Heroin

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Heroin is an interesting and controversial topic so let's discuss it. Heroin is a very strong opiate and is very addictive. Heroin can be snorted, smoked or injected. I experimented some with heroin in college and found it extremely pleasurable and now understand how some people become addicted to it. I, fortunately, never became an addict. It is like being in the most comfortable blanket in the world, without a care and completely euphoric feelings surrounding your entire body. It is like being in your own private world where nothing can bother you. Fortunately, I never experienced withdrawal cause I was never a heavy user. One day, however, I did get sick the day after doing heroin and vomited three times and had the worst headache ever. It was like an alcohol hangover x10. I cannot imagine what it is like to go through the pain of withdrawal that addicts go through.

Some songs that I think capture the feeling of being on heroin pretty well are:

"Opium" by Marcy Playground and "Heroin" by the Velvet Underground.

These songs perfectly capture the feeling, but it is impossible to appreciate it without having had the experience of being on strong opiates.

Music and heroin have many ties to each other. The early New York punk scene as well as the Seattle grunge scene were heavily soaked in heroin and it comes through in a lot of the music. What do you guys think it is that makes musicians seem especially drawn to heroin? It seems like rock musicians more than any other demographic become junkies.

Discuss experiences, ask questions etc. Also discuss why you guys think heroin is the drug of choice for many rock musicians.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

Okay so i was writin g m y ps ost then suddenly and terribly a

[Meatplow]

I'm sure that for all the pleasures described there are far too many potential negative consequences for me to even consider putting that **** in my body.

[1338 h4x0r]

I use heroin regularly now and I haven't taken a **** for days

[Freiheit]

get maor fiba'

[Moon Flavor]

i'm workin on quitting opiates (still)

going on vacation tomorrow with my parents with no drugs though so this time i'll be forced to withdraw and shi

should be a hoot

anyways, heroin is not really for rock musicians so much as musicians in general. it was huge in the early jazz scene. nothing really to do with being a musician, it's just that musicians, like druggies, tend to be artsy people with no aim in life.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I'm sure that for all the pleasures described there are far too many potential negative consequences for me to even consider putting that **** in my body.

you wouldn't say that if you really knew what the pleasures were like. words cannot express the feeling.

[Meatplow]

no doubt but having to come off something so incredibly addictive in a physiological sense wouldn't be worth it i'm sure

more then a few people have turned into thieving criminals to try and get their next fix because they just can't face that comedown, gotta keep that high. not the life for me, sorry

[John Paul Harrison]

yep heroin
so besides personal experiences what's there to discuss about it

[1338 h4x0r]

So I heard heroin is a social problem in urban areas

[Pop music sucks]

Yeah? I heard urban is a heroin problem for social areas

[Meatplow]

william s. burroughs views on the topic often makes a good read

[Freiheit]

Heroine is terrible. I used to know someone on it and it completely dominated their lives. Everyone who knew him were effected by it immensely. That is why I really dislike the "oh drugs are victimless crimes" excuse some people give.

[Correction]

heroin destroys

[Nosferatu]

i'm workin on quitting opiates (still)

going on vacation tomorrow with my parents with no drugs though so this time i'll be forced to withdraw and shi

should be a hoot

good luck, dude. that's all i can say. i hope you're tolerance wasn't high. i can't think of anything that was more painful than trying to go cold turkey. i said "trying" because that never works out unless you are forced to do it. a lot of people say it only takes some willpower, but that only comes from the people who have never actually had to experience opiate withdrawals. there's no such thing as "willing" yourself to make it through severe withdrawals. the only way you will actually go cold turkey is if you have no choice, i.e. get thrown in jail or something to that effect.

you wouldn't say that if you really knew what the pleasures were like. words cannot express the feeling.

true, words cannot express the pleasure, but also, words cannot express the physical pain that associates severe opiate withdrawal. so it is not worth it.

[JonG]

my cousin got into heroin and died from a speedball

i dont think i want to do it

[Led_Zep_Bonham]

Most important is the origin of opium (biologically/historically/geographically).

[McP3000]

powder is the dumbest ****ing **** ever

[Meatplow]

Heroine is terrible. I used to know someone on it and it completely dominated their lives. Everyone who knew him were effected by it immensely. That is why I really dislike the "oh drugs are victimless crimes" excuse some people give.

There should be a distinction made clear. I've become quite certain all abuse is up to the user with many softer drugs (marijuana being the most obnoxiously demonised of the lot for decades), and if there is a degree of psychological addiction this is perhaps due to potential compulsive and depressive disorders the individual is suffering rather then as an actual effect of the drug itself.

Heroin is on a whole different level of potential damage. Disregarding the well documented pleasurable effects, it is well known that it ****s with the physiological conditions in the users body and can make people an absolute screaming, blubbering mess if they can't get a hit making them incredibly desperate and trapped in a vicious cycle that is impossible to break in the situation they have somewhere they can access (if that means stealing to provide the pusherman with money or going into prostitution for it, so be it).

The junky lifestyle is often described as a nightmare for both the user and anybody who cares about them, and I cannot see the recreational benefits with heroin use at all. It is far from a victimless crime to be selling that ****, but I am much more willing to be lenient regarding the distribution and use of softer drugs such as marijuana. People can still run very successful lives as a regular evening smoker, this is not an option with shooting up.

[Led_Zep_Bonham]

Heroin is a definite risk, it has its own category.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

People can still run very successful lives as a regular evening smoker, this is not an option with shooting up.

William S. Burroughs.

[Meatplow]

except he was a complete mess for most of his life and even he acknowledges this

[DENEpants]

drugs are bad. m'kay.

[StreetlightRock]

Trainspotting rules

[Meatplow]

Trainspotting rules

first thing I think of whenever heroin is mentioned, alongside burroughs & nick cave

both book and movie are good

[Light Flantastic]

Everyone who knew him were effected by it immensely. That is why I really dislike the "oh drugs are victimless crimes" excuse some people give.

i could be affected by my friends poor dress sense but i still have no business in telling him what to do

or in asking the government to ban pre faded jeans

drugs are a victimless crime

[jaredong]

Assuming that the government has no place to tell you what to do with your life, it doesnt necessarily justify drug use. You might have the right to harm yourself, but it doesnt mean its the right thing to do.

I dont know anyone really "justifying" drug use itself. The "it feels good" and "how do you know the world you live in is real?" hullabaloo is really subjective. What i can objectively say is that drugs harms your health permanetly in the long term.

I know marijuana has been justified in terms of the scale of the drug. Perhaps weed should be legalized because it isnt as bad as the hard drugs. I accept that. However, if the issue of "scale" could be used to justify marijuana, how about the impact of a person's drug use towards society?

