Bill Maher: "America is a dumb country"

[1338 h4x0r]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLZCzXWH4hc

:lol:

Unfortunately he's right

I don't like our empire, but I like potential replacements even less

sucks...

[1338 h4x0r]

I x-posted this to a forum in Sweden and will bring up any interesting comments that come up in that thread

[adb]

Bill Maher calling a christian nation dumb?

didn't see that coming

Religulous was pretty good though

[griftadan]

aren't all countries when taken in aggregate pretty dumb?

[Wickerton]

its not really dumb comparatively

actually its pretty smart

[TheDarkHorse]

Religulous was pretty good though
No it really wasn't.

[Wickerton]

goat

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[TheDarkHorse]

goat

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lol

[andyneverstoppingmachine]

goat

goat

goat

goat

is one of these going to become a man before my very eyes

[beso negro]

another condescending liberal

[Mr. Ron]

I don't think he means we're academically dumb, just lacking foresight.

[1338 h4x0r]

aren't all countries when taken in aggregate pretty dumb?

yes but see below

its not really dumb comparatively

actually its pretty smart

We're a nation of extremes

We have a lot of the smartest people but also very very many of the absolute rock-bottom dumbest

No it really wasn't.

You probably didn't even watch it

I find it difficult to imagine you sitting through a film like that

[beso negro]

We have a lot of the smartest people but also very very many of the absolute rock-bottom dumbest

nope. see australia.

[1338 h4x0r]

another condescending liberal

Does the fact that he's condescending make him wrong

[1338 h4x0r]

what about aus

[Mr. Ron]

religulous was funny, especially when he talked to that guy who prayed for water at a party and it "came to him because he asked god". lol

But other than that, it said nothing knew, so it was sort of boring in that respect.

[Wickerton]

another condescending liberal

bill maher calls himself a libertarian

but i dont know why

[adb]

religulous was funny, especially when he talked to that guy who prayed for water at a party and it "came to him because he asked god". lol

But other than that, it said nothing knew, so it was sort of boring in that respect.

it was an amusing movie for awhile then dragged a little

[1338 h4x0r]

a majority of Americans can't name a single branch of government

not even one

20% believe the Sun goes around the Earth

how did it come to this

[beso negro]

Does the fact that he's condescending make him wrong

no even he was nice he's still wrong

p.s. love the anecdotal evidence

[Wickerton]

We're a nation of extremes

We have a lot of the smartest people but also very very many of the absolute rock-bottom dumbest
idk

if we're talking about an average for all the countries in the world its probably near the top

western countries its probably about the same

[1338 h4x0r]

20% of Americans believe the Sun goes about the Earth

[Wickerton]

20% of Americans believe the Sun goes about the Earth
prove it doesnt

[beso negro]

even if that was true who cares. 1/5 people are poor. knowing that the earth orbits the sun isn't going to help them pick up my trash any quicker.

[Wickerton]

also i want data from other countries on the same question before we call america dumb

[1338 h4x0r]

prove it doesnt

......

Bush did heliocentrism btw

even if that was true who cares. 1/5 people are poor. knowing that the earth orbits the sun isn't going to help them pick up my trash any quicker.

what were you saying about condescension

also i want data from other countries on the same question before we call america dumb

I'm willing to bet it's less throughout western Europe

at the very least

[1338 h4x0r]

oh ok I was wrong

http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/New-Poll-Gauges-Americans-General-Knowledge-Levels.aspx

Probing a more universal measure of knowledge, Gallup also asked the following basic science question, which has been used to indicate the level of public knowledge in two European countries in recent years: "As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun or does the sun revolve around the earth?" In the new poll, about four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the other way around. These results are comparable to those found in Germany when a similar question was asked there in 1996; in response to that poll, 74% of Germans gave the correct answer, while 16% thought the sun revolved around the earth, and 10% said they didn't know. When the question was asked in Great Britain that same year, 67% answered correctly, 19% answered incorrectly, and 14% didn't know.

Christ that is powerful stupid

[Wickerton]

no im serious prove the earth revolves around the sun

protip: you cant

[1338 h4x0r]

of course not

science doesn't prove anything

[griftadan]

We're a nation of extremes

We have a lot of the smartest people but also very very many of the absolute rock-bottom dumbest

this is every country

[Chrysostom]

When the question was asked in Great Britain that same year, 67% answered correctly, 19% answered incorrectly, and 14% didn't know.[/indent]

Christ that is powerful stupid

Screw the Sun, thems the kind of clevers wut helpt builded us's Empire, man!

