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gaslightanthem
07-03-2009, 06:12 PM
Discussion on the review site today where people were arguing that rap isn't hip hop. I basically argued that: Hip Hop is to Rap, as Body is to Arm. Point: Rap is a part of Hip Hop.

Hip Hop is a culture (really, by definition) and rap is music. There cannot be a distinction created between Hip Hop Music and rap because rap IS Hip Hop Music. Party rap (out of refusal to say, commercial, because that criticism is silly), Gangsta rap, neo soul rap are ALL different forms of rap, thus different forms of hip hop music. So yes, Nelly, Lil Jon, etc. are making Hip Hop music, just as much as Rakim and Eric B, Krs-One, and others did (by no means am I drawing a comparison. I am merely stressing that they all make hip hop music).

So essentially rap is hip hop but hip hop isn't rap.

Thoughts?

illmitch
07-03-2009, 06:57 PM
sounds legit to me. i hate the hip hop vs rap distinction that some people make - a lot of times it ends up being "the hip hop i like" vs "the hip hop i don't like".

wartomods
07-03-2009, 07:44 PM
Rap is rythm and poetry , it is way of delivering lyrics, and i say rap can be used in other styles besides hip-hop, but it grew among hip-hop culture

gaslightanthem
07-03-2009, 07:57 PM
i get rap can be used in other styles but when you're talking specifically not about rapping but "rap music" then you can't take it away from hip-hop

Iai
07-04-2009, 03:53 AM
I used to tag releases on my RYM as being hip-hop but not rap (like Massive Attack) and rap but not hip-hop (like RATM)

but then i realised i didn't really care

niobium
07-04-2009, 11:07 AM
because gangsta hip-hop doesn't work at alll

Skyler
07-04-2009, 05:33 PM
rap is something that you do

hip-hop is a style of music

that's how i see it anyway

gaslightanthem
07-04-2009, 05:59 PM
well literally rap has to involve rapping and obviously instrumental music and trip hop doesn't have that

which is why i said "So essentially rap is hip hop but hip hop isn't rap"

but ya nobody really cares just bored

TomTheOverlord
07-05-2009, 02:14 AM
which involves black people?

carmensd88
07-06-2009, 07:30 PM
for me it all depends on the mood im in...obviously if i want to dance im feelin hip hop but to be honest im usually feelin rap

illmitch
07-06-2009, 10:42 PM
huh

SgtPrimus
07-07-2009, 09:58 AM
for me it all depends on the mood im in...obviously if i want to dance im feelin hip hop but to be honest im usually feelin rap

i can make you dance if ya want me to

Flagjacket
07-09-2009, 01:31 AM
Rapping is one of the five elements of hip-hop, but not since the 70s has any rapper or hip-hop group encompassed all 5 elements.

there are new elements, they are : Dancing, guns, and booty

lain_lain
07-09-2009, 12:58 PM
i like hip-hop that tells a story or that I can relate to. i get tired of listenin to songs talkin bout booty, chains, and cars

prime possum
07-09-2009, 08:12 PM
Rapping is one of the five elements of hip-hop, but not since the 70s has any rapper or hip-hop group encompassed all 5 elements.

there are new elements, they are : Dancing, guns, and booty

thou shalt remember that guns, bitches, and bling were never part of the four elements...

...and never will be

illmitch
07-09-2009, 08:56 PM
because rappers in the 80s never had gold chains or anything and "paid in full" wasn't about bling

...right?

ATM
07-09-2009, 09:38 PM
i like hip-hop that tells a story or that I can relate to. i get tired of listenin to songs talkin bout booty, chains, and cars

Get out.

illmitch
07-09-2009, 10:22 PM
^^ this

jcfiasco
09-23-2009, 11:49 AM
"I prefer listening to songs about beer pong and waking up late on a school day!"
Rofl asher roth is a hack. His song about constantly being compared to Eminem made me laugh.

