Ted Kennedy is no longer among the living

[Neur0heiler]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TedKennedy/story?id=6692022

I think this would be a good time to discuss experimental advances in treating brain cancer

[Jaymz Hetfield]

Will they play a few Dead Kennedys tunes at his funeral?

I am not funny.

[Mute Requiem]

i'm impressed he wasn't killed earlier given their track record

[Neur0heiler]

yeah seriously what's this with the Kennedys and dying

they die left and right man they must be cursed

[Seafroggys]

Damn hoping I'd get to post this.

This sucks, he was very influential for liberal politics. I think, had he been well this past year, more would be done for the health care reform. He's the guy that Congress needed to get **** done.

That Kennedy generation is now wiped out. A 50 year era has passed.

[Mute Requiem]

yeah seriously what's this with the Kennedys and dying

they die left and right man they must be cursed

emphasis on left omg

[Neur0heiler]

ho hooo

[suspect device]

yeah seriously what's this with the Kennedys and dying

they die left and right man they must be cursed

well at least we got one of the best punk bands of all time out of it.

and there are lots of tragedies that touch people every single day. just because they are running the world doesn't mean they are immune to it. another american royal dies, wonder will he out do jacko

[cobert]

goodnight, sweet prince

[Bleak]

So who predicted Ted Kennedy for the next celebrity to die thread?

[twelve eight H]

i bet like every kennedy will die some day omg

[DBoons Ghost]

Damn hoping I'd get to post this.

This sucks, he was very influential for liberal politics. I think, had he been well this past year, more would be done for the health care reform. He's the guy that Congress needed to get **** done.

That Kennedy generation is now wiped out. A 50 year era has passed.

Lulz.

The entire Kennedy family was born of crime and villiany. Fitting they would be called American royalty.

I think all said and done Ted Kennedy was an elder statesmen and turned out to be a fine senator regardless of the fact that he was a stumbling drunk screw up in his personal life.

Some people will never forget he killed someone and got away with it. He got it done alright!

Good riddance to scum.

[Neur0heiler]

well "killing someone" is bit strong in this case since no malice was involved

if he was driving drunk, sure, shame on him, but I don't think he meant to kill anyone

[DBoons Ghost]

Ah, that excuses him.

I never accused the man of murder, but a young lady died because of his stupidity. Yeah he was driving drunk. Yeah he saved himself and left her to drown. Yes, he's a cowardly man.

But he didn't mean it.

[Berner]

He's of Irish descent. What do you expect?

[Neur0heiler]

this is why I don't drink

I wouldn't want to be responsible for anything like that

my mom drives home drunk sometimes it's really irritating

[gregulus]

It is possible to make sure that you're sober before you drive.

[Neur0heiler]

well yeah but like with alcohol you're in a different state of mind and idk

[Neur0heiler]

I was actually a passenger of a drunk driver once

scary as ****

[gregulus]

well yeah but like with alcohol you're in a different state of mind and idk

Oh sure. I don't deny that. It is possible to make sure that you don't reach the point where your judgement is seriously impaired, though. It seems a lot of people lack that sort of self-control.

[Berner]

Some people just get even dumber when alcohol is involved. No matter how black out drunk I get, I will never ever drive even if I have access to my car at the time. I've gone inside and slept in the backseat and waited til morning when I was sober enough to drive but never driven or even thought I could drive.

I really don't buy the whole different state of mind thing as much as I think it's more the case that people lose their inhibitions about doing things they claim to be against (ie driving drunk).

[Mr. Ron]

idk it depends on the person. Even at my worst I know not to drive.

[DBoons Ghost]

I was actually a passenger of a drunk driver once

scary as ****

Same here.

My first time I was really scared was coming out of a Ranger game. He was drunker then I but insisted on driving. He's my boy since 2nd grade so whaddya gonna do?

He wrecked bad a few blocks later. I left him there and jumped in a cab. The dude he hit was wasted too. Scary!

I will never make that mistake again. Should have just cabbed it or trained it from the Garden but it's always nice to get a ride. Now I know better.

