yourmorals.org

[1338 h4x0r]

Pretty cool

I just tried the Moral Foundations test

http://i44.tinypic.com/a4c51e.png

Nice

I'm surprised my authority score was so high (0.8 out of 5)

[Light Flantastic]

internet questionnaires are so fun

[cobert]

Neat-o!

Harm 3.5
Fairness 4.5
Loyalty 1.7
Authority 0.8
Purity 0.3

[Light Flantastic]

Harm 0.2
Fairness 1.3
Loyalty 0.0
Authority 0.0
Purity 0.0


does this mean i have no morals

[indietrashrock]

that was a horribly constructed quiz. which I'm not taking.

[RetiredAt21]

Harm 0.2
Fairness 1.3
Loyalty 0.0
Authority 0.0
Purity 0.0


does this mean i have no morals

yea ur a huge sl00t

[Mr. Ron]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2yv31uh.png

[Light Flantastic]

ron ur so conservative

[Mr. Ron]

i dun gettit i support gay mayyrage

[RetiredAt21]

lolololol

Ronald is a swell guy.

[Light Flantastic]

morality doesnt even exist really do what you want kill some animals who cares **** this stupid quiz

[Light Flantastic]

but thats like, just my opinion

[beso negro]

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[Kucinichism]

Harm: 1.7
Fairness: 3.5
Loyalty: 0.8
Authority: 0.8
Purity: 0.3

Hmm, still trying to interpret the harm result.

[Nadinus]

Harm: 4.5
Fairness: 2.5
Loyalty: 2.2
Authority: 2.2
Purity: 2.6 (wtf?)

[Iskandar]

Harm: 3.3
Fairness: 4.5
Loyalty: 0.8
Authority: 1.3
Purity: 0.3

Well, that wasn't anything groundbreaking.

[Ando!]

Harm 2.3
Fairness 2.5
Loyalty 1.2
Authority 1.3
Purity 1.5

kinda dumb

[McP3000]

http://i44.tinypic.com/t5kpw5.jpg

youre all a bunch of immoral heathens!!

[iarescientists]

Harm 4.0
Fairness 4.2
Loyalty 1.3
Authority 0.8
Purity 0.7

[Iskandar]

http://i44.tinypic.com/t5kpw5.jpg

youre all a bunch of immoral heathens!!Haha you conservative.

[cobert]

Some of the surveys on this site are actually kind of neat. There's one down the page that's called "Sacredness Survey" that was interesting.

[McP3000]

Haha you conservative.
hey, i might be waiting for marriage

but at least i didnt **** a jew!

[Mr. Ron]

:^o

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

ooo this is the site where people get those

[Iskandar]

hey, i might be waiting for marriage

but at least i didnt **** a jew!A hot Jew.

Quite a few times.

[die of starvation]

harm 0.8
fairness 4.7
loyalty 2.3
authority 2.7
purity 0.7

ok

[McP3000]

A hot Jew.

Quite a few times.
chop it off chop it off chop it off :smash:

[1338 h4x0r]

http://i44.tinypic.com/t5kpw5.jpg

youre all a bunch of immoral heathens!!

Who cares

[Iskandar]

Traditional morality is better because it's traditional.
chop it off chop it off chop it off :smash:The ZOG got me.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah hopefully one day McP will learn that the best thing about moral standards is that there are so many to choose from

[JohnXDoe3]

harm 1.3
fairness 2.3
loyalty 2.5
authority 2.8
purity 0.5

[Light Flantastic]

Who cares

presumably you since you made this retarded thread hurr durr

[McP3000]

Yeah hopefully one day McP will learn that the best thing about moral standards is that there are so many to choose from
ur rite i totally have traditional morals omg

and what set of morals do you abide to anyway? id like to broaden my taste of other "moral sets"

[1338 h4x0r]

Personally, I believe in Higher Utilitarianism as proposed by Mill

Of course Jesus is not a part of that system, but you'll notice that many countries are full of irreligious people and enjoy high standards living as well as low crime rates

[McP3000]

youre right poverty and crime rates have everything to do with believing in Jesus

[1338 h4x0r]

The Bible Thumper states have the highest crime and divorce rates in the Union ...... I'm not saying strong religiosity causes crime but it sure as hell doesn't stop it

[Moon Flavor]

we exist and then we die and the most important thing about life is enjoying it and helping other people to enjoy it

that's why traditional morals are utterly unimportant imo. if i have to choose between making the moral choice or allowing another to enjoy their life more freely, i would choose the latter.

don't feel like bringing up my scores but i scored significantly more liberal than the average liberal in each category...even though i don't really consider myself to be that radical of a liberal. i just think there's only a few important things in life, and tradition is not one of them

[1338 h4x0r]

^^^ this but I would add to that understanding the Universe because it is enjoyable in itself, if taught properly, and because it is a means to enjoying ourselves more

[Moon Flavor]

^^^ this but I would add to that understanding the Universe because it is enjoyable in itself, if taught properly, and because it is a means to enjoying ourselves more

I agree that it's fun to contemplate on what is actually going on but I don't like to go too deep because, tbh, there's no reason to spend too much time worrying about something that is completely impossible to comprehend in the fullest

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah that's why it's great: the work will never be done.