For example, if a husband decided to take up WoW as a hobby, it isnt nearly as bad in scale as if the husband took up heroin as a hobby. It affects the family and the friends around him of a different scale.

Similarly, yes, we are individuals. But to some extent, we are also part of the family, part of civil society and part of the state. And hence, our actions affect them as well.

Furthermore, yes, we should be free to choose the decisions we make in our life. Nonetheless, this is assuming we are rational individuals who make reasoned choices in our lives. Rational individuals, who like Kant suggests, can ask if our actions can be universalized by everyone. For example, he would ask himself "Is it acceptable for everyone to take drugs?" And i'd say, he'd answer no. We rely on everyone else in society to provide our services, we're too interdependent on each other to justify it.

In anycase, I dont know how it can be argued that someone is free to take drugs, when really if you're a drug addict, you're anything but free. You arent free to choose amongst your desires rationally, but instead you're a slave to your one single desire.

In sum,
1) First, objectively, drug use harms your health is a better argument than the subjective feelings of pleasure.
2) Second, admittedly, the issue of scale can be used to justify weed. Similarly, I'd suggest hard drugs are higher level of harm than other hobbies, and that people are not only radically individual but also members of society as well.
3) Third, right to be free doesnt mean everything you do is right if it isnt done rationally. The addict claiming he is free to do anything he wants is not free; but a slave to his desires.

I dont know how the government should address hard drug users per say. (perhaps decriminalization) But what i can suggest is that there are pretty strong arguments against the use of hard drugs.

[Light Flantastic]

i dont need to justify using drugs, an action being 'right' should have no bearing on my liberty to do it

if that were the case we wouldnt be free at all, we'd just have a selection of government mandated choices

acts of non-aggression can only affect those allow it, my family is free to cut off ties with me if i choose to become a heroin addict, we're all individuals with the freedom to make those choices

will it cause them emotional distress? probably, but theres no right of protection from that, and there are families where homosexuality could cause more strife than drug abuse, perhaps thats a justification to ban homosexuality

[JohnXDoe3]

except he was a complete mess for most of his life and even he acknowledges this
i think its a fairly romantic notion you can use heroin and be...functional and cool and beautiful. the whole "elegant junkie" thing....Scott Weiland. i met that guy at a rehab once while attending a meeting with a friend. he was a bad joke. i also met Anthony Kiedis of the RHCP at a meeting after years of being clean. he was a great guy. he said he smoked it for a couple years. recreationally...never thought he would use a needle he said. one night he did and said it was a WHOLE other thing. and for him it was the beginning of a long descent. which he said surprised him because smoking it always gave him a "beautiful feeling"

but of course when we talk popular / famous artists and musicians / actors they are people of privilege. they have a certain lifestyle and money and for a while that can sustain them. but most in society of course aren't that fortunate. so getting the drug, using the drug, and having the time to do so becomes priority 1. it has to be because you are so fuc.king addicted

use is on the rise in rural areas. i saw a report that said use has exploded in Appalachia among the poor. i saw a family who load up the kids and make a near daily 100 mile round trip to get the stuff. why daily? because they do so much smack they have to hustle money in between trips to buy more rather then "stock up" like rich junkies do

i grew up around users for many years as a child and a teen. i find heroin users to be pretty sensitive people. after all, its a comfort drug, takes away your pain. life can be painful...more painful for some then others. drugs...and heroin especially, is a great way to relieve it. Pete Townshend once described it as like "being wrapped in your mothers love. where nothing can hurt you and everything is warm and safe." but of course its a big lie. because it just stops working and then you have to take it just so you won't be sick. just so you might be able to function...just for that one quick "hit" you get when you first let it flow into you veins. which is pretty pathetic

so yeah, the people i knew who had used it...well...its not a "social drug" unless you count the people you shoot up with so you can all "nod out" together. the "nodding out" part always looked funny to me. i mean you take a drug and it looks like you are falling asleep, can't hold your head up. but thats just the "wrapped in mothers love" part. it looks as bad as it feels good. but it never ends good from what i've seeing...and ends in jail or death or destitution or if you are lucky...recovery. those are your four choices, basically

its a shame based drug, a comfort drug, the best drug for the emotionally wounded. i wouldn't recommend it. work yourself out first...or you will have to later and it will be much, much harder

[Meatplow]

good post jxd

Assuming that the government has no place to tell you what to do with your life, it doesnt necessarily justify drug use etc You might have the right to harm yourself, but it doesnt mean its the right thing to do.

I dont know anyone really "justifying" drug use itself. The "it feels good" and "how do you know the world you live in is real?" hullabaloo is really subjective. What i can objectively say is that drugs harms your health permanetly in the long term.

I know marijuana has been justified in terms of the scale of the drug. Perhaps weed should be legalized because it isnt as bad as the hard drugs. I accept that. However, if the issue of "scale" could be used to justify marijuana, how about the impact of a person's drug use towards society?

For example, if a husband decided to take up WoW as a hobby, it isnt nearly as bad in scale as if the husband took up heroin as a hobby. It affects the family and the friends around him of a different scale.

Similarly, yes, we are individuals. But to some extent, we are also part of the family, part of civil society and part of the state. And hence, our actions affect them as well.

Furthermore, yes, we should be free to choose the decisions we make in our life. Nonetheless, this is assuming we are rational individuals who make reasoned choices in our lives. Rational individuals, who like Kant suggests, can ask if our actions can be universalized by everyone. For example, he would ask himself "Is it acceptable for everyone to take drugs?" And i'd say, he'd answer no. We rely on everyone else in society to provide our services, we're too interdependent on each other to justify it.

In anycase, I dont know how it can be argued that someone is free to take drugs, when really if you're a drug addict, you're anything but free. You arent free to choose amongst your desires rationally, but instead you're a slave to your one single desire.

In sum,
1) First, objectively, drug use harms your health is a better argument than the subjective feelings of pleasure.
2) Second, admittedly, the issue of scale can be used to justify weed. Similarly, I'd suggest hard drugs are higher level of harm than other hobbies, and that people are not only radically individual but also members of society as well.
3) Third, right to be free doesnt mean everything you do is right if it isnt done rationally. The addict claiming he is free to do anything he wants is not free; but a slave to his desires.

I dont know how the government should address hard drug users per say. (perhaps decriminalization) But what i can suggest is that there are pretty strong arguments against the use of hard drugs.

I'm sorry but a lot of this is incredibly contrived, speculative and just plain wussy. I doubt Kant would be an expert on drug use, somehow. I don't know if you are suggesting everybody who uses "a drug" is damaging themselves, and is a slave to the narcotic, but it feels that way. This is simply not true.

[BridgeToSolace]

3)The addict claiming he is free to do anything he wants is not free; but a slave to his desires.