This happened last year as well. I cannot risk anything. I got a family.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah its scary stuff. I've lost 3 people I knew to drunk driving/drivers.

[DBoons Ghost]

10 years ago a friend of mine accidentally killed two of our friends. It was bizarre.

Two guys stumble out of a bar, into the street. Drunk as skunks, car hits them. The car that hits them was going to pick them up to go to another bar. All of us were friends. We were already at the other bar.

Both of them died and the family is still trying to sue the bar. My boy got 7 years, but only served 4. He was never the same.

[nator]

ive heard kids actually brag about driving home drunk

why someone hasnt punched them in the face i dont know

[DBoons Ghost]

Karma is a sweet little bitch. Don't you worry.

[nator]

i wanna be your sweet little bitch

[fingers mccoy]

bike driving friend of mine drives drunk, high, whatever, i've been a passenger (out of necessity) many a time and it usually involves a lot of horrendous clippings of side mirrors, a face full of leaves and an eventual attempt at a static 180 degree turn which results in a pile of metal leather and flesh on the floor

i'm ****ing terrified of cars in general tho been hit by drunk drivers 3 times

[Mr. Ron]

ive heard kids actually brag about driving home drunk

why someone hasnt punched them in the face i dont know
oMg u wer SOOooOOOo smashed laSt nItE!*~


L0L i kNoW brah!*

[Neur0heiler]

i wanna be your sweet little bitch

I wanna frame a crime on you then drive drunk and get arrested and confess to perjury too and then I can be your sweet little bitch if we end up in the same facility

[gregulus]

oMg u wer SOOooOOOo smashed laSt nItE!*~


L0L i kNoW brah!*

ATTN: frat culture.

[cobert]

I ****ing hate when I ask people what they did the night before and they just itemize what they drank.

[Mr. Ron]

I just hate people drinking terrible beer. Its literally beer flavored water.

[Berner]

I just hate people drinking terrible beer. Its literally beer flavored water.


See: All the major American brands.

[DBoons Ghost]

See: All the major American brands.

With few exceptions. I know people hate Sam Adams but the seasonals are delicious.

I believe Sam qualifies as a major US brand unless I am mistaken.

I'd rather drink my own piss then touch Bud, Coors, Miller or Michelob.

[Berner]

It sort of does but it still sucks.

[DBoons Ghost]

Summer Sam is delicious.

Yuengling is also delicious but they're not a major brand as far as I can tell.

I do prefer imports myself.

[Mr. Ron]

See: All the major American brands.
Most, yes. Sam Adams still stands out as a high quality big brand, though.

If you want high quality American beers you have to go to micro brewers or smaller companies. Dogfish head makes some very interesting beers.

http://www.dogfish.com/

[Berner]

Summer Sam is delicious.

Yuengling is also delicious but they're not a major brand as far as I can tell.

I do prefer imports myself.


I'd probably have a hard time finding that type of stuff in Canada.

Most, yes. Sam Adams still stands out as a high quality big brand, though.

If you want high quality American beers you have to go to micro brewers or smaller companies. Dogfish head makes some very interesting beers.

http://www.dogfish.com/


Yeah micro brewers own all over the place. We have a couple of places in the city here that I usually end up getting trashed when I go to because I just want to keep trying all the different beer they have.

[DBoons Ghost]

Canada has amazing beers and even more amazing microbrewers. No reason for you to drink our swill.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah micro brewers own all over the place. We have a couple of places in the city here that I usually end up getting trashed when I go to because I just want to keep trying all the different beer they have.
haha yeah, I got a bit sauced when a local pub was having a special on micro brews because there are so many and I'm a bit of a beer snob. >_>

[Berner]

Canada has amazing beers and even more amazing microbrewers. No reason for you to drink our swill.


Pretty much. If I do drink American beer I like Rolling Rock. It's good for a light beer.

haha yeah, I got a bit sauced when a local pub was having a special on micro brews because there are so many and I'm a bit of a beer snob. >_>


This one place I go to quite a bit does Blackberry Mead at Christmas time. 8.5%. Prepare to get wrecked.