People will look back on the 21st century one day in the same way that we look back on the 13th now and wonder how they ever got by

[Moon Flavor]

Yeah that's why it's great: the work will never be done.

People will look back on the 21st century one day in the same way that we look back on the 13th now and wonder how they ever got by

yeah and yet we're so certain we're right about so many things:rolleyes:

that really scares me if i think about that too much though...

[1338 h4x0r]

Yes, but fear is sometimes the first part of the process of understanding. You can't learn anything if you stick your head in the sand.

Anyway, a lot of our prior knowledge has not been invalidated per se. It's been refined. e.g., Newton's laws of motions and Euclidean geometry are still pretty much true, but there's more additions and caveats now

[Moon Flavor]

Yes, but fear is sometimes the first part of the process of understanding. You can't learn anything if you stick your head in the sand.

Anyway, a lot of our prior knowledge has not been invalidated per se. It's been refined. e.g., Newton's laws of motions and Euclidean geometry are still pretty much true, but there's more additions and caveats now

This is true, but to be honest I'm not entirely enthusiastic about learning in some ways. Like I said it's fun. But so much is uncertain about the nature of existence. For example, we're the only creatures that have the ability to learn in the way we do. But does that mean that we are necessarily meant to, or that will make any difference if we know the nature of something that we can't change anyways?

And as far as those "additions and caveats" go, some of them make a pretty big difference :p

[1338 h4x0r]

If we knew enough, we could have world peace and use a Dyson array to collect all the extra energy from the sun

I mean the possibilities are limitless

[Moon Flavor]

If we knew enough, we could have world peace and use a Dyson array to collect all the extra energy from the sun

I mean the possibilities are limitless

World peace is impossible, a large percentage of the world's population will choose faith over factual evidence.

And yeah, collecting extra energy from the sun would be cool, I was talking more about learning in the context of things that we can't possibly learn enough about, such as "why are we here" or "where did matter come from"

[1338 h4x0r]

World peace is impossible, a large percentage of the world's population will choose faith over factual evidence

Less and less people belong to the "faith over facts" crowd every year

Then there's always the option of augmenting biology ...... in fact I'm using that option right now because I'm myopic and I need glasses to see things clearly

[Moon Flavor]

Less and less people belong to the "faith over facts" crowd every year

Then there's always the option of augmenting biology ...... in fact I'm using that option right now because I'm myopic and I need glasses to see things clearly

ummm...maybe in america, but remember it has to be a worldwide effort

And augmenting biology is nice depending on the case, we just have to be careful how we tread into that territory. Like, genetic modification and **** like that. Don't like it one bit.

Anyways, i'll continue this tomorrow if I remember gotta sleep

[1338 h4x0r]

ummm...maybe in america, but remember it has to be a worldwide effort

On the contrary, I had in mind the rest of the Western world, the Jakota triangle and hell even some places less well known for development. Look at how Iranians openly challenged the Ayatollah in the streets a few days ago

Amurrika is one of the most backwards Western countries when it comes to religion

[griftadan]

so fairness is pretty overrated. why shouldn't different people be treated differently in different situations? it makes sense a lot of the time

[Iskandar]

so fairness is pretty overrated. why shouldn't different people be treated differently in different situations? it makes sense a lot of the timeI remember when you were a libertarian.

[Light Flantastic]

don't feel like bringing up my scores but i scored significantly more liberal than the average liberal in each category...even though i don't really consider myself to be that radical of a liberal. i just think there's only a few important things in life, and tradition is not one of them

idk how you can score more liberal when theres no 'liberal' axis

[McP3000]

so fairness is pretty overrated. why shouldn't different people be treated differently in different situations? it makes sense a lot of the time
no it doesnt

[Mr. Ron]

fairness can lead to lowering the bar in some situations, which I am against. I say let the strong and intelligent prosper. The less fortunate should be helped, of course, however no one should be impeded in their greatness. Success should be looked up to.