Hm? So is everyone. Everyone.

[Moon Flavor]

good luck, dude. that's all i can say. i hope you're tolerance wasn't high. i can't think of anything that was more painful than trying to go cold turkey. i said "trying" because that never works out unless you are forced to do it. a lot of people say it only takes some willpower, but that only comes from the people who have never actually had to experience opiate withdrawals. there's no such thing as "willing" yourself to make it through severe withdrawals. the only way you will actually go cold turkey is if you have no choice, i.e. get thrown in jail or something to that effect.


Well I will be forced as I'll be isolated in the mountains with nobody but my parents. I've been doing it every day since about November I think. But always in small doses.

I just hope the withdrawal is small enough that I can just pass it off as being sick. If not, I guess I'll have to come clean with my parents. They should understand...but the number of times I've lied to them about not being on drugs.... ugh :(

[Freiheit]

i could be affected by my friends poor dress sense but i still have no business in telling him what to do

or in asking the government to ban pre faded jeans

drugs are a victimless crime

father gets addicted and neglects his kids to where its a danger to be around him


how is that victimless?

[BridgeToSolace]

father gets addicted and neglects his kids to where its a danger to be around him


how is that victimless?

Drugs do not turn you into a bad father.

The question you aren't asking in that equation is not who the victim is, but rather who the perpetrator is.

[Freiheit]

Drugs do not turn you into a bad father.

The question you aren't asking in that equation is not who the victim is, but rather who the perpetrator is.

I'm pretty sure addiction can easily turn you into a bad person.

[guitarded_chuck]

Addiction is a terrible thing and not worth anything to go through, let alone feeling good for a few hours. I've experimented with opiates (not heroin) and I can certainly see how potentially addicting they are. Do not try to argue for heroin use, that is idiotic and not worth the attempt. Personally, the best I've ever felt in my life is when I've stayed away from drugs and had the mindset where I never even thought about them. Life is great and to think about using drugs (talking about the harder stuff, not occasional alcohol or maybe weed) just turns me off, because I don't want to fall into brutal down spiral of addiction, and I don't even care about it anyway cause I'm happy and fine as I am.

It sounds lame and cliche, but get high on life and trying to do the best with it rather than pretending you love life by the use of addictive chemicals which only last for very short periods of time and essentially give you a false perception of things.

[BridgeToSolace]

I'm pretty sure addiction can easily turn you into a bad person.

Oh, all those great people who turn to addictive drugs?

Drugs are a manifestation for already existing problems. A good father does not start taking heroine while he has a child because if he does, he wasn't a good father to begin with.

Unless it's a kid taking drugs. They don't know the difference.

[Light Flantastic]

father gets addicted and neglects his kids to where its a danger to be around him

how is that victimless?there are other laws which protect children from that danger

its like saying throwing rocks isnt a victimless crime because it could hit someone in the face

well ya but there are already laws against hitting people in the face so throwing rocks is cool

[Freiheit]

there are other laws which protect children from that danger

its like saying throwing rocks isnt a victimless crime because it could hit someone in the face

well ya but there are already laws against hitting people in the face so throwing rocks is cool

idk, the way i see it is if you know your addiction is going to harm others around you its not victimless, but w/e I'm not really interested in drugzzzz

[Light Flantastic]

but that doesnt mean doing drugs inherently means there are victims so its still victimless

neglect is a separate and further thing that occurs in very specific circumstances

[Freiheit]

but that doesnt mean doing drugs inherently means there are victims so its still victimless

neglect is a separate and further thing that occurs in very specific circumstances

I see your point. However, there are situations where you know it will effect others.

[Mr. Ron]

I agree!

[Light Flantastic]

thats irrelevant to it being a victimless crime

there are a million things we wouldnt consider crimes that, in certain circumstances, could adversely affect other people

[BridgeToSolace]

At the same time, driving drunk is a crime even though it isn't inherently harmful.

[jaredong]

To clarify i suppose,

People should be free to do what they wish to a certain extent. I dont think the government should throw people into prisons and such; its a waste of resources among other things.

That being said, when people you know are harming themselves, how much do you have to hate them to not try to convince them otherwise? If there is a house on fire, and your friend is in it saying hes fine, would you not try to get him out of it? Im not going to lock them up or anything. But at the very least, you should ask them to justify themselves.

Not everything has to be justified no. However, this brings me back to the issue of scale. Wearing blue jeans or black jeans isnt a big deal. Taking drugs and failing at school is another. That's something i'd try to persuade someone otherwise.

I think you can do what you like, if you act responsibly and with reason. Heres something I read recently from Rousseau. He suggests that when men enters self-legislating civil society, it is there that he is truly free. From "On Civil Society"

Only then, when the voice of duty replaces physical impulse and right replaces appetite, does man, who had hitherto taken only himself into account, find himself forced to act upon other principles and to consult his reason before listening to his inclinations... In the civil state of moral liberty, which alone makes man truly master of himself. For to be driven by appetite alone is slavery, and obedience to the law one has prescribed for onself is liberty.

Its the same with Plato. When he talked about the how the rational part of the soul should lead the appetitive parts. I forget my Kant really. I do know he believed in self legislating yourself with reason to know what duty to act upon. Same with Hegel, "duty is not a restriction on freedom, but only freedom in the abstract, ie. unfreedom. Duty is the attainment of our essence, the winning of positive freedom."

Im not entirely sure. But I'd suggest many philosophers believe freedom is in acting within the laws that you have self legislated by yourself through reason. Conversely, I dont know many who advocate self-destruction.

The main point im trying to get across is that, I believe that people should be free. We all have our desires. But we are free in so far that we use our reason to reflect and act upon them. We are not free when only 1 desire leads us in one direction.

I know I know, I sound like some terrible authoritarian grumpy person. But i cant stand people around me hurting themselves.

[RetiredAt21]

um don't do heroin.

[Light Flantastic]

That being said, when people you know are harming themselves, how much do you have to hate them to not try to convince them otherwise?
trying to convince them and using force on them are two entirely different things

well-being is subjective anyway its not really as simple as no drugs good, any drugs bad, you cant take the principles you apply to yourself and push them as the preferable way to live because you cant objectively say that a long and productive life is better than a short flash in the pan one

[Meatplow]

To clarify i suppose,

People should be free to do what they wish to a certain extent. I dont think the government should throw people into prisons and such; its a waste of resources among other things.

That being said, when people you know are harming themselves, how much do you have to hate them to not try to convince them otherwise? If there is a house on fire, and your friend is in it saying hes fine, would you not try to get him out of it? Im not going to lock them up or anything. But at the very least, you should ask them to justify themselves.

