The Energy NON CRISIS

[Castillo]

In all honesty, I really wouldn't be surprised if this were true.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147&ei=HxN2SuXTFo-2rQLj9JnSDw&q=the+energy+non+crisis&hl=en

What are your thoughts?

[beso negro]

I've been saying this for years

[Mr. Ron]

the US was once called "the middle east of the western hemisphere" at one point you know


until we ran out of oil

[Mute Requiem]

i was under the impression it was much tougher to get oil out of the earth in the other parts of the globe compared to the Middle East, thus making it very cost ineffective.

I could be wrong though so bitch at me if I am

[Mr. Ron]

Is there any scholarly material available on just how much oil is in that slope?

[Kickflip_Burrito]

I think the US (and the rest of the world) are using up the oil in the Middle East and then USA will be an energy superpower when the rest of the world turns to them for oil.


i was under the impression it was much tougher to get oil out of the earth in the other parts of the globe compared to the Middle East, thus making it very cost ineffective.

I could be wrong though so bitch at me if I am


I think Canada has a lot of fuel reserves but getting it out requires a lot of special machinery so you're right there.

[Mr. Ron]

What we need to invest in is more nuclear energy.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

There's still tons of oil, but it's getting harder and harder to exploit. It's unlikely we'll run out of oil so much as it will become prohibitively expensive.


People who insist there's enough oil for the rest of human civilization are dumb. People who think we're going to run out in 5 years are dumb too. The truth is somewhere in between.

[Haliburton]

There's still tons of oil, but it's getting harder and harder to exploit. It's unlikely we'll run out of oil so much as it will become prohibitively expensive.


People who insist there's enough oil for the rest of human civilization are dumb. People who think we're going to run out in 5 years are dumb too. The truth is somewhere in between.

There doesn't need to be enough for until the end of humans there only needs to be enough for until we work out how to harness fusion power or something.

[Mr. Ron]

There doesn't need to be enough for until the end of humans there only needs to be enough for until we work out how to harness fusion power or something.
True, however we just don't use oil for powering things. A lot of the stuff we manufacture for consumer goods needs oil to be made. Like toothbrushes and shi.

[jaredong]

i'd like to point out that the point isnt necessarily "energy" per say that is the problem but the other uses of oil that is tricky to overcome. We could build all the renewable energy we want, however, we havent figured out how to replicate oil as a input of production (for example, plastics)

Though, honestly, I am not too worried about the crisis in general.

[Haliburton]

like 85% of oil is used for energy you fags

if we cut down by that much we'll have a long time to figure out how to replace plastics

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

There doesn't need to be enough for until the end of humans there only needs to be enough for until we work out how to harness fusion power or something.

No, there needs to be enough affordable oil until we figure the rest out.


You can have a bajillion barrels of oil left, if it costs 100 dollars per liter to get it here it's useless. That's the real problem with the oil that's buried so deep underground or in hard-to-exploit conditions; sure it's there, but it can't be exploited at a cost that's acceptable to consumers. If the price of oil climbs enough to strangle the world it doesn't really matter how much there is left.

like 85% of oil is used for energy you fags

if we cut down by that much we'll have a long time to figure out how to replace plastics

We know how. The problem is that nobody wants to spend on renewable technologies until we're already screwed, and by then it'll be too late.

[Haliburton]

if its more expensive its not a replacement is it

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

if its more expensive its not a replacement is it

You're not really addressing any of my points but hey ok.


Investment in renewable energies is needed NOW because it will take years until renewable energy infrastructure is capable of replacing most or all of the energy needs we currently fill with oil. If we wait, by the time we're feeling the price of oil enough, it will be too late to set up renewable energy without affecting our quality of life in the mean time.


Put it this way - getting a cavity drilled usually hurts more than the cavity itself, but if you wait until the cavity hurts more than a dentist's drill, it's likely you'll lose the whole tooth and part of your jaw to infection. You're better off going to the dentist as soon as there's a sign of a problem.

[siva_chair]

We know how. The problem is that nobody wants to spend on renewable technologies until we're already screwed, and by then it'll be too late.

Renewable technologies are usually very inefficient and not at all cost effective that is why.

Nuke power ftw.

[Mr. Ron]

I like the fact that we can agree on guns and Nuclear power. :]


I don't see why we don't use nuclear power more. Of course there are risks, however with new laws and ways of handling the waste and such it shouldn't be a problem.

[siva_chair]

I like the fact that we can agree on guns and Nuclear power. :]


I don't see why we don't use nuclear power more. Of course there are risks, however with new laws and ways of handling the waste and such it shouldn't be a problem.

The risks have been greatly exaggerated. Not only that, we have the realistic capabilities to develop very clean and very safe nuke energy that doesn't create weapons grade plutonium.

[rasputin]

people who think nuclear is too risky are idiots

edit: what siva said

[Angmar]

Yeah I think the US could handle it better than the Ukraine.

[Mr. Ron]

in ukraine we hunt bear with nuclear bomb

[gregulus]

The events leading up to the Chernobyl disaster were mind-blowingly stupid.

[Against Miik!]

Not saying hes wrong, but Lindsey Williams is kinda nuts

[siva_chair]

The events leading up to the Chernobyl disaster were mind-blowingly stupid.

Yeah you couldn't run a toaster in that thing safely.

[gregulus]

The key safety feature wasn't installed prior to start-up because they wanted to save face and start the plant on time. In fact, that safety feature was what was being tested when the meltdown occurred (if I recall correctly).

[Mr. Ron]

Russian technician 1: "How dark do you want toast to be comrade?"

Russian technician 2: "I have no time. Nuke it in microwave."


*Chernobyl disaster*



Russian technician 2: "Not that toasty!"


Russian technician 1 & 2: "LOLoOOLOL!!!1!"

[siva_chair]

Personally, I like my toast to give me superpowers.

[Pop music sucks]

Well people are still retarded over Three Mile Island.

[rasputin]

in ukraine we hunt bear with nuclear bomb
hahaha

[TerranYouApart]

yeah let's burn every last drop of oil so our atmosphere is like it was in the cretaceous. 125 degrees with 100% humidity, everywhere. don't worry, we can all eat mangoes.

[spitfirejunky]

Russian technician 1: "How dark do you want toast to be comrade?"

Russian technician 2: "I have no time. Nuke it in microwave."


*Chernobyl disaster*



Russian technician 2: "Not that toasty!"


Russian technician 1 & 2: "LOLoOOLOL!!!1!"

:lol:

[1338 h4x0r]

yeah let's burn every last drop of oil so our atmosphere is like it was in the cretaceous. 125 degrees with 100% humidity, everywhere. don't worry, we can all eat mangoes.

Global average surface temperature in the Cretaceous was about 20 degrees Centigrade

[Haliburton]

we need to warm up the planet to counter global cooling anyway

so yeah pretty good idea man

[1338 h4x0r]

huh

[Haliburton]

you heard

[1338 h4x0r]

are you spouting the "global cooling was mainstream science in the 70's" myth

please god help me

[Haliburton]

no im saying we're currently in an interglacial period and that at some point the world is going to cool quite a lot and its going to suck for humans

actually our whole existence is on a knife-edge and we know so little about the planet that its pretty pointless to whine about climate change

[1338 h4x0r]

ok are you aware that processes currently set in motion by industry could eventually exacerbate cooling

[Haliburton]

yeah but we dont know either way

so why bother caring

[Angmar]

Cleanliness is overrated.

If industry was free from environmental regulation we could all be as clean as China!

[Haliburton]

you're pretty stupid bro not gonna lie

[1338 h4x0r]

yeah but we dont know either way

so why bother caring

we only get to make this decision once

so it's important to try to reckon subjective probabilities for the outcomes of our actions

I mean geez it's not like every decision is made under certainty

[Haliburton]

well you only ever get to make any decision once subsequent decisions are different decisions

and we know so little about how the climate system works its retarded to conjecture about what we should be doing to aid the 'problems' in it

[Angmar]

you're pretty stupid bro not gonna lie

No bro seriously even if by some chance global warming is fake what is wrong with keeping things clean for the better of humanity?

I know it doesn't coincide with the libertarian utopia but still.

[Haliburton]

still stupid

i wonder who you were before that i upset and made you such a tryhard

hmm

[Angmar]

It is clear I have won this argument.

[Haliburton]

i never argued with you so th@s cool bro

[Angmar]

It is clear I have won this minor exchange of opposing opinions.

[Haliburton]

i never stated an opposing opinion so th@s cool bro

[Angmar]

"still stupid" qualifies

I mean it is clear that you didn't have an opposing argument so it's probably best you handed me the victory in such a timely fashion.

[Haliburton]

i was calling you stupid in a general sense so th@s cool bro

[Angmar]

Chad do you want me to cuddle you? :)

[Haliburton]

no, you're a greasy fat metalhead

[TerranYouApart]

i met a guy on halo 3 once who reminded me of chad

[Haliburton]

you dont know me bro

[TerranYouApart]

you might be surprised,

[1338 h4x0r]

well you only ever get to make any decision once subsequent decisions are different decisions

and we know so little about how the climate system works its retarded to conjecture about what we should be doing to aid the 'problems' in it

economics, biology, climatology, logic

is there anything chad isn't an expert on?

[Haliburton]

robots

[TerranYouApart]

robots taking lsd

[1338 h4x0r]

robots

no you're an expert on them too, don't be so modest

robots taking lsd

entirely possible if they have a serotonergic system like ours

as we already discussed

dumb slacker robots thinking they're enlightened because they take LSD, what horrors the future holds

[Haliburton]

no you're an expert on them too, don't be so modest
i cant help it, as a talented individual i continually underestimate myself

[1338 h4x0r]

you are the card chad

THE card

[Haliburton]

okay

[1338 h4x0r]

no really I cannot understate your awesomeness

[Angmar]

no, you're a greasy fat metalhead

Hey I'm not fat!

[1338 h4x0r]

get on AIM you greasy Greek bastard

[guitarded_chuck]

It's hard to estimate exactly how much oil reserve there is because OPEC and others make numbers up as to how much oil is left so they can regulate the price.

There is oil in other areas than the Middle East, but it's the main exporter. Canada is actually has the 2nd largest reserve of oil per country, but extracting it is a much more difficult and costly process in Alberta than the many other areas.