D-lysergic acid diethylamide

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

I actually find this to be an interesting and enlightening chemical. I feel like I have learned a lot about myself and the world from it. However, I do not know if I think it should be legalized. I think it has been a good experience for me, but I worry about what it might do to some other people's brains. What do you think should LSD be legal or illegal? Me, I can't decide, I see convincing points for both sides. It is an interesting issue, yes?

[Iskandar]

LSD isn't even addictive so I don't see why not.

It's the same argument people make for any drug being legalized.

[TerranYouApart]

i think it should be a rite of passage at age 17.

[1338 h4x0r]

Decriminalized, not legalized

Makes people do some dumb ****

[TerranYouApart]

one time i was introduced to a female on lsd and i was like "hey like the beatles?" and i put on revolution #9 cause I always figured that would be neat to listen to while tripping and she got really freaked out. yeah... you had to be there. it was so funny though good times good times.

[1338 h4x0r]

A lot of people end up in the ER because LSD made them do something dumb

[TerranYouApart]

oh yeah????????? like who.

"that one guy, in the, sixties, you know, who looked at the sun and, like, made himself blind.. you know? and.. like that, one guy, who like thought, like he could fly you know??"

1338 you would seriously seriously benefit from a few doses of lsd. (smart people can handle the drug, dum dums can't) it's not something you do to "get fuked up man WOOOOO!" it's a very spiritual thing

[1338 h4x0r]

oh yeah????????? like who.

"that one guy, in the, sixties, you know, who looked at the sun and, like, made himself blind.. you know? and.. like that, one guy, who like thought, like he could fly you know??"

lol

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=LSD+%22emergency+room%22

I'm not saying there should be anything more than a fine for its use btw

1338 you would seriously seriously benefit from a few doses of lsd. (smart people can handle the drug, dum dums can't) it's not something you do to "get fuked up man WOOOOO!" it's a very spiritual thing

No. A lot of druggies on MX seem to think I'm like, totally, like straitjacketed and square in my thinking, maaaan. But the truth is that cops stop me and ask for my ID just for being myself. I don't need LSD. I'm an out-of-the-box person as it is.

And yeah a lot of people I've known who were into psychedelics took them "to get ****ed up man WOOOOO!"

[TerranYouApart]

you're pretty douchey i think a realization or two wouldn't be bad for your social life.

[Jude]

A lot of people who are retarded and do those drugs with no experience and no babysitter are gonna end up doing stupid things, yeah

oh wait i guess I did shrooms with no babysitter except my also tripping friend

but yeah that could have turned out real bad

[TerranYouApart]

i always do better by myself. i just think it's more enjoyable alone cause you can let your mind go with literally zero inhibitions. i solved the meaning of life once, but it was so complex that there was no way i could put it in words, but i remember solving it. :p

[1338 h4x0r]

you're pretty douchey i think a realization or two wouldn't be bad for your social life.

You're pretty douchey too

I mean I'll admit to being kind of douchey but I definitely have a good reason most of the time

i always do better by myself. i just think it's more enjoyable alone cause you can let your mind go with literally zero inhibitions. i solved the meaning of life once, but it was so complex that there was no way i could put it in words, but i remember solving it. :p

Oh wow maaaan do tell

Also way to dodge all that medical documentation of LSD landing people in the emergency room

[GorgeousGabe]

I am a huge advocate of LSD. LSD has allowed me to think about the world in many different lights. It's like re-focusing the lens of your brain; where normally you view the world with a set of preconceptions that attempt to define and make sense of the things around you, on LSD, you get to kind of ssllliiddde those pre-conceptions back a little bit and start to re-examine things that your mind may normally have rejected as mundane or boring. . . and you start to really see that things, in general, are FAR from mundane or boring.

Reflections, vibrations, sounds, the bending of light against objects, patterns, fractals within patterns, all of these things can be found in your home (or wherever) and they just come alive on LSD

There's an account on Erowid of DOM that's really good, but it looks like it's been taken down, or else I had read it somewhere else and cannot find it anymore. . . I'm gonna try to find it

[GorgeousGabe]

DOB I mean- no wonder I couldn't find it.

Here we go:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=3259

[1338 h4x0r]

where normally you view the world with a set of preconceptions that attempt to define and make sense of the things around you, on LSD, you get to kind of ssllliiddde those pre-conceptions back a little bit and start to re-examine things that your mind may normally have rejected as mundane or boring. . . and you start to really see that things, in general, are FAR from mundane or boring.

Why do you need LSD to realize that

[Light Flantastic]

A lot of people end up in the ER because LSD made them do something dumb

so? why do you want to protect people from themselves

if one isnt free to make dumb or wrong choices one isnt free at all

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Makes people do some dumb ****
It doesn't make anyone do anything, people do that themselves. I have never done anything really dangerous on LSD because I took the time to read about it for about a year and knew what I was getting myself into.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Why do you need LSD to realize that

It helps a lot. You wouldn't really understand if you haven't experienced it.

[1338 h4x0r]

so? why do you want to protect people from themselves

Psychosis can endanger other people too

Are you against DUI laws too?

Derp

It doesn't make anyone do anything, people do that themselves.

Here comes "does free will exist?" again.

It helps a lot. You wouldn't really understand if you haven't experienced it.

I haven't met many current or former LSD users with mind-blowingly original viewpoints, and quite a few with irritatingly conventional ones.

Until LSD helps someone earn a Nobel prize or a Fields medal or something like that, you guys should retire the "if you don't use LSD, you're doomed to be a white bread square straight outta 1953 maaaaaaan" tack

(and btw no I don't count The Beatles' crappy music or anything like that)

[Light Flantastic]

Psychosis can endanger other people too

Are you against DUI laws too?

well thats kind of a stupid comparison

maybe if you were only for a ban of being intoxicated in public places you could use that

but why extend that to just owning drugs and/or using them on your own property

besides, you know i think private road owners can put any conditions they like on road use

[Meatplow]

After reading through these websites it would seem a lot of enthusiasts who use these drugs treat them with respect and use a bedsitter to watch over them during their trip, at the very least. I agree with luke in this sense that if people are educated and know what they are getting into it should be fine for them to experiment safely.

A bunch of kids using out on the street is a different story though, a lot of people simply don't have the fortitude to not be a stupid cunt and a danger to themselves on drugs of this nature.

I haven't met many current or former LSD users with mind-blowingly original viewpoints, and quite a few with irritatingly conventional ones.

This really is the truth of the matter to me.

It would appear to make the obvious apparent in its after effects, and whilst i'm sure it would be both an exhilirating and terrifying perspective to shake up the very foundations of your subjective conciousness at least once idk if I really want to do that even if I could do it safely.

I can't speak for every person on the planet and I know that a lot of people report positive experiences with the drug but i'm pretty sure the generation that benefited the most from it's "mind expanding qualities" has long past.

Until LSD helps someone earn a Nobel prize or a Fields medal or something like that, you guys should retire the "if you don't use LSD, you're doomed to be a white bread square straight outta 1953 maaaaaaan" tack

(and btw no I don't count The Beatles' crappy music or anything like that)

I have to say that i'm pretty sure that there was at least *one* groundbreaking mathematician who came up with some fundamental concept in the field taken for granted today through the power of LSD.

Unfortunately, this is one of those moments where "I read it somewhere before", long lost in memory I cannot find a link.

[DBoons Ghost]

I have taken a lot of LSD.

It doesn't do anything for you aside from provide you with some amplified clarity for the 12 hours you enjoy it.

When I was young and stupid I would have agreed that everyone should take it. Since then I have changed that. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

When I attended the Woodstock concert in 94 it was catastrophic. There were 3 huge medical tents that were constantly inundated with kids who lost their cookies. Some of them had to be restrained by police while IVs filled with Vitamin B was forced through their bodies.

LSD is not for everyone. It's not going to provide you with any insight. It makes stuff seem more awesome while you're on it, but it's an illusion that is part of the effects the drug provides.

Although, there was that guy who pitched a no hitter. He thought it was his day off, and dropped some acid. He pitched a no hitter. He wasn't a great pitcher by any means. Though, he died at 63.

[TerranYouApart]

when i take lsd i feel like i'm ****ing king of the world. i love that drug, but i've only done it maybe 6-7 times.

1338 people putting themselves in the ER has nothing to do with the drug itself, you don't lose control of anything. you can't explain what the drug does. and i agree it isn't for everyone, but it's been absolutely great the times i've done it. (daft punk at red rocks colorado trippin' during a lunar eclipse best night of my life =D)

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Until LSD helps someone earn a Nobel prize or a Fields medal or something like that, you guys should retire the "if you don't use LSD, you're doomed to be a white bread square straight outta 1953 maaaaaaan" tack

(and btw no I don't count The Beatles' crappy music or anything like that)

Um LSD strongly influenced a whole lot of great music and literature. Ken Kesey the writer of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest wrote some of it while on peyote and LSD, this book and film also won awards I believe. Jimi Hendrix, Grateful Dead, The Doors all LSD users who thought it was beneficial.

[TerranYouApart]

Albert hoffman, inventor of lsd and avid user lived to age 102.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Also one of the guys that discovered the composition of DNA was on LSD.

[1338 h4x0r]

I have to say that i'm pretty sure that there was at least *one* groundbreaking mathematician who came up with some fundamental concept in the field taken for granted today through the power of LSD.

Unfortunately, this is one of those moments where "I read it somewhere before", long lost in memory I cannot find a link.

Well I did some Googling and found this

http://www.psychedelic-library.org/staf3.htm

There's some vague anecdotal accounts of things like people being able to "grok" multidimensional space after taking LSD (although linear algebra and some aspects of graph theory did it for me), doesn't give names, doesn't cite sources

But the lulziest part was this:

Herbert Read, speaking of artists in the large sense, has said that all children are artists, as are some adults. As people grow older, they are thought to lose their creative ability, and such loss is widely accepted with unquestioning resignation. The readiness with which we accept this deprivation is puzzling, but the apathy, inhibitions, diminished faith and hope, weariness, and a "lack of time" that disfigure life—all these are certainly prominent culprits.