[griftadan]

I remember when you were a libertarian.

ideals are gay

[Mr. Ron]

so gay

[Light Flantastic]

why be a libertarian when you can be pretentious and whiny instead

[1338 h4x0r]

fairness can lead to lowering the bar in some situations, which I am against. I say let the strong and intelligent prosper. The less fortunate should be helped, of course, however no one should be impeded in their greatness. Success should be looked up to.

heil, actually

so gay

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[rasputin]

according to this website i am above the law

[Smokey D]

fairness can lead to lowering the bar in some situations, which I am against. I say let the strong and intelligent prosper. The less fortunate should be helped, of course, however no one should be impeded in their greatness. Success should be looked up to.

Um, "fairness" has a pretty broad range of meaning. I see nothing automatic in the claim that 'fairness can lower the bar'.

Also, justice only exists in principles which would be made under conditions of fair and equal deliberation.

[die of starvation]

so fairness is pretty overrated. why shouldn't different people be treated differently in different situations? it makes sense a lot of the time

leave out the different situations part and you will have something that is actually unfair instead of some kind of scarecrow

[Mr. Ron]

Um, "fairness" has a pretty broad range of meaning. I see nothing automatic in the claim that 'fairness can lower the bar'.

Also, justice only exists in principles which would be made under conditions of fair and equal deliberation.
there are those who can perform in certain things, and then there are those who can't. Making it a level playing field is hurting the superior individual in that given field.

[die of starvation]

fairness is the absence of bias not a communist utopia

[Mr. Ron]

fairness is the absence of bias not a communist utopia
shouldn't there be a bias towards the better person though?

[Smokey D]

there are those who can perform in certain things, and then there are those who can't. Making it a level playing field is hurting the superior individual in that given field.

Erm, the whole concept of 'level playing field' is that we remove any institutional or exterior biases so that individuals' respective merits, not their relationship with pre-existing power structures, can determine the outcome.

shouldn't there be a bias towards the better person though?

Nothing in the concept of fairness says that better people aren't entitled to better results. I would say that that the essence of fairness is everyone is owed what they deserve.

[die of starvation]

shouldn't there be a bias towards the better person though?

no that's just as counterproductive as holding unequal people to be equal

[Iskandar]

shouldn't there be a bias towards the better person though?No that's not fairness dammit.

Besides the idea of who's better is subjective.

[Light Flantastic]

Besides the idea of who's better is subjective.which is why bias is cool

[pedro durruti]

Nothing in the concept of fairness says that better people aren't entitled to better results. I would say that that the essence of fairness is everyone is owed what they deserve.
sorry i wasn't listening to your conversation but what dyoo mean better results? "what people deserve though is a highly philosophical topic, and includes extreme rationalizing that isn't necessarily fair... i mean the true spirit of fairness is giving people what they deserve, but it's most likely that all people deserve the same things

[1338 h4x0r]

except pedro durruti

[pedro durruti]

no i get just as much sugar as evreybody else

[1338 h4x0r]

You don't deserve it though

Dirty butthole

[Virus278]

Harm: 1.7
Fairness: 3.5
Loyalty: 0.8
Authority: 0.8
Purity: 0.3

Hmm, still trying to interpret the harm result.

Ya, so am I. All the other qualities are positive traits which kind of makes you wonder how the 'harm' chart should be read.

I consider myself moderate/slightly liberal but 4 out of 5 of my foundations are much closer to conservative than liberal - they're all .3-.5 points away. For purity I got .7 though.

[Light Flantastic]

All the other qualities are positive traitssays you

[Smokey D]

sorry i wasn't listening to your conversation but what dyoo mean better results? "what people deserve though is a highly philosophical topic, and includes extreme rationalizing that isn't necessarily fair... i mean the true spirit of fairness is giving people what they deserve, but it's most likely that all people deserve the same things

Well, yes it's an issue with contentious content but I don't see why anyone would think 'fairness' would require the bar to be lowered or whatever.

[1338 h4x0r]

Education?

[Smokey D]

What?

[1338 h4x0r]

Well people complain about fairness in education; they often don't want classes to be segregated into "normal" and "gifted"

[Smokey D]

Well, I don't know if it's unfair to cater for people's abilities. It would be unfair, though, to deny people of approximately equal potential the same resources.

To the extent differentiating educations requires a decision regarding people's potential before it has been proven or whateever, then it is unfair.

[1338 h4x0r]

So we're in a debate about what "fair" is then

That really clouds the issue

[Smokey D]

The point was not to provide a definition of fairness. It was to suggest that there is nothing inherent in the concept of fairness which requires 'lowering the bar' and I struggle to think of examples where the bar would be lowered.

[Light Flantastic]

1338 only supports discrimination when it favours him

how quaint

[1338 h4x0r]

The point was not to provide a definition of fairness. It was to suggest that there is nothing inherent in the concept of fairness which requires 'lowering the bar' and I struggle to think of examples where the bar would be lowered.

Alright ...... fair enough