In all seriousness, I'm deeply ashamed of my fellow countrymen for this.

[1338 h4x0r]

this is every country

not really

most developed countries don't have creationist musea

[Wickerton]

of course not

science doesn't prove anything
colloquial usage

movement is relative, the sun can be moving around the earth, or the earth can be moving around the sun

so you be agnostic about it

[1338 h4x0r]

are you aware that spaceflight often depends on heliocentrism

[Wickerton]

thats irrelevant to whether the sun revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/03/does-the-earth-move-around-the-sun/

[griftadan]

not really

most developed countries don't have creationist musea

i think you just don't know enough about other countries

[maxwell_1888]

oh ok I was wrong

http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/New-Poll-Gauges-Americans-General-Knowledge-Levels.aspx

Probing a more universal measure of knowledge, Gallup also asked the following basic science question, which has been used to indicate the level of public knowledge in two European countries in recent years: "As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun or does the sun revolve around the earth?" In the new poll, about four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the other way around. These results are comparable to those found in Germany when a similar question was asked there in 1996; in response to that poll, 74% of Germans gave the correct answer, while 16% thought the sun revolved around the earth, and 10% said they didn't know. When the question was asked in Great Britain that same year, 67% answered correctly, 19% answered incorrectly, and 14% didn't know.

Christ that is powerful stupid

They both move around a common center of mass located inside the Sun.

Kind of like this.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Orbit4.gif

[1338 h4x0r]

thats irrelevant to whether the sun revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/03/does-the-earth-move-around-the-sun/

In particular, gravity in the Solar System is extremely well described as “flat spacetime (as in special relativity) plus a small perturbation.” From this perspective, we can very well define inertial frames in the flat background spacetime on top of which gravity is a tiny perturbation. And in those frames, it’s the Sun that is basically stationary and the Earth that is truly moving.

Way to read the article

i think you just don't know enough about other countries

huh

[Wickerton]

Way to read the article


so you pick up on a footnote with a counter-view that says 'hey if you look at it like this, on the other hand...' and tell me i didnt read the article

[1338 h4x0r]

that's not a footnote

that's the conclusion

[Wickerton]

On the other hand,

does not indicate a conclusion of previous thoughts

[1338 h4x0r]

Last sentence in the article

"So even the most highly sensitive general-relativists would not complain if you said that the Earth moved around the Sun, unless they hadn’t yet had their coffee that morning and were feeling especially confrontational."

[Wickerton]

that just implies that its something not generally argued

being difficult doesnt make you incorrect

[1338 h4x0r]

what

[Wickerton]

its right there re read it

[griftadan]

huh

there are probably things a lot dumber than the creationist museum and every country just because we don't know about them doesn't make other countries more intelligent

[cobert]

LOL at "I don't need to clarify."

America isn't uniquely "dumb." As said before, when taken in aggregate, all countries are dumb.

[gregulus]

Being as dumb as everyone else doesn't mean that it should be acceptable. Of course, it also doesn't mean that we should target America alone for mass stupidity.

[1338 h4x0r]

Well here's what happened in the other thread

Jag vet inte om Sverige eller något annat land är mycket bättre.
Det låter nästan som om du har för höga förhoppningar om oss. :)

"I don't know whether Sweden or any other land is much better. It seems almost as though you have too high hopes for us."

I replied:

Smått högre

Jag har höga förhoppningar bara för klassisk Alexandria

"Somewhat higher

I have high hopes only for classical Alexandria"

So yeah idk a lot of countries definitely aren't better than us and many are worse but at least in my experience I find that people from Europe and particularly western and northern Europe tend to be more knowledgeable about the world

[Smokey D]

Why did you feel you needed to post it in the original?

For someone who's keen on maths you seem to be forgetting some fairly basic rules about sampling.

Perhaps the reason European people you interact with appear smarter is because you tend to interact (via the internet presumably) with people who are in fact smarter. You weed out the dumb ones in a way you can't do with Americans.

[1338 h4x0r]

Why did you feel you needed to post it in the original?

For someone who's keen on maths you seem to be forgetting some fairly basic rules about sampling.