Not everything has to be justified no. However, this brings me back to the issue of scale. Wearing blue jeans or black jeans isnt a big deal. Taking drugs and failing at school is another. That's something i'd try to persuade someone otherwise.

I think you can do what you like, if you act responsibly and with reason. Heres something I read recently from Rousseau. He suggests that when men enters self-legislating civil society, it is there that he is truly free. From "On Civil Society"



Its the same with Plato. When he talked about the how the rational part of the soul should lead the appetitive parts. I forget my Kant really. I do know he believed in self legislating yourself with reason to know what duty to act upon. Same with Hegel, "duty is not a restriction on freedom, but only freedom in the abstract, ie. unfreedom. Duty is the attainment of our essence, the winning of positive freedom."

Im not entirely sure. But I'd suggest many philosophers believe freedom is in acting within the laws that you have self legislated by yourself through reason. Conversely, I dont know many who advocate self-destruction.

The main point im trying to get across is that, I believe that people should be free. We all have our desires. But we are free in so far that we use our reason to reflect and act upon them. We are not free when only 1 desire leads us in one direction.

I know I know, I sound like some terrible authoritarian grumpy person. But i cant stand people around me hurting themselves.

I know you believe this out of the best of intentions but the question seems to be whether people are actually harming themselves from doing drugs in general (you don't seem to be making a distinction between soft and hard drugs here), and whether a friend who regularly smokes weed is akin to a friend stuck in a house on fire who needs to be saved. Is this always the case?

[Mr. Ron]

somoene is better off not doing heroine imo. Hard drugs like that only bring bad stuff with them in most cases.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Um people...some people do heroin and DO NOT become addicted. It's not like "I shot heroin WOOP look at that I'm addicted."

[RetiredAt21]

Um people...some people do heroin and DO NOT become addicted. It's not like "I shot heroin WOOP look at that I'm addicted."

It will catch up with you sooner or later, trust me brah.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

It will catch up with you sooner or later, trust me brah.

I haven't done it in months...

[RetiredAt21]

js, bro. if you keep doing it it will catch up with you.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I'm gonna not do it anymore I think.

[RetiredAt21]

good choice :]

[Jaded]

It's totally possible to smoke it and not get addicted, just don't be an idiot and do it more than once or twice a week. it's got a half-life of like 4 hours, so take breaks and you'll be fine. the vast majority of posts in this thread are ridiculous, i lol'ed several times at the essays you people are writing. guys just because someone you know is an idiot and got addicted to it doesn't mean that responsible people with an ounce of sense can't use it on occasion and not have dependency issues.

[JohnXDoe3]

some people don't have addictive tendencies so they might be less likely to become emotionally / mentally addicted. others have addiction in their genes, quite literally. many, many people even if they don't know it. and of course those who already use "softer" drugs think they can do harder drugs w/o becoming addicted. but thats part of the lie about the drug. the drug lies to you, you lie to yourself....and who knows, a few years down the road you are addicted

addiction is physical primarily. if you do it enough...it will stop working like it used to and you will do more. if you like it enough you will do more then you will need more

addicted. you cannot do heroin in a real way and not become addicted. its beyond your control. otherwise you could and would comtrol it. but you don't control hard drug use, it controls you

thinking anything else is just part of the lie of addiction. life experience tells us no one is unique in this regard. far greater people then most of us...smarter, talented, EVERYTHING going for them end up addicted. what makes anybody think they won't?

[RetiredAt21]

What kind of retard smokes heroin? What a waste tbh, bang that **** if your gonna do it.

EDIT: @ jaded

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

It's totally possible to smoke it and not get addicted, just don't be an idiot and do it more than once or twice a week. it's got a half-life of like 4 hours, so take breaks and you'll be fine. the vast majority of posts in this thread are ridiculous, i lol'ed several times at the essays you people are writing. guys just because someone you know is an idiot and got addicted to it doesn't mean that responsible people with an ounce of sense can't use it on occasion and not have dependency issues.

you can inject it and not get addicted

[JohnXDoe3]

you're right. i think its safe to say anyone can do almost any drug and not get "addicted" for awhile. you have to keep doing it. it can take some time

but when a person does become addicted they will be able to trace when they did back further then they expected. was it when you first got sick? stole something to buy it....lost friends, family, and work? couldn't live w/o it?

no...it will be traced back to the very fisrt time you used it, and thats why addicts often return to rehab again and again and again. even after being clean awhile. because even clean they are still addicts. "once an addict, always an addict"

and one time is all it takes to start tracing it back again. the vast majority of people would never even go near it. people need to be honest with themselves about why they do to really stop

if early on for you, yeah, best just to stop. because it is PHYSICAL. and unless a person is made of steel or can walk on water thats something which can't be denied

bottom line is you don't need it. and if you don't need it you're not addicted. so just don't do it. because you don't have to

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

i got sick once when i snorted three bags, the next morning i threw up all over my dorm and in the elevator and had a pounding headache. it turned out to be funny though because someone got in the elevator in bare feet and stepped on the vomit. the only other time i got sick was when i first shot it, now i just haven't done it, so i guess i'm not physically addicted so i have stopped.

[Iskandar]

Hm? So is everyone. Everyone.I like to eat cheese. I don't go on a violent rampage and throw chairs at the wall if I don't get my daily fix of it.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I like to eat cheese. I don't go on a violent rampage and throw chairs at the wall if I don't get my daily fix of it.

I like to shoot dope. I don't go on a violent rampage and throw chairs at the wall if I don't get my daily fix either.

[RetiredAt21]

I remember the first time I got sick...at the time I didn't even realize why I was sick. I was such a noob.

[iamtherobots]

My best friend is currently withdrawing from heroin, in an attempt to kick his habit. I hope it works for him, but he's been shooting up for a while so I'm pretty worried.

Heroin is ****ed up stuff.

[JohnXDoe3]

i got sick once when i snorted three bags, the next morning i threw up all over my dorm and in the elevator and had a pounding headache. it turned out to be funny though because someone got in the elevator in bare feet and stepped on the vomit. the only other time i got sick was when i first shot it, now i just haven't done it, so i guess i'm not physically addicted so i have stopped.
thats good. if you have stopped and have no physical need for it, you aren't addicted. and you most likely don't want to be that person who is. college, you have a life ahead of you

do other fun things. and their are other "drugs" as you know. so no need to go down a road you may find yourself lost on eventually

head up, onward and upward

now i've got a bowl to spark up, ty very much :smoke:

[iamtherobots]

I remember the first time I got sick...at the time I didn't even realize why I was sick. I was such a noob.

First time I did it I threw up all over my driveway.

The blood on my Nike dunks.