Hey I've got a solution:


Don't be a sellout
Don't yield to peer pressure
Don't have kids

[Light Flantastic]

i dont need to get high on drugs i can get high on life and maths

[TerranYouApart]

i agree with that.. it reminds me of the quote "common sense is merely the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18".

the older you get the more set in your ways you get and the harder it is to be creative.

[1338 h4x0r]

Um LSD strongly influenced a whole lot of great music and literature. Ken Kesey the writer of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest wrote some of it while on peyote and LSD, this book and film also won awards I believe. Jimi Hendrix, Grateful Dead, The Doors all LSD users who thought it was beneficial.

Never read One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

I don't like those musicians; I really only listen to electronic music these days

Also one of the guys that discovered the composition of DNA was on LSD.

Who

Also you guys are being duplicitous

Whenever someone lands himself in the hospital because of LSD, it's his fault, but if an LSD user does something awesome, the substance he's using gets all the credit

i agree with that.. it reminds me of the quote "common sense is merely the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18".

the older you get the more set in your ways you get and the harder it is to be creative.

There are some neurological processes that come with age which tend to make you more narrow-minded, but I don't think it's just that: substantial blame rests on people for choosing to be sellouts

[TerranYouApart]

"if we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it?"

why are you so hellbent on stereotyping people who have experimented with drugs?

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Francis Crick, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced the double-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago. The substance doesn't get all the credit, but it does help.

[Light Flantastic]

are you mad because people who take drugs are popular or something

thats what it feels like, christopher

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

A lot of people who make electronic music take LSD and ecstasy. I know it is much more fun on LSD. I used to go to dance parties and dance to electronic music on acid, it was fun.

[DBoons Ghost]

when i take lsd i feel like i'm ****ing king of the world. i love that drug, but i've only done it maybe 6-7 times.

1338 people putting themselves in the ER has nothing to do with the drug itself, you don't lose control of anything. you can't explain what the drug does. and i agree it isn't for everyone, but it's been absolutely great the times i've done it. (daft punk at red rocks colorado trippin' during a lunar eclipse best night of my life =D)

You're wrong.

Granted, all affects are temporary but some of the potential mind ****s can seem permanent or have very lasting effects.

I can explain what the drug does. It creates a temporary amplifier for your senses. It will enhance and sometimes center on a paticular emotion, and create a heightend sense of awareness and clarity for all things you interact with. If you take LSD feeling meloncholy, it will permeate that emotion for the extent of the trip, which can lead to potentially harmful effects for the person on it. It can lead to complete loss of physical and emotional control. Certain body parts seem to have a mind of their own, certain emotions take control regardless of any attempts to quell such things.

I'm really not bragging when I say I've tripped hundreds of times. I used to throw raves and I've attended some of the most awesome raves ever.

LSD is NOT for everyone. It's not for people with weak minds, and certainly not for anyone with predetermined emotional problems or mental problems. If you have an undiagnosed mental problem, enough thinking or over thinking on LSD can be deadly.

[TerranYouApart]

what exactly am i wrong about? i agree with everything you said, but i think everyone's experience with it is a little different.

for instance i remember listening to a lynyrd skynyrd song and i had the taste of peanut butter in my mouth and it went from a verse to a chorus or something and the taste literally CHANGED tastes to something else in line with the music. that was just.... far out man. lol

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

You're wrong.

Granted, all affects are temporary but some of the potential mind ****s can seem permanent or have very lasting effects.

I can explain what the drug does. It creates a temporary amplifier for your senses. It will enhance and sometimes center on a paticular emotion, and create a heightend sense of awareness and clarity for all things you interact with. If you take LSD feeling meloncholy, it will permeate that emotion for the extent of the trip, which can lead to potentially harmful effects for the person on it. It can lead to complete loss of physical and emotional control. Certain body parts seem to have a mind of their own, certain emotions take control regardless of any attempts to quell such things.

I'm really not bragging when I say I've tripped hundreds of times. I used to throw raves and I've attended some of the most awesome raves ever.

LSD is NOT for everyone. It's not for people with weak minds, and certainly not for anyone with predetermined emotional problems or mental problems. If you have an undiagnosed mental problem, enough thinking or over thinking on LSD can be deadly.

So you're saying that the bad effects are permanent but none of the good effects are?

[DBoons Ghost]

You said people putting themselves into the ER has nothing to do with the drug itself.

But... if they hadn't taken LSD they wouldn't be in the ER?

Music around a bonfire with a black sky full of stars and good awesome company is what it was always about for me. We had some deep conversations, but those conversations still would have led to the same conclusions with or without LSD.

The taste buds and enhanced reactions to psychadelic music is an example of the clarity of the senses molding and created awesomeness. It's only an illusion though.

[1338 h4x0r]

Francis Crick, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced the double-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago. The substance doesn't get all the credit, but it does help.

If so, he didn't admit to it

Also when you can produce some hard neuroscientific research, rather than a handful of anecdotes, I'll take your claims about LSD more seriously

[DBoons Ghost]

So you're saying that the bad effects are permanent but none of the good effects are?

That's a fair point.

I can't say I have any long standing permanent effects from taking LSD. I have incredible memories and experiences. BUt I never felt that it made me something else.

However, when people end up in the hospital for two weeks and their mind is mush for the rest of their lives, I would say that's significantly more permanent.

Seriously man, all I have are memories of good times. Give yourself some distance from the last time you tripped until present day and I assure you that you will find the same conclusion.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

You said people putting themselves into the ER has nothing to do with the drug itself.

But... if they hadn't taken LSD they wouldn't be in the ER?

Music around a bonfire with a black sky full of stars and good awesome company is what it was always about for me. We had some deep conversations, but those conversations still would have led to the same conclusions with or without LSD.

The taste buds and enhanced reactions to psychadelic music is an example of the clarity of the senses molding and created awesomeness. It's only an illusion though.

What makes it less real than straight reality?

[DBoons Ghost]

What makes it less real than straight reality?

In what manner do you mean?

If you found something permanent out of it it proves that no two experiences are alike.

Though I admit I don't understand what you mean. Straight reality? I'm straight now and I haven't taken LSD in 10 years or more. I cannot close my eyes and flash back to a specific instance and how I felt at that time when I was tripping.. I used to be able to. I used to be able to re-enact in my mind, certain elements of emotion at certain points of my journey while tripping. Triggers exist. Certain songs bring them back. "Flashbacks" as they call them. However, of late that has dissipated.

[1338 h4x0r]

A lot of people who make electronic music take LSD and ecstasy. I know it is much more fun on LSD. I used to go to dance parties and dance to electronic music on acid, it was fun.

I'm not talking about dance music though

[Meatplow]

Well I did some Googling and found this

http://www.psychedelic-library.org/staf3.htm

There's some vague anecdotal accounts of things like people being able to "grok" multidimensional space after taking LSD (although linear algebra and some aspects of graph theory did it for me), doesn't give names, doesn't cite sources

But the lulziest part was this:

Herbert Read, speaking of artists in the large sense, has said that all children are artists, as are some adults. As people grow older, they are thought to lose their creative ability, and such loss is widely accepted with unquestioning resignation. The readiness with which we accept this deprivation is puzzling, but the apathy, inhibitions, diminished faith and hope, weariness, and a "lack of time" that disfigure life—all these are certainly prominent culprits.

Hey I've got a solution:


Don't be a sellout
Don't yield to peer pressure
Don't have kids


haha

I actually think I may have been referring to the DNA guy luke brought up, come to think of it. I have heard math related LSD babble before however.

LSD is NOT for everyone. It's not for people with weak minds, and certainly not for anyone with predetermined emotional problems or mental problems. If you have an undiagnosed mental problem, enough thinking or over thinking on LSD can be deadly.

I've found this true with marijuana, despite having some of the most beautiful times of my life smoking it and its classification as a soft drug as a sufferer of depression i've felt the more nightmarish side of emotions being amplified as well during times of great stress and merely thinking about it makes me unsettled. I could not imagine what paths a drug like LSD could take somebody down who already has an unstable mind already, I have almost no doubt that you are correct in your statement here due to what has been described to me as a typical experience.

I feel clearly uncomfortable with the "gamble" with hard drugs, whether it is me or other people I care about taking it. I once knew a girl I was quite fond of who had a history as a lifelong junkie and user of LSD, and I just can't tell how indescribably sad it must have felt for her during her worst periods as an 11 year old tripping balls because her mother fed her pills and stuck needles in her arm. She continues to do LSD and **** guys she doesn't know all the time, and is facing increasingly strong mental and depression issues. It's not a glamorous thing at all.

I don't know how anybody could make a lifestyle out of hard drug use, or insist that everybody should get into stuff like LSD. Different strokes for different folks, no doubt but I would rather steer clear of it.

[DBoons Ghost]

That's a solid post dude. Honestly my approach has always been one of fun and recreation. I've never taken a drug to avoid reality or to find an out or seeking some deeper meaning than simply "it's fun to laugh and I like how it makes me feel when I listen to Floyd and stare into a fire". For me once we got the basics down of how it made you feel we would find anything to enhance the experience. Like.. deep in the woods blasting Pink Floyd's Animals, with a lot of water (since alcohol quells the intense trip) with some colorful fireworks, and a cooler full of shiskabobs made with citrus fruits to make your taste buds go insane.

Anyone using LSD to gain something or escape something or find some deeper meaning, should avoid it.

Life is better straight, and using drugs as an escape mechanism can only lead to a terrible outcome. I am old and wise and of course, to each his own, but there is nothing you learn from LSD that you cannot do without.

[TerranYouApart]

animals is the best cd ever written. i will forever be plagued by what the robot says in the breakdown of "Sheep". something about we shall not move

the album is undoubtedly enhanced by the drug.