Perhaps the reason European people you interact with appear smarter is because you tend to interact (via the internet presumably) with people who are in fact smarter. You weed out the dumb ones in a way you can't do with Americans.

idk Luke

I've met quite a few in person

many of whom did not share lots and lots of my interests

many of whom have confided in me that they also find the average American kind of dim

[1338 h4x0r]

I posted the original for anyone who might be interested in seeing it and also because I'm a pretentious faggot

I translated it

stop whining

[Smokey D]

I've met quite a few in person

many of whom did not share lots and lots of my interests

many of whom have confided in me that they also find the average American kind of dim

The point is that the people you meet and interact with are likely to be selected in some way, and the Europeans you meet are likely to be selected for intelligence or something similar, rather than proximity. This seems pretty obvious.

I posted the original for anyone who might be interested in seeing it and also because I'm a pretentious large bundle of sticks


Your words not mine.

[andyneverstoppingmachine]

idk Luke

I've met quite a few in person

many of whom did not share lots and lots of my interests

many of whom have confided in me that they also find the average American kind of dim

but your experience doesnt mean anything

[1338 h4x0r]

The point is that the people you meet and interact with are likely to be selected in some way, and the Europeans you meet are likely to be selected for intelligence or something similar, rather than proximity. This seems pretty obvious.

maybe

kind of

to a degree

I know about the dumb ones too through second-hand experience though

Svennebanan, svennebanan, svennebanan

Your words not mine.

of course

I'm a pretentious faggot

there I just told everyone again

but your experience doesnt mean anything

well it means something ... I acknowledge it isn't exhaustive and certainly isn't totally free from bias and sampling errors

[Smokey D]

I know about the dumb ones too through second-hand experience though

So there's a process of double selection going on. No wonder you can't draw meaningful conclusions about them.

[1338 h4x0r]

what does that mean

[Smokey D]

Well, you have selected the people you interact with. Presumably, they have selected the people they interact with. So if you're getting second hand accounts, the information you receive has been refracted at least twice.

[1338 h4x0r]

except Svennebanan is a song about all the dumb upper middle class wankers in Sweden and their overly indulgent habits

[1338 h4x0r]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7NFvhletp8

the pictures help explain

[Smokey D]

What are you even talking about

[TerranYouApart]

yeah i mean any country that attacks itself and lies to its citizens to provoke war on an area of importance to its survival is pretty dumb i agree

¿que es el pedo con la verdad?

[1338 h4x0r]

Jews did WTC

What are you even talking about

dumb people in other countries

[DBoons Ghost]

a majority of Americans can't name a single branch of government

not even one

20% believe the Sun goes around the Earth

how did it come to this


It came to this because you know little about the reality of life for millions of Americans because you are not a working adult.

In 10 more years when you're working in your field I hope you keep your wits sharp in all facets of every day life.

See, I bet most people can't name a single branch of government or even tell you how what planet revolves around what.

I bet they can tell you quite a bit about their respective fields in which they work 10 hours a day in to provide a better life for their children.

This is why little tidbits like that, as you keep spewing them are quite absurd and for all your intellect the fact you can't realize something like this makes me see in retrospect you're about as useful to them as they are to you.

See how that works?

[Give me Beer]

Eh, I read what people post under articles on newswebsites, and I'm pretty sure the amount of complete idiots is as high in Europe as it is in the USA.

DBoon, while there's something to your argument, it's getting kind of old. You've been progressively moving towards a more 'anti-intellectual' viewpoint, which is getting sort of to be the reverse of what you're complaining about.

There's no need to idealize the 'working man' either. A lot of them are idiots all the same. Just as a lot of 'college students' are.

[DBoons Ghost]

It's already old and stale but as long as adverse viewpoints are continuously posted I will be there to inject common sense.

It's funny you call me out on being "anti-intellectual" yet every time one of these threads get going no one calls out the "pro-intellectual".

I'm also not complaining. I'm just trying to post sense.

There's a lot of reasons to idealize the working man to this forum. Buncha slacker academics who love to read their own hogwash while life passes them by.

Hope all is well with you either way dude.

[jaredong]

ugh lol, lately my mind has been wondering off to agreeing with dboon on this case.

The life of an academic, from what i gather, is pretty unidimensional / narrow. Its kinda reactionary. (Writing articles/assessments of things *after* they happened in some journal that nobody would read except other academics equally cloistered) A lot of description, a lot of critiques, but not so much put into action in the real world. Everything is so second hand, nothing is "done".