Anyways, I've always considered rap and hip-hop different with no preference given to either but then again my distinction almost just separates the back packers into the hip-hop category and the more street styles into rap.

examples? sure. glad you asked.
Rap:
2pac, biggie, nas, jigga, DOOM, Juelz Santana, Jinx da Juvy, Joe Budden

Hip-Hop:
Classified, J-Bru, Buck 65, Hilltop Hoods, Lupe, Shad

kingsoby1
09-23-2009, 12:58 PM
whatever, this distinction is stupid

illmitch
09-23-2009, 02:04 PM
yeah mf doom is so street, that's why he raps about comic book characters

kingsoby1
09-23-2009, 08:50 PM
Dave the n' roll part of the genre is important as it signifies rolling around like andrew wk.

Iai
09-24-2009, 06:19 AM
they see me rollin'

Carl Sagan
09-24-2009, 07:19 AM
they do

scyther
09-24-2009, 09:07 AM
Just 'cause the distinction is dead doesn't mean that it should be.

Led_Zep_Bonham
09-24-2009, 10:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cQoN6AoS1M

Pokemon and hip-hop (to scyther).

Jaundice
09-24-2009, 10:55 AM
lol at people that think there's a distinction

Jaundice
09-24-2009, 11:25 AM
lol truth

Gattsu347
09-24-2009, 04:30 PM
There is no distinction, they're the same thing.

It's like saying "rock" is different to "rock n' roll"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/irishslappop/rocknroll.jpg

niobium
09-24-2009, 10:58 PM
that rock is tap dancing

scyther
09-25-2009, 12:33 PM
Hip-hop was around before the internet, and the distinction between the encompassing culture and rap music meshed before social networking on the internet became popular. It wasn't done by nerdy white people, it was done by millions of casual listeners that re-define every genre into something easy to remember.

cobert
09-25-2009, 03:29 PM
People that think there is a distinction just think 'rap' is a dirty word because it evokes terrible auto-tune bullshit. There's no difference. If there is different meanings to the word, I would say it's that rap is something you do while hip-hop is the more proper name for the style.

Jaundice
09-25-2009, 05:06 PM
People that think there is a distinction just think 'rap' is a dirty word because it evokes terrible auto-tune bullpoop. There's no difference. If there is different meanings to the word, I would say it's that rap is something you do while hip-hop is the more proper name for the style.question has been properly answered

can we close thread now :)

Jaded
09-25-2009, 09:41 PM
who f*cking cares jesus christ

scyther
09-26-2009, 12:58 AM
A lot of people care. It's like naming your kid John, but everybody else calls him Jack. No its not the end of the world but it gets pretty ****ing annoying after a while.

Rams
09-26-2009, 02:30 AM
hip-hop = music I like
rap = music I don't like

Gattsu347
09-26-2009, 06:16 AM
People that think there is a distinction just think 'rap' is a dirty word because it evokes terrible auto-tune bullpoop. There's no difference. If there is different meanings to the word, I would say it's that rap is something you do while hip-hop is the more proper name for the style.

people thinking rap involves auto-tune or some immeance popularity are completely wrong.

If anything Hip Hop is attached to Rap.

consider the words:
Rap - Rhythem and Poetry
Hip hop- Hip - trendy, hop- makes you wanna dance.


Hip hop is tendy dance. Rap is timeless.

Iai
09-26-2009, 07:18 AM
Wow. Not only wrong, but wrong in an entirely different way to everybody else.

scyther
09-26-2009, 09:36 AM
It's not amazing, it's just uninformed thinking. It happens often.

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 07:32 PM
Wow. Not only wrong, but wrong in an entirely different way to everybody else.

wow good rebuttal, you know smart people would call that being right.

iarescientists
09-27-2009, 09:12 PM
whoa dude you just blew my mind

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 09:15 PM
Ding ding class is in bitch



explain to me how im wrong, or easier, explain how hip hop is not trendy dance music.

points of interest:
1.singers in hip hop music are called rappers, not hip hoppers
2. hip hop is a recent term and was barely used till the turn of the millenium. before it was all rap, hip hop spawned from rap.
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI6ehZD-oC0

iarescientists
09-27-2009, 09:48 PM
the only way i know how to respond is with this quote from another thread

If one of you cowboys figures out a way to outright disprove a statement for which there's no supporting evidence or reason to believe it to be true then please tell me.

