The Official Car Thread

[TimJim]

this thread is devoted not so much to NASCAR and F1 racing as much as your own, personal vehicle and what you have done or are planning to do with it. you can post pix of your car and list what youve done to it, including interior shizz like sterios etc. if a mod can think of a better name for this thread like "the official autosports thread" or something like that then go ahead and do whatever to it.

so i talked to my dad about buying a ruined 2000-2002 trans am for cheap then putting a 7.2L crate engine in it and adding a supercharger/overhauling it and spending around $10,000-$15,000 on it, and he told me that he'd help me out

either that or ill get the Cobalt SS and max that out

[beso negro]

well i'm looking to buy a new car (not used). so far i'm thinking:

2009 nissan versa
2009 suzuki sx4
2009 hyundai elantra

maybe 2009 honda civic. obviously i'm not trying to spend much more than $15,000.

[ThePatient]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/OmgJeffParsons/DSCN0054a.jpg

Its my baby.

2003 Ford Lighting. I've only put an intake and exhaust on it, as its my daily driver I don't want to make it crazy. As soon as I get something to drive to work everyday there will be new pulleys, a new supercharger, and a Roush suspension kit on it.

[TimJim]

well i'm looking to buy a new car (not used). so far i'm thinking:

2009 nissan versa
2009 suzuki sx4
2009 hyundai elantra

maybe 2009 honda civic. obviously i'm not trying to spend much more than $15,000.have you considered a mazda? those are fun cars... especially the rx8

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/OmgJeffParsons/DSCN0054a.jpg

Its my baby.

2003 Ford Lighting. I've only put an intake and exhaust on it, as its my daily driver I don't want to make it crazy. As soon as I get something to drive to work everyday there will be new pulleys, a new supercharger, and a Roush suspension kit on it.holy crap dude thats ace.... thats like one of the only pick ups that i would consider getting

[Crapdragoon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/crapdragoon/1031070001.jpg


really old picture but yeh me whips

the 8 now has some 18x8 Volk ce28n wheels in gold

sti has prodrives =]]]

[guitarded_chuck]

I have an 07 Civic Coupe. So far I've just done some interior and exterior upgrades (complete sound system overhaul, new low pro 17" tires/rims, window tint), but this summer as I save some money I'm going to install air intake and maybe a nice performance exhaust. I'm really picky about the exhaust thing so haven't decided yet.

[Jawaharal]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/crapdragoon/1031070001.jpg


really old picture but yeh me whips

the 8 now has some 18x8 Volk ce28n wheels in gold

sti has prodrives =]]]

<3 <3

god I love subies

[Zakath]

really old picture but yeh me whips

the 8 now has some 18x8 Volk ce28n wheels in gold

sti has prodrives =]]]nice

I am picking this up on Monday. '07 with 11k miles. It's been flashed to stage 1 but I'll prob leave it as is until warranty expires then go stage 2.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Zakath/004.jpg

[Crapdragoon]

only 11k miles? dang barely even touched!! congrats dude you gonna love it. before you even realize you'll have 22k... then 33... :p

[Zakath]

only 11k miles? dang barely even touched!! congrats dude you gonna love it. before you even realize you'll have 22k... then 33... :poh hell yea :D I test drove it and was like :amaze: :amaze: i want/need right now

[Crapdragoon]

yeah both my cars got around 85k each and they are still running strong

[Zakath]

is that an 06 or 07? have you done anything to it? I was looking for a stock 07 but apparently they come extremely lean so it's actually safer to run the stage 1 map as soon as possible

[Understanding In a Crash]

'95 Toyota Corolla :upset:

But seriously the SVT Lightning, STI, and RX8 are holy crap :thumb:

[TimJim]

this is what i have currently... its not pretty but its damn quick. 0-60 in no time haha.

the down side is that the speedometer only goes to 85mph :(
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/timmyjimmy1/SDC10442.jpg

[Crapdragoon]

is that an 06 or 07? have you done anything to it? I was looking for a stock 07 but apparently they come extremely lean so it's actually safer to run the stage 1 map as soon as possible


06

other then prodrives p1s and dropped it inch/half inch with some tanabe springs thats it

i havent really thought about doing anything engine wise, ive had it for about 2 and a half years and im kinda thinking about trading it in for a truck...

[ThePatient]

holy crap dude thats ace.... thats like one of the only pick ups that i would consider getting

Its the only Ford I would ever buy. Its ridiculously fun to drive, but I get depressed every time I look at the odometer... :(

Wow, STi's are pretty popular on here. I do like Mazdas though, and they're definitely becoming more popular all around. The Mazdaspeed brand is great, and I've had some guys give me a run for my money from a stop in those things.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Its the only Ford I would ever buy. Its ridiculously fun to drive, but I get depressed every time I look at the odometer... :(

Wow, STi's are pretty popular on here. I do like Mazdas though, and they're definitely becoming more popular all around. The Mazdaspeed brand is great, and I've had some guys give me a run for my money from a stop in those things.
Haha I feel like STi's are popular anywhere. They are basically the pinnacle between boy racer and mid life crisis. Mazdaspeed doesn't get enough credit. I'm really not a fan of the RX-8 compared to the 7 but I do love mostly everything else Mazda has to offer. I think the new 3 is ugly as hell but the 2.5 paired with a 6 speed is as close to a commuters dream while staying in a good gas mileage range.

[beso negro]

have you considered a mazda? those are fun cars... especially the rx8

the 2009 mazda3 is an option for me. but if i'm going to pay that much i'd rather just get the civic

[ThePatient]

Haha I feel like STi's are popular anywhere. They are basically the pinnacle between boy racer and mid life crisis. Mazdaspeed doesn't get enough credit. I'm really not a fan of the RX-8 compared to the 7 but I do love mostly everything else Mazda has to offer. I think the new 3 is ugly as hell but the 2.5 paired with a 6 speed is as close to a commuters dream while staying in a good gas mileage range.

In my experience (and that's work and recreation), the Mazdaspeed 3 (especially hatchback for some reason) has an incredible upside for the money. If I were buying a little toy right now, that's what I'd go with. Even if it were just a Mazda3, I'd honestly take it over the WRX. The 3 seems to be the fashionable thing to be driving these days and Speed or not, you really can make it quite formidable for not that too much of a cost.

Oh, and don't bother with the Cobalt. I drove the Lt2 model of that car, brand new, for 6 months, and then I traded it in. Its stiff, cheap, and uncomfortable for the money. Not much changes for the SS model, so I really recommend anything else. Maybe, oh I don't know, the Mazda3...?

[Zakath]

Haha I feel like STi's are popular anywhere. They are basically the pinnacle between boy racer and mid life crisis. I clearly fall into the latter catagory. :lol:

anyway it's official.. drove her home today. :chug:

[Crapdragoon]

congrats!!

[TimJim]

lucky bastard

[Understanding In a Crash]

In my experience (and that's work and recreation), the Mazdaspeed 3 (especially hatchback for some reason) has an incredible upside for the money. If I were buying a little toy right now, that's what I'd go with. Even if it were just a Mazda3, I'd honestly take it over the WRX. The 3 seems to be the fashionable thing to be driving these days and Speed or not, you really can make it quite formidable for not that too much of a cost.

Oh, and don't bother with the Cobalt. I drove the Lt2 model of that car, brand new, for 6 months, and then I traded it in. Its stiff, cheap, and uncomfortable for the money. Not much changes for the SS model, so I really recommend anything else. Maybe, oh I don't know, the Mazda3...?
I really think the new ones (3's) look not too shabby minus the fact that the grill is constantly smiling. Really bad idea with the smiling grill. RX8 fender flairs are awesome, 2.5L engine is awesome, everything is awesome enough for me to forgive the smiley face front fascia.

Don't know who was talking about a Cobalt but it's not as bad as people make it seem. The interior appointments aren't as bad as GM usually but the 2.2L ecotec is prob the best 4 cyl engine GM ever made. 155 hp and 0-60 time that could give the 2.5L Mazda or 2.4L toyota vvt for it's money. Always loved the 5 sp getrag manual trannys in the gm cars. SS is in a whole different league from any cobalt. It's like comparing a 3 (2.5L) compared to the Speed model. It's also like 7k more... lol

[Crapdragoon]

the turbocharged cobalts are nice, the supercharged ones are crap

i think the turbocharged version has the record for fastest FF car on the 'ring

[TimJim]

i think the turbocharged version has the record for fastest FF car on the 'ring
yeah thats what my mum wants me to get haha

and ofc i would take it to stage three and get the hp to 260 or w/e the highest is

[Crapdragoon]

lol.... /face palm

stage 3 huh

[sonictheplumber]

cars go VROOM

[Crapdragoon]

i mean seriously timnoob do you even know what your saying?

ugh ffs the turbo cobalts already come with 260hp (ehhh about 220 to the wheels but we'll call that good)

and saying "stage 3" means nothing. Tuning of cars comes in increments, not stages.

im assuming you played grand turismo 2 alot, or something...

[TerranYouApart]

lol.

I've done two SR20 swaps in 240sx's and done repair work (what else, the damn things are always broken down, a shame considering how beautiful they are) on an rx7 (fd). I love working on cars.

Timjim talking about cars makes me want to slap him.

I drive a 2006 honda civic now, bone stock, and will stay that way forever. I'll graduate one day and my dream is to build a 350z or 370z track car in my garage, while keeping a daily driver.

[Crapdragoon]

i hate 350z, but i love how the 370zs came out, in about 10 or so years when they are like 6gs im gonna snatch one up and make it a time attack car.

[sonictheplumber]

370zs rock

[TerranYouApart]

i hate 350z, but i love how the 370zs came out, in about 10 or so years when they are like 6gs im gonna snatch one up and make it a time attack car.

lol, i'll see you on the track, KID.

and i'll pwn you like scvs pwn dragoons.

[Crapdragoon]

ohh that sounds like a challenge

i hope your on the west coast then buddy, ill be tearing it up as from Laguna seca all the way down to Fontana.

[sonictheplumber]

cars is not a ****ing sport, WRONG FORUM

[TerranYouApart]

oh wow, i would cream my pants to be able to time attack laguna seca. I live in texas, the only tracks we have here are ovals. ugh, rednecks :rolleyes:

i'd probably take the corkscrew at like 15-20 mph. lol scary when it's your pride and joy you're driving, i'm sure

[Crapdragoon]

yeah i missed an opp last year to hit it, it was gonna be $150 for the day, not bad.