[suspect device]

He's of Irish descent. What do you expect?

yeah, its terrible the way all these americans claim some sort of irish heritage. sort of makes you feel sorry for the irish. but not quite. i read somewhere recently that obama reckoned he was part irish, it must be the sunny southeast since i can't think elsewhere the family would have picked up that pigmentation, either that or they were all guinness soaked missionaries

[DENEpants]

it sucks he died in the middle of the health care fight because he was so strong on the cause, the democrats might lose the super majority too and thats no bueno.

[gregulus]

yeah, its terrible the way all these americans claim some sort of irish heritage. sort of makes you feel sorry for the irish. but not quite. i read somewhere recently that obama reckoned he was part irish, it must be the sunny southeast since i can't think elsewhere the family would have picked up that pigmentation, either that or they were all guinness soaked missionaries

Heritage isn't really discernible based on skin color. Why would you think it is?

[McP3000]

thank god this large bundle of sticks died, too bad isnt more painful the little sonuvabitch

[Neur0heiler]

wow you really hate him how cum

[Angmar]

He's from Texas.

[Neur0heiler]

McP's post reminded me of this:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=633828

One more Zog henchman bites the dust

Teddy Zog Kennedy died today.

One Less parasite in the body politic of America

[Iskandar]

Yeah being happy a politician died because they were from the party you don't support is pretty immature.

[Det_Nosnip]

Eh...can't say that I would've cried if Cheney passed away, so it's hard for me to judge them for that. I do have to say that the Kennedys were a mixed blessing for America...JFK was overrated, most of them were corrupt, and they were a dynasty by most definitions, which is highly anti-democratic. Ted Kennedy certainly had his good issues (Health care and Obama's campaign being the most recent and high profile), but then he also supported No Child Left Behind. His death will be a blow to the health care campaign which will probably end up leading to even more death, but I'm not about to deify the man like CNN and MSNBC seem to be doing.

[Neur0heiler]

Teddy Zog Kennedy messed with states' rahts

[gregulus]

Yeah being happy a politician died because they were from the party you don't support is pretty immature.

but hes a gawd dayum librul.

[Mr. Ron]

yeah Kennedy was pretty much a **** up tbh

[Iskandar]

Right now he's a corpse.
Eh...can't say that I would've cried if Cheney passed away, so it's hard for me to judge them for that.But you wouldn't gloat would you.

[Mr. Ron]

Oh please half of this forum would be gloating if Cheney died

[Neur0heiler]

that gawud dammed librul elitist dun kicked thuh bucket

I'm gunna git out muh fav'rit confedrit flag cap

[freeliminator]

you should be happy a politician died because it was a politician that died

[Neur0heiler]

down with the zog

[Iskandar]

Oh please half of this forum would be gloating if Cheney diedYeah so that's equally immature.

[Pop music sucks]

It keeps things centered. The ship's sails dances with the wind! The surf laps upon the beach! The bacon is with the eggs!

[Iskandar]

I don't eat meat dude.

[Pop music sucks]

Well you're missing out on the wonderous breakfast of eggs and bac'y.

[Mr. Ron]

He is. But he's one of those people. You know. One of those.

[YDtoad]

It's really too bad that the MSM holds such a glaring double standard. When Strom Thurman died, not a single broadcast failed to note his past involvement in the segregation movement, in spite of the fact that he had stepped away from that more than 30 years prior. Yet with Ted Kennedy, all you had was hagiography. RIP to a guy that fought doggedly for causes that I mostly disagreed with. In fact, about the only cause Ted Kennedy fought doggedly for that I agreed with was the continuation of his life.

For me, Kennedy is about on par with Thurman. Both men lived lives that were in many ways remarkable. Both lives were marked by disgrace and triumph. It's a shame that the MSM has such a glaring disparity of coverage.

[Badmoon]

I lost a deathpool bet on him.

I was not educated on how ill he was.

