" silence or a "Wow, you're retarded" silence?

JonG
01-02-2010, 12:02 AM
rakim > all

pac is overrated, so is biggie. nas only has 2 good albums, jay-z has 2/3.

i enjoy early eminem, and the newest tracks off refill werent terrible. his newer songs are mostly ruined by sung choruses and awful beats from dre. yes, dre's beats are getting incredibly stale, and are the same awful keyboard rhythms.

Bulldog
01-02-2010, 12:05 AM
rakim > all

pac is overrated, so is biggie. nas only has 2 good albums, jay-z has 2/3.

i enjoy early eminem, and the newest tracks off refill werent terrible. his newer songs are mostly ruined by sung choruses and awful beats from dre. yes, dre's beats are getting incredibly stale, and are the same awful keyboard rhythms.

Imo Zaytoven is the best producer of all time.

exredhouseresident
01-02-2010, 01:07 AM
Lil Wayne and Jay-Z conjointly hold that title.

Jaundice
01-02-2010, 01:07 AM
Lil Wayne is easily one of the most under-rated MCs.

Bulldog
01-02-2010, 01:09 AM
Lil Wayne is easily one of the most under-rated MCs.

Lil Wayne is OVER-rated if anything. imo

Jaundice
01-02-2010, 01:12 AM
Depends who you ask about him, half the people over rate him and the other half under rate him.

Bulldog
01-02-2010, 01:13 AM
Eh, in my POV

65% overrate him
15% rate him just right
20% underrate him

Raventhon
01-02-2010, 05:11 AM
Dunno, I think Relapse was his best album yet. He's got an excellent flow and many of his songs are deeply personal, something you don't really get to see much in mainstream hip-hop.

I'm pretty much a huge sucker for people putting personal **** into their raps, though, as Reef the Lost Cauze, Viro the Virus, and Slug of Atmosphere are three of my favorite rappers.

illmitch
01-02-2010, 08:05 AM
i thought i was the only person who thought eminem was overrated, thank god

the best rapper to put personal **** in his raps, ever, is z-ro. no question about it.

Kyle
01-02-2010, 09:27 AM
Anybody into Eminem's pre Slim Shady LP material?

I love this track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-BEEIfn2M0

Raventhon
01-02-2010, 09:29 AM
Don't laugh, but I've never heard of z-ro. What album should I go get?

illmitch
01-02-2010, 09:36 AM
haha no worries. check out Let the Truth Be Told or The Life of Joseph W. McVey

HolidayKirk
01-02-2010, 12:15 PM
i thought i was the only person who thought eminem was overrated, thank god

the best rapper to put personal **** in his raps, ever, is z-ro. no question about it.

Freddie Gibbs is the most personal rapper ever.

illmitch
01-02-2010, 12:17 PM
i like freddie gibbs but so far he hasn't done anything to rival z-ro in my book

Bulldog
01-02-2010, 12:22 PM
Senim Silla or One Be Lo.

exredhouseresident
01-02-2010, 01:26 PM
Lil Wayne is easily one of the most under-rated MCs.

I can't see that. He's got a lot of bullshit rhymes people adore the **** out of.

Anybody into Eminem's pre Slim Shady LP material?

I love this track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-BEEIfn2M0

Yea, he was like a white, more violent G Rap back then. Infinite is a dope *** cd too. Can't see why he hasn't rereleased that album.

usmanity
01-03-2010, 10:18 PM
Eminem is a successful artist.

He seems to be just in the media for releasing his new music but really, all his older stuff is insanely good.

There are a lot of other artists who are way overrated than Eminem.

Shindleria Praematurus
01-03-2010, 10:24 PM
Eminem definitely got famous a little too much. That **** with Sasha queerboy Coe-hen was a little too much. Eminem flows hard on tracks when people need it.

someguest
01-03-2010, 10:31 PM
Bulldog's lul'n up a storm.

DeckerDontPlay
01-05-2010, 02:15 PM
That song Underground on the Relapse cd gives me hope that EM still has it. Eminem needs anger and hopefully Mariah has provided him with that.

Gattsu347
01-05-2010, 02:23 PM
This guy dont play^^

DeckerDontPlay
01-05-2010, 03:17 PM
I will ****in kill you

Led_Zep_Bonham
01-05-2010, 06:47 PM
Shut your goddamn mouth, Decker. You're a wuss and you know it. I'd say now is about the time to come out of the closet.

edit: Also you need to get out of my state and move back to your home. I'm betting you're from Nebraska, but no money on that - - just a gentleman's bet.

DeckerDontPlay
01-05-2010, 08:07 PM
I will murder you!!!!!

For real dude. For real.

California is a pile of dirt and it sucks you can have it, im only here temporarily.

Led_Zep_Bonham
01-05-2010, 08:12 PM
Exactly, wuss. GET OUT ALREADY.

DeckerDontPlay
01-05-2010, 08:13 PM
I seriously have muscles. For real

Led_Zep_Bonham
01-05-2010, 08:14 PM
Muscles in the wrong places. Honda's are for little kids & women.

Led_Zep_Bonham
01-05-2010, 08:18 PM
If you were a native California-brah you would have known that already. Go home now.

I'll say 'please' if you want me to do that.

DeckerDontPlay
01-05-2010, 08:18 PM
Big muscles.

Led_Zep_Bonham
01-05-2010, 08:20 PM
Decker like becker, but you are not a track wrecker
mess up your neck more like Spock, the Star Trekker

DeckerDontPlay
01-05-2010, 08:24 PM
Your state has AIDS

Led_Zep_Bonham
01-05-2010, 08:25 PM
Your next girlfriend does, watch out for that.

DeckerDontPlay
01-05-2010, 08:26 PM
I pull out stupid

Led_Zep_Bonham
01-05-2010, 08:28 PM
You're worthless.

DeckerDontPlay
01-05-2010, 08:31 PM
Lets hug it out bro bro

Led_Zep_Bonham
01-05-2010, 08:33 PM
Hahah, you sound like my dad. Are you?!

*wonders*

Damn this negro slave-addicted fatherhood that has cursed our brotherhood.

Andre3000
01-13-2010, 04:03 AM
way to spoil the thread, guys. and on the actual subject, i do agree em is seriously overrated, but that it doesn't diminish from his skills. IMO outkast are the perfect example of a succesful band who can still make great albums