PRC flag to be hoisted over White House lawn

[1338 h4x0r]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-07/13/content_8422505.htm

Discuss

[Iskandar]

First America, then the world.

[1338 h4x0r]

China isn't going to become a real hegemon unless they seriously clean house

And if they do, then that might be ok

[Iskandar]

No they will either way.

[1338 h4x0r]

huh

How can they be a hegemon with the current brain drain

[Iskandar]

It's pretty much impossible for China not to be a hegemon because they're huge and have one and a half billion people and a huge army and most importantly a booming economy which we're all reliant on for international trade. Come on dude everyone's been talking about this for like the past five years or more.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah but having a zillion plastic bead factories and a sea of AK-armed soldiers alone isn't sufficient for hegemony these days

The brain drain in China is particularly problematic

[Iskandar]

Yes it is.

[1338 h4x0r]

Ya so you can't be a real hegemon in the 21st century with 2/3 of your most useful people leaving the country every year

[griftadan]

It's pretty much impossible for China not to be a hegemon because they're huge and have one and a half billion people and a huge army and most importantly a booming economy which we're all reliant on for international trade. Come on dude everyone's been talking about this for like the past five years or more.

chinas economy is just as reliant on international trade as anyone, possibly even more so

[1338 h4x0r]

Good point

[HNLzero]

why does everyone think us vs. them

[Smokey D]

Shall we take this from the top?

[1338 h4x0r]

Um why this thread is fine

[Mr. Ron]

eh, for some reason I don't like the idea of their flag being there, but I suppose we have to since we're each others financial bitches.

[TheDarkHorse]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-07/13/content_8422505.htm

Discuss

why not?

[1338 h4x0r]

It seems like a symbolic breach of sovereignty

[rasputin]

obv you can't put their flag there, you guys are white civilised people with rights and liberty and they're just a bunch of ching chongs who don't know anything OBV

[Mr. Ron]

Someone gets it

[Iskandar]

obv you can't put their flag there, you guys are white civilised people with rights and liberty and they're just a bunch of ching chongs who don't know anything OBVIt has to do with the CPC being crappy, not Chinese people being ignorant.

[rasputin]

obv the CPC is crappy because it's run by ching chong people who don't understand freedom and arent oppress their people and dont believe in democracy which is the pinnale of civilised thought

[Iskandar]

Stop being annoying.

[Mr. Ron]

I was thinking the other day....since China actually has plans drafted to go to the moon relatively soon in the future, will they take our flag down and put up theirs? Could that possibly be seen as an act of war?

[rasputin]

Stop being annoying.
stop looking at the world through the eyes of a self loving westerner

[Elitist Douche Bag]

I was thinking the other day....since China actually has plans drafted to go to the moon relatively soon in the future, will they take our flag down and put up theirs? Could that possibly be seen as an act of war?

That would be hirarious.

[1338 h4x0r]

obv you can't put their flag there, you guys are white civilised people with rights and liberty and they're just a bunch of ching chongs who don't know anything OBV

It's the same thing as flying the US flag at the National People's Congress: a symbolic violation of sovereignty

obv the CPC is crappy because it's run by ching chong people who don't understand freedom and arent oppress their people and dont believe in democracy which is the pinnale of civilised thought

They do oppress their people. Here's one recent, prominent example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_08

As a Turk and Central Asian philologist, you are most likely familiar with the recent happenings in Xinjiang, and quite possibly even sympathetic with the Uighur population (?)

Another example is a little more personal: a bunch of my tudou videos got removed or their metadata edited because of "politically sensitive" content. I put a lot of effort into putting them up :mad:

But, more seriously, I imagine that the lack of freedom is one reason why 2/3 of Chinese who go abroad for their education don't go back. Among those who leave are a lot of real intellectuals. The CPC isn't doing their country any favors.

I was thinking the other day....since China actually has plans drafted to go to the moon relatively soon in the future, will they take our flag down and put up theirs? Could that possibly be seen as an act of war?

Why would they do that? That's just gratuitous douchebaggery. Not even the CPC would orchestrate such a manuever.

oh yeah and btw

"Mysterious as the dark side ... OF THE MOOOOON!"

lol sorry couldn't help myself

[Iskandar]

stop looking at the world through the eyes of a self loving westernerYou said it, not me.
It's the same thing as flying the US flag at the National People's Congress: a symbolic violation of sovereignty.No it's not. It's in deference to the other country. It's like how we lowered our flags after 9/11.

[1338 h4x0r]

huh

This is not lowering, but raising

[Iskandar]

It's a friendly gesture, not a subservient one.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah maybe idk it's not going to go down well w/ a lot of people though

[TheDarkHorse]

It seems like a symbolic breach of sovereignty

How?
I was thinking the other day....since China actually has plans drafted to go to the moon relatively soon in the future, will they take our flag down and put up theirs? Could that possibly be seen as an act of war?
I would proceed to rofl

Reminds me when Russia planted their flag at the North Pole

[1338 h4x0r]

How?

It kind of says "We're your bitch"

[Iskandar]

obv the CPC is crappy because it's run by ching chong people who don't understand freedom and arent oppress their people and dont believe in democracy which is the pinnale of civilised thoughthttp://myiq2xu.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/strawman.jpg

I said the CPC was crappy. You suggested I think it's crappy because the Chinese are Asians, then attributed that opinion to me when I never actually stated it.
I was thinking the other day....since China actually has plans drafted to go to the moon relatively soon in the future, will they take our flag down and put up theirs? Could that possibly be seen as an act of war?Nobody would go to war over something as stupid as a flag.

It could be seen as an aggressive gesture from a diplomatic point of view though.

[1338 h4x0r]

They are chongers though js

[Iskandar]

They prefer to be called Zhonghua.

[TheDarkHorse]

It kind of says "We're your bitch"

thats a textbook, Republican overreaction turned talkingpoint.

If anything, it should look like a mutual "You are important to our stability, and we respect you by displaying your flag."

[Iskandar]

We display other countries' flags all the time, just not so prominently.

[die of starvation]

stupid political move for the dems
china couldn't possibly care about this all that much but various groups in america will care
hopefully the whole thing gets shitcanned

[1338 h4x0r]

thats a textbook, Republican overreaction turned talkingpoint.

I'm not a Repuke, I'm a Socialdemokrat

If anything, it should look like a mutual "You are important to our stability, and we respect you by displaying your flag."

Do you actually respect the CPC? You seem to have a real hard-on for any Marxist-Leninist regime

[rasputin]

I said the CPC was crappy. You suggested I think it's crappy because the Chinese are Asians, then attributed that opinion to me when I never actually stated it.
so you don't think the chinese are asians?
As a Turk and Central Asian philologist, you are most likely familiar with the recent happenings in Xinjiang, and quite possibly even sympathetic with the Uighur population (?)
i was trolling earlier. of course i know what's going on, i'm very sympathetic but i'm far from optimistic. the han are just enjoying exacting vengeance for the humility they suffered in the past.

[1338 h4x0r]

Oh yeah heil trolling

[die of starvation]

people who say "i was trolling" are all total ****

especially in pnwi but also everywhere

[TheDarkHorse]

Do you actually respect the CPC? You seem to have a real hard-on for any Marxist-Leninist regime
For the reading impaired (thats you) it was stated that the U.S. feels an obligation to respect them due to their importance in today's affairs.

[Iskandar]

so you don't think the chinese are asians?If you don't stop, I will ban you.

[gregulus]

If you don't stop, I will ban you.

Alex, really gangsta-*** [moderators] don't flex nuts, cause real gangsta-*** [moderators] know they got 'em.

[rasputin]

If you don't stop, I will ban you.
you said it not me

anyway, i thought this article was pretty interesting, the chinese are actually admitting wrongdoing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8157715.stm

[1338 h4x0r]

For the reading impaired (thats you) it was stated that the U.S. feels an obligation to respect them due to their importance in today's affairs.

*smooch* *smooch* oh CPC your *** is so smooth and hairless

[TheDarkHorse]

*smooch* *smooch* oh CPC your *** is so smooth and hairless

More republican nonsense.

This is the exact reason why our country is where it is. Terrible foreign policy which assumes that any ounce of respect equates to 'kissing up.'

Its better we sacrifice our pride for the long run then end up on our knees because we failed to do so.

[1338 h4x0r]

More republican nonsense.

JAG ÄR SOCIALDEMOKRAT

This is the exact reason why our country is where it is. Terrible foreign policy which assumes that any ounce of respect equates to 'kissing up.'

No I'm talking about your specific tendency to kiss the *** of every (nominally) Marxist-Leninist regime around

Its better we sacrifice our pride for the long run then end up on our knees because we failed to do so.

News flash: China is the world's factory; the last something really important was invented there was centuries ago; our economic relationship with them is level; their economic growth is unsustainable; they're not going to become a hegemon unless a lot of **** changes

[TheDarkHorse]

No I'm talking about your specific tendency to kiss the *** of every (nominally) Marxist-Leninist regime around

I don't know why you feel the need to overreact to a "breach of sovereignty" when its a sign of respect, and feel that everyone who thinks this isn't a breach of any kind is automatically a Pinko-Communist sympathizer.

When you do away with your extremist tendencies, you can really learn a lot about people. For one, The world is not so black-and-white, and you can learn from someone who disagrees with you.

If you're just trolling then forgive me taking you seriously.

our economic relationship with them is level
Absolute nonsense

they're not going to become a hegemon unless a lot of **** changes
With a large economy, a large military, and a hand in many developing nations (Mostly in Africa) they are very much on the road to Hegemony.

[1338 h4x0r]

I don't know why you feel the need to overreact to a "breach of sovereignty" when its a sign of respect, and feel that everyone who thinks this isn't a breach of any kind is automatically a Pinko-Communist sympathizer.

But you are.

When you do away with your extremist tendencies, you can really learn a lot about people. For one, The world is not so black-and-white, and you can learn from someone who disagrees with you.

Pot. Kettle. Black.


Absolute nonsense


Duh huh yeah because somebody needs to buy from them

With a large economy, a large military, and a hand in many developing nations (Mostly in Africa) they are very much on the road to Hegemony.

http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2007/03/chinese-economy-unstable-unbalanced-uncoordinated-and-unsustainable-stephen-roach/

“unstable, unbalanced, uncoordinated, and unsustainable"

Wen Jiabao's description of his own economy

Also having a large military armed with AKs and RPGs isn't the same thing as having Reaper drones

[die of starvation]

trillions for defense but not a cent for tribute
grrr