plane
09-27-2009, 10:04 PM
No they are called hip hoppers I was there

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 10:15 PM
hahahaha wow

haha you guys really dont have ****.


all you can do is say wow and laugh. i guess i win. good thread guys :D


Wu Tang style predates modern MMA

Rapping is a style of lyric that can date back to the 1970's (youtube video) or even longer

Hip hop is a style that post dates old school rap

i my mind, that means rap pre dates hip hop. not to mention hiphop sucks and lyrical rap is where its at.


and as far as this goes:
If one of you cowboys figures out a way to outright disprove a statement for which there's no supporting evidence or reason to believe it to be true then please tell me

1. non of you rap i guess
2. it's my opinion, im stating it as fact, and your eye pussies are reading it as such too, so quit being a bitch.
3. you're a tool

iarescientists
09-27-2009, 10:17 PM
do you go the glenn beck school of logic

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 10:25 PM
aww youre a republican

boooo

Rams
09-27-2009, 10:25 PM
Dioxippus predates Wu-Tang.

Your argument is invalid.

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 10:27 PM
the force is strong with this one...

iarescientists
09-27-2009, 10:30 PM
aww youre a republican

boooo

wait how does hating glenn beck make me a republican

do you have any ****ing idea about anything

Tits McGee
09-27-2009, 10:32 PM
2. hip hop is a recent term and was barely used till the turn of the millenium. before it was all rap, hip hop spawned from rap.

haha wow are you serious

Rams
09-27-2009, 10:37 PM
Hip-Hop was started in the earl 1900s when John Cage would scratch a phonograph with his music on it starting turntablism.

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 10:38 PM
ok ok ok


it became PROMINENT in this decade. it's still just Trendy Dance music.
ex. The black eyed peas 1998 Vs. The black eyed peas 2009

Tits McGee
09-27-2009, 10:40 PM
do you believe the world is flat also

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 10:47 PM
No, it became prominent in the 70s. It became prominent for you at the turn of the millennium because you turned 8 and started taking an interest in music.


well old timer, 70's hiphop probably wasnt over produced, watered down, mainstream bullshit either, so i think two things:

we're talking about different hiphop
we have different definitions of prominent.

Rams
09-27-2009, 10:51 PM
Guys, crack was invented in the mid 2000s.

The plus side of a thread like this is I get to look up groups like Fatback and Newcleus again to remind myself how the 70s didn't have hip-hop.

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 10:55 PM
i thought i already conceded this, less prominent. now shut up


jk keep talking.





oh and you associating crack with hip hop is like, racist or something :lol:

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 11:02 PM
alright new one:


Hip hop is Pop music.

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 11:02 PM
Yes, you are talking about the one you made up and we are all talking about the one that has existed for 40 years.

now its fourty years!

alright alright you win.

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 11:03 PM
Nope.

lol try to deny that i have a single source that is irrefutable.


hiphop is pop music.

Tits McGee
09-27-2009, 11:06 PM
your only source is you pretty much so idk

Rams
09-27-2009, 11:07 PM
Black people have been around for over 50 years now meaning Hip-Hop has been around that long.

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 11:10 PM
so hip hop is limited to black people only, but rap isn't?

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 11:10 PM
your only source is you pretty much so idk

do you have an opinion boy? or does the internet make your thoughts?

Rams
09-27-2009, 11:13 PM
Rap requires black people and words. Hip-hop requires black people and rhythm. We all know which of those two is natural.

Tits McGee
09-27-2009, 11:14 PM
do you have an opinion boy? or does the internet make your thoughts?

lol wat

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 11:17 PM
Rap requires black people and words. Hip-hop requires black people and rhythm. We all know which of those two is natural.

loleminem
lolaesoprock
lolatmosphere
lolslug
lolrobsonic

well im not black or a person
so i guess i'll call what i write
massive electric lyrical immersion

Skyler
09-27-2009, 11:18 PM
2. hip hop is a recent term and was barely used till the turn of the millenium. before it was all rap, hip hop spawned from rap.

lol

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 11:19 PM
This post wins the thread, and I really should close it now, but I want it to go on so badly.

why would a moderator close the most recently posted and viewed thread on the hiphop forum when there are no rules being broken? com on chief!