Being in university atm, i feel at times that everything so abstracted from the "real world". Yea, I enjoy the things i do, and i think that abstract / theoretical thinking is important. But, to be abit ironic i guess, i shall pull an academic reference on Hegel into this. He suggests that you fully "actualize" or self determine yourself, not only in your mind, but perhaps more importantly in the objective world, through your property, being a family member, working in the market place etc.

Personally, I do like my university education; but i cant wait to get out and apply myself to do something "real" with my life.

[Give me Beer]

That was kind of my point though. I understand why the over-estimation of academia can get quite annoying, but you're starting to make it a 'tit for tat' issue. While it's not necessary to over-intellectualize everything, the reverse isn't exactly ideal either.

I have a lot of problems with the current structure of academia, but I'm not about to over-idealize the 'working world' as the 'real world'. It isn't, there's nothing inherently more 'real' about the 'working man' than there is about being an 'intellectual'*, nor do you need to be employed at a university, or be attending one, to be an intellectual.

It's not a dirty word, and I do, honestly and sincerely believe that everybody should strive continously to keep educating themselves, and that the two worlds are not incompatible. I have quite a few friends, with which I go back a long way, that have opted for other paths than academia. Yet, at the same time, I can still discuss poetry, literature, philosophy and politics with them in a reasonable matter.

Even though they work as plumbers, in construction, as bar owners or the army. I do appreciate the different perspectives I get from them, which are different from people who spend most of their time in books. But they aren't inherently more or less valuable than those I get from my friends that are in the process of getting their PhD.

Of course, I know which one I'd ask to fix my car and which one I'd ask about the finer points of the transmission of political discourse through literature.

* As a side note here, I'm quite convinced that the management of about half the companies I have experience with, aren't living in the real world either. To say nothing about such great enviroments as the 'stock market', those people aren't even on earth anymore. ;-)

** ... I am wary about people that talk about representing the 'common sense' or 'what everybody thinks'.

'Cause in my experience, they'll follow that up by explaining to me the inherent dangers of Islamic immigration, while equating problematic inner city youth with Al Quada militants. Probably followed up by a sneer at the socialistic party, and an absurd claim that nobody in the 'real world' would vote for them.:rolleyes:

Sorry, getting a bit of topic there.

Hope everything's working out for you too by the way. I'm now legally living together with my partner, who is in the process of learning my language and getting her immigration in order. Aside from that, journalistic & political work plus thesis. I'm a busy man. ^_^ Hope the kid is fine.

[Wickerton]

well

islamic immigration is bad

so it would seem you should be listening to them

[Give me Beer]

See, a prime example of people that should educate themselves a bit. At least a few reading courses are in order. The problems we have in Brussels with our inner city youth, are quite unrelated to the religion that is associated with their ethnic background.

[Wickerton]

i didnt say why islamic immigration is bad

any influx of authoritarians in a democratic society is a bad thing

[DBoons Ghost]

Lol, GMB I see the point. I am playing tit for tat. It stems from boredom and for that I will try to curb it.

Glad to hear things are well though. My daughter is awesome, and news was broken to her this weekend that she will become a big sister in March of 2010.

Child number two incoming! Can't wait. We're all very excited about a new baby in the family. Dunno the sex yet but Doc says she's due in March. Awesome!

[Wickerton]

you're a real fritzl dboon, already thinking about the sex

[DBoons Ghost]

It's important for planning. I only care if it's healthy.

Though I see through your attempt at wordplay. Bravo and carry on.

[1338 h4x0r]

In 10 more years when you're working in your field I hope you keep your wits sharp in all facets of every day life.

Ya pretty much although I won't spend much time on celebrity news or summat since many people in their busy busy busy lives seem to prioritize that kind of thing over "HOW OUR GOVERNMENT REPRESENTS US"

See, I bet most people can't name a single branch of government

You're right it's not important to be civically engaged in the world's most powerful democracy

I bet they can tell you quite a bit about their respective fields in which they work 10 hours a day in to provide a better life for their children

I've never liked playing the world's smallest violin so please put it back in it's world's smallest violin case

This is why little tidbits like that, as you keep spewing them are quite absurd and for all your intellect the fact you can't realize something like this makes me see in retrospect you're about as useful to them as they are to you.