[RetiredAt21]

Word, first time I shot up I threw up hard, never threw up like that in all my life.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

What I want to know is why I got sick when I snorted three bags one day without having done it for weeks? Why was I sick the next day did I have some sort of mini withdrawal?

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Word, first time I shot up I threw up hard, never threw up like that in all my life.

Same, I was sweating like mad and throwing up everywhere, the people around me told me my eyes were rolling in the back of my head and that they thought i was going to die. It was not cool at all.

[JohnXDoe3]

anyone have any experience with black tar heroin? i saw on the news how its more popular then ever here in L.A.

potent, cheap, and long lasting they say

just wondering how its different then "regular" heroin or w/e

[RetiredAt21]

What I want to know is why I got sick when I snorted three bags one day without having done it for weeks? Why was I sick the next day did I have some sort of mini withdrawal?

If it was good dope it's no wonder you threw up. If it was garbage...not sure why you threw up, it was probably cut with some stupid ****.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

If it was good dope it's no wonder you threw up. If it was garbage...not sure why you threw up, it was probably cut with some stupid ****.

It was white powder dope that came in double sealed bags with stamps that had a pair of punching gloves that said "knock out." It wasn't my first time though, it was my like tenth, does dope just make you vomit if you don't have a high enough tolerance for it? Also, I never felt sick at all when I shot up except that first time which is really strange to me.

[RetiredAt21]

It was white powder dope that came in double sealed bags with stamps that had a pair of punching gloves that said "knock out." It wasn't my first time though, it was my like tenth, does dope just make you vomit if you don't have a high enough tolerance for it? Also, I never felt sick at all when I shot up except that first time which is really strange to me.

When I was addicted I got sick whenever my dealer got new **** that I wasn't used to. Sometimes it was better than what I was used to, sometimes worse. New stuff almost always made me puke.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

What made you quit? I just stopped because I moved away and just figured might as well not seek it out.

[RetiredAt21]

What made you quit? I just stopped because I moved away and just figured might as well not seek it out.

Just got sick of it controlling my life and being sick all the time, I looked like a ****ing zombie. So I bought a suboxone and just stopped. Pretty much the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

How do you get suboxone?

[RetiredAt21]

I got it from my dealer. $5 for an 8mg.

[Iskandar]

I like to shoot dope. I don't go on a violent rampage and throw chairs at the wall if I don't get my daily fix either.You shoot heroin?

[RetiredAt21]

Derp.

[Iskandar]

Wait, there are actually people dumb enough to use heroin still.

[Jude]

I'd kind of like to try heroin (and coke) but I'd be more likely to try coke because I'm too squeamish to inject myself

but I probably won't try either for obvious reasons even though I know people who have done it a couple times and are fine

[RetiredAt21]

Wait, there are actually people dumb enough to use heroin still.

lol

[iamtherobots]

Word, first time I shot up I threw up hard, never threw up like that in all my life.

ive never shot up, im afraid of needles lol

i like smoking it on weed

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

You shoot heroin?

When I do it I shoot it. I used to shoot it more often, I don't do it anymore.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I'd kind of like to try heroin (and coke) but I'd be more likely to try coke because I'm too squeamish to inject myself

but I probably won't try either for obvious reasons even though I know people who have done it a couple times and are fine

you don't have to inject it...

[Iskandar]

When I do it I shoot it. I used to shoot it more often, I don't do it anymore.Why would you do it at all.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Why would you do it at all.

It feels really good. It feels like you're having an orgasm for hours. I was also very depressed when I used to do it. Apparently you didn't read what I said about not doing it anymore... You are pretty retardville for a mod.

[Iskandar]

It feels really good. It feels like you're having an orgasm for hours. I was also very depressed when I used to do it.I was very depressed a couple of years ago but I never thought using the singularly most addictive and destructive drug was a good idea because it felt good, disregarding the expense and legality.
Apparently you didn't read what I said about not doing it anymore...I asked why you would do it at all, not why you stopped.You are pretty retardville for a mod.I think using heroin at all knowing the consequences of doing so is considerably more retardville.

[iamtherobots]

I think smart people have gotten hooked on dope in a lot of occasions that I've witnessed.

[RetiredAt21]

Tbh nothing feels better than shooting up a bag of heroin. It's bad, of course, but nothing feels better.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I was very depressed a couple of years ago but I never thought using the singularly most addictive and destructive drug was a good idea because it felt good, disregarding the expense and legality.
I asked why you would do it at all, not why you stopped.I think using heroin at all knowing the consequences of doing so is considerably more retardville.

1. It was cheap, high quality and delivered straight to my dorm, there was pretty much no risk. I also never got addicted so really no negative consequences other than spending some money came out of it. I also have the knowledge of what it's like so I am not ignorant about it like many people in this thread.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Tbh nothing feels better than shooting up a bag of heroin. It's bad, of course, but nothing feels better.

Very, very true. People just don't understand that haven't done it.

[Iskandar]

1. It was cheap, high quality and delivered straight to my dorm, there was pretty much no risk. I also never got addicted so really no negative consequences other than spending some money came out of it. I also have the knowledge of what it's like so I am not ignorant about it like many people in this thread.I don't think I'm ignorant about the consequences of injecting heroin. As more or less the most addictive substance known to man, it's extremely easy to develop an addiction which is nearly impossible to kick. I think the adverse health effects speak for themselves.

[JohnXDoe3]

I was very depressed a couple of years ago but I never thought using the singularly most addictive and destructive drug was a good idea because it felt good, disregarding the expense and legality.
I asked why you would do it at all, not why you stopped.I think using heroin at all knowing the consequences of doing so is considerably more retardville.
i believe crystal meth is the single most addictive drug

people try drugs because thats what people do sometimes. even heroin. its human nature to be curious and want to find out things for yourself

if you like it, and chances are you will because drugs feel great...you will do it again. because it feels good and the consequences are not clear at first

at first you think "wtf were THEY talking about? drugs are bad? this is GREAT!"

because it is. and you don't think something that feels so good can be bad. its just the way drugs are

which is why i lol at all the scare tatics used in society to ward people away from drugs. the "consequences?" that comes later

its personal. and nightmare stories of addiction don't discourage or dissuade. it FEELS too good

ask the average meth user why they like it so much? because its SEX. it makes sex better. they will tell you, unbelievably good. that is the big thing with meth. its a sex drug

lukeskywalkertakingadump told you it feels like TEN orgasms. so..at first if you can do it...the question for most people who try it is "why not"? and there really are no good answers at first not to

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I don't think I'm ignorant about the consequences of injecting heroin. As more or less the most addictive substance known to man, it's extremely easy to develop an addiction which is nearly impossible to kick. I think the adverse health effects speak for themselves.