I was taken. :(

[DBoons Ghost]

Yeah being happy a politician died because they were from the party you don't support is pretty immature.

Ahh immature?

He was and always will be an absolute blight on American politics.

Guy gets thrown out of Harvard for cheating, is criminally negligent in the death of a young woman he cared nothing for, and is now being celebrated by a liberally biased bought out media circuit.

I'll accept it's immature to dance on his grave, but that doesn't make it any less right.

Who are you to judge anyway? Moron.

Call the media immature. Steve nailed it. Thurman never killed anyone and never cheated in college. He got two paragraphs focusing on all he did wrong.

They didn't mention that for Teddy until paragraph 12. His last name was all he had. Whether or not he did any good for this country remains a matter of opinion.

We're the immature ones though aren't we? Get off the high horse kiddo. Stay out of it if you're a clueless fool.

[gregulus]

Sassy.

[Neur0heiler]

college is worthless doesn't matter if you cheat

[DBoons Ghost]

college is worthless doesn't matter if you cheat


:smash:

[Neur0heiler]

let's heard it for Ted Kennedy he stuck it to those pointy-headed profs

[DBoons Ghost]

Dude if that was you or me who got tossed out of Harvard for cheating only later to being responsible for the death of an innocent young woman while drunk driving, do you think we'd have won a Senate election and ran for President?

[Neur0heiler]

I'd run on the Anti-Intellectualism and Drunk Driving Legalization ticket and enjoy a meteoric rise to political success

just think how many American voters would go for soundbites like this:

WEE DONT NEED NO POOPY BOOK LERNING THATS FOR STUPID NERDS AND ALSO I THINK U DRIVE BETTER WEN UR DRUNK CUZ THATS WHAT MY GUT TELLS ME

I'd win 80% of the vote

easily

[Iskandar]

It's really too bad that the MSM holds such a glaring double standard. When Strom Thurman died, not a single broadcast failed to note his past involvement in the segregation movement, in spite of the fact that he had stepped away from that more than 30 years prior. Yet with Ted Kennedy, all you had was hagiography. RIP to a guy that fought doggedly for causes that I mostly disagreed with. In fact, about the only cause Ted Kennedy fought doggedly for that I agreed with was the continuation of his life.

For me, Kennedy is about on par with Thurman. Both men lived lives that were in many ways remarkable. Both lives were marked by disgrace and triumph. It's a shame that the MSM has such a glaring disparity of coverage.Librul media strikes again eh. It's not the fault of Americans that they find segregation more repugnant than healthcare reform or whatever.
In fact, about the only cause Ted Kennedy fought doggedly for that I agreed with was the continuation of his life.So you didn't agree with anything he did, but you wanted him to stay alive and therefore in the Senate.

[YDtoad]

Librul media strikes again eh. It's not the fault of Americans that they find segregation more repugnant than healthcare reform or whatever

More like causing the death of a woman, not being punished for it, and then joking about it. Every bit as indefensible as campaigning for segregation.


So you didn't agree with anything he did, but you wanted him to stay alive and therefore in the Senate.

Well I'd prefer that he would've been voted out of the senate long ago but yes, very much alive.

[Neur0heiler]

personally I think thuh mainstream media didn't make a big enough deal of Clinton's penis

that shows their librul bias

[Angmar]

The librul media made too much of a deal out of William Ayers and Obama being a secret Muslim owait lol.

[Iskandar]

More like causing the death of a woman, not being punished for it, and then joking about it. Every bit as indefensible as campaigning for segregation.What are you talking about.
Well I'd prefer that he would've been voted out of the senate long ago but yes, very much alive.Since that wasn't going to happen, wishing for him to die would be more in line with your interests. But it wouldn't affect him either way.

[robertsona]

good thread

[Against Miik!]

Ted Kennedy killed a woman

[Iskandar]

Little more info would be nice.

[Against Miik!]