I don't care if they think I'm unimportant as long as they get my fries to me piping hot

See how that works?

/Arnold voice "NO"

It's funny you call me out on being "anti-intellectual" yet every time one of these threads get going no one calls out the "pro-intellectual".

:lol:

There's a lot of reasons to idealize the working man to this forum. Buncha slacker academics who love to read their own hogwash while life passes them by.

Neuroscience isn't hogwash k just saying

Nothing that can produce mind-reading techniques and reckon how to turn off the empathy switch in soldiers is hogwash

[DBoons Ghost]

I'm glad you enjoyed that.

[TerranYouApart]

turning off the "empathy switch" now that's progressive.

lol

[1338 h4x0r]

"no one calls out the pro-intellectual"

at least not here

sometimes

and why should they

[1338 h4x0r]

turning off the "empathy switch" now that's progressive

maybe yeah but being able to produce a berserker army is not "hogwash"

[DBoons Ghost]

So L338 I promise from now on I will not try to interrupt your diabolical plans for a master race of supremely intelligent beings covering the planet.

Although, when none of them want to pick up your garbage or provide security for your mall shopping experiences don't expect me not to say I told you so.

[DBoons Ghost]

Also just in case I guffawed at "pro-intellectual" as well.

I'm becoming sad, if I've not hit that mark already.

[1338 h4x0r]

So L338 I promise from now on I will not try to interrupt your diabolical plans for a master race of supremely intelligent beings covering the planet.

Although, when none of them want to pick up your garbage or provide security for your mall shopping experiences don't expect me not to say I told you so.

that's what semi-conscious trash drones are for

they will not take your trash away

they will put bullets on your trash

they will kill your trash

[DBoons Ghost]

I see your vision of the future, and I like it.

You've sold me. I promise not to try to hold you back any longer.

[1338 h4x0r]

I'm thinking about dogs hijacked to go around eating trash

they'll have artificial stomachs capable of metabolizing plastic and coffee grounds

[DBoons Ghost]

PETA might not like that.

[1338 h4x0r]

**** PETA

[JohnXDoe]

he is right to some extent

but imo its more naive, not so much dumb

although some would say there is a thin line...

[Wickerton]

i forgot about the earth revolving around the sun thing

i remain unconvinced

[1338 h4x0r]

deal with it

[guitarded_chuck]

lol

maher is awesome

[Wickerton]

deal with it
is that a peer reviewed statement

[1338 h4x0r]

no

if you want to believe the Sun goes around the Earth, go ahead

I don't care

[Wickerton]

no i told you

im agnostic

you're the one making a positive statement

[DBoons Ghost]

Bill has his monents, but calling everyone stupid for not agreeing with his politics means he should choke on a **** and die.

Talk about selfish prick douche.

I normally like Bill, but his politics suck balls.

[1338 h4x0r]

idk he's pretty cool most of the time except for the homeopathy and PETA

[guitarded_chuck]

He's a comedian and uses shock tactics to entertain his audience. You're supposed to love him and hate him. In the end, he's awesome and his show is great, and Religulous was pretty good too.

[1338 h4x0r]

I want to see if I can find Religulous on google video torrents or slsk

[1338 h4x0r]

oh hey bada bing

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3791007322683758535&ei=THGASpnwEYbrlQfg3OGZBQ&q=religulous

[DBoons Ghost]

idk he's pretty cool most of the time except for the homeopathy and PETA

I agree with him on the homeopathy though, but PETA can all die.

It's a personal choice though and one I never preach to anyone about. I just prefer more natural rememdies to cure my ailments.

I love when he rants about America being on drugs. They got most of you by the balls for sure.

[1338 h4x0r]

homeopathy is just water

I mean idk it's in your hands but think about other people's insurance premia and stuff

[DBoons Ghost]

If I was honestly ill I would see a doctor. I wouldn't rely on some holistic nutjob, like the broads who came around and told my wife if she didn't breastfeed my daughter would die.

I go to the doctor every 2 years. However, for common colds and simple ailments I take no medications. I don't take advil when I feel a little pain coming on or drop some anti-depressants when I feel blue.

[1338 h4x0r]

I go to the doctor every 2 years. However, for common colds and simple ailments I take no medications. I don't take advil when I feel a little pain coming on or drop some anti-depressants when I feel blue.

me too

but toughing things out isn't the same thing as alternative medicine

I tough out every sickness that befalls me

lol

[DBoons Ghost]

I agree. I do plenty in the area of homepathy that is preventative. Eating grapes, drinking Tahitian Noni juice and stuff like that.