If you haven't done it you can't possibly fully understand it. you just can't, i thought i did before i did it and then i realized i was wrong. If it is so easily addictive how am I not addictive after doing it like 30 times?

[RetiredAt21]

Very, very true. People just don't understand that haven't done it.

Yerp.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

i believe crystal meth is the single most addictive drug

people try drugs because thats what people do sometimes. even heroin. its human nature to be curious and want to find out things for yourself

if you like it, and chances are you will because drugs feel great...you will do it again. because it feels good and the consequences are not clear at first

at first you think "wtf were THEY talking about? drugs are bad? this is GREAT!"

because it is. and you don't think something that feels so good can be bad. its just the way drugs are

which is why i lol at all the scare tatics used in society to ward people away from drugs. the "consequences?" that comes later

its personal. and nightmare stories of addiction don't discourage or dissuade. it FEELS too good

ask the average meth user why they like it so much? because its SEX. it makes sex better. they will tell you, unbelievably good. that is the big thing with meth. its a sex drug

lukeskywalkertakingadump told you it feels like TEN orgasms. so..at first if you can do it...the question for most people who try it is "why not"? and there really are no good answers at first not to

I completely agree with this post. Crystal meth is one of the only well known drugs that I haven't experimented with and probably won't. But yeah that's true, I tried dope because I was curious and it felt good and so I thought 'why not?'

[Jaded]

What kind of retard smokes heroin? What a waste tbh, bang that **** if your gonna do it.

EDIT: @ jaded

it works pretty well tbh

[RetiredAt21]

lol crystal meth is for white trash.

EDIT: smoking heroin is a waste.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

it works pretty well tbh

coming from someone who has never shot it, also known as the efficient way.

[Jaded]

lol crystal meth is for white trash.

EDIT: smoking heroin is a waste.

shooting it is unnecessary and builds tolerance waaaay too fast. i've shot it once and it was too good to every do again. i took months off before i tried it again

besides the taste is bad enough to make you only want to do it on occasion

coming from someone who has never shot it, also known as the efficient way.
see above

[Iskandar]

And the most dangerous way too.

I don't see how an artificial euphoria is worth risking addiction and death.

[RetiredAt21]

I'd even rather snort it than smoke it tbh.

[Iskandar]

I'd rather avoid it entirely.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

And the most dangerous way too.

I don't see how an artificial euphoria is worth risking addiction and death.

some people don't care about their lives...a lot of these people do heroin.

[Iskandar]

some people don't care about their lives...a lot of these people do heroin.Okay, do it if you don't value your life. I value mine too highly to risk it that way.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Okay, do it if you don't value your life. I value mine too highly to risk it that way.

Again, read the part where I said I do not do it anymore. I would like to discuss the part of why rockstars are so prone to heroin use.

[iamtherobots]

lol crystal meth is for white trash.

EDIT: smoking heroin is a waste.

its better than nosing it because you dont get the disgusting *** drip

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

its better than nosing it because you dont get the disgusting *** drip

Agreed snorting it sucks dick. It tastes/smells sooo bad.

[RetiredAt21]

It ain't that bad u wusses.

[Light Flantastic]

Okay, do it if you don't value your life. I value mine too highly to risk it that way.

iskandar the sxe elitist now

[DhA]

no offence but he's kinda right. i don't care if someone else does it, to each their own, but you guys must see there's a rational reason for not wanting to do it?

[Light Flantastic]

life has no intrinsic value you might as well be in a stupor for all of it

[Iskandar]

Again, read the part where I said I do not do it anymore.Again, read the part where I asked why you would do it to begin with.
I would like to discuss the part of why rockstars are so prone to heroin use.Cause they're rich, dumb and party a lot.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Again, read the part where I asked why you would do it to begin with.

Read the part where I answered that question.

[Iskandar]

Read the part where I answered that question.Because you were depressed and it was readily available. By your logic, should I drink myself into a stupor right now? I live right by a liquor store.

[DhA]

life has no intrinsic value you might as well be in a stupor for all of it

maybe according to some convoluted theory that is out of touch with real life, because most people's lives do have some value - most people have stuff they want to do, whether it's being a mother/father, a great tennis player or even something like getting ahead in your job - risking heroin addiction puts anything like that in serious jeopardy.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Because you were depressed and it was readily available. By your logic, should I drink myself into a stupor right now? I live right by a liquor store.

It depends on whether or not you feel like doing that. I like drinking, if I didn't have anything better to do I would drink myself into a stupor. It all depends on what you want to do: do you want to be in a stupor or do you want to be an sxe kid? Me I smoke, I drank I'm supposed ta stop but I can't.

[Iskandar]

My life matters subjectively, ie. to me and others whom I know.
It depends on whether or not you feel like doing that. I like drinking, if I didn't have anything better to do I would drink myself into a stupor.Why would I binge drink on a Wednesday night. How fun could it be.
It all depends on what you want to do: do you want to be in a stupor or do you want to be an sxe kid? Me I smoke, I drank I'm supposed ta stop but I can'tI don't want to be either.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

maybe according to some convoluted theory that is out of touch with real life, because most people's lives do have some value - most people have stuff they want to do, whether it's being a mother/father, a great tennis player or even something like getting ahead in your job - risking heroin addiction puts anything like that in serious jeopardy.

it doesn't risk getting your dick sucked just look at kurt cobain and steven tyler and joe perry.

[Iskandar]

It does risk premature death just look at Tim Buckley, Janis Joplin and Bradley Nowell.

Now look at all the rock stars who didn't use heroin who got their dicks sucked routinely.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

It does risk premature death just look at Tim Buckley, Janis Joplin and Bradley Nowell.

Now look at all the rock stars who didn't use heroin who got their dicks sucked routinely.

getting your dick sucked while on heroin > getting your dick sucked while being sxe

[Iskandar]

getting your dick sucked while on heroin > getting your dick sucked while being sxeI don't intend to ever find out if it's indeed better.

But I'd assume the weapon of choice for most rock stars is hard liquor anyway.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Hard liquor makes it harder to get your dick sucked because you get whisky dick. If you're on heroin it already feels like you're still ridin clean makin cheese and gettin' your dick sucked.

[Iskandar]

If you get hammered, yeah.

You have a predilection to substance abuse don't you.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

If you get hammered, yeah.

You have a predilection to substance abuse don't you.

Well one day after school I took klonopin, morphine, snorted heroin, drank heavily, ate ten hits of acid along with three rolls and did a gram of cocaine. so you tell me.

[Iskandar]

Well one day after school I took klonopin, morphine, snorted heroin, drank heavily, ate ten hits of acid along with three rolls and did a gram of cocaine. so you tell me.And I'm sure you did well in school too.