That wasn't a joke

On the night of July 18, 1969, Kennedy was on Martha's Vineyard's Chappaquiddick Island at a party for the "Boiler Room Girls", a group of young women who had worked on his brother Robert's presidential campaign the year before. Kennedy left the party, driving a 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88 with one of the women, 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne and later accidentally drove off Dike Bridge into the Poucha Pond inlet, a tidal channel on Chappaquiddick Island. Kennedy escaped the overturned vehicle, swam to safety and left the scene. He did not call authorities until after Kopechne's body was discovered the following day.

On July 25, Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and was given a sentence of two months in jail, suspended. That night, he gave a national broadcast in which he said, "I regard as indefensible the fact that I did not report the accident to the police immediately", but denied driving under the influence of alcohol and denied any immoral conduct between him and Kopechne. Kennedy asked the Massachusetts electorate whether he should stay in office and, after getting a favorable response, he did so.

In January 1970, an inquest into Kopechne's death took place in Edgartown, Massachusetts. At the request of Kennedy's lawyers, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ordered the inquest be conducted in secret. The presiding judge, James A. Boyle, concluded that some aspects of Kennedy's story of that night were not true, and that "negligent driving appears to have contributed to the death of Mary Jo Kopechne." A grand jury on Martha's Vineyard staged a two-day investigation in April 1970 but issued no indictment, after which Boyle made his inquest report public. Kennedy deemed its conclusions "not justified." Doubts about the Chappaquiddick incident generated a large number of articles and books over the next several years.

Kennedy easily won re-election to another term in the Senate in 1970 with 62 percent of the vote against underfunded Republican candidate Josiah Spaulding, although he received about 500,000 fewer votes than in 1964

[robertsona]

who else reads his username as 'Against Milk!'

[Iskandar]

That wasn't a jokeI wasn't disputing if it was. I'd just never heard this before.

It was wrong of him to not confess but I don't think Steve's fair to equate this with support for segregation.

[cobert]

who else reads his username as 'against milk!'

i. ‪

[DENEpants]

who else reads his username as 'Against Milk!'

i do, every single time. i never learn my lesson.

[DENEpants]

wow, kennedy really did kill a bitch. it wasn't even like accidental manslaughter or anything..

[Iskandar]

Unless he drove off a bridge on purpose, yeah it's manslaughter.

[YDtoad]

Unless he drove off a bridge on purpose, yeah it's manslaughter.

I don't see where negligent manslaughter is anywhere less morally abhorrent than advocating segregation. In fact, one can reasonably make the case that as offensive as segregation was, manslaughter is a worse offense as segregation, while inexcusable, did not kill anyone.

Kennedy also had some very questionable activities in relation with his nephew, a serial rapist (see: William Kennedy Smith).

[Iskandar]

I don't see where negligent manslaughter is anywhere less morally abhorrent than advocating segregation. In fact, one can reasonably make the case that as offensive as segregation was, manslaughter is a worse offense as segregation, while inexcusable, did not kill anyone.Sometimes I don't know if I should take you seriously or not.

One case of manslaughter versus the segregation of an entire race and you're arguing they're morally equivalent.
Kennedy also had some very questionable activities in relation with his nephew, a serial rapist (see: William Kennedy Smith).Oh gawd guilt by association it's the Obama campaign all over again.

[YDtoad]

One case of manslaughter versus the segregation of an entire race and you're arguing they're morally equivalent.

Actually I'm arguing that Kennedy's offense, especially as he never expressed remorse, might be worse.

Your argument is that because segregation affected more people, it is worse.

So that means Ted Kennedy could have killed 100 people, 1000 people, 10000 people, and still not as accountable as Thurman. It appears to infer that you consider Thurman worse than Osama Bin Laden, because more people were affected.

My argument, conversely, is that the severity of the offense, as opposed to the total number of people affected, dictates how offensive the crime is. Thus if I steal $5 from 100 people, I am not near as bad as if I kill a single person.


Oh gawd guilt by association it's the Obama campaign all over again.

It's more like guilt by using your power to get a serial rapist acquitted.

[gregulus]

Whether or not an individual expresses remorse is irrelevant to the action itself.