[sonictheplumber]

oh look, a sports forum. maybe I should start a thread about CARS.

[TerranYouApart]

racing is a sport would you shut up?

my honda civic is so slow. sooooooo slowww. 40 mpg slow. rough coming from my two 240sx's prior.

[sonictheplumber]

no its not

[TerranYouApart]

who the **** are you anyways? a lot of people have a passion for cars and working on cars can we discuss it without you please?

edit: oh, that's convenient. :lol:

anyways. FWD, RWD, AWD? preferences?

I'm a RWD fan myself. the new Genesis coupe from hyundai looks interesting, I would definitely take it for a spin, if you know what I mean.

[Crapdragoon]

I was somewhat interested in the turbo 4 version, but when i saw its curb weight i kinda threw up in my mouth a lil.



As far as drivetrain preferences go I really don't have one, when utilized correctly they can all be as fast and agile as the other.

[Zakath]

I'd love to do a trackday at Laguna Seca, preferably on my bike.. but even in a car it would be sweet. I'd love to track my car as well... but since it will be my DD I think I'll just baby it. :(

[Understanding In a Crash]

anyways. FWD, RWD, AWD? preferences?

I'm a RWD fan myself. the new Genesis coupe from hyundai looks interesting, I would definitely take it for a spin, if you know what I mean.
I've only driven two RWD cars before and one was a 1988 325xi and the other was a 2005 350z and both are extremely fun. As they are extremely fun for some NY winters I just don't think they are cars to take out without sandbags in the trunk. I do want to drive a modern day Grand Marquis just for the hell of it though. I've always had a fancy for RWD large domestic sedans.

http://invimg.autofunds.com/InventoryImages/2009/01/739_52919_78696698_11115423112009.jpg

FWD seems to take out the fun of anything. AWD I've never actually driven but the only AWD drive system I really want to drive is Subaru's symmetrical one. If i'm going AWD I want equal distribution at all times if not, then NO :smash:

[TimJim]

i dont like fwd because theyre not as quick. and they dont give as goo of burnouts, but then again theres nothing wrong with that haha

[Understanding In a Crash]

i dont like fwd because theyre not as quick. and they dont give as goo of burnouts, but then again theres nothing wrong with that haha
Traction is improved by having the weight of the engine and transaxle over the drive wheels. It's also cheaper to manufacture and sell because there is no driveshaft or rear axle housing to build. The transmission and differential are located in one housing and less parts are needed. For suburban mama's and people who flat out don't care about cars other than being an appliance FWD is great.

RWD is used on all the world’s fastest road course race cars and many performance production vehicles for this reason. Modern day RWD car's have less of a handling and traction disadvantage with the new safety technologies (traction and stability control).

If anyone has driven a RWD car I doubt they'd ever side with the FWD being superior. It's hard to explain but peeling the tires in a corner slide with a RWD car is something to be reckon with. The worst parts of AWD is basically expensive, bad fuel economy, and HEAVY. Subaru seems to make me forget alot of these negatives. :D
http://pipstore.com/info/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/subaru_legacy_1st_generation.jpg

[TerranYouApart]

tim once again.. lol.

awd is great for the handling balance and jumps off the line. it is awful for your clutch if you suck at driving. the fastest road cars in the world are AWD, btw. (nissan gtr, bugatti veyron, lambos, etc.)

rwd is the most fun, pegging the gas in a corner in my 240 would leave a huge grin on my face every time.

speaking of car crashes... hoooooly shi........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sl-Bnd7f6M&feature=player_embedded
warning.. kind of graphic...

[horseypie]

if youre any kind of car enthusiast i couldnt see anyone buying a fwd over a rwd in all honesty
at the moment i drive a 92 white camry, its a fridge on wheels but i like it. tough as anything. i checked the oil the other week for the first time in a long time (i know im an idiot) and the stick was bone dry, the car just kept chuggin along.
if i can the next car i buy will be a hilux like this
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/2001-2004_Toyota_Hilux_%28RZN149R_MY02%29_4-door_utility_01.jpg/800px-2001-2004_Toyota_Hilux_%28RZN149R_MY02%29_4-door_utility_01.jpg except 4wd. thats what id like, i guess just because i love the look of them and how tough they are, and i wanna take it offroad and thrash it around in mud and stuff. i know ill probs get hacked because there are better 4wds around but at the moment thats what id really like to get

[Crapdragoon]

speaking of car crashes... hoooooly shi........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sl-Bnd7f6M&feature=player_embedded
warning.. kind of graphic...



Holy crap.

The G forces the guy probably felt at impact must of been insane!

His head prolly snapped right off his body

[Jim]

if youre any kind of car enthusiast i couldnt see anyone buying a fwd over a rwd in all honesty
at the moment i drive a 92 white camry, its a fridge on wheels but i like it. tough as anything. i checked the oil the other week for the first time in a long time (i know im an idiot) and the stick was bone dry, the car just kept chuggin along.
if i can the next car i buy will be a hilux like this
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/2001-2004_Toyota_Hilux_%28RZN149R_MY02%29_4-door_utility_01.jpg/800px-2001-2004_Toyota_Hilux_%28RZN149R_MY02%29_4-door_utility_01.jpg except 4wd. thats what id like, i guess just because i love the look of them and how tough they are, and i wanna take it offroad and thrash it around in mud and stuff. i know ill probs get hacked because there are better 4wds around but at the moment thats what id really like to get


i'd hate to be seen in any toyota, but they do keep going and going. those hilux's are tough as nuts.

my current drive is an R31 skyline and it's been close to death so many times, but it keeps chugging along and is driving now better than ever after i replaced a few things. it's done over 600,000 k's. at least i guess it has, the odometre stopped ages ago at 567,000 =/

my next car is preferably a late 80's, early 90's mercedes sedan.

http://px6.streetfire.net/0001/89/04/1599840_600.jpg

tasty and affordable

[Jawaharal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y6lIaGZA4w - Evo shows up lambo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l15l3nTLmhE - evo topping out at 220.5

I like evo's alot

[TerranYouApart]

if youre any kind of car enthusiast i couldnt see anyone buying a fwd over a rwd in all honesty


i'm a huge car enthusiast and I drive a fwd car because it's cheap and practical. sometimes there are more important things to take care of than what you drive. cars are expensive, man!

nissans are the best, they eventually start running kinda rough, but they will never die.

[Understanding In a Crash]

i'm a huge car enthusiast and I drive a fwd car because it's cheap and practical. sometimes there are more important things to take care of than what you drive. cars are expensive, man!

nissans are the best, they eventually start running kinda rough, but they will never die.
Same here I'm a die-hard automobile fan but I'll prob never drive a RWD just because of the practicality and pricing. I mean yeah, I can afford a Grand Marquis or a Crown Vic but I can hardly afford a true RWD sports car. I'm 21 with a clean record on my license and my insurance is still absurd (NY).

This leads me to my next question. Do you guy's think it's better to buy a luxury car (BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, etc.) that's 6-9 years old over a brand new car that's a Toyota Yaris/Honda Fit? I'm just asking bc I priced 3 series from 2 gens ago 99-04 and they are basically the same price as a brand new sub compact with 50,000 something miles on them.

I feel like this question has an added variable of gas pricing in the USA within the next 5 years. It's already a nickel away from $3 a gallon for 87 octane.

[TimJim]

This leads me to my next question. Do you guy's think it's better to buy a luxury car (BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, etc.) that's 6-9 years old over a brand new car that's a Toyota Yaris/Honda Fit? I'm just asking bc I priced 3 series from 2 gens ago 99-04 and they are basically the same price as a brand new sub compact with 50,000 something miles on them.
yes. i got my car for $300. it has 80,000 miles and is in mint condition. i put new brake lines in and a new cradle for around $300 and now its worth $1200-$1500, AND its 20yo. older luxury cars always always always beat those little smart cars. my friend has a yaris and its been in the shop six times

[TerranYouApart]

if you're friend is anywhere as dumb as you are about cars it's probably because he tried to boost the a/f ratio to get maaaaaad horsepowerzz man or some other dumb thing. toyotas are generally the most reliable cars on the road.

that said, i think while at first a 6 year old luxury car would feel like the better purchase, but in 4 years when you're looking for a new car because your "luxury" ride is shitting out you may regret it. bmw's are sweet sweet rides, but how many 90's bmw's do you see on the roads? now honda's, toyota's etc... just my 2 cents

[TimJim]

um no he didnt tune it or anything. it just blows

[Zakath]

I'm 21 with a clean record on my license and my insurance is still absurd (NY).
Yea, try being 22 with license suspension and tons and tons of moving violations on your record. The quotes I got from insurance companies were basically them just telling me to **** off and buy a different car or use public transportation. :mad:

[TimJim]

Yea, try being 22 with license suspension and tons and tons of moving violations on your record. The quotes I got from insurance companies were basically them just telling me to **** off and buy a different car or use public transportation. :mad:how high exactly?

[Understanding In a Crash]

Yea, try being 22 with license suspension and tons and tons of moving violations on your record. The quotes I got from insurance companies were basically them just telling me to **** off and buy a different car or use public transportation. :mad:
So wait are you just driving with no insurance LOL... Having your license suspended and tons of moving violations prob has some good stories behind it- do share?

Also a Toyota Yaris in a shop constantly is hard to believe. CR has it ranked as second most overall reliable car behind the Scion xD of 2008... I mean it's a bare bones 1.5L 4 cyl what the hell could go wrong.

[Understanding In a Crash]

that said, i think while at first a 6 year old luxury car would feel like the better purchase, but in 4 years when you're looking for a new car because your "luxury" ride is poopting out you may regret it. bmw's are sweet sweet rides, but how many 90's bmw's do you see on the roads? now honda's, toyota's etc... just my 2 cents
This is a strong statement. I have a friend who has always been into "old" luxury like an 88 e30 and more recently a Mercedes thats the exact generation of the early 90's one someone said they wanted. These cars are really classy looking even today but I've never been in one of his cars that didn't have something wrong. Granted they are 20 years old and the only thing that my family has owned in the automobile field that is even close to that is a 1990 Ford Taurus wagon that has been a horrid money pit but is used only as a train car.