[Light Flantastic]

doing well in school is another thing that means nothing really

but iskandar will cling to it

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

And I'm sure you did well in school too.

Yeah actually I got 12 college credits while in high school and went on to go to college. I made mostly B's.

[Iskandar]

Yeah actually I got 12 college credits while in high school and went on to go to college. I made mostly B's.But you risked that success anyway.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

But you risked that success anyway.

And had fun and still did well.

[DhA]

Well one day after school I took klonopin, morphine, snorted heroin, drank heavily, ate ten hits of acid along with three rolls and did a gram of cocaine. so you tell me.

...and you don't see the risk in doing that? just because someone jumps from a bridge and survives doesn't mean it was a smart choice.

[Light Flantastic]

greater risk greater payoff etc

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

It was great fun, I went to a party.

[Iskandar]

And had fun and still did well.There are other ways to have fun that wouldn't constitute as much of a risk.

Even drinking.

[Light Flantastic]

i dont need drugs to get high i get high off life


 
 
 

[DhA]

greater risk greater payoff etc
greater risk/greater consequences when you mess up - seriously - it's simple logic - if something is very risky i.e. it has more chance of turning out bad then going well - surely you'd have to concede there's a legitimate reason not to take that risk?

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

greater risk/greater consequences when you mess up - seriously - it's simple logic - if something is very risky i.e. it has more chance of turning out bad then going well - surely you'd have to concede there's a legitimate reason not to take that risk?

the only reason is you're a puss

[DhA]

unlike you, who is edgy and cool (on the internet) because you take drugs

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

i was just joking mr. straight edge elitist

[stevensonmat2]

doing well in school is another thing that means nothing really



Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[DhA]

lol i wasn't being elitist, if you'd actually read my posts i said i don't really care if other people want to do heroin, it's just that there IS a legitimate reason not to. if anything, by denying that, YOU came across as an elitist...

[stevensonmat2]

The only reason not to is the fear that you might not be able to handle it. Not necessarily a bad thing, but its just a self-imposed limitation.

[DhA]

or fear that you have an addictive personality and so would keep coming back etc.. certain people in this thread seem to lack the basic udnerstanding that everyone is not built the same.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

or fear that you have an addictive personality and so would keep coming back etc.. .

that is the same as not being able to handle it.

[iamtherobots]

Agreed snorting it sucks dick. It tastes/smells sooo bad.

Definitely. I like mixing it in with a nice bowl of headies on the rarest occasion, but that's it.

[DhA]

ok whatever. point still stands that i wasn't being "elitist", nor am i straight edge. i was merely sayign there are good reasons not to do it.

[iamtherobots]

Name one good reason not to do it.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

ok whatever. point still stands that i wasn't being "elitist", nor am i straight edge. i was merely sayign there are good reasons not to do it.

oh yeah of course, this is why i no longer use it. It is fun though. It's worth a "shot" lol.

[stevensonmat2]

that is the same as not being able to handle it.

I did say it was self-imposed, which might seem like I was implying anyone could handle it. Some people should avoid addictive drugs. I just hate how those who can use responsibly have to do so in secret.

[DhA]

if you know you have an addictive personality and don't think you'll be able to shoot up and not become a junkie?

if you can't afford it?

if you like your life as it is?

you don't want to risk getting stuff that's cut with extremely harmful substances?

i dunno, i'd consider those good reasons....

[iamtherobots]

So in other words, you're a pussy? I guess whatever works for you.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

if you know you have an addictive personality and don't think you'll be able to shoot up and not become a junkie?

if you can't afford it?

if you like your life as it is?

you don't want to risk getting stuff that's cut with extremely harmful substances?

i dunno, i'd consider those good reasons....

but Choking Victim presents a better reason

"and when there is no hope
I smoke some crack, I shoot some dope!"

[iamtherobots]

Choking Victim solutions are always the worst fyi.

[Iskandar]

I just prefer not to make dumb decisions.

[Light Flantastic]

I just prefer not to make dumb decisions.

there are no objectively better decisions stop being pretentious

[iamtherobots]

You're all about seeming smart, don't you know anything about preference brah?

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Choking Victim solutions are always the worst fyi.

Why do you say that?

[Iskandar]

define "dumb"Actions which are very likely to bring harm to me are pretty dumb, I'd say. Looking down the barrel of a gun is dumb. Standing on the edge of a bridge is dumb, no matter how much of a euphoric rush you may get from it.

[DhA]

You're all about seeming smart, don't you know anything about preference brah?

you obviously don't, because apparently I'm a pus sy for not shooting heroin.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Actions which are very likely to bring harm to me are pretty dumb, I'd say. Looking down the barrel of a gun is dumb. Standing on the edge of a bridge is dumb, no matter how much of a euphoric rush you may get from it.

if it is so likely how have i not been harmed?

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

you obviously don't, because apparently I'm a pus sy for not shooting heroin.

i think everyone was joking about that fyi

[iamtherobots]

I said you're a pussy because you're afraid, don't put words in my mouth.
Why do you say that?

Because Choking Victim is gay.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I said you're a pussy because you're afraid, don't put words in my mouth.


Because Choking Victim is gay.

no ur gay lol

[Iskandar]

if it is so likely how have i not been harmed?Taking lots of drugs harms your body in subtle ways. Becoming a junkie will probably kill you, and it's something any heroin user risks. Otherwise, there would not be so many junkies.

[iamtherobots]

no ur gay lol

Dude, am not. :(

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I'm putting the 'hero' back in 'heroin.'

[Iskandar]

From hero to zero.

[Light Flantastic]

Standing on the edge of a bridge is dumb, no matter how much of a euphoric rush you may get from it.

says you but the point is its subjective you know that is the point the whole point

[DhA]

I said you're a pussy because you're afraid, don't put words in my mouth.




when did i say i was afraid? what i said wasn't about fear, and i assume you're referencing the first part, it's about knowing personally what you/your body is like. that's not fear, that's common sense.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

From hero to zero.

hey how did you come up with that it was clever

[Iskandar]

hey how did you come up with that it was cleverwww.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_terminating_cliche

But anyway you're an adult and have every right to make your own decisions. Conversely, I have every right to think they're dumb.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_terminating_cliche

But anyway you're an adult and have every right to make your own decisions. Conversely, I have every right to think they're dumb.

Straight-Edge Christ-Core !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Iskandar]

Straight-Edge Christ-Core !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Ok I have every right to think you are straight edge christ core because of ya posts.

[Iskandar]

Ok I have every right to think you are straight edge christ core because of ya posts.No you don't because I've never said I am. I've only argued against heroin use specifically, not drugs in general and I certainly never claimed to be religious.