I really do hate to do this (Godwin's Law, etc.), but using your same argument, you would have to argue that the Nazi segregation of the Jews into ghettos is more morally acceptable than the accidental (and irresponsible) taking of one person's life. Also, forced segregation does often grow into something much more violent (e.g. lynchings and extermination camps) and often neglects the well-being of those subject to the segregation.

[YDtoad]

Whether or not an individual expresses remorse is irrelevant to the action itself.

It is, however, relevant to posthumous remembrance of the individual.


I really do hate to do this (Godwin's Law, etc.), but using your same argument, you would have to argue that the Nazi segregation of the Jews into ghettos is more morally acceptable than the accidental (and irresponsible) taking of one person's life. Also, forced segregation does often grow into something much more violent (e.g. lynchings and extermination camps) and often neglects the well-being of those subject to the segregation.

Ah but the ghettos were death traps--they were designed to starve Jews to death. It was just too slow for the Nazis, so they sped up the plan with the final solution.

Also, I don't think that Thurman ever endorsed or defended violence against blacks, although the point about the natural side effects of endorsing segregation is valid.

[gregulus]

It is, however, relevant to posthumous remembrance of the individual.
Which is still irrelevant to the morality of the action itself.

[Against Miik!]

You guys there is no formula for deciding which action is more offensive or more moral compared to another. And in the end, why even argue if a segregationist or a murderer is worse?

Also, as far as Kennedy's situation goes, lets break this down. He's driving a woman home from a party on Martha's Vineyard, and he's a Kennedy. So he's obviously impaired and looking for some action. In his impaired state, he drives off a bridge. He gets out and leaves, even though their was another person in the car.

If her body had never been found, its a pretty fair assumption he would have never admitted to anything. I'd say this chain of events is about as morally reprehensible as murder, because even though it was an accident, it shows the same lack of remorse and concern for human life.

[robertsona]

he's a kennedy so he just wanted to sex her



ya ok

[McP3000]

Iskandar is defending Ted Kennedy because he's a democrat

[Iskandar]

I don't really care about Ted Kennedy. I just think Strom Thurmond was much worse.
So that means Ted Kennedy could have killed 100 people, 1000 people, 10000 people, and still not as accountable as Thurman. It appears to infer that you consider Thurman worse than Osama Bin Laden, because more people were affected.Your loaded comparisons really piss me off sometimes.

Even if we assume death is worse than segregation, it's not really within our power to say 3000+ outweighs however many people were affected by segregation. But one death is pretty minor compared to both. Unethical? Yeah. But does it make the man a monster? Not convincing.
My argument, conversely, is that the severity of the offense, as opposed to the total number of people affected, dictates how offensive the crime is. Thus if I steal $5 from 100 people, I am not near as bad as if I kill a single person.More like if you oppress millions of people for decades.

[McP3000]

oppressing millions of people?

sounds like a personal problem

[Iskandar]

Your posts are really getting on my nerves.

[Pop music sucks]

In fact, one can reasonably make the case that as offensive as segregation was, manslaughter is a worse offense as segregation, while inexcusable, did not kill anyone.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears?

I mean, the entire relationship with the Native Americans until the late 19th century was both indirectly and directly hostile.

[Seafroggys]

natives had it worse than anybody

[Neur0heiler]

guys

guys

guys

Chappaquiddick

[DBoons Ghost]

guys

guys

guys

Chappaquiddick

!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

[suspect device]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears?

I mean, the entire relationship with the Native Americans until the late 19th century was both indirectly and directly hostile.

i had read that the relationship was very positive at the outset in north america

[Neur0heiler]

!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

that Ted Kennedy was pure evil

[DBoons Ghost]

Ted Kennedy = :evil:

[Pop music sucks]

i had read that the relationship was very positive at the outset in north americaIt was, up until the colonists were endeavouring into what would be present day Indiana/Ohio. Then it became a domino effect **** hit the tipi.

[robertsona]

he did something bad therefore everything he did is bad how hard is this for you guys to see jeez