[DBoons Ghost]

Yeah many albums/songs are enhanced by LSD. I used to love how Zeppelin's No Quarter always made me think of melting and I would always check my face to make sure it wasn't melting, and then laugh at myself for thinking my face was melting.

Ween was awesome too for creating bizarre hysterics, as was Butthole Surfers, and Dead Milkmen's Spit Sink oddly enough. That one was an accident and everyone was all "dude leave it.. it's amazing". THe mood created by music on LSD never ceased to amaze me.

I can talk about LSD music for hours. Nothing made the trip better, aside from thrill rides at an amusement park. There's nothing quite like riding Freefall at the peak of the trip.

Though, I would avoid things like Renaissance Fairs when tripping. Believe me.

[TerranYouApart]

i really only trip at music shows. daft punk. sigur ros. les claypool. none would have been the same without acid.

[RNR]

Well obviously, nothing is the same on acid. The only concert I ever did acid at was Iron Maiden. It started to sink in during that trippy middle part in Rime Of The Ancient Mariner.

Anyway I agree that it's a wonder drug. The heightened emotional state it allows has been great for introspection and soul-searching and the distorted sensory experience has allowed me to look at the world from different angles. Of course all of these things could be accomplished without it, it's a tool like any other. Of course it should be legal, just like all substances should be. Legal, regulated and sold at the store down the street.

Oh and of course hallucinating is AWESOME :D

[DBoons Ghost]

I don't think LSD should be legal and sold over the counter. Unless by regulated you mean "locked away someplace until the trip is over.."

Last thing we need is some noob behind the wheel of a car tripping balls.

[beso negro]

of course lsd should be legal

but anyone who takes it is an idiot

[TerranYouApart]

dude i would never drive a car on acid. it's just not even an attractive prospect. i'd much rather grab a sword and a cape and go on a quest in the forest.

[GorgeousGabe]

Why do you need LSD to realize that

You cannot 'will' your mind into acting like it does on LSD. . . you can realize very deep and profound things on LSD or off of it, but you think about things VERY differently on LSD and these visuals can lead to thoughts that you wouldn't otherwise have

I haven't met many current or former LSD users with mind-blowingly original viewpoints, and quite a few with irritatingly conventional ones.

Sure, but when examining people who have used LSD, you are examining a subset of people in general, and people in general have very conventional ideas.

Until LSD helps someone earn a Nobel prize or a Fields medal or something like that, you guys should retire the "if you don't use LSD, you're doomed to be a white bread square straight outta 1953 maaaaaaan" tack

(and btw no I don't count The Beatles' crappy music or anything like that)

Not gonna argue about the Beatles

And I never said that if you never use LSD that you can't have creative ideas. If you believe that this is how LSD users look at you then this could greatly bias your opinion. . .

Furthermore, I think Steve Jobs was a big advocate of LSD. I don't know what that changes in your eyes, you should look it up

[RNR]

I don't think LSD should be legal and sold over the counter. Unless by regulated you mean "locked away someplace until the trip is over.."

Last thing we need is some noob behind the wheel of a car tripping balls.

I've done LSD about 10 times and not once did I drive a car while tripping.

[1338 h4x0r]

You cannot 'will' your mind into acting like it does on LSD. . . you can realize very deep and profound things on LSD or off of it, but you think about things VERY differently on LSD and these visuals can lead to thoughts that you wouldn't otherwise have

I think pretty differently as it is

Sure, but when examining people who have used LSD, you are examining a subset of people in general, and people in general have very conventional ideas.

That's my point

And I never said that if you never use LSD that you can't have creative ideas. If you believe that this is how LSD users look at you then this could greatly bias your opinion. . .

No not exactly but I don't think LSD opens the floodgates to godlike creativity either

Furthermore, I think Steve Jobs was a big advocate of LSD. I don't know what that changes in your eyes, you should look it up

Macs are kind of overrated

[Nadinus]

I don't think it should be legal.

I do think everyone would benefit from taking it though.

Also, if you've got a good grip on reality you're not going to do dumb ****. I've never a) hallucinated on it; b) believed something to be true which isn't because of it. I've been confused as to whether it is or it isn't, but usually I am right.

I just don't trust myself when I'm on acid because I think my sober self wouldn't trust my acid self. Which is actually an unreasonable distrust.

[Light Flantastic]

i dont think it should be legal because i personally dont want to do it so nobody else should be allowed to do it either

[Nadinus]

Shut up Light Flantastic this isn't a 'are you a libertarian' thread. We all know your views perfectly well there's no need to remind us of this fact.

[GorgeousGabe]

Um LSD strongly influenced a whole lot of great music and literature. Ken Kesey the writer of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest wrote some of it while on peyote and LSD, this book and film also won awards I believe. Jimi Hendrix, Grateful Dead, The Doors all LSD users who thought it was beneficial.

Dude Ken Kesey wrote that book in like 3 days, and he wrote the majority of it on psychedelic drugs.

Lots of great writers and artists are inspired by LSD and other psychedelics.

Lots and lots and lots and lots.

Never read One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

I don't like those musicians; I really only listen to electronic music these days

...anddd you think that these guys are not using psychedelics? Infected Mushroom, Hallucinagen, Shpongle, Boards of Canada...? I dunno I don't listen to a ton of electronica but **** from what I understand, a lot of them are pretty big on psychedelics. Their DJs surely are, too

Also you guys are being duplicitous

Whenever someone lands himself in the hospital because of LSD, it's his fault, but if an LSD user does something awesome, the substance he's using gets all the credit

Am I the first one to agree with you that LSD is dangerous?

Of course it's dangerous! You know what puts more people in the emergency room, and in the morgue. . . cars. alcohol. fast food. electrical outlets. the ocean.

Lots of things are dangerous, but can still be enjoyed safely if you approach them properly. The problem with LSD is the same as the problem with alcohol- lots of dumbasses like to get ****ed up

I can explain what the drug does. It creates a temporary amplifier for your senses. It will enhance and sometimes center on a paticular emotion, and create a heightend sense of awareness and clarity for all things you interact with.

I wouldn't say that 'amplification' is the right term. More like zooming in than amplifying

I'm really not bragging when I say I've tripped hundreds of times. I used to throw raves and I've attended some of the most awesome raves ever.

LSD is NOT for everyone. It's not for people with weak minds, and certainly not for anyone with predetermined emotional problems or mental problems. If you have an undiagnosed mental problem, enough thinking or over thinking on LSD can be deadly.

Agreed. I've tripped like 8-10 times, I am wise enough to know that I literally would not be able to handle hundreds.

One hit of liquid LSD had me a different person for nearly a month

[Light Flantastic]

Shut up Light Flantastic this isn't a 'are you a libertarian' thread. We all know your views perfectly well there's no need to remind us of this fact.

i dont think you know what libertarian means nadinus a liberal drug policy isnt unique to libertarianism

it is unique to being logical and reasonable though

[GorgeousGabe]

My favorite psychonaut:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Morrison

I am actually writing a comic. Having read the first two books of the Invisibles but no more, I have read MANY things that I have seen while tripping on mushrooms or LSD before having even heard of the series. When I started writing the story for my comic, I had to stop reading the Invisibles.

My at the time girlfriend told me that the series progresses to a point that starts to resemble more and more and more my own thoughts on life and the universe, and the direction I want to take my own story in.

So I had to stop reading them, for fear that I would start inadvertently copying his work

[Nadinus]

i dont think you know what libertarian means nadinus

a liberal drug policy isnt unique to libertarianism

I don't see how the second statement relates to the first.

I didn't say it was. Point?

[Light Flantastic]

i never brought up libertarianism

i brought up liberal drug policy

you implied that i was bringing up libertarianism by bringing up liberal drug policy

so you implied that a liberal drug policy was unique to libertarianism

[1338 h4x0r]

...anddd you think that these guys are not using psychedelics? Infected Mushroom, Hallucinagen, Shpongle, Boards of Canada...?

Never heard of any of them

I actually don't know about the drug habits of a lot of my favorites but Vangelis is prominently clean


Am I the first one to agree with you that LSD is dangerous?

Of course it's dangerous! You know what puts more people in the emergency room, and in the morgue. . . cars. alcohol. fast food. electrical outlets. the ocean.


Those are different

[GorgeousGabe]

I think pretty differently as it is

That's my point

No not exactly but I don't think LSD opens the floodgates to godlike creativity either

Macs are kind of overrated

OK maaann, hahaha, I think pretty differently as it is as well. This will not make LSD 'do less' for you. Your trip won't be trivialized by the fact that you think about crazy **** all the time anyway. Believe me. The only thing that will trivialize your trip is you, if you think that LSD is trivial or pointless.

Approach something with negative energy and you will get negativity out of it.

As for macs being overrated. . . say what you will about Steve Jobs but he is an innovator.

What I have heard is that Albert Hoffman wrote Steve Jobs a letter talking about his own ideas for computers, which he had conceptualized on LSD, and soon after, apple started going down the touch screen road, with innovations like the multi-point touch pad, scrolling / enlarging with your touch pad, etc etc etc.

I don't know the story behind it but like I said, feel free to look it up

[Nadinus]

i never brought up libertarianism

i brought up liberal drug policy

you implied that i was bringing up libertarianism by bringing up liberal drug policy

so you implied that a liberal drug policy was unique to libertarianism

But we already know that you are a libertarian. So you don't need to state your views. I didn't imply it was unique to libertarianism, it just so happens that that's what you are and so inevitably will have that view, hence it being relevant.

[Light Flantastic]

why are you having an inane conversation about chris' arbitrary positions on what makes greatness

[Light Flantastic]

But we already know that you are a libertarian. So you don't need to state your views. I didn't imply it was unique to libertarianism, it just so happens that that's what you are and so inevitably will have that view, hence it being relevant.

no not inevitably since libertarian is a wide ranging term for a number of viewpoints

but even if it was implicit this is not the state your viewpoint forum its the make arguments based on your viewpoint forum

[GorgeousGabe]

Never heard of any of them

I actually don't know about the drug habits of a lot of my favorites but Vangelis is prominently clean



Those are different

I was only trying to explain that very much music in the genre that you appreciate is influenced by drugs. Even if the people who you specifically listen to are not users, the people who THEY listen to probably are.

And that is very relevant.

And yes, all those things are different : / everything is different. I'm just saying that LSD being dangerous is not a good enough reason to condemn it. You are afraid of dangerous things? Then don't drive.

Or you could be sensible, and approach them with an open mind and with caution.

Or not at all. It's not 'your loss' or anything, but you might really change your mind

Regardless of your reasons, don't be afraid to change your mind. Don't let that be the reason you don't take psychedelics

[Nadinus]

no not inevitably since libertarian is a wide ranging term for a number of viewpoints

but even if it was implicit this is not the state your viewpoint forum its the make arguments based on your viewpoint forum

Okay but I think it's really lame that you're still posting in and directly after any thread I go in to. It was mildly funny to start with, now it's just dumb.

[Light Flantastic]

did i follow you into this thread by posting in it before you did

titter

[Nadinus]

You did? I assumed you had followed me here since you do that in every other thread, my bad.

[Light Flantastic]

pretty sure i posted in most of them first nadinus, you've becoming paranoid

and you're diverting topics, spamming

[RNR]

It's reasonable to believe that LSD offers us things that aren't attainable without it, I'm just not entirely sure what those things are. One of the main things that LSD changed in me was it made me more aware of my subconscious motives for doing things. I would do something and repress the true reason for doing it, as many of us do, and LSD made me aware of this. However I'm confident that a psychoanalysis would uncover the same things. Regardless of what can and can't be done without it, it's a unique experience and changes a person's perceptions and can be a powerful forc in one's intellectual and spiritual development, a tool for prying into the depths of the subconscious, and some of the most fun I've ever had.

And it should be legal. If it shouldn't be legal then there are a couple of thousand things that also shouldn't be. Because they're dangerous in the wrong hands and could possibly be a detriment to society as a whole. Or some abstract, intangible bs like that.

[The_Mop]

I've never particularly understood LSD as inspiration and all this hype about how it expands your mind and the like, isn't it more like an illusion that it's doing these things because it's messing your **** up?

[GorgeousGabe]

Often, yes.

[Nadinus]

I've never particularly understood LSD as inspiration and all this hype about how it expands your mind and the like, isn't it more like an illusion that it's doing these things because it's messing your **** up?

No. It takes you to a more fundamental state of mind in which it isn't clouded by trivial things. You can still think pretty logically.

[RNR]

Your brain is working differently. Slower thought processes and less access to your memory, which provide you with a unique perspective for creating art and ideas. And at the same time your emotions are heightened, things that make you feel happy are amplified, as well as things that make you feel bad or scare you, And of course you're hallucinating like mad, which will obviously influence visual artists. There's probably more I'm missing. It's been many months.

Altered state of consciousness. You think and create in the same way every day and then suddenly you have a completely different outlook to go to town with.

[GorgeousGabe]

But many people don't 'go to town'

It's important to note that many people just vegetate in front of a screen in the same way that they do without LSD

But it does most certainly enable you to come up with utterly new and creative ideas

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

I think pretty differently as it is

Yeah, but you don't know what taking LSD is like or how much more differently it makes you perceive things. Just because you 'think differently' already doesn't mean LSD is not a worthwhile adventure.

I watched Obama get elected on ten hits of acid, that **** was crazy.

[1338 h4x0r]

Again, when I have hard neuroscientific research that shows that LSD enhances creativity, I'll reconsider

I was only trying to explain that very much music in the genre that you appreciate is influenced by drugs. Even if the people who you specifically listen to are not users, the people who THEY listen to probably are.

Entire communities of electronic musicians could be pretty much entirely isolated from each other in terms of influence

[Iskandar]

Some musicians used LSD. Most did not.

[1338 h4x0r]

I think most famous LSD using musicians sucked, personally

That's one reason we can't really do any major scientific studies on this stuff as of yet

[die of starvation]

so? why do you want to protect people from themselves
protecting people is more efficient than not protecting them regardless of who you're protecting them from

[Light Flantastic]

how is it more efficient

unless you're paying for their healthcare too

but thats another problem

[die of starvation]

if they die at say 20 years old
instead of 70
then ~40 years of labor we would've gotten out of them are gone and the cost to society of raising them to the age of 20 is a near total loss

[Light Flantastic]

most of society is compensated for raising them

them existing has already provided employment for other people

[die of starvation]

they've been a net consumer for 20 years they're about to become a net producer
society isn't compensated for raising kids, just certain individuals are
society has expended resources on an investment that will never provide returns once he dies

drugs should only be legal for old people

[Light Flantastic]

yeah there will be less of a net gain if they die at 20 but that doesnt mean their first 20 years were an actual loss. consumption creates employment.

and drugs arent inherently deadly either

[die of starvation]

consumption consumes resources which would've been better spent on somebody who wasn't going to die of lsd induced retardation

idk what you mean by inherently deadly but i wouldn't claim that regardless
they are potentially deadly however and we should protect people from potentially deadly stuff as much as we can

recreational drugs are completely unnecessary so it's possible to protect people from them entirely

[Light Flantastic]

fatty food and extreme sports are completely unnecessary too

are you going to regulate them

[RNR]

LSD isn't dangerous. I've done it 10 times and I'm still here and in good shape, producing and consuming like a good little citizen.

[die of starvation]

fatty food and extreme sports are completely unnecessary too

are you going to regulate them
yes

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

I've done it about 40 times and I am not dead.

[RNR]

Whoa. In what span of time?

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

From senior year to end of freshman year of college. I would say 1 1/2-2 years. And yes I actually counted how many times I did it, I'm not just guessing.

[Iskandar]

LSD itself is relatively harmless. It's being on LSD without a sitter in a safe environment that is.

[Against Miik!]

I can't think of one reason it should be legalized. Its not like its hard to get and if you are wanna do it you are going to do it. It's not like its illegal status is stopping anyone from doing it. But if you do something dumb while tripping you should be prosecuted all the same.

[GorgeousGabe]

consumption consumes resources which would've been better spent on somebody who wasn't going to die of lsd induced retardation

idk what you mean by inherently deadly but i wouldn't claim that regardless
they are potentially deadly however and we should protect people from potentially deadly stuff as much as we can

recreational drugs are completely unnecessary so it's possible to protect people from them entirely

You're talking like a fascist. Things that aren't completely necessary to progress for society shouldn't be banned. Yes, let's burn the art while we're at it.

If the art is important, the drugs are important. MANY artists are drug users

And I've tripped without a sitter plenty of times. Until you're comfortable on it, yes. Have a sitter. But at a certain point you can regulate yourself

[GorgeousGabe]

Entire communities of electronic musicians could be pretty much entirely isolated from each other in terms of influence

it's true. I won't deny it. But you've probably listened to music put out by people who AT LEAST smoke pot regularly. I mean. . . I imagine it'd be pretty hard to be a fan of music and to not listen to and enjoy something that was drug inspired

[kitsch]

oh yeah????????? like who.

"that one guy, in the, sixties, you know, who looked at the sun and, like, made himself blind.. you know? and.. like that, one guy, who like thought, like he could fly you know??"

1338 you would seriously seriously benefit from a few doses of lsd. (smart people can handle the drug, dum dums can't) it's not something you do to "get fuked up man WOOOOO!" it's a very spiritual thing

i think just the opposite

its far more likely that someone with an overactive imagination or an overly analytical person (leads to paranoia on drugz) would be much more likely to have a bad trip, freak out, and do something retarded. the stupid people i know who take acid are just like "whoa cool the walls are breathing" or somesuch.

[1338 h4x0r]

i think just the opposite

its far more likely that someone with an overactive imagination or an overly analytical person...

...and I could pass as both

What I'm getting in this thread is a confused smattering of contradictory anecdotes

Using LSD seems like a pretty dumb idea

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

...and I could pass as both

What I'm getting in this thread is a confused smattering of contradictory anecdotes

Using LSD seems like a pretty dumb idea

straight-edge christcore!!!!!!!!

[1338 h4x0r]

I don't think wanting actual evidence rather than a bunch of anecdotes that don't even agree with each other makes me a Jesus freak who listens to terrible straightedge bands

In fact I'm agnostic, and pretty much all I listen to is electronic music

But, hey, if you can't attack the argument, attack the person

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Well you didn't really give a single good reason that acid is stupid. It's not deadly, it isn't addictive, it isn't dangerous if you educate yourself, it is probably better for you than alcohol.

[1338 h4x0r]

Well yeah alcohol depletes glial deposits, essentially stripping away the insulation of the brain

LSD is basically Russian roulette; its users can't even give a consistent image of its effects and it does send people to the emergency room (albeit indirectly)

Hey you know what's a better idea than not using alcohol or LSD?

Not using either

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Well yeah alcohol depletes glial deposits, essentially stripping away the insulation of the brain

LSD is basically Russian roulette; its users can't even give a consistent image of its effects and it does send people to the emergency room (albeit indirectly)

Hey you know what's a better idea than not using alcohol or LSD?

Not using either

That's also a less fun and more gay idea. LSD is not Russian roulette, you have never even done it. It is fairly easy to tell who will react badly to it: uptight, nervous people.

[kitsch]

dude if you start having a bad trip on lsd just take some opiates. thats basically what they do for you when people go to the ER cause their freaked out.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

dude if you start having a bad trip on lsd just take some opiates. thats basically what they do for you when people go to the ER cause their freaked out.

I refuse to do stuff like that to calm down on LSD, I always just man it out and see what happens. I actually actively put myself in situations where I might freak out. For example, one time I was on LSD and I decided it would be fun to ride in the trunk of my friend's car. It actually turned out to be really fun, I felt like I was in an alien space pod and I was like a fetus or something.

[kitsch]

lol yea bad trips can be really enlightening sometimes.

but sometimes they just suck.

i remember one time me and my friends did some acid and i thought that it was bunk because it wasnt kicking in too hard. and it had been hours. i just felt really high. i started drinking and felt sick so i just went home. but in the car ride i really started tripping balls and when i got home i just had to lie in the dark in my room and i started thinking about some stuff that was stressing me out. i just got into a loop and couldnt think of anything else. i wanted to rip my hair out. i just felt extremely anxious the whole time and no other "spiritual" experience or greater meaning in life occured to me. i just stayed up all night wanting to die.

[GorgeousGabe]

What do you exactly want research to show?

That LSD will do what it does?

You can take A LOT of people's words for it. Including Dr. Albert Hoffman. . . a doctor

[1338 h4x0r]

That's also a less fun and more gay idea.

You were talking about health

LSD is not Russian roulette, you have never even done it.

I've never played Russian roulette either

Doesn't mean I can't say "man that looks like a dumb idea" about it

Same goes for acid

btw, we are getting dangerously close to "takes one to know one" territory

It is fairly easy to tell who will react badly to it: uptight, nervous people.

I wouldn't say I'm uptight but I definitely like to be in control

Psychedelics and indeed most drugs kind of pull a rug out from under your feet

What do you exactly want research to show?

That LSD will do what it does?

You can take A LOT of people's words for it. Including Dr. Albert Hoffman. . . a doctor

Albert Hoffman is one guy, his stuff about the magical wonderful effects of acid isn't peer-reviewed, and as far as I know he is (or ... was) a chemist, not a neuroscientist

What I want are neuroscientific studies that support the "LSD is worth the substantial risk because it gives you godlike creative powers" tack you are on

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

lol yea bad trips can be really enlightening sometimes.

but sometimes they just suck.

i remember one time me and my friends did some acid and i thought that it was bunk because it wasnt kicking in too hard. and it had been hours. i just felt really high. i started drinking and felt sick so i just went home. but in the car ride i really started tripping balls and when i got home i just had to lie in the dark in my room and i started thinking about some stuff that was stressing me out. i just got into a loop and couldnt think of anything else. i wanted to rip my hair out. i just felt extremely anxious the whole time and no other "spiritual" experience or greater meaning in life occured to me. i just stayed up all night wanting to die.

It wasn't acid if it didn't kick in for hours. I took this **** one time that was sold as acid but it didn't kick in for hours and when it did it was very different.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

What I want are neuroscientific studies that support the "LSD is worth the substantial risk because it gives you godlike creative powers" tack you are on

No one said that or even thinks it.

[GorgeousGabe]

Taking LSD is NOT russian roulette. There is no inherent percentage chance that you'll die. There is a chance that you'll fall out of control, but that rests on you. An out of control person on LSD will likely fall out of control. An in control person on LSD will probably not fall out of control on LSD

A person who creates an ILLUSION of control through uptight insecurities... may very well break apart on a drug like LSD. But somebody who has their **** together mentally (not speaking about intelligence, just your happiness and your will power) will probably be OK

People talking about a musician will give you different accounts. People talking about art will give you different accounts.

LSD treats different people differently. It ends up at basically the same place from person to person, but even that's not necessarily so. One thing can pretty much be agreed on, which is that it makes you see things differently.

Some people treat it more casually and just for fun. Some people treat it as a mystical journey. Some people treat it as a self awakening. Some people treat it as a device for creative exploration. Some people just like the way it feels. Some people freak out.

Of course we're not going to all give you the same account. That wouldn't be the case for any. . . basically any thing at all

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Taking LSD is NOT russian roulette. There is no inherent percentage chance that you'll die. There is a chance that you'll fall out of control, but that rests on you. An out of control person on LSD will likely fall out of control. An in control person on LSD will probably not fall out of control on LSD

A person who creates an ILLUSION of control through uptight insecurities... may very well break apart on a drug like LSD. But somebody who has their **** together mentally (not speaking about intelligence, just your happiness and your will power) will probably be OK

People talking about a musician will give you different accounts. People talking about art will give you different accounts.

LSD treats different people differently. It ends up at basically the same place from person to person, but even that's not necessarily so. One thing can pretty much be agreed on, which is that it makes you see things differently.

Some people treat it more casually and just for fun. Some people treat it as a mystical journey. Some people treat it as a self awakening. Some people treat it as a device for creative exploration. Some people just like the way it feels. Some people freak out.

Of course we're not going to all give you the same account. That wouldn't be the case for any. . . basically any thing at all

You basically pissed all over his argument. I bet he feels like one stupid jackass.

[GorgeousGabe]

And I'm high as well.

High five.

Hahaha- get it?

[1338 h4x0r]

OH NO WUTEVER WILL I DU I FEEL LIKE ONE STUPID JACK@$$ NOW

Just kidding

Anyway, can I have some stories from people who were sober the whole time, conducting controlled experiments

I don't want to read fuzzy psychoanalytical bullshit

Thanks in advance

[kitsch]

It wasn't acid if it didn't kick in for hours. I took this **** one time that was sold as acid but it didn't kick in for hours and when it did it was very different.

yea it wasnt at all like my other acid experiences.

wonder what it was

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

And I'm high as well.

High five.

Hahaha- get it?

I'm about to get high. I will still high five you. It would be better if I was high.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

yea it wasnt at all like my other acid experiences.

wonder what it was

Probably a DOx chemical such as DOB, DOM etc. This is rare, usually happens when you buy acid that is on candy or something. I have had the paper tabs, marshmallows and sweet tarts.

[kitsch]

one time i bought this ghetto xanax pill that was supposed to be equivalent to like 4 blues or something that looked exactly like a sweet tart. it ****ed me up royally.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

one time i bought this ghetto xanax pill that was supposed to be equivalent to like 4 blues or something that looked exactly like a sweet tart. it ****ed me up royally.

I have gotten those 4mg xanax in capsules, they had green powder in them, we called them pickles.

[GorgeousGabe]

OH NO WUTEVER WILL I DU I FEEL LIKE ONE STUPID JACK@$$ NOW

Just kidding

Anyway, can I have some stories from people who were sober the whole time, conducting controlled experiments

I don't want to read fuzzy psychoanalytical bullshit

Thanks in advance

OK.

http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html

[GorgeousGabe]

Not exactly what you asked for, but I think the work speaks for itself, and it was a real study

[1338 h4x0r]

Why did the US government stop experimenting with LSD

Probably cuz they're squares maaaaaaan

Or maybe they just realized it was useless

Patient follows quickly with another drawing.

'I'll do a drawing in one flourish... without stopping... one line, no break!'

Upon completing the drawing the patient starts laughing, then becomes startled by something on the floor.

Man, acid sounds like a blast

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

It is a blast. One time I experienced ego-death and felt like I floated out of my body into outer space and was at peace with everything.

[GorgeousGabe]

Laughing and being startled by something on the floor?

As opposed to scowling and being hostile by something on a screen?

I dunno sounds fine to me

[GorgeousGabe]

I had something close to ego death- I sat in place for three hours just breathing as slowly as possible. That really was a wild experience

[1338 h4x0r]

Why did the US government stop experimenting with LSD

Inquiring minds want to know

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Inquiring minds want to know

I actually read a book about this. The US government stopped experimenting with LSD because they wanted to use it as a mind control/interrogation device. It turned out that LSD made people just panic when they got interrogated and made people think...differently.

[kitsch]

Inquiring minds want to know

i guess they found out enough information to satisfy their inquiring minds

yea i heard a similar thing luke. they thought it might be truth serum or something

[1338 h4x0r]

I actually read a book about this. The US government stopped experimenting with LSD because they wanted to use it as a mind control/interrogation device. It turned out that LSD made people just panic when they got interrogated and made people think...differently.

They didn't find it useful for anything??

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

They didn't find it useful for anything??

Not anything the CIA was interested in.

[McP3000]

LSD has long term affects even if its not addictive

[Ando!]

so? why do you want to protect people from themselves

if one isnt free to make dumb or wrong choices one isnt free at all

i think the scary part is that it can possibly endanger others as well

but i mean alcohol is legal so whatevs i guess

[1338 h4x0r]

Not anything the CIA was interested in.

I mean the military is surprisingly open-minded in that they'll take anything that has a potential application no matter how crazy

Look at DARPA

Seriously

Look at DARPA

[McP3000]

lol b&

[GorgeousGabe]

Ouch. I don't understand what you've been banned for, but hey. Drop some acid some time. it won't kill you. Just be with someone who you trust not to put their balls on you or anything

[McP3000]

is there a story behind this gabe? sounds like youve been traumatized

[GorgeousGabe]

It's true... McP3000 put his balls on me one time when I was tripping

They don't warn ya about that one in the ad campaigns

[andyneverstoppingmachine]

Ouch. I don't understand what you've been banned for, but hey. Drop some acid some time. it won't kill you. Just be with someone who you trust not to put their balls on you or anything

gabe do you spend undue amounts of time in head shops

[GorgeousGabe]

Not at all

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

glad he got banned tbh

[TerranYouApart]

acid is the best drug ever. nothing brings out the primal urge like acid does. it just makes one so honest. i need to trip soon. it's a special occasion drug for sure.

and yeah, 1338 seems to be really grasping at straws to prove he knows more than people about something he has no experience with. just because you read about how something works doesn't mean you've actually experienced it. the effects of LSD cannot be accurately put into words and that is that.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

the effects of LSD cannot be accurately put into words and that is that.

agreed. I think that guy was like 15.

[Light Flantastic]

yes

what if productivity is tied to happiness is tied to freedom

[Pop music sucks]

Look at DARPA

Seriously

Look at DARPAThey have some of the most coolest challenges.

The Proto Arm project is awesome.

So is their telepathic challenge. They want clear and correct mental communication between soldiers on the field. It's more of a neurological study to figure out how communication is structured before it's conveyed through text or mouth.

[siva_chair]

LSD is for tossers and sheep ****ers.

DMT is where it is at imo.

[gregulus]

people like gabe



my anti-drug.

[gregulus]

lol jk

[GorgeousGabe]

lolol but not rly

[Otherside]

kid at my highschool was trippin on acid
was riding around with his friends in their car him in the backseat
he started flailing and getting extremely angry at everyone around him, they kick him out of the car and drive off because he was going to jump out at high speeds if they didnt
he proceeded to stand up and run into this lady's yard while she was gardening
he came after her and chased her into her house
she ran to her bedroom and he pinned her on her bed
she got free called the cops and the guy is getting assault and attempted rape charges


but should be legal i agree

[SugarCoatedSour]

acid,

Btw, kid at your school was an idiot. The same story everywhere, kids don't need drugs to do stupid ****.

[kitsch]

LSD is for tossers and sheep ****ers.

DMT is where it is at imo.

ive never done DMT but i know a guy who swears that the best trip ever is to smoke DMT when youre tripping on LSD.

[SugarCoatedSour]

the best trip is to do ibogaine while being continuously fed mushrooms and ayahausca brew while natives sing and dance around your belly-up carrion feed.

[GorgeousGabe]

Best trip ever would have to be the **** from Altered States

[Nosferatu]

aww, good 'ole LSD. i have a hard time finding it nowadays, at least the good stuff. all that's around now is mushrooms, it seems. they're not bad, but they don't really compare to a good hit of acid.

anyone else go to any of the music festivals like Bonnaroo, or even the smaller ones like Schwagstock? i don't really go anymore, but man, going to those festivals and camping out there for 3-4 days, just tripping pretty much the whole time lol, nothing can beat that experience.

i don't really do hallucinogens socially anymore tho. i kinda like to be by myself now, like someone else already mentioned. anyway, the only thing that is as good as LSD is some mescaline.

[gregulus]

This thread turned into a "talk about your favorite drugs, man" thread. That's cool...on opposite day.

[SugarCoatedSour]

Mine's mushrooms, how about yours?

[stevensonmat2]

This thread turned into a "talk about your favorite drugs, man" thread. That's cool...on opposite day.

Hey wow, check out the funny man. Opposite day, that is classic. Way to pwn those filthy hippies.

[gregulus]

Hey wow, check out the funny man. Opposite day, that is classic. Way to pwn those filthy hippies.

Now you're stereotyping, stevensonmat2. That's not very nice.

[stevensonmat2]

No man, screw them. I hate when people talk about drugs.

[gregulus]

Oh ok. In that case please carry on.

[SugarCoatedSour]

where is tha love?

my human brotha

[stevensonmat2]

no love for no one/ever ver

I'd like to go to bonaroo or some fest like that just to load up on various drugs, but it would suck to be around most of that music.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Mine's mushrooms, how about yours?

Acid

[kitsch]

No man, screw them. I hate when people talk about drugs.

i find it boring when people talk about most drugs, but psychedelics are okay because i find the spiritual/mind expanding part interesting.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

I hate when people talk about weed like they are cool because they smoke it or like it's a big deal.

[stevensonmat2]

i find it boring when people talk about most drugs, but psychedelics are okay because i find the spiritual/mind expanding part interesting.

I was just being sarcastic. Though I do agree that sometimes it can be annoying (ie woaaahh im half baked bro).

[SugarCoatedSour]

i need to try some mescal

[Iskandar]

I hate when people talk about weed like they are cool because they smoke it or like it's a big deal.I hate when people talk about drugs like they are cool because they use them or like it's a big deal.

[Light Flantastic]

i hate when people talk about not doing drugs like they are special and better than people who do use drugs like its a big deal because its not a big deal

[RNR]

Talking about weed is tedious as hell. It was when I smoked it and it is even more now that I don't. Talking about drinking for more than 30 seconds is too.

I find mushrooms to be the better social drug. For the most part it's a wondrous and very silly adventure to be shared with friends. Acid is more the lock myself in my room in deep meditation and introspection, throw on electronic music, and slowly go insane drug.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

i hate when people talk about not doing drugs like they are special and better than people who do use drugs like its a big deal because its not a big deal

agreed cough*Iskander*cough

[TerranYouApart]

anyone else go to any of the music festivals like Bonnaroo, or even the smaller ones like Schwagstock? i don't really go anymore, but man, going to those festivals and camping out there for 3-4 days, just tripping pretty much the whole time lol, nothing can beat that experience.


the last time i tripped was at bonnoroo in 2008. i tripped 3 days in a row. it was..... bliss. the feeling of being around so many people but no problems possibly arising was great. and the music. duh. it wore me out though.

saw metallica, umphrey's mcgee, sigur ros, m.i.a., dj tiesto for 6 hours (until the sun rose WOW.), phil esh and friends, my morning jacket, les claypool, mstrkrft and some salsa band and a ton more it was great! oh yeah mastadon. wanted to see kanye west, but he didnt come on until 4:30 am by which point i had left cause my trip was wearing off and i was tired.

[GorgeousGabe]

That sounds great- best experience I had on LSD was going to COSM tripping- I saw some great bands, most notably Club D'Elf, a kind of. . . trip hop world jazz ambient outfit, I guess?? They are a sick band anyway

They were playing in one room, while a DJ spun goa/trance in the next room, while down the hall there was music being played by a sitar player using loopers and reverb and other effects. Shortly after, he was replaced by a woman playing violin solo, and then they did a duet together.

The whole place is an art gallery, featuring the work of Alex Grey, who does the artwork for Tool. The rest of the gallery is filled by a rotation of really great artists, some of whom create their art live at the venue as you watch- and the art & music is accompanied by live body painting, visuals, and plenty of other crazy ****.

Just looking at the art alone is enough. Seeing the art high on LSD is an experience. Seeing the art high on LSD while listening to a violin dance melodies around droning sitar lines? Whoaaahhhh

This goes on til about 5 in the morning, and then I go to a diner, go home and have sex with my girlfriend, and that is the best trip I've ever had

[Odin88]

TBH i can understand the whole "you think more clearly bit" but to me i find this sad that we as humans cant do this on our own. As for legality i don't really believe in the "powers that be" and their determination to control our minds, if anything decriminalize it,, there are far worse drugs our there like heroine and cocaine which do nothing even slightly beneficial for you at all, whereas with acid at least I've heard some "fun" stories from close friends. I dont think someone who trys acid should share a cell with someone who killed a person or molested a child, but i dont think its a drug for anyone either cuz for as many fun, good experiences ive heard ive heard just as many horror stories, some people cant handle it.

Though i really do get annoyed by all those people out their who believe they have somehow transcended everyone else and seem to look down on non-users with this air of "better than thou" arrogance. Also i dont think if someone cant handle the drug it makes them "weak minded" or "dumb". I have never personally taken acid but i dont think i need to in order to "squeegee my third eye", i can figure this stuff out for myself. The whole music, thing i find these albums to be just as good whether im high or sober, the art is still the same, it all depends on your own ability to analyze it.

someone correct me if im wrong but isnt it possible to reach similar states of mind without the drug being introduced to your body?


tl;dr - should be decriminalized, but not promoted. Just cause you've done it doesn't make you better than those who haven't.

[Moon Flavor]

TBH i can understand the whole "you think more clearly bit" but to me i find this sad that we as humans cant do this on our own. As for legality i don't really believe in the "powers that be" and their determination to control our minds, if anything decriminalize it,, there are far worse drugs our there like heroine and cocaine which do nothing even slightly beneficial for you at all, whereas with acid at least I've heard some "fun" stories from close friends. I dont think someone who trys acid should share a cell with someone who killed a person or molested a child, but i dont think its a drug for anyone either cuz for as many fun, good experiences ive heard ive heard just as many horror stories, some people cant handle it.

Though i really do get annoyed by all those people out their who believe they have somehow transcended everyone else and seem to look down on non-users with this air of "better than thou" arrogance. Also i dont think if someone cant handle the drug it makes them "weak minded" or "dumb". I have never personally taken acid but i dont think i need to in order to "squeegee my third eye", i can figure this stuff out for myself. The whole music, thing i find these albums to be just as good whether im high or sober, the art is still the same, it all depends on your own ability to analyze it.

someone correct me if im wrong but isnt it possible to reach similar states of mind without the drug being introduced to your body?


tl;dr - should be decriminalized, but not promoted. Just cause you've done it doesn't make you better than those who haven't.

No, it really isn't. But that doesn't mean it's a necessity it just means people who haven't tried it have missed out on a very unique experience.

[RNR]

Right, the experience (hallucinating, body high and chemical euphoria, distorted perceptions and senses, etc) cannot be replicated without it, however anything one learns while on it can be. It's just a fantastic intellectual and spiritual tool for those who can utilize it.

[Iskandar]

agreed cough*Iskander*coughI'll tell this Iskander fellow if I see him, but I wasn't aware he did this.

[McP3000]

iskandEERRRRR

[TerranYouApart]

someone correct me if im wrong but isnt it possible to reach similar states of mind without the drug being introduced to your body?



absolutely not. taking lsd is a serious eye opener. i saw the circle of life in a vision. dude, it was just out of this world nuts. i cannot possibly imagine being like that not on some sort of high.

[Jaymz Hetfield]

I like beer. Good beer.

Never done any illegal drugs. I must suck. If I were going to try any, i'd do something crazy like heroine or lsd.....go all out if you're gonna do it I say. But it isn't happening so who cares.

[Odin88]

Right, the experience (hallucinating, body high and chemical euphoria, distorted perceptions and senses, etc) cannot be replicated without it, however anything one learns while on it can be. It's just a fantastic intellectual and spiritual tool for those who can utilize it.

You know what else is a fantastic intellectual and spiritual tool for those who can utilize it, their brain :thumb:

absolutely not. taking lsd is a serious eye opener. i saw the circle of life in a vision. dude, it was just out of this world nuts. i cannot possibly imagine being like that not on some sort of high.

i still stand by my stance that one doesn't need LSD to have their eye opened.

I like beer. Good beer.

Never done any illegal drugs. I must suck. If I were going to try any, i'd do something crazy like heroine or lsd.....go all out if you're gonna do it I say. But it isn't happening so who cares.

ewwwwwww, heroine. At least i can see the (slight) relevance or benefit from lsd, at least for the sake of fun and recreation, but heroine thats just dirty junkie stuff.

[Jaymz Hetfield]

ewwwwwww, heroine. At least i can see the (slight) relevance or benefit from lsd, at least for the sake of fun and recreation, but heroine thats just dirty junkie stuff.

They're in the same league to me. Maybe i'm just misinformed or something.

[Iskandar]

No, LSD isn't addictive whereas heroin is extremely addictive and physically harmful.

[Odin88]

They're in the same league to me. Maybe i'm just misinformed or something.

LSD = no needle, no addiction.
Heroine = needle, grossness, addiction, suck the soul out of you, destroys your mind and body......i could go on, but i think that's sufficient

[Smokey D]

You know what else is a fantastic intellectual and spiritual tool for those who can utilize it, their brain

The one does not exclude the other.

[die of starvation]

You're talking like a fascist. Things that aren't completely necessary to progress for society shouldn't be banned. Yes, let's burn the art while we're at it.

If the art is important, the drugs are important. MANY artists are drug users

And I've tripped without a sitter plenty of times. Until you're comfortable on it, yes. Have a sitter. But at a certain point you can regulate yourself

art that causes people to die or be maimed or whathaveyou should be banned
most art is harmless at worst and actually useful at best

drugs are harmful

[TerranYouApart]

i still stand by my stance that one doesn't need LSD to have their eye opened.


i'd be happy if you conceded with, "I don't actually know what taking lsd is like, but i don't think i need it to see my life in the clearest sense"

i didn't say you need lsd to have your eye opened. i said it's ****in crazy the things you think of while you're tripping. it isn't like everyday thinking, there's a reason people call it mind expanding after they take it.

[Iskandar]

People who take LSD in the first place probably think lots of things are mind-expanding, ranging from tarot readings to herbal tea.

[DBoons Ghost]

People who take LSD in the first place probably think lots of things are mind-expanding, ranging from tarot readings to herbal tea.

:thumb:

I'm not going to sit here and say it cannot have temporary positive effects on the mind, but those same realizations can be enjoyed without the LSD.

Nothing miraculous or life changing really ever happened to me, but I loved how it made me feel and the hysterics which always ensued as a result of the euphoria.

My biggest problem was it gets harder and harder to top the last journey, so you take bigger doses in order to find that place you landed at the last time. Eventually all the special parts of the trip become commonplace and you have to take too much to achieve the desired effect.

My desired effect was always the awesome visual trails and the hysterics, and playing self inflicted tricks on my emotions to amplify oddities. Like tripping in a museum late at night and walking around in the dark to freak yourself out. Or chilling at an indoor olympic size swimming pool, turning off all the lights, throwing 3 cases of waterproof glow sticks into the pool, and then using the high dive board to jump in. All the while Floyd blasting over the speakers.

I never took it for something spiritual.

[Odin88]

The one does not exclude the other.

i know i was just being a smart ***.

i'd be happy if you conceded with, "I don't actually know what taking lsd is like, but i don't think i need it to see my life in the clearest sense"

i didn't say you need lsd to have your eye opened. i said it's ****in crazy the things you think of while you're tripping. it isn't like everyday thinking, there's a reason people call it mind expanding after they take it.

i think its potentially just as mind clouding as it can be expanding, people can get get lost in the illusion of LSD use.

[stevensonmat2]

People who take LSD in the first place probably think lots of things are mind-expanding, ranging from tarot readings to herbal tea.

Broad assumptions are cool.

[RNR]

People who take LSD in the first place probably think lots of things are mind-expanding, ranging from tarot readings to herbal tea.

Many, yes.

:lol:

[Jude]

People who take LSD in the first place probably think lots of things are mind-expanding, ranging from tarot readings to herbal tea.

That's a hugely incorrect generalization I know plenty of people who are grounded and sensible and still take acid for its mind-expanding qualities

[DBoons Ghost]

I believe I've stated LSD presents no mind expanding qualities that cannot be achieved while straight.

I am seriously saying it's a bunch of crap to think otherwise. If anyone can prove it expands the mind's eye, I would call BS. This is not something we need scientific data on. If you think it expanded your mind when you took it, what did it expand your mind too? I bet most answers would be absurd.

[RNR]

And I agree completely. It's merely a tool, a very effective one, but one that isn't needed to achieve anything intellectual or spiritual.

Worth doing for the fun of it if you're the slightly twisted druggie nutcase type though.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

someone correct me if im wrong but isnt it possible to reach similar states of mind without the drug being introduced to your body?

Corrected, you are most definitely wrong.

[stevensonmat2]

I love how its cool for native americans to have "vision quests" with peyote but if your average white guy wants to experience something out of the ordinary he is ridiculed and made a criminal.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

People who take LSD in the first place probably think lots of things are mind-expanding, ranging from tarot readings to herbal tea.

That's a great stereotype. I don't think tarot readings or herbal tea are anything but stupid but I like LSD.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

They're in the same league to me. Maybe i'm just misinformed or something.

You are definitely misinformed and sound like a complete and total idiot. www.erowid.com

[Odin88]

Corrected, you are most definitely wrong.

yeah ive already been corrected, thanks bud.
read the posts.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

yeah ive already been corrected, thanks bud.
read the posts.

Just thought I'd correct it again because of how stupid of a post it was.

[RNR]

That's a great stereotype. I don't think tarot readings or herbal tea are anything but stupid but I like LSD.

What do you have against herbal tea? How's it stupid?! :angry:

[Odin88]

Just thought I'd correct it again because of how stupid of a post it was.

or becasue you like the false sense of power you get by telling someone they are wrong even if other people have already explained my question to me with lot more class.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

What do you have against herbal tea? How's it stupid?! :angry:

I just dislike tea in general.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

or becasue you like the false sense of power you get by telling someone they are wrong even if other people have already explained my question to me with lot more class.

um yeah i feel really powerful you got me

[RNR]

Calling things that you don't like stupid, that's really mature meng.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Calling things that you don't like stupid, that's really mature meng.

Okay it isn't stupid I just dislike it. I do however think tarot is stupid.

[RNR]

Yeah tarot is pretty stupid. I fancy myself as somewhat of a neo-hippy and thus, know a lot of people with unfounded, irrational beliefs in the supernatural. I'm sure they're enjoying being blissfully ignorant, but I can't can't take any of that junk seriously and it's annoying.

[wartomods]

What do you have against herbal tea? How's it stupid?! :angry:

he certainly never drank poppy tea, ahaha

[Nadinus]

I believe I've stated LSD presents no mind expanding qualities that cannot be achieved while straight.

I am seriously saying it's a bunch of crap to think otherwise. If anyone can prove it expands the mind's eye, I would call BS. This is not something we need scientific data on. If you think it expanded your mind when you took it, what did it expand your mind too? I bet most answers would be absurd.

I kind of agree with you on that.

I don't think LSD has made me any more broad-thinking than I was before, it seems that if you think in ~that~ kind of way anyway it just makes things easier and highlights certain things, whereas if you don't then you just enjoy the trip for the visuals etc.

Most of the stuff I think about when I'm on it I can just as easily think about when I'm not, but I would say having had that experience is just as important in thinking -like that- as is having (currently) that experience.

[Iskandar]

That's a great stereotype. I don't think tarot readings or herbal tea are anything but stupid but I like LSD.It's humour.

[Light Flantastic]

well its not very funny alexander

[DBoons Ghost]

And I agree completely. It's merely a tool, a very effective one, but one that isn't needed to achieve anything intellectual or spiritual.

Worth doing for the fun of it if you're the slightly twisted druggie nutcase type though.

:thumb:

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

I agree, LSD is a tool and one that must be treated with respect but it is also very fun! Not for everyone though most definitely. I sure love it though!

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

he certainly never drank poppy tea, ahaha

I would drink it. Can you shoot it?

[Nosferatu]

I believe I've stated LSD presents no mind expanding qualities that cannot be achieved while straight.

I am seriously saying it's a bunch of crap to think otherwise. If anyone can prove it expands the mind's eye, I would call BS. This is not something we need scientific data on. If you think it expanded your mind when you took it, what did it expand your mind too? I bet most answers would be absurd.

i love LSD, and all hallucinogens really, and yet, i pretty much agree with you. they are absolutely not needed to "expand your mind" or anything to that effect. while on hallucinogens, i usually come across the notion at one point or another that i have realised and concluded the "secret" or "point" to life. and while i'm high, it really does seem totally true. but then when i sober up, i realise that it was only because i was high.

there really is no "mind-expanding" that happens when one takes LSD, or any hallucinogen for that matter, it's just a drug. i realise this, yet i still love it and enjoy it.

i personally think that hallucinogens are the safest drugs to experiment with. they are NOT addictive. PERIOD. seriously, i know addiction, and hallucinogens are not something you become physically addicted to or even want to do a lot. they are really the safest drugs to do, in all honesty, if you don't have a history of mental problems.

[Morbus]

Ouch. I don't understand what you've been banned for, but hey.

I was posting bare tits in R&M and apparently it made some mod cry

glad he got banned tbh

And I'm glad I'm not an animé fag

just because you read about how something works doesn't mean you've actually experienced it. the effects of LSD cannot be accurately put into words and that is that.

VITALISM maaaaaan

[Light Flantastic]

And I'm glad I'm not an animé fagarent you?

[Morbus]

No I'm indifferent towards the style itself and I think most instances of animé are pretty shitty

[GorgeousGabe]

. . .The whole music, thing i find these albums to be just as good whether im high or sober, the art is still the same, it all depends on your own ability to analyze it.

someone correct me if im wrong but isnt it possible to reach similar states of mind without the drug being introduced to your body?

1) it's a different experience- the music is just as good sober or high! but it's a different experience, and that's not invaluable

2) similar kinds of states, maybe, but definitely not anything really close to the same thing

art that causes people to die or be maimed or whathaveyou should be banned
most art is harmless at worst and actually useful at best

drugs are harmful

what the **** kind of art would that be

and if you want to keep the art, you gotta keep the drugs because they've been going hand in hand for years

not implying that one needs drugs to make art. If you're an artist, you'll make art with or without drugs.

but many many artists (of all kinds) use drugs, and many many artists incorporate the things they see on drugs into their art

People who take LSD in the first place probably think lots of things are mind-expanding, ranging from tarot readings to herbal tea.

weak.

but green tea is very very good for you

i think its potentially just as mind clouding as it can be expanding, people can get get lost in the illusion of LSD use.

same as your own mind in that sense

I believe I've stated LSD presents no mind expanding qualities that cannot be achieved while straight.

I am seriously saying it's a bunch of crap to think otherwise. If anyone can prove it expands the mind's eye, I would call BS. This is not something we need scientific data on. If you think it expanded your mind when you took it, what did it expand your mind too? I bet most answers would be absurd.

Here is what I think about LSD:

They call it a trip for a reason. In my experience, besides just the hallucinating and sense of euphoria, I really do feel like I've left my old life whenever I take acid. There's this common theme of shedding an old skin and moving to a new point in life, with new ideas, new understanding, new experiences. . .

You take LSD and really leave your old self for the next 8 - 10 hours. you enter a new state, where you're highly aware, highly curious, and highly creative. . . and when it wears off and you go to sleep, you die a little bit, knowing that the morning will be different. it's an exercise in embracing impermanence

Then again, that's not speaking for everyone. Not everyone is highly aware, curious or creative on LSD, not everyone feels so metaphorically connected to this spiritual circle of life and death. But I always, always see that on LSD.

And yes, it has expanded my mind. I learned so much about so many things on LSD

LSD helped me learn how to really breathe and appreciate each breath, which I practice every ****ing day, very much to my benefit

LSD helped me achieve very real acceptance of so many things. I've really become able to sit and ignore my distractions, and I've really become at peace with the prospect of change, or even death

LSD helps me write SOOO much. On LSD, I focus on every word and how it plays not just with the words next to it, but the whole big picture. I don't write a lot anymore, but I write at my best on LSD

Many of the themes that come up when I'm tripping, and many of the feelings I get and things I see find their way into my music and my writing.

OF COURSE all these things can be done straight. I do them all the time straight- except for the writing bit, I definitely become possessed by a different spirit when I'm writing on LSD, and I haven't learned to replicate that

All of it can be done straight, but LSD does that **** in eight ****ing hours, and that is exactly why it is such an intense and crazy drug

[DBoons Ghost]

Gabe I love your enthusiasm regarding what you think LSD taught you, but I just don't see it that way.

I also think it's irresponsible of people who have taken it, to advertise the experience in the way you do, because it's not the same for everyone. I think a lot of that reads like immature hogwash. Realizations come in many forms and if you think the acid got you there quicker, well, I guess that's a good thing. I just don't think your experience is going to be shared by many.

[GorgeousGabe]

That's right, it's not the same for everyone

And I honestly don't know what kind of person I'd be without having taken LSD- probably much the same- but I mean to say, whereas I know the ways that I have changed over the years, I don't know how I have changed differently.

As I said, I'd probably get to the same places straight. But when you trip, you get to the same places on a trip

And you see the same places differently (literally and metaphorically)

[Light Flantastic]

it seems like you've just convinced yourself these things happen

like a placebo or a ghost hunt or something

silly gabe

[GorgeousGabe]

Yes. I have convinced myself. . . I am convinced

[siva_chair]

I am convinced that the X-Files is actually a documentary.

[RNR]

It's a tool. All of these things that Gabe has achieved have been with the assistance of LSD. It wasn't the LSD that did these things, it was him with the help of LSD. While tripping, one enters a completely new state of consciousness, during which things will be learned, usually many many more things than would have otherwise. These things can be learned without the use of LSD.

LSD isn't inherently mind-expanding. But it can aide greatly in the expansion of one's mind.

[Morbus]

It's a tool. All of these things that Gabe has achieved have been with the assistance of LSD. It wasn't the LSD that did these things, it was him with the help of LSD. While tripping, one enters a completely new state of consciousness, during which things will be learned, usually many many more things than would have otherwise. These things can be learned without the use of LSD.

What have you "learned" under the influence of LSD

[GorgeousGabe]

RNR is right.

The X Files is my favorite TV show.

[Morbus]

What have any of you learned under the influence of LSD

[RNR]

-I uncovered a lot of examples of times that repressed, rationalized and used all sorts of defense mechanisms to mask selfish motives and justify cruelty. LSD helped me in questioning my actions.

-That I was projecting an inauthentic image of myself to the word, "trying to be someone who I wasn't" and that a lot of my values were taken from the expectations of others who I was supposed to envy. I have since been struggling to live as authentically as possible.

-I find that now I'm more aware of my own consciousness and (philosophical beliefs aside) I act more and react less. My tripping on LSD has also assisted me in all kinds of introspection and deliberation that I never really bothered with before.

-I learned to channel emotions into the music and lyrics that I make in a more meaningful way. I don't feel like I was getting as much out of the artistic process as I am now.

And there's probably more. All of this could have been done without LSD, but not as quickly, and possibly the learning wouldn't have stuck as much as it did and wouldn't have been as profound and life-changing.

[siva_chair]

The X Files is my favorite TV show.

Hey me too. Or at least in the top 5.

[Morbus]

And there's probably more. All of this could have been done without LSD, but not as quickly, and possibly the learning wouldn't have stuck as much as it did and wouldn't have been as profound and life-changing.

If you needed, or even strongly desired drugs to reach any those conclusions, I feel terribly sorry for you.

[RNR]

It's not like I went into it with a list of things I wanted to learn. It just sort of happened, and each time I did LSD I found myself devoting more time to self-discovery. LSD was originally about tripping balls.

I might point out that none of those things are "conclusions" with an end but lay on a continuous spectrum of understanding and application. Even if you're already introspective or question your motives, uncover your defense mechanisms and think that you're acting and not reacting, you can still do all of these things to a greater extent. I'm willing to bet that LSD will speed things up, as any tool does.

[GorgeousGabe]

Yeah, what are you talking about, man!

RNR is talking about some things he's learned on LSD- all good things- and you're discrediting it.

You are holding yourself superior because you've never done LSD. You're discrediting the things he's saying were important drug inspired discoveries basically immediately, seemingly based on nothing more than the fact that you don't trust LSD.

You could have just as well asked him 'what have you learned that's important in life?'

If his personal experiences and philosophies seem pointless to you than so be it. The most brilliant person in the world could say, "I learned on LSD to relax and not take life so seriously."

And you could easily say 'oh you don't need drugs to do that'

No
you don't need drugs to do that

you're ignoring the fact that yes, a drug can absolutely help you to see things that might teach you lessons that are valuable or important to you

What have you learned that is important in life?

[Morbus]

I'm willing to bet that LSD will speed things up, as any tool does.

Do you have any evidence besides personal anecdotes

You are holding yourself superior because you've never done LSD. You're discrediting the things he's saying were important drug inspired discoveries basically immediately, seemingly based on nothing more than the fact that you don't trust LSD.

None of his discoveries were really mind-blowingly revelatory and besides asking for evidence isn't close-minded

What have you learned that is important in life?

Nothing is particularly important, duh

[RNR]

No I don't have evidence other than personal anecdotes. If my anecdotes and the anecdotes of more than a million people aren't enough for you to try LSD, don't do it, but don't try to refute that it has been beneficial for me.

Also I'm only going to say it once again. Learning about oneself is a continous spectrum of understanding and application. It's not as if I ldiscovered introspection and then the learning ended. LSD has greatly aided my continuous self-learning and has improved my understanding and real life application of things that I already knew. It has inspired revelations, but those revelations were only the beginning. The journey is neverending and LSD has been a helpful tool.

[Benzum]

I actually find this to be an interesting and enlightening chemical. I feel like I have learned a lot about myself and the world from it. However, I do not know if I think it should be legalized. I think it has been a good experience for me, but I worry about what it might do to some other people's brains. What do you think should LSD be legal or illegal? Me, I can't decide, I see convincing points for both sides. It is an interesting issue, yes?

I don't care about how you feel.

[Morbus]

No I don't have evidence other than personal anecdotes. If my anecdotes and the anecdotes of more than a million people aren't enough for you to try LSD, don't do it, but don't try to refute that it has been beneficial for me.

http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Health_Services/Health_Education/atod/od_lsd.htm#6

hahaha, we'll see what net gain you reap from LSD

[Nosferatu]

I don't care about how you feel.

why thank you for your valuable input into this discussion.

[Benzum]

No problem man. This guy doesn't even want to know any real answers because he's high all the time. If you even gave him somewhat real answers he wouldn't give a **** because he's high all the ****ing time.

[TerranYouApart]

http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Health_Services/Health_Education/atod/od_lsd.htm#6

hahaha, we'll see what net gain you reap from LSD

oOoOoOo net gain

I agree 100% with RNR about what he's learned. introspection whilst sober is possible, but once the LSD completely inhibits your natural defense mechanisms introspection becomes a lot more useful.

[stevensonmat2]

Screw introspection, its just a fascinating experience. Fun, exciting and totally different. People need to stop being pussies and just try it. One time isn't going to hurt you at all.

[Benzum]

My buddy just text me saying his girlfriend / fiance has tried inhaling "Nitrus Oxcide" and is hooked because the high rules. Is that the same thing as what you douchebags are going on about in this thread?

[stevensonmat2]

lol, you and your friends are dumb

unless you are kidding

[Benzum]

I'm just asking you guys, who are equally dumb (more so) if you deflect my question away. My friends are intelligent persons I just thought because I'm posting that I should ask you idiots about it.

[TerranYouApart]

lol isn't that

NAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS?

/vin diesel