What you're doing is creating a strawman, attributing a position to me that I don't actually believe in. For the record I'm a casual drinker and occasional toker who happens to be an atheist. I am certainly not straightedge.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

No you don't because I've never said I am. I've only argued against heroin use specifically, not drugs in general and I certainly never claimed to be religious.

What you're doing is creating a strawman, attributing a position to me that I don't actually believe in. For the record I'm a casual drinker and occasional toker who happens to be an atheist. I am certainly not straightedge.

yeah sorry i was just f ucking with you. But heroin is straight mate you just jack it up and then you feel like you nut on urself for like 6 hours and it's not like you have to buy more.

[iamtherobots]

when did i say i was afraid? what i said wasn't about fear, and i assume you're referencing the first part, it's about knowing personally what you/your body is like. that's not fear, that's common sense.

You are such a sissy, holy crap.

[Iskandar]

Isn't the idea that people want to buy more and that's how they get addicted.

Granted, smoking isn't as dangerous as injecting. It's probably on par with coke.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Isn't the idea that people want to buy more and that's how they get addicted.

Granted, smoking isn't as dangerous as injecting. It's probably on par with coke.

Idk usually when I jacked it up I would be content with doing it that one day and then maybe do it two weeks later or whenever I felt like it, it's certainly not uncontrollable.

[DhA]

You are such a sissy, holy crap.

whatever, you're an idiot for judging me for not doing heroin, for the same reasons as 99% of the non-heroin community chose not to.

now run along and go shoot up, you probably enjoy it for the feeling of being "hardcore" over any physiological effect...

and no way you talk like that in real life. way to sound tough on the internet?

[Iskandar]

Idk usually when I jacked it up I would be content with doing it that one day and then maybe do it two weeks later or whenever I felt like it, it's certainly not uncontrollable.But it's more or less inevitable if you keep using it indefinitely. It's an addictive substance. So's alcohol.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

But it's more or less inevitable if you keep using it indefinitely. It's an addictive substance. So's alcohol.

the withdrawals won't kill you, you don't have to become an addict, you just suffer through the withdrawal and then do it again as you please

[Mr. Ron]

the psychology that goes behind wanting to do the stuff in the first place is questionable.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

further explain

[Iskandar]

the withdrawals won't kill you, you don't have to become an addict, you just suffer through the withdrawal and then do it again as you pleaseWithdrawal is a symptom of addiction silly. It's impossible to use heroin and not get addicted at some point; the only way not to is to stop using it before it becomes a fully-fledged addiction.

I may smoke the odd cigarette but I am not addicted to cigarettes. If I smoked them enough, though, I would be.
the psychology that goes behind wanting to do the stuff in the first place is questionable.
I expect it involves a lot of rationalizing and compartmentalizing.

Or just not thinking.

[Mr. Ron]

Mentally healthy people don't partake in heavy drugs.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Mentally healthy people don't partake in heavy drugs.

proof?

[Mr. Ron]

proof?
A normal person does what he/she can to preserve oneself, once that is compromised by heavy drugs I really don't think you can say you're a clear thinking person.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

A normal person does what he/she can to preserve oneself, once that is compromised by heavy drugs I really don't think you can say you're a clear thinking person.

I think clearly, but I don't use heavy drugs anymore.

[Mr. Ron]

I think clearly, but I don't use heavy drugs anymore.
well there you go

[Iskandar]

There's a strong link between mental illness and drug abuse.

[Mr. Ron]

I'm not saying necessarily that someone has to be mentally ill, but I think its definitely a psychological thing.

[Light Flantastic]

A normal person does what he/she can to preserve oneselfan average person

[stevensonmat2]

an average person

Bingo. Life is about experiences and risks, not preserving so you can live until retirement.

[Mr. Ron]

Of course you should take risks, but thats not what i'm talking about. Taking a risk usually doesn't mean actively destroying your body.

[DhA]

not really, it's about a balance between the two, and one that heavy drug use comes seriously close to (and often does) flout.

[Light Flantastic]

your body degrades all on its own from the moment you are born

but if its an enjoyment/duration tradeoff one side isnt objectively better than the other

[Mr. Ron]

idk not wasting away due to an immature habit sounds good to me

[Light Flantastic]

well yeah thats called subjectivity

[stevensonmat2]

Immature how, exactly?

[Mr. Ron]

I just don't really see shooting up heroine as something a responsible person does idk

[DhA]

Looking at it totally logically, guys like Light Flantastic are right I guess, but looking at it with a degree of common sense/human nature/not as a total robot, one has to see the virtue that no doing heroin has over doing it.

[stevensonmat2]

Looking at it totally logically, guys like Light Flantastic are right I guess, but looking at it with a degree of common sense/human nature/not as a total robot, one has to see the virtue that no doing heroin has over doing it.

Assuming "one" shares the same values and goals as you.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I want everyone that says heroin is horrible to answer this question: What are you doing right now that is more fun than being on heroin? You know what I'm doing, I'm on an internet forum and that is not better than being on heroin.

[RetiredAt21]

I did half a bag earlier, was pretty fun.

[Mr. Ron]

I want everyone that says heroin is horrible to answer this question: What are you doing right now that is more fun than being on heroin? You know what I'm doing, I'm on an internet forum and that is not better than being on heroin.
lol awesome reasoning

[RetiredAt21]

Yeah that was pretty dumb reasoning. Actually really dumb.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Why is it dumb?

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

because it's not specific to heroin lol


yes heroin is probably amazing amazing but some people like to have their happiness in a slow constant ebb rather than messing around with the cycle

i'm not speaking for myself of course tho i do not do heroin

[Smokey D]

your body degrades all on its own from the moment you are born

but if its an enjoyment/duration tradeoff one side isnt objectively better than the other

You can do whatever you want to yourself. Heroin is bad because of how affects other people.

This isn't rocket science.

[RetiredAt21]

Why is it dumb?

"I'm bored, school isn't fun, might as well shoot some dope!" "Reading is boring, SHOOT SOME DOPE!"

You see?

[flesh]

really good high

[RetiredAt21]

really good high

Did you smoke, snort, or inject it?

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I guess it just depends on whether you want to have fun and do heroin or be a sellout and suck dick for big business.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

i read the bible so i do hero instead

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

i read the bible so i do hero instead

i put the hero back in heroin:smash::cool:

[RetiredAt21]

I guess it just depends on whether you want to have fun and do heroin or be a sellout and suck dick for big business.

I like heroin and all but I don't do it because I don't want to be a sellout, lol wtf.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

i thought you didn't do it any more?

[RetiredAt21]

I'm not addicted to it anymore, but I still do it every once and a while.

[Correction]

never done heroin and im certain i never will

[stevensonmat2]

You will when I stick a needle in you.

[Smokey D]

I think this thread has done everything it needs to.