I also rely heavily on honey and natural teas. I don't get sick that often as a result and I have more energy. Multivitamins after breakfast. Simple crap. I'm not psycho about it but there are certain things that I have seen value in.

Like drinking enough water daily, something a lot of folks don't do.

[Wickerton]

breastfeeding isnt an alternative medicine babies need that stuff for their immune system

[DBoons Ghost]

breastfeeding isnt an alternative medicine babies need that stuff for their immune system

Right.

When the hippies gave her a list of things to eat that would help the baby through the breast milk, some of the things on the list were laughable but all maintained a very holistic approach, which I understand is a little off from what homeopathy is but they share similar concepts.

I believe there is a difference.

[1338 h4x0r]

I agree. I do plenty in the area of homepathy that is preventative. Eating grapes, drinking Tahitian Noni juice and stuff like that.

I also rely heavily on honey and natural teas. I don't get sick that often as a result and I have more energy. Multivitamins after breakfast. Simple crap. I'm not psycho about it but there are certain things that I have seen value in.


That's not alternative medicine per se

The benefits of, e.g., antioxidants are widely recognized

[DBoons Ghost]

Yes they are widely recognized yet supermarkets still have shelves full of competing products all priced to sell ready to semi-heal your ailments at least temporarily for only 9.95!

I guess I might be calling things homeopathy when they are simple home rememdies long forgotten.

But when he goes on about antibiotics and how they are abused I still agree with him.

I am dead against what the FDA is allowing Merck and Pfizer to do to the American population with prescription drugs. Maybe I'll just say that.

[Wickerton]

what does the fda have to do with it

[DBoons Ghost]

So I make a statment you pick something out of the hat to argue.

You do this all the time.

If a drug is approved for general consumption among the citizens of the USA, who does that?

[1338 h4x0r]

Yes they are widely recognized yet supermarkets still have shelves full of competing products all priced to sell ready to semi-heal your ailments at least temporarily for only 9.95!

I guess I might be calling things homeopathy when they are simple home rememdies long forgotten

http://www.skepdic.com/homeo.html

I am dead against what the FDA is allowing Merck and Pfizer to do to the American population with prescription drugs. Maybe I'll just say that.

You can be opposed to both

[Wickerton]

So I make a statment you pick something out of the hat to argue.

You do this all the time.
no i pick the statements that i think are the most incorrect

If a drug is approved for general consumption among the citizens of the USA, who does that?
so you think the government should nanny people

if a person buys a drug and takes it, who does that?

[DBoons Ghost]

I see where this is going. I suppose you're right in some regards.

I don't want to be nannied by anyone, but as a result of the vicious cycle created by the drug companies, we have big problems in this country.

[Wickerton]

well i dont know if theres a big problem but i'd say its more the doctors fault for doling out pills for everything, since they are an a position of trust when it comes to their patients

[DBoons Ghost]

They get kickbacks for doing that. So of course they will dole out pills.

I guess it surprises me most they have money enough to research and provide pills for something like restless leg syndrome but cancer still baffles them.

[Aaron]

Related back to the anti/pro academia arguement, my main issue with the tertiary academic system is how little they're actually in class. Two thirteen week semesters of 18-hours a week is apparently full-time. Even if they spend the same amount of time in study, it's still only 936 hours a year of engagement, the equivalent of 23.4 working-weeks.

[CJS]

Bill Maher is a perfect example of real life trolling.

[maxwell_1888]

Holy ****!

Bill Maher believes in homeopathy? You've got to be kidding me.

[1338 h4x0r]

I think so

:(

[beso negro]

Holy ****!

Bill Maher believes in homeopathy? You've got to be kidding me.

ya he's not all that bad

[maxwell_1888]

I think so

:(

I watch every episode of his show Real Time and man... it just makes me laugh thinking about the amount of time he spends talking about rationalism and reality-based thinking. He's one of the speakers at the upcoming Atheist Alliance International convention where's he's receiving the 'Richard Dawkins Award'. I was already a bit surprised to see him involved with PETA but this just takes the biscuit. :lol:

It makes me laugh my head off considering RD had a two-part series called the Enemies of Reason, which included a comprehensive criticism of Homeopathy.