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 11:20 PM
lol

dude i seriously already repented my sins to the great Splat Out Immense god get over it k?

Skyler
09-27-2009, 11:28 PM
why would a moderator close the most recently posted and viewed thread on the hiphop forum when there are no rules being broken? com on chief!

Because this thread is pointless, and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 11:29 PM
Hip hop is pop music / hip hop is trendy dance music
Rap is a timeless tradition that Trendy dancers use to convey feelings and emotions to their audiences.

this is my stand.

Gattsu347
09-27-2009, 11:34 PM
^ pretty much

i guess you can close, thats not really what i ment to do though...

plane
09-27-2009, 11:52 PM
Wait so Aesop Rock isn't hip hop? And isn't rap something you do? And what would we call the production? I can't believe I've been getting this wrong for so many years

Gattsu347
09-28-2009, 12:16 AM
well according to some of you aesop cant be hip hop OR rap cause hes not black.

that aside
I'd call aesop more of a rhyme sayer then a rapper. his music is underground hiphop. so the trendy dancing is being done in a creative, interesting way so to speak.

Tits McGee
09-28-2009, 12:25 AM
i seriously don't know what's happened here

Rams
09-28-2009, 12:29 AM
i seriously don't know what's happened here

Zionist take over

Jaundice
09-28-2009, 12:30 AM
up next:

MC vs Rapper

Gattsu347
09-28-2009, 12:37 AM
i'd say little wayne is a rapper while someone like GZA is a MC. for some reason an MC in my mind has a firm grip on freestyle too. not to say little wayne doesnt, he just doesnt lead me to believe he does.

cobert
09-28-2009, 12:41 AM
i'd say little wayne is a rapper while someone like GZA is a MC. for some reason an MC in my mind has a firm grip on freestyle too. not to say little wayne doesnt, he just doesnt lead me to believe he does.

Highlighted: Your preferred method of reasoning in this thread's argument.

Tits McGee
09-28-2009, 12:42 AM
lol

Gattsu347
09-28-2009, 12:43 AM
dude, how many times do i have to say imo? is there something wrong with trying to discuss something here? im not arguing anything.

Here are all the tell tale signs that im not arguing and trying to discuss something here
i'd say little wayne is a rapper while someone like GZA is a MC. for some reason an MC in my mind has a firm grip on freestyle too. not to say little wayne doesnt, he just doesnt lead me to believe he does.

Rams
09-28-2009, 12:56 AM
Rappers spit rhymes that are mostly illegal, MCs spit rhymes to uplift they people

Rap = music for big booty bitches to drop their *** to
Hip-Hop = music of artistic merit that requires attentive listening and deep thought to comprehend the lyrical mastery

uncus_my_son
09-28-2009, 01:22 AM
rap comes from the word rapscallion cuz ghetto people are usually rascals and hip hop was invented in that movie kangaroo jack where they sang that one song

Carl Sagan
09-28-2009, 02:13 AM
Gattsu347 is the most obvious troll ever but rams saved this thread

Gattsu347
09-28-2009, 02:30 AM
Gattsu347 is the most obvious troll ever but rams saved this thread

why? my opinion is opposite of Rams, its not any less or more valid really.

Jaundice
09-28-2009, 03:06 AM
when some one disagrees with you it technically makes you wrong

Iai
09-28-2009, 12:00 PM
Hip-Hop was started in the earl 1900s when John Cage would scratch a phonograph with his music on it starting turntablism.
lolololol

i hope this is deliberately wrong

Carl Sagan
09-28-2009, 12:08 PM
dj cage bout to D-D-D-D-DROP DA BEAT

niobium
09-28-2009, 12:26 PM
4'33'' rims

Rams
09-28-2009, 12:44 PM
lolololol

i hope this is deliberately wrong

Of course, we all know Hip-Hop was started in the 1600s with the birth of auto-tune then called castratos.

kingsoby1
09-28-2009, 01:38 PM
nigga vs n-word

go!

Iai
10-04-2009, 08:35 AM
Of course, we all know Hip-Hop was started in the 1600s with the birth of auto-tune then called castratos.
lolololol

Rams wins this thread.