Just to add to this, once again I drive a 95' Toyo Corolla and I've seen more than a handful of ones everywhere in NY. Even the generation before I see... I'm more than lucky for getting this car for under 2k, it's amazing and never stranded me ever.

[TimJim]

so it looks like i ill be getting the turbocharged cobalt ss in a few months :D im super excited that im gonna get a new car.. but sad that the trans am planhasnt been as promising as it seemed :(

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/buying_guide/chevrolet/cobalt/2008_chevrolet_cobalt_ss/2008_chevrolet_cobalt_ss_short_take_road_test/1444911-1-eng-US/2008_chevrolet_cobalt_ss_short_take_road_test_feat ured_item.jpg

[nevertoolate]

doesn't look too shabby timjim. what r the specs??

[TerranYouApart]

This is a strong statement. I have a friend who has always been into "old" luxury like an 88 e30 and more recently a Mercedes thats the exact generation of the early 90's one someone said they wanted. These cars are really classy looking even today but I've never been in one of his cars that didn't have something wrong. Granted they are 20 years old and the only thing that my family has owned in the automobile field that is even close to that is a 1990 Ford Taurus wagon that has been a horrid money pit but is used only as a train car.

Just to add to this, once again I drive a 95' Toyo Corolla and I've seen more than a handful of ones everywhere in NY. Even the generation before I see... I'm more than lucky for getting this car for under 2k, it's amazing and never stranded me ever.

it may not have leather seats, but it starts on the coldest winter day.

european cars are notorious for shhitting out at 85k miles.

[Understanding In a Crash]

it may not have leather seats, but it starts on the coldest winter day.

european cars are notorious for shhitting out at 85k miles.
I don't even like leather tbh. Cloth is aight, but I'm pretty much a weird fan of the synthetic fibery feel of seats that bolster me well. Haha.

About the 2nd statement I'm not so sure about. The "friend" I speak of has probably a 1/4 of amount of money I have saved up right now for a new vehicle and always buys old bimmers or mercedes for about 3-5k and usually can route up around 160,000 miles until something serious happens. In the case of his 88 e30 that "serious" thing was the engine going on fire. I'm really not smug about interior but I don't want it to look like general motor's lego pieces and I also like things ergonomically smart :thumb:

I guess I just answered my own question with a new Toyota compact :chug:

[TerranYouApart]

yeah, japanese cars are really the most practical thing right now for people our age. my 06 civic is really just awesome. it's slow as all hell (at least it's a standard), but everything is made for the driver. i'm 6'3 and have plenty of room, all the knobs and levers and cubbies are in perfect reach, and i get 38 mpg at 65mph. and it's got really responsive handling, much moreso than the 240sx (probably just because the chassis isn't ancient :p)

[Understanding In a Crash]

I do alot of commuting and even though I'd prob love the inline 6 2.5 engine of a 3 series I'd prob rather keep it real. New civics highly appeal to me even more so than new Corollas...

4 wheel disc brakes for one thing, also I think the 4 dr looks great.

[TerranYouApart]

yeah the brakes on my ride are ****ing pimp. plus the car is extremely light on its feet.

it would be a lot more fun with a straight 6 and rwd though. :p

[Understanding In a Crash]

yeah the brakes on my ride are ****ing pimp. plus the car is extremely light on its feet.

it would be a lot more fun with a straight 6 and rwd though. :p
My car is at close to 130,000 miles and has been driven hard for majority of it's life. I'm the 2nd owner of the car starting at about 80,000 miles and the car was in two moderate accidents. Yet it's running like a champ and the most expensive thing done to it was brakes and rotors that honestly made it feel drastically great. I know it might not mean anything to anyone else but I'm really proud to say I still have my first car from when I was 16 years old and still in high school (and 4 gf's later :naughty:) and I'm 21 now and in my last year of college.

In my "car" bank account I have almost 10k saved for a new ride... I want to get to about 11-12k until I start seriously looking. I know how bad I want a Hyundai Genesis coupe 2.0 but I know thats prob really out of reach for me. I have excellent credit but I just feel like insurance and the monthly payments might be much. I know alot of people give Hyundai slack and I'll be the first one to admit the Koreans made horrible cars in the early 90's but they've really come around and my family owns a Sonata and Azera which have been as good as the Camrys and Corollas we've owned.

http://www.niot.net/niot_570/hyundai%20azera%20niot.net%20(17).jpg

[TimJim]

doesn't look too shabby timjim. what r the specs??
Base Price
25,000

Drivetrain
Front Wheel Drive

Curb Weight (lbs)
2926

City (MPG)
22

Hwy (MPG)
30

Horsepower
260 @ 5300

Torque (lb-ft)
260 @ 2000

Wheelbase (in.)
103.3

Length (in.)
180.5

Width (in.)
67.9

Height (in.)
55.5


and if i took it to stage four, it would be 350hp

[Understanding In a Crash]

For TimJim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnVK6WOTVmI&feature=fvw

Launch Control on a car so cheap is quite awesome.

[TerranYouApart]

My car is at close to 130,000 miles and has been driven hard for majority of it's life. I'm the 2nd owner of the car starting at about 80,000 miles and the car was in two moderate accidents. Yet it's running like a champ and the most expensive thing done to it was brakes and rotors that honestly made it feel drastically great. I know it might not mean anything to anyone else but I'm really proud to say I still have my first car from when I was 16 years old and still in high school (and 4 gf's later :naughty:) and I'm 21 now and in my last year of college.

In my "car" bank account I have almost 10k saved for a new ride... I want to get to about 11-12k until I start seriously looking. I know how bad I want a Hyundai Genesis coupe 2.0 but I know thats prob really out of reach for me. I have excellent credit but I just feel like insurance and the monthly payments might be much. I know alot of people give Hyundai slack and I'll be the first one to admit the Koreans made horrible cars in the early 90's but they've really come around and my family owns a Sonata and Azera which have been as good as the Camrys and Corollas we've owned. [/img]

last summer my family rented a Sonata. I was extremely impressed. The genesis is definitely cool too, but as crapdragoon pointed out, 3300 lbs??? jesus, where did they put all that weight?

[Understanding In a Crash]

last summer my family rented a Sonata. I was extremely impressed. The genesis is definitely cool too, but as crapdragoon pointed out, 3300 lbs??? jesus, where did they put all that weight?
I've personally driven the Accent, Elantra, Sonata, and Azera. These are great automobiles in terms of refinement and fit and finish. Very much reminds me of the Corolla and Camry generations from the early 90's in terms of impressiveness. I've driven from the 2.7 v6, the 1.6 I4, and the 3.8 v6, these engines are very good. My sister's 2,7 v6 get's about 22 city/30 highway and is quite potent off the line. I'm not a Hyundai fanboy by any means but they put out a great product for a great price and who doesn't love that.

As for the weight of the Genesis coupe, yeah I'm disappointed as well. I mean it could be much worse but when I saw it in person it looks more like a G37 with a bit of Nissan silvia which both are pretty long cars. The number specs I got on it are pretty much on par with the '10 Mustang but the Mustang definitely edges it out in certain things. Pretty impressive though for a company who really never ventured into this class before with anything but some piece of crap called a Scoupe lol.

http://thegarageblog.com/garage/wp-content/uploads/scoupe1.jpg

[TimJim]

For TimJim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnVK6WOTVmI&feature=fvw

Launch Control on a car so cheap is quite awesome.hell yeah dude!for sure. that and the no lift shifting make it soooo ace

[nevertoolate]

and if i took it to stage four, it would be 350hp

is the upgrade expensive?? coz that a significant boost

[TimJim]

its $450

[nevertoolate]

where do I sign???

[TimJim]

in america haha

but the problem is that much power with a fwd vehicle could rlly **** me over if i cornered too fast

[nevertoolate]

if the rear suspension set up runs a sway bar you can increase the width of it to help counteract understeer

[Crapdragoon]

its $450


oh **** where do i even begin...



god damn it you are a moron, ill just leave it at that.

[Understanding In a Crash]

JDPower just posted it's IQS 09 ranks...
TOP THREE MODELS PER CAR SEGMENT

Subcompact Car
Highest Ranked: Toyota Yaris
Hyundai Accent
Honda Fit

Compact Car
Highest Ranked: Hyundai Elantra sedan
Toyota Prius
Honda Civic

Compact Sporty Car
Highest Ranked: Scion tC
Volkswagen GTI

Compact Premium Sporty Car
Highest Ranked: Nissan Z
Mercedes-Benz SLK

Entry Premium Vehicle
Highest Ranked: Lexus IS
Cadillac CTS (tie)
Infiniti G Sedan (tie)

Midsize Premium Car
Highest Ranked: Lexus GS
Acura RL
Lexus ES

Midsize Sporty Car
Highest Ranked: Ford Mustang

Large Premium Car
Highest Ranked: Lexus LS
Mercedes-Benz S-Class

Midsize Car
Highest Ranked: Nissan Altima
Pontiac G6
Chevrolet Malibu

Large Car
Highest Ranked: Mercury Sable
Toyota Avalon
Chevrolet Impala

Compact MAV
Highest Ranked: Chrysler PT Cruiser Wagon (tie)
Honda CR-V (tie)
Mitsubishi Outlander

Midsize MAV
Highest Ranked: Chevrolet TrailBlazer (tie)
Ford Edge (tie)
Toyota 4Runner (tie)

Large MAV
Highest Ranked: GMC Yukon
Chevrolet Tahoe

Midsize Premium MAV
Highest Ranked: Lexus GX
Lexus RX
Cadillac SRX

Large Premium MAV
Highest Ranked: Lexus LX
Cadillac Escalade
Mercedes-Benz GL-Class

Large Pickup
Highest Ranked: Ford F-150 (tie)
Toyota Tundra (tie)
Chevrolet Avalanche

Midsize Pickup
Highest Ranked: Honda Ridgeline
Nissan Frontier
Ford Ranger

Minivan
Highest Ranked: Toyota Sienna
Honda Odyssey

Automaker Problems per 100 Vehicles
Industry Average 108
Lexus 84
Porsche 90
Cadillac 91
Hyundai 95
Honda 99
Mercedes-Benz 101
Toyota 101
Ford 102 (scary closer to Toyota)
Chevrolet 103
Suzuki 103 (out of left field)
Infiniti 106
Mercury 106
Nissan 110
Acura 111
BMW 112
Kia 112
Volkswagen 112
GMC 116
Buick 117 (what happened?)
Audi 118
Pontiac 118
Scion 118
Volvo 118
Saturn 120
Mazda 123
Lincoln 129
Subaru 130
Dodge 134
Jaguar 134
Mitsubishi 135
Chrysler 136
Hummer 136
Jeep 137
Saab 138
smart 138
Land Rover 150
MINI 165 (ouch for making only 3 cars in America LOL)

[TimJim]

oh **** where do i even begin...



god damn it you are a moron, ill just leave it at that.

what did i do? thats what the catalogue says :(

[Alf™]

itt: timjim shows he doesn't know much about cars

[808]

Cars is not a sport.

[Alf™]

oh!

[nevertoolate]

quick close this thred b4 it hurts some1

[guitarded_chuck]

civic nation

[Understanding In a Crash]

Bad
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/9222/ricer2gm.jpg

Good
http://www.cars-bikes.info/d/2546-2/2008-honda-civic-mugen-si-002.jpg

Bad
http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2008-06/general-lee-honda-civic.jpg

Good
http://www.iceposter.com/thumbs/A23653_b.jpg

[guitarded_chuck]

I have a good one. Classy looking black 07 coupe LX. Only tunes I've done is audio upgrades, tinted windows and a set of excellent 18" bronze rims. Same concept as that last car really, but different model. I'll put up some pics after I wash/wax it tomorrow and take some new ones.

[beso negro]

went car shopping today. it's between the 09 civic and 10 mazda3. also slightly considering nissan sentra or ford focus.

i can get the mazda 3 for 17K. 09 civic for 18K. If I wait until mid july the civic will go down a couple thousand though.

tough decision

[Understanding In a Crash]

went car shopping today. it's between the 09 civic and 10 mazda3. also slightly considering nissan sentra or ford focus.

i can get the mazda 3 for 17K. 09 civic for 18K. If I wait until mid july the civic will go down a couple thousand though.

tough decision
Alot of that depends on the models that your looking at. A civic for 18k could easily be an EX model and a 3 for 17k is probably the 2.0 models. An EX civic with the 1.8 is one of the best economy cars today and with the addition of 4 wheel disc brakes it blends some nice ammenties with being a compact car. Is it worth the extra grand? Indefinitely since your buying into Honda's long line of reputation of reliability. The 2.0 Mazda 3's I'm not really fond of. It's the same exact engine in a Ford Focus that you could get thousands cheaper just because it says Ford. Is it as good looking as a 3? No... but is it worth a price reduction? Depends on you...

Also some might say Ford's arent reliable because they owned a 1990 Taurus or Escort that sucked balls but this years JDpower IQS study shows about 40 less problems per 100 vehicles then Mazda did. The thing about the Focus this generation is it's kinda a wash out. The looks aren't as edgy as when they first came out, the choices of body styles aren't their, and even the choices of engines aren't either. They are rumoring in 2011 that the Euro focus comes to America which could be a game changer and for me worth the wait...

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200801/2008-ford-focus-european-_460x0w.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/content/images/2/0/2010_ford_focus_rs_main630-1209.jpg

[TimJim]

i like the focus svt alot. i would prob get that over a mustang

[Crapdragoon]

went car shopping today. it's between the 09 civic and 10 mazda3. also slightly considering nissan sentra or ford focus.

i can get the mazda 3 for 17K. 09 civic for 18K. If I wait until mid july the civic will go down a couple thousand though.

tough decision


is the mazda a hatch or the sedan?

is the honda coupe or a sedan?

So out the door for both will be around 20k range

[beso negro]

mazda 3 sedan and 2 dr civic im not sure of the difference between a coupe and a sedan

and no i already got pricing i know exactly the cost for the mazda 3. the 09 civic is about to go on clearance so it will go from 18k right now to 17k or less.

[TimJim]

a coupe is a two door and a hatchback is usually a two-four door with a hatch door on the back

[Understanding In a Crash]

mazda 3 sedan and 2 dr civic im not sure of the difference between a coupe and a sedan

and no i already got pricing i know exactly the cost for the mazda 3. the 09 civic is about to go on clearance so it will go from 18k right now to 17k or less.
Still don't know if the 3 is the 2.0 or the 2.5L engine... Assuming that it is the 2.0L engine I'd have to bank it in with the Civic for a thousand less. Another breaking point is how many people are gonna be in the car. From experience if your going to have friends who are going to be in the car often your going to want the 4 drs. Why? Because everytime anyone has to get in the back your going to have to get out and constantly rearrange your seat position. Other then that on a performance and fuel economy level it's tough to beat Honda's 1.8 vtec in it's class.

[guitarded_chuck]

Go with the Civic. Fun to drive, great quality, great service, and like was said you can't beat the fuel economy and performance of the ivtec engine.

In my opinion the coupe's are nicer looking, but the sedan's are good too, just a matter of preference and if you care about having 4 doors or not.

[ThePatient]

Well, I never thought I'd be doing it, but I may be getting rid of my truck. If I can get an even trade on an '06 Silverado Z71 I'm gonna do it. I love that truck more than anything I own, and its the funnest drive I've ever experienced, but its just not the right time for me to have something like that.

Between paying 50 cents extra per gallon, at 15 mpg, the payment on it, and the insurance on it, its just too much on top of my house payment, and driving it 65 miles a day. :(

[Understanding In a Crash]

Well, I never thought I'd be doing it, but I may be getting rid of my truck. If I can get an even trade on an '06 Silverado Z71 I'm gonna do it. I love that truck more than anything I own, and its the funnest drive I've ever experienced, but its just not the right time for me to have something like that.

Between paying 50 cents extra per gallon, at 15 mpg, the payment on it, and the insurance on it, its just too much on top of my house payment, and driving it 65 miles a day. :(
I'm sad I'm not going to lie but I've always wanted a pickup truck but this is prob the worst time for one. I do alot of outdoors activities + beach things so the bed for tailgating and hauling would be useful but aside from that the 14/18 mpg wouldn't work for me.

I really wanted a v6 Ranger or Tacoma for the longest time nothing bigger then that with a king cab... I don't believe in pickups having crew cabs. I guess some other life...

[ThePatient]

That's another part of it. I want to cut grass as a side job, and do some landscaping, and a Lightning is not at all conducive to that. It can tow a lot, but no hauling.

Its funny, I'm not entirely thinking about doing this "for me". I'm in a sense thinking about the truck like a person. I feel bad driving it everyday to work, putting all these miles on it. Its like I'm abusing a puppy. :(

[beso negro]

ok im going with the 09 civic ex it's more than the lx which is what i originally wanted so it's about 20K. Hopefully clearance will bring that down to 18K.

a friend finally convinced me that the 2010 mazda 3's face was a deal killer

[Understanding In a Crash]

ok im going with the 09 civic ex it's more than the lx which is what i originally wanted so it's about 20K. Hopefully clearance will bring that down to 18K.

a friend finally convinced me that the 2010 mazda 3's face was a deal killer
Congrats.. the EX for an extra 1.5k is worth it in my eyes for atleast a spirited driver. 4 wheel disc brakes vs 2 front wheel disc and 2 rear wheel drums will make a noticeable difference. Saying the '10's 3's face is a deal killer is eh though. Theres enough positive appearance factors going into it that makes me forgive the smiley doofy front fascia. Also technologically the 3 is going into uncharted territory.

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/mazda_mania/2010_mazda_3_s_grand_touring_road_test/2010_mazda_3_s_grand_touring/maz3_s_grandtour_10_30/2004066-1-eng-US/maz3_s_grandtour_10_30_gallery_image_large.jpg

That's another part of it. I want to cut grass as a side job, and do some landscaping, and a Lightning is not at all conducive to that. It can tow a lot, but no hauling.
Yeah for a truck so powerful and sporty the payload cap is 800lbs I heard. That's pretty pityful for being a full size truck and I also don't get the side bed step up's when it's basically useless for medium-heavy duty. The problem with pickups for me is I don't see a real change in fuel economy between v6 compacts and fullsize v8's to be a true advantage. Give or take a 2-3 mpg is just not enough and 4 cylinder pick up's are basically useless for anything but light duty.

[beso negro]

Saying the '10's 3's face is a deal killer is eh though. Theres enough positive appearance factors going into it that makes me forgive the smiley doofy front fascia.

yea don't get me wrong the car is beautiful from all other angles

Also technologically the 3 is going into uncharted territory.

what do you mean by this

[Understanding In a Crash]

what do you mean by this
Well it's started the trend back with the original to do a compact that offers one eco engine and another "midsize" engine. Mitsubishi Lancer, Kia Forte, Toyota Corolla, and some others now follow suit. Technology wise: Automatic Climate Control, Push Button Start, Memory Driver Seat Configs, Xenon Headlamps, DCS, TCS... I know alot of cars have some of these luxurys but the 3 makes it all possible and it's ranked as a compact car. :thumb:

If it came in a coupe + had the hatchback it'd prob sweep the market by storm.

[ThePatient]

Yeah for a truck so powerful and sporty the payload cap is 800lbs I heard. That's pretty pityful for being a full size truck and I also don't get the side bed step up's when it's basically useless for medium-heavy duty. The problem with pickups for me is I don't see a real change in fuel economy between v6 compacts and fullsize v8's to be a true advantage. Give or take a 2-3 mpg is just not enough and 4 cylinder pick up's are basically useless for anything but light duty.

Its something like that, but I don't think its quite that low. It can tow a lot though because of its power, one day I'll have a boat behind it...

I'm not getting rid of it though. A buddy of mine is selling his '04 Grand Am with 60k to me for $5,500. Its not a truck like I really wanted, but it'll cut out all the miles I'm putting on the truck, which is what I really care about. I felt like I betrayed my Lightning with these talks of getting rid of it, so I took it out for a drive tonight. When I did a rolling-100 to the floor and it sent me back into my seat, I felt foolish for ever thinking about getting rid of it. :)

[Understanding In a Crash]

Its something like that, but I don't think its quite that low. It can tow a lot though because of its power, one day I'll have a boat behind it...

I'm not getting rid of it though. A buddy of mine is selling his '04 Grand Am with 60k to me for $5,500. Its not a truck like I really wanted, but it'll cut out all the miles I'm putting on the truck, which is what I really care about. I felt like I betrayed my Lightning with these talks of getting rid of it, so I took it out for a drive tonight. When I did a rolling-100 to the floor and it sent me back into my seat, I felt foolish for ever thinking about getting rid of it. :)
Those cars are pretty awful in reliablity and fit n finish. My current gf had that as her first car and it was the biggest POS ever... and she had the GT coupe '03. That was when I stopped liking GM vehicles... dashboard controls looks like it was made out of legos, electrical problems, and overall things were flimsy to touch.

[ThePatient]

As long as it starts everyday, I don't care. If I found a 1992 Toyota Tercel that started everyday, I'd drive it. Unfortunately you don't find too many guarantees at $5,500. This is as close as I'm gonna get.

[Jawaharal]

Anybody know anything about subs?

Right now I'm looking at getting either 4 12-inch Memphis subs or one Kicker L5 15". The Kicker is brand new and looks nice as hell, but I'm sure 4 12's would hit hard as hell.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Anybody know anything about subs?

Right now I'm looking at getting either 4 12-inch Memphis subs or one Kicker L5 15". The Kicker is brand new and looks nice as hell, but I'm sure 4 12's would hit hard as hell.
lol? What type of car do you have that you can handle 4 12 inch subs? Anything 3+ no matter what the size = overkill IMO. Anything 3+ will get quite pricey as well. More expensive enclosure, possible multiple amp sources, and just more sub woofer speakers in general. I have two 10's in a sealed plexi box and it sounds decent, gets loud, but won't allow blood to pour out of my ears. Rattles the rear view mirror noticeabley.

[Jawaharal]

lol? What type of car do you have that you can handle 4 12 inch subs? Anything 3+ no matter what the size = overkill IMO. Anything 3+ will get quite pricey as well. More expensive enclosure, possible multiple amp sources, and just more sub woofer speakers in general. I have two 10's in a sealed plexi box and it sounds decent, gets loud, but won't allow blood to pour out of my ears. Rattles the rear view mirror noticeabley.

craigslist = cheap

$300 for 4 Memphis subs and the box is really good. I'm thinking about getting them just to experiment if my car could handle it. If they can't, I'll just sell the other 2 for more than I got them.

btw I drive an xterra, so as much as I want to blast 4 12s, I seriously doubt my car could handle it.

The 15", on the other hand is cheap as **** and in good condition.

[ThePatient]

I have a single, tube-style sub in my truck behind the seats. Since its a single cab its actually unbearable if I turn the bass over even just medium. Generally, I actually have the bass turned all the way down, and it still shakes everything at even a moderate volume.

I just washed my truck, its makes me happy. :)

[Understanding In a Crash]

craigslist = cheap

$300 for 4 Memphis subs and the box is really good. I'm thinking about getting them just to experiment if my car could handle it. If they can't, I'll just sell the other 2 for more than I got them.

btw I drive an xterra, so as much as I want to blast 4 12s, I seriously doubt my car could handle it.

The 15", on the other hand is cheap as **** and in good condition.
Well I figured if you were considering a 3+ speaker deal you've had to have an SUV. It's really up to you but if your really going to be blasting your bass + low end stuff then it's going to make mostly any speaker quality inside the cabin disappear. Your subs are only going to sound as good as your amplifer I recommend doing research on the RMS and peak handling and see what other people use with the same speakers.

The Kicker 15'' Solobaric design is also something I've always wanted but couldn't fit with the true ported enclosure.

[TerranYouApart]

As long as it starts everyday, I don't care. If I found a 1992 Toyota Tercel that started everyday, I'd drive it. Unfortunately you don't find too many guarantees at $5,500. This is as close as I'm gonna get.

you can find a lot better than that. (if you're in the usa)

[TimJim]

i agree 100%

[TerranYouApart]

i agree 100%

you also think stage 2 means anything, that you can turbocharge a car for 400 dollars, and that you can turbocharge a car with no overheard for the engine internals, suspension, drivetrain, chassis and brakes.

[TimJim]

you also think stage 2 means anything, that you can turbocharge a car for 400 dollars, and that you can turbocharge a car with no overheard for the engine internals, suspension, drivetrain, chassis and brakes.
you dumbass the cobalt ss comes with a stock turbo

[Understanding In a Crash]

On a random note... I'm sure someone is bound to read this who's had a 90's Jeep.

Why did Chrysler ever do away with the 4.0 Inline 6? That motor was quite a work horse. I feel like they should stop focusing so much time on different variants of the "hemi" and just make a damn good 4 banger already. The 3.5 high output v6 paired with the 6 speed auto is prob their best motor of recent times.

[beso negro]

finally got my 09 civic ex today. it's black on grey. very pretty.

got it for 18K , 19K after taxes :(

:)

[TerranYouApart]

finally got my 09 civic ex today. it's black on grey. very pretty.

got it for 18K , 19K after taxes :(

:)

i got my 06 civic ex used with 9k miles for 15k out the door.

awesome car.

2 door or 4 door? auto or stick?

badass stereo for sure, huh?

[beso negro]

i got 2 door and 5 speed manual transmission

350 watt audio system with 7 speakers plus a subwoofer

[ThePatient]

I got my '04 Grand Am for $5,500 today. Now I gotta try to play the MVA (Motor Vehicle Administration) tomorrow morning. It'll surely be a match of wits and cunning. That I am surely to lose...

[TimJim]

why do you have to play them?

[ThePatient]

Because I will be driving the car there, turning in my buddy's tags that he had on the car, and then rather than already having it inspected, I will be asking for a 30 day grace period to get it inspected and getting a temporary registration.

[TimJim]

why do they have to inspect it?

here you just show up with the tags and buy everything... no strings attached

[ThePatient]

Because any time a vehicle changes hands it has to be inspected. Unless its been inspected in the last 90 days. Its another bullshit racket that Maryland does, much like the emissions program. AAARGH I HATE THIS STATE. It shames me to admit that I'm a government employee...

[TimJim]

ugh we dont have any emmisions programmes or any of that kinda bullshit

actually michigan is a great place to get a car

[ThePatient]

Let me explain to you the VEIP (Vehicle Emissions Inspection Program): You drive your car onto little rollers, they hook your car up to a "computer" (I'm guessing its just a case with little buttons and knobs that light up like the old Batman tv show), you get out of your nice clean car, some dirty grease monkey gets in it and gives it gas (wasting your expensive gas), then he's done after 10 seconds, you give him $14.00 and a polite thank you for not cumming in your hair after he and our illustrious Governor O'Malley get done having their way with you.

[TimJim]

yep

but MI doesnt have jobs, so there is kinda a trade off

the only hard part about doing anything at the sec. of state (our dmv) is waiting in the ridiculous lines

[ThePatient]

Oh I'll be fighting those too. Can't wait. And if they tell me I can't have the temporary registration I'll be ****ed.

[beso negro]

Let me explain to you the VEIP (Vehicle Emissions Inspection Program): You drive your car onto little rollers, they hook your car up to a "computer" (I'm guessing its just a case with little buttons and knobs that light up like the old Batman tv show), you get out of your nice clean car, some dirty grease monkey gets in it and gives it gas (wasting your expensive gas), then he's done after 10 seconds, you give him $14.00 and a polite thank you for not cumming in your hair after he and our illustrious Governor O'Malley get done having their way with you.

lol it's true

[ThePatient]

Yeah, I went to the MVA this morning. On a Saturday morning, when 90% of the country's population has off to do all of their errands, the only services the MVA provides are driver's license certifications and renewals. WHAT THE HELL? So what they're telling me, is that if you're some poor shmoe who works Monday-Friday and you can't make it to the MVA during the week, you're going to have to take a day off of work to come in during the week to get a vehicle you purchase through a private transaction registered and the title swapped? Brilliant idea Maryland.

And the kicker to that story, is I waited in line 45 minutes for some woman to tell me this. Thankfully, my cushy government job rotates my schedule every two weeks, so I can get this taken care of. I'm sure glad I don't have a regular job, otherwise this car would be sitting in front of my house untagged for weeks...

Anyway, I recorded this today. I've been driving the **** out of my truck here recently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1qeWBe3O_g

[Crapdragoon]

man dont complain, california has the strictest smog emission regulations.

[ThePatient]

man dont complain, california has the strictest smog emission regulations.

Yeah they do, I'll give you that. When I bought my Cobalt that I had for all of 6 months they accidentally had sent one that was set-up for CA emissions out here. It made the check engine light stay on. :confused:

[TerranYouApart]

beso, the subwoofer counts as one of the speakers. ;)

We have the same exact car. it's slow, but it's awesome.

[Understanding In a Crash]

man dont complain, california has the strictest smog emission regulations.]
It's true... companies need to modify their engines often to fit the pzev and emission codes to just that one state. If you ask me it's ridiculous and cocky because I doubt California is more polluted than NY or NJ...

[TimJim]

hells yes my parents decided to help me out with paying for my car by giving me a **** old car to turn in for the government voucher thing

my $25,000 car just went to way cheaper with that and my dad's employee discounts +elite coupons

ill probs start shopping soon and get it by august or september

[Crapdragoon]

]
It's true... companies need to modify their engines often to fit the pzev and emission codes to just that one state. If you ask me it's ridiculous and cocky because I doubt California is more polluted than NY or NJ...


i dunno dude i drive up to big bear and when i look down at the valley i cant see ****.

[Understanding In a Crash]

i dunno dude i drive up to big bear and when i look down at the valley i cant see ****.
Yeah I hear it's bad but I've never been to the west coast... I know most people who "visit" NY think it's the dirtiest **** ever. I've prob come to embrace it... Plus Jersey is notorious for being a dirty ****er. I mean they still drinking dirty water and getting SICK Lol.

[Zakath]

water that comes from NY amirite lol

Anyway just got the car tinted 5% and the paint was already getting beat to **** so I got paint protection on all the leading edges. Also installed Rally Armor Mud Flaps a couple weeks ago. I've barely put any miles on her.. supposedly you can get 23mpg but I've never seen over 19 with 93 octane = the suck. My street bike takes 87 and gets like 40mpg lol.. but once I start my new job I'll be driving the car daily.

Couple semi large pics.. prob won't be this clean again :(
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3890/sti2.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/866/st1bai.jpg

[TimJim]

fapfapfapfap

[Kickflip_Burrito]

I guess this is mostly for the UK mxers but is anyone a huge fan of Top Gear?
It is shown on BBC International and BBC Canada.

They had the new Ford Focus RS against the new Renault Megane R26. Anyone familiar with them? It caused a division of opinion between myself and my friends so just looking to see what others' opinions are?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9VQov9llds <-- Focus vs Megane clip

[TimJim]

i used to watch it all the time

then i discovered the speed channel

[Zakath]

speed channel really sucks

very little quality programming

[TimJim]

very true


i just finished watching an hour and a half of it and i was just about to say that haha

[beso negro]

water that comes from NY amirite lol

Anyway just got the car tinted 5% and the paint was already getting beat to **** so I got paint protection on all the leading edges. Also installed Rally Armor Mud Flaps a couple weeks ago. I've barely put any miles on her.. supposedly you can get 23mpg but I've never seen over 19 with 93 octane = the suck. My street bike takes 87 and gets like 40mpg lol.. but once I start my new job I'll be driving the car daily.

Couple semi large pics.. prob won't be this clean again :(
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3890/sti2.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/866/st1bai.jpg

isn't front side window tinting illegally in new jersey? another reason the state sucks.

my new car:

http://i31.tinypic.com/157m8lv.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/21461j8.jpg

plan on getting it tinted this weekend. legal tint though which is 35% here.

[Zakath]

Yep, no tint allowed. I've seen quite a few cars around recently with NJ plates and front window tint though so I figured I'd give it a shot. If I get hassled a lot I might take it off, but I'll prob just pay the tickets cause it's pretty sweet. I considered getting front windshield 50% too but I didn't want to push it, and with the side mirrors tinted it looks darker anyway. And I'm not sure if the ez-pass and V-1 would work with that.

nice car.. get 5% and some black or gunmetal rims

[TimJim]

in michigan you can have at most 50%'s, but if you go past that its a $150 ticket

and in michigan when you get a ticket the state charges you on top of what ever the city charged you

so if i get a $150 ticket in Detroit then i have to pay detroit $150 and then the state $150

great use of $300 :(
gayyyyy

[Zakath]

ouch

from what I've heard it's $108 in NJ... I guess I'll probably find out at some point

the tint makes me feel like i should be rollin dirty though.. :amaze:

[Crapdragoon]

ive got 5% all around (cept front i think thats lame) on my cars, and ive gotten pulled over a couple of times for it, but the resource officer at my work just signs em off for me =]

[Understanding In a Crash]

You need to know someone if your going with illegal tints unless you got hundreds of dollars to throw around about 3-5 times a month...

Everyone thinks they can get away with it but once they get them it's pretty hell on earth especially if your driving a sports car. My GF who had a Grand Am GT had about 5% all the way around and would get fined about $150 every 3 months... She could be doing speed limits and such but they will PULL you over just for the tints in NY fo SURE.

[TerranYouApart]

my car has 0%. here in texas it sucks. but whatever at least it's white.

[ThePatient]

She could be doing speed limits and such but they will PULL you over just for the tints in NY fo SURE.

Its done that way because its easy.

I filled up my car yesterday for just $31.00, from dead empty. Gasoline prices aren't really that bad after I've been paying Premium prices for a year.

[TimJim]

gas here is $2.13

what about for you guys?

[Zakath]

Well I've driven it like... twice since tinting... so far no problems. :lol:

Regular is $2.37 here.. not sure about 93. I live in blissful ignorance.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Surburban NY is $2.55 for 87 octane. It only just started to go down...

The fact that it's going down so early and never even peaked to $3 is making me want to taste a v6 engine.

[TimJim]

dude v6's are ace
my bonneville is a 3.7 V6 and it runs great

though its an '88 with 170hp and 86K miles

[mistersnitch]

i have a used silver '01 civic

i have done nothing to improve it.
i know nothing about cars.

[Understanding In a Crash]

It's really silly because I'm the type of person who only wants a v6 for the sound of the exhaust really. If I got one it'd probably be the 3.9L out of the new gen impala's or the 3.5 HO Dodge engine. I don't believe in anything v6 or inline 6 that's under 3 liters unless it's from BMW.

[TerranYouApart]

v8's have the best sound

[Understanding In a Crash]

v8's have the best sound
Going on the behalf of realism here... I've never heard of any modern day v8 (or past for that matter) which has gotten better than 25 mpg highway :thumb:

Atleast with some domestic v6's I can roll 18 city/27 highway which is atleast liveable + 87 octane. The other thing that's contributing to my decision besides gas is the growing need of use of 2 seats in the back. I'm not feeling the need to be the fastest to 60 but I always enjoyed the sounds of the 3800's and such.
http://www.davis-moore.com/imagessub/2008%20Chevy%20Impala%20Circle.jpg

[TimJim]

okay so this is my car with the new rims
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/timmyjimmy1/Randomness%20of%20the%20timmyjimmy/0725092033.jpg

and this is my car with my old rims
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/timmyjimmy1/SDC10442-1.jpg

i would have gotten better rims but all four were just $25
and i'm poor

[Understanding In a Crash]

Looks alot cleaner with the new rims and in the sunlight LOL. Those door handles look too funny though man.

The rubber gasket holding my windshield washer fluid to the pump has a hole in it and it can't hold anything without leaking... I have no idea how I can replace this one part because I already tried sealant and lubrication and it still leaks through. Junk yaard tomm..

[TerranYouApart]

i don't care about mpg when i say that v8's have the best sound.

hearing a supercharged cobra with straight pipes take off with the pedal on the floor is the best sound an engine can make. or a healthy ss camaro from back in the day.

[beso negro]

nice car.. get 5% and some black or gunmetal rims

i don't think black rims look good on a black car. they don't stand out. and im not a fan of gun metal. im looking for nice chrome or silver rims to put on it.

edit:
somthing like this:
http://custom-wheels-car-rims.phatkars.com/images/AKITA%20%20AK-6%20%20500.jpg

what do you think

[Zakath]

i don't think black rims look good on a black car. they don't stand out. and im not a fan of gun metal. im looking for nice chrome or silver rims to put on it.

edit:
somthing like this:
http://custom-wheels-car-rims.phatkars.com/images/AKITA%20%20AK-6%20%20500.jpg

what do you thinkThose are definitely sweet if you want that color. I prefer the full black murdered out look though but that's just me :thumb:

[Understanding In a Crash]

Haha I love how Zakath wants to be as much of a cop magenet/shady as person... Never caught onto the smoking taillights thing (don't you want people to see your brake lights?). Definitely not into the black car/black rims thing. I think gold rims on a subaru are classy as hell :thumb: no matter what color the car is.

My friend's WRX STI has the license plate "Evo Whoo?

[TerranYouApart]

i think putting "rims" on a honda civic is stupid. at least wait until your warranty expires so they can't dick you around. (i have the stock 5 spoke wheels on mine i think they look great)

[Zakath]

Haha I love how Zakath wants to be as much of a cop magenet/shady as person... Never caught onto the smoking taillights thing (don't you want people to see your brake lights?). Definitely not into the black car/black rims thing. I think gold rims on a subaru are classy as hell :thumb: no matter what color the car is.

My friend's WRX STI has the license plate "Evo Whoo?LOL it's not my fault they profile me... :lol: I'm not worried about getting tickets related to my vehicles appearance. I'm too busy trying to avoid speeding tickets.. my record kind of sucks. two tickets over 100mph, reckless, license suspension, etc etc

I would never smoke my tail lights though, the tint guys asked if I wanted my headlights done too I just gave him a WTF look and said no.

[Understanding In a Crash]

I would never smoke my tail lights though, the tint guys asked if I wanted my headlights done too I just gave him a WTF look and said no.
It looks pretty good on some vehicles but it's such a stupid style over substance equation. Your brakelights and headlights are meant to be seen from afar... so why would you want to compromise that? Some people will say that theres still a good amount of light that comes out but still... it's gotta be principles besides the fact that it looks retarded on most cars.

[Zakath]

hmmm, I wonder what the law is in NJ about smoked taillights/headlights. If it's illegal, maybe I will get it done. :amaze: :lol:

[Crapdragoon]

I think that shits lame

[TimJim]

i don't think black rims look good on a black car. they don't stand out. and im not a fan of gun metal. im looking for nice chrome or silver rims to put on it.

edit:
somthing like this:
http://custom-wheels-car-rims.phatkars.com/images/AKITA%20%20AK-6%20%20500.jpg

what do you thinkthose are ace mate
how much?

hmmm, I wonder what the law is in NJ about smoked taillights/headlights. If it's illegal, maybe I will get it done. :amaze: :lol:meh
my friend did it to his G5 GT and i thought it was kinda meh

[Understanding In a Crash]

I've seen it look good on 350z's and such but other then that it just looks stupid. Then again I might be biased because I hate the chromed out altezza taillights too...

About new cars and warranties and doing aftermarket things... my advice is hold out. It might be hard but if you do any type of engine mods or appearance it's an uphill battle to win any type of warranties. Mostly have 3-5 years you can go crazy and crap your car out. It's for the best believe me because alot of new cars have problems within the first 10,000 miles in "getting out the kinks"... You really want those not to cost anything.

[ThePatient]

I don't like the smoked out look at all, and in Maryland your tail lights have to be red so that's illegal anyway. I do like the headlights/tailights with the black/dark gray backgrounds. In the next couple months I'm going to get 5% or so on my windows, then buy the Angel Eye style headlights with the dark back ground to them.

I've only ever seen one black Ford logo, and I'm desperate to find two to put on my truck in place of the regular blues...

So yeah, I'm obviously going for the black-on-dark gray look. Once I get the lights and windows done, I'll put the lowered suspension on it and I will be one happy guy. :)

[TimJim]

I've seen it look good on 350z's and such but other then that it just looks stupid. Then again I might be biased because I hate the chromed out altezza taillights too...

About new cars and warranties and doing aftermarket things... my advice is hold out. It might be hard but if you do any type of engine mods or appearance it's an uphill battle to win any type of warranties. Mostly have 3-5 years you can go crazy and crap your car out. It's for the best believe me because alot of new cars have problems within the first 10,000 miles in "getting out the kinks"... You really want those not to cost anything.yeah the first thing that i want to do is put a catback on my cobalt

but i think if i use the gm performance catalouge you can get around it

[Understanding In a Crash]

yeah the first thing that i want to do is put a catback on my cobalt

but i think if i use the gm performance catalouge you can get around it
Don't be fooled by the same parts and car = okaying the warranty. For example my friend bought a new Scion TC in '08 and wanted to add the TRD supercharger accessory from the dealership and they stated directly that it'd void any powertrain warranties doing so even though it was dealership installed. They really are hard asses when it comes to any type of performance mods that can potentially hurt effect their warranty.

[Crapdragoon]

they lied to him, if it is installed by the dealer the TRD part is warrentied and the car has its warrenty intact.

[Understanding In a Crash]

they lied to him, if it is installed by the dealer the TRD part is warrentied and the car has its warrenty intact.
I'm gonna need a source... because I'm reading right now on the Scion website that "some accessories will void certain warranties"

[Crapdragoon]

geh im not gonna look for it i read it in a copy of DSPORT like a year ago w/e

[TerranYouApart]

why you would bother making an economy car "fast" is beyond me. rwd or 35 mpg, pick one.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

On that last note, I just bought an SRT4. It's got an Injen cold air intake, Apex turbo timer and Apex AVC-R boost controller. 0-60 in 5.6 seconds. And 26 mpg. Fast economy car.

[Understanding In a Crash]

why you would bother making an economy car "fast" is beyond me. rwd or 35 mpg, pick one.
How about Hyundai Genesis coupe... RWD and 30 mpg? :thumb:

No but seriously I have such a fancy for Subaru's that it's starting to seem homosexual.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Oh and also, why would you equate RWD with being fast? Might be more true equating FWD with performance but it's still a bad assumption.

[TerranYouApart]

Oh and also, why would you equate RWD with being fast? Might be more true equating FWD with performance but it's still a bad assumption.

why would you want a fast fwd car? fwd isn't even fun to drive fast unless you're on a first gear autox course or something. i equate rwd with fun to drive, it is fwd because it is more efficient.

i equate fun to drive with fast. i equate front wheel drive to efficiency, as fwd is not nearly as fun to drive. don't get mad because you're dodge neon with a transmission that will have to be rebuilt at 65,000 miles is fwd. it would get smoked on any twisty track by a rwd car with less power.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Okay I'll stick to mopping vettes on the freeway then.

[JohnXDoe]

looky this :D

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=10&article_id=8242&cid=145

[Zakath]

Okay I'll stick to mopping vettes on the freeway then.Sure, just next time make sure to inform the driver you're racing them.

[TerranYouApart]

so what do you drive?
"a neon, but it's fast"
...:lol:

[Crapdragoon]

dont be so sure of yourself guys the srt4s can be very deceptive vehicles.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

so what do you drive?
"a neon, but it's fast"
...:lol:

Don't think you're so original. Think about it for a sec. Zakath drives an Impreza. But it's probably fast. Evos are Lancers, but guess what? They're pretty fast too. Neons, Imprezas, and Lancers are all shitbox rental cars in their regular form, but they can get up and go.

And just so you know where I'm coming from, I spent 2 months getting a feel for what I wanted. I test drove around 5 WRX's, (you know, those fast Imprezas) a couple 350Z's, an Evo, and a few other things. The WRX I was set on buying got sold the day before I went to pick it up, so here I was 3 hours away from home with my checkbook and no car in mind. SRT4's were never even on my radar during my 2 months search, but there was one at the dealership down the road from the one that snubbed me so I went there and that's where I found my car. I had nothing to lose, so I took it for a spin and fell in love. It was hands down the funnest thing I drove in my search. So go ahead and laugh because I would have said the same thing as you last week, but not now.

And Zakath, thanks for the heads up. If a dude has a Corvette though, he should be ready at all times. :p

[TerranYouApart]

it's still a chrysler (and a neon)

and i never said it was slow. i know they're fast. but why would you make a dodge neon fast it just escapes me.

[Crapdragoon]

using a 4g63t (evo block) thats been upped in displacement.

[TerranYouApart]

i'm a nissan fanboy.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Welp, the last Chrysler my family owned went 9 years, 140k with less than $1.5k in maintenence (tires, oil, air/fuel/oil filters, and other routine things) the whole time so I fail to see what your are getting at. Granted, my mom drove it and she drives like a mom but she had to drive on about 4 miles of gravel road every day. Let's see your Honda survive that.

[Zakath]

Don't think you're so original.
Don't think you're so original either. Read this thread for major lols.

http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=220829&highlight=neon

[TerranYouApart]

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/5234-1986-Chevrolet-Chevette.jpg

sweeeeeet......

people bragging about how fast their srt4 is reminds me of this

http://www.yellow-civic.com/sitebuilder/images/Picture_055-561x416.jpg

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

not a big import fan here. even if he gets 500 out of 4cyls, id say thats comparable to an 8 with 1k. and, he can drive his to get milk, buy weed, or whatever.

Well said. I'd still take four digit dyno runs though.

[Understanding In a Crash]

it's still a chrysler (and a neon)

and i never said it was slow. i know they're fast. but why would you make a dodge neon fast it just escapes me.
The same reason why they decided to make a Mazda 3 or Mitsubishi Lancer fast. I know people love to hate on American vehicles for shoddy reliability and quality but their was a time where domestic companies made the best and most reliable cars on American roads... It might be awhile ago but they are getting better.

On contrast though; Dodge Neon might be a **** box but I've seen the srt4 run with WRX's and they are def faster than SI's.

[TerranYouApart]

i like how the guy claims to have 500 horsepower but he's running skinnier tires than the wheels like it's a drift car or something :lol:

awd being fast is acceptable. making a "performance" car from a FWD platform is retarded no matter what anyone says it's still retarded.

and quit bringing hondas up i didn't buy a car with 140 hp and fwd to go fast (duh?)

[Understanding In a Crash]

i like how the guy claims to have 500 horsepower but he's running skinnier tires than the wheels like it's a drift car or something :lol:

awd being fast is acceptable. making a "performance" car from a FWD platform is retarded no matter what anyone says it's still retarded.
I agree with the second statement here. Yet I truely believe that cars like the Cobalt SS and Honda Civic SI are boy racer cars more than anything. We all know any love the EVO's and the STi's and for me they are in a different league. Finding an affordable RWD sportscar is hard to come by if it isn't named Ford Mustang or Hyundai Genesis now.

I just don't have 30k+ to drop..

[TerranYouApart]

um buy an old 240sx, rx7, 350z, hell even a mustang if you don't care about being able to turn and put some love into it.

save the fwd for your daily driver.

[Understanding In a Crash]

um buy an old 240sx, rx7, 350z, hell even a mustang if you don't care about being able to turn and put some love into it.

save the fwd for your daily driver.
I would love a 240sx... How would I go about finding one that isn't beaten on and over 100,000 miles lol. Rx7 i'm not a fan of rotary at all. I really miss the old Nissan's and mazda's though.

[TerranYouApart]

i've owned 2 240sx's. they had 120 and 150k on them but they both ran like horses. sometimes i regret selling the last one, but i do like having a radio now. :p

put an LS1 in a 240 man. there are kits to do it, and believe it or not the LS1 weighs less than the stock KA in a 240 and puts f/r distribution at about 50/50 exactly, with 350 crank horsepower reliably. talk about a fun ride. that's my dream project. XD

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I would have loved to buy a 240sx. They're just too old. Of course you probably think that my ride will crap out before a 240sx with 100k on it. My friend a black one with a S15 front end conversion and he absolutely loves it. It's pretty gorgeous but his engine is mostly stock. He's got some simple bolt ons but it definitely isn't as fast as my car.

He could probably pull more lateral G's than me though.

[TerranYouApart]

lol s15 front end on a non-turbod 240. leave it to you and your rice-boy posse. s15 front ends look like crap unless they're on an s13 or an s15 anyways. (no doubt your friend has an s14 with the conversion, because he wouldn't be your friend otherwise :lol:)

of course a non turbo KA is going to get spanked by your srt4, but can you peg the gas in a corner and kick the rear end out 50 degrees?

didn't think so. XD

[Understanding In a Crash]

i've owned 2 240sx's. they had 120 and 150k on them but they both ran like horses. sometimes i regret selling the last one, but i do like having a radio now. :p

put an LS1 in a 240 man. there are kits to do it, and believe it or not the LS1 weighs less than the stock KA in a 240 and puts f/r distribution at about 50/50 exactly, with 350 crank horsepower reliably. talk about a fun ride. that's my dream project. XD
Haha I saw one today DAMNIT. I wouldn't mind having one and keeping my Corolla as a DD. Everyone I've seen on ebay and the classifieds are 145,000 miles+...

[TerranYouApart]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/zilvia_album/vert_s13_1280.jpg?t=1248994484
http://storesense.megawebservers.com/stores/HS318/catalog/s13oneviav3_full.gif

drooooooool :)

[Understanding In a Crash]

To be honest the look for me that sets it apart is the rear fascia the way the taillamps look and such. I also like the way it looks from the side. The front fascia looks Honda prelude esque. I just really like the rear fascia lol...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Needs more wings and probably nitrous.

But in all seriousness, now I really want to buy a cheapass project S13. Put a couple thousand bucks in it and have something "fun" to drive, you know. I'd like to take my SRT to the local track but I'd rather have something that I didn't feel bad about beating on.

And he had an S13, just for the record.

[TerranYouApart]

on the hatch or the coupe?

http://www.mamsparts.com/images/180Ruban.jpg
http://image.automotive.com/f/featuredvehicles/9229005+pheader/130_0611_08_z+1992_nissan_240sx+rear_drivers_side_ view.jpg

i'm a coupe guy myself, although they are very very rare. (both of mine were hatches)

[Understanding In a Crash]

Coupe personally. I don't think the hatch looks half that bad either. I also love the way the 300zx looked from all angles...

http://www.ssip.net/upload/nissan-300zx-back-3_123.jpg

End of an era after that for me...

[TerranYouApart]

Needs more wings and probably nitrous.

But in all seriousness, now I really want to buy a cheapass project S13. Put a couple thousand bucks in it and have something "fun" to drive, you know. I'd like to take my SRT to the local track but I'd rather have something that I didn't feel bad about beating on.

And he had an S13, just for the record.

just get a set of coilovers, new bushings, rucas (necessary with coils) and some wider wheels with some quality rubber and you have one hell of a fun car to drive. if you want to make it fast you can put an SR20 in it which runs about 3500 for the motor. 205 crank horsepower on 7 lbs of boost which is stock. the motor just drops right in. or if you want to be cool put an LS1 in it. :evil:

[Understanding In a Crash]

Saw one of these today...
http://carpictures.carjunky.com/albums/BMW-98-318Ti-2D-hatchback/back_view_bmw_318.sized.jpg

http://www.bmwism.com/all_bmw/e36_5_bmw_compact_rear_view.jpg

Brought back memories of how BMW used to be edgy lol.

[beso negro]

i wussed out and got 50% tint. so with factory it looks ~40%.

[Understanding In a Crash]

I've always wanted tints just because all young kids got them lol but didn't want to put them on such an old car. I do have a "sun shade tint" for the front windshield and it does a very good job making the sun less irritating without compromising visibility.

It's Aug of '09 now... and I guess I'm going to newscap for someone who retrospects in old threads.

The govt's beloved baby program Cash For Clunkers is suspended after running out of money. I guess no one thought it was really going to be successful (including me).

Ford is beating the recession and have sales up first time in 2 years. The new Fusion, Taurus, and Mustang have been for the majority a success. Focus --> better luck next gen and better be euro version.

Still no AWD sports car between the partnership of Subaru/Toyota as promised years ago...

Most new age Saturn's under the Penske era will be built at extra capacity Nissan factories under most likely Altima (new aura) and Sentra (new Saturn compact) platforms. A crossover sized between the Outlook and Vue can be based on the Nissan Murano.

On a personal note I love the base model Genesis coupe. Finally a RWD, 6 speed, turbo 4 (that runs on 87 octane) that's the price of a v6 mustang. Thank god someone's listening.

[beso negro]

just a question, is there anything stopping someone from buying a beat up pickup truck for $100 just to trade it in for the cash for clunkers rebate? if so **** i should have done that.

[Understanding In a Crash]

just a question, is there anything stopping someone from buying a beat up pickup truck for $100 just to trade it in for the cash for clunkers rebate? if so **** i should have done that.
Yep... It's actually very complicated to qualify for the program.

To be qualify:
- New cars must get at least 22 mpg combined, new light-duty trucks must get at least 18 mpg combined.
- It works only on the purchase or lease of a brand-new vehicle.
- Clunkers eligible for trade in must get 18 mpg or less.
- You must hold a valid legal title to the tradein and must have been the registered owner for atleast two years.
- Domestic and foreign vehicles are eligible for both trade-in and purchase.

Doesn't qualify:
- Vehicles not insured for the past year.
- Vehicles more than 25 years old.
- Vehicles not in driveable condition
- Your new vehicle's purchase price can't exceed 45k.

(source Motortrend)

[ThePatient]

I'm gonna try to drop my truck off tomorrow during work to get the tint done on it. Any suggestions as to the tint % I should get on my Lightning? A buddy told me that he did it real dark on his single cab pick-up and it actually got TOO dark inside. Any thoughts.

And don't worry about the legal limit, it doesn't matter... :)

[TimJim]

so instead of getting a 09 Cobalt SS, i saved $20,000 and bought this little guy for $5,000
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/timmyjimmy1/0731091101.jpg
1.6 litre engine
5-speed trans
103hp :(
2100 lbs
the dealer told me that i could drop a crate 2.4 boosted for cheap, or replace the current 1.6 with a boosted 1.6 and not run the risk of having to get better axles and transmission
but that would still only be 170hp tops
but until i have that kind of money, im gonna get better rims for it and probs get sport springs, and hopefully a non tacky spoiler

thoughts?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

That is the biggest compromise I have ever heard of.

And usually when you buy a car like that, you list the mpg. Since you didn't list the major upside of driving an enclosed moped, I'm guessing buyer's remorse will set in soon.

Nonetheless, from a financial standpoint, a brand new car for $5k is unbeatable.

[TimJim]

That is the biggest compromise I have ever heard of.

And usually when you buy a car like that, you list the mpg. Since you didn't list the major upside of driving an enclosed moped, I'm guessing buyer's remorse will set in soon.

Nonetheless, from a financial standpoint, a brand new car for $5k is unbeatable.
yeah my parents wouldnt cosign on the cobalt ss :(

ps its like 29 city and 38 hwy

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

That's pretty good. I almost expected a little better, but that's still about as good as you'll get without a hybrid.

I assume you got this as part of the cash for clunkers bill. I just read that the average mpg gain on the cars traded versus sold was about a 60% increase. Something like 15 mpg to 24. Nonetheless, it will take 12 years for the fuel efficiency to offset the carbon footprint generated by the manufacturing of the sold vehicles.

Then again, the listed EPA mileage is probably inflated because old cars suck a lot more gas than their brand new EPA equivalent, so that should be taken into account. Twelve years though? Damn.

[TerranYouApart]

the dealer told me that i could drop a crate 2.4 boosted for cheap, or replace the current 1.6 with a boosted 1.6 and not run the risk of having to get better axles and transmission
but that would still only be 170hp tops
but until i have that kind of money, im gonna get better rims for it and probs get sport springs, and hopefully a non tacky spoiler

thoughts?

please for the love of god don't invest a single extra penny than you have to in that car.

there's nothing pimp or cool about a 5k dollar car.

ever

[Crapdragoon]

rofl timjim gg

seriously i had to drive one of those for about a week while my car was in the shop... oh man not only did i feel stupid driving it, but when i was on the freeway it felt so unstable its not even funny.

[TimJim]

please for the love of god don't invest a single extra penny than you have to in that car.

there's nothing pimp or cool about a 5k dollar car.

evergood point

[Understanding In a Crash]

Actually most modern day EPA mileage is realistic unless you drive with a feather foot where you get 2-5 mpg more. MPGomatic.com has proven this but then again I don't know if I could bare driving feather foot in NY.

[DeckerDontPlay]

so instead of getting a 09 Cobalt SS, i saved $20,000 and bought this little guy for $5,000

1.6 litre engine
5-speed trans
103hp :(
2100 lbs
the dealer told me that i could drop a crate 2.4 boosted for cheap, or replace the current 1.6 with a boosted 1.6 and not run the risk of having to get better axles and transmission
but that would still only be 170hp tops
but until i have that kind of money, im gonna get better rims for it and probs get sport springs, and hopefully a non tacky spoiler

thoughts?

I think its a much better buy then a slow *** SS. Its a great daily driver for your future project. If you ever want a project car that is.

I drive a purple scion for my DD. 36MPG eat it whore.

[TerranYouApart]

my civic is supposed to get 38 on the hwy but i never get that kind of mileage. always around 34-35

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Actually most modern day EPA mileage is realistic unless you drive with a feather foot where you get 2-5 mpg more. MPGomatic.com has proven this but then again I don't know if I could bare driving feather foot in NY.

Older cars rarely run as efficiently as they do when they are brand new. Unless, of course, you actually maintain it which isn't that hard.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Older cars rarely run as efficiently as they do when they are brand new. Unless, of course, you actually maintain it which isn't that hard.
If you classify "older car" by a car that has 200,000 miles on it maybe. You're more likely to get robbed of extra mpg's when a car is brand new during it's "breaking in period" of 7k miles. Cruise control is underrated and is the easiest way to save gas mileage but you really need patience and time. The reason why cruise control is so benefiticial though besides the obvious is that it gives in equal throttle inputs (opposed from human pedalling) and is precise in keeping speed and cruising. I use cruise control on 20+ exit trips on the Long Island Expressway late at nite usually when no one's on the road. It's really the only time in NY where I can use it or I'll get flipped off and ran off the road if any other time.

I don't know how many pickup truck owners are on the forums but I have a few questions in thinking about getting one. Some are probably noobish questions but I'm curious especially since option packaging is so complex for trucks.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

My first vehicle was a truck and growing up on a farm, most people I know had trucks. What are you looking at?

[ThePatient]

Trucks are what I enjoy driving most, I can't stand being low to the ground. What do you need help with?

[Understanding In a Crash]

Well for the most part these questions revolve solely around the compact/midsize pickup trucks like the Tacoma's and Ranger's.

1) First off how much is it for a decent camper? Like I'm talking about something that just covers gear up not like those oversized living quarters lol...
http://www.truck-gear-supercenter.com/images/Leer/100R_Tacoma_jpg.jpg

2) Do you guys believe in 4 cylinder pickup trucks? I mean I need something to haul fishing gear, do the every so monthly home depot pickup, and more importantly for light band equipment. I know how to drive a manual shift and would no doubt opt for one unless someone gave me a great reason to not go that route. I won't say never but I'm 99% sure I would never be towing anything and the heaviest the load would ever get is a few speaker cabinets.

3) In previous experience what models should I be looking out (used and new). I'm going to have around 11k-13k (depending) to play with. In doing my own research I seem partial to the last gen and current gen tacoma. It has the type of option packages + reg or extended cab + manual and a 2.7 oversized 4 cylinder engine. I feel like everyone else I have a problem with on paper... The nissan frontier seems to weigh ALOT for a 4cylinder pickup truck. The Ford Ranger might not have enough gruff with the dated 2.3L 4 cylinder and every expert reviewer says to stay away from the Colorado and Canyon. Even though with this being said I think the Colorado and Canyon have attractive cabins and once again a powerful 4 cyl option...

[TerranYouApart]

my buddy had a 4 cylinder manual transmission ranger. i think it had like 95 horsepower or something funny like that. but it worked...

nothing wrong with 4 cylinder light duty trucks, but don't expect much from them. don't tell your buddies you can load the back with landscaping supplies if you're driving over hills. but for toting around <500 lbs of stuff it will do the job. (v6's are more applicable to any pickup truck though)

[Crapdragoon]

what ive come to notice with trucks, is that if you get a 4 cyl you end up using more gas, cause you make em work harder to do the same amount, compared to a v6

my first vehicle was a 86 toyota pickup with a 4 cyl...... i filled it up every other day , cause i was basically flooring it to do 65 on the freeway

a couple of years back a buddy of mine lent me his t100, that had a v6 and i got about 4 days use out of it, did 75 pretty easily and the tank wasnt much bigger maybe 4 gallons more capacity.

[TerranYouApart]

sounds like you drive kind of fast. light trucks are not meant to go fast. they are right lane civilian utility machines.

[Crapdragoon]

?? i drive slow man i do 75 and still get passed up by everyone.

[TerranYouApart]

well if you're going to compare on fuel efficiency you should first drive the vehicle the way it's meant to be driven. you know on small trucks and cars with small engines the circle around 55 mph?

yeah.....

dumb dragoon

[Zakath]

55 mph LