when did rock turn into indie?

[Crudo]

i know there were some bands in between but what rock band made the first indie

[sweboy]

My thesis on the current topic is that the indie-ness of rock is largly a direct function of the testosterone levels of rock musicians. In this graph I have compiled data from throughout the history of rock:

http://i26.tinypic.com/2eqf1w8.jpg

Where the red graph shows the average blood testosterone levels of players of electric guitars and the green graph shows the indie-ness level of rock music, both plotted over time since 1960 up until today. In order to avoid having the rise of metal music with its extreme testosterone levels confound the graph, all data points from guitar players with an average head-nod angle during playing of above 30° have been omitted from the current data set.

The omittance of probable metal data points brings out some very clear properties in the graph. Notable is the increase in testosterone levels coinciding with the rise of rock and roll in the 1960's, and decreasing again after 1970 (in what some commenters have called "the death of rock and roll" (sweboy 2008)) and the golden era of prog-rock. The trend is then disrupted by the second peak in the graph, corresponding to the punk rock movement (according to some sources the highest point in the graph coincides with the release of Bad Brain's single "Pay to Cum!" in 1980).

After the second peak, we see the pattern that is most interesting to the current topic. The indie-ness levels, which up to this point had been barely measurable with the available technology, now starts to rise. What's remarkarble about this trend is that it shows almost a perfect negative correlation with the testosterone levels. Testosterone goes down, indie-ness goes up. I urge all readers to examine the graph themselves as the relationship is strikingly clear. After the year 2000, the derivate of the graphs increases further, leading to indie-ness levels orders of magnitude higher than anyone had ever even imagined in the previous history of rock music.

So, given the smooth appearance of the graph, it is hard to choose a single time point as the indiefication of rock.

[DhA]

I always thought it went punk > post punk > indie - like a pokemon evolutionary chain

[Wanker]

Swe: So does the decrease in testosterone lead to an increase in estrogen? In other words, is Indie music now more womanly now than it ever was?

[sweboy]

Indeed - a notable fraction of the decrease in guitar player testosterone levels can certainly be explained in terms of an increase of the number of female musicians in rock.

[YourBiggestFan]

lol

[Nadinus]

I like female indie/pop singers. I highly doubt anyone other than females would agree with on this.

[Sputnicca]

eliminator stop making threads that sweboy wants to post in

[Simon Cowell]

that graph fails to take into account simon and garfunkel.

[Meatplow]

simon cowell and garfunkel

[Simon Cowell]

awful.

[Meatplow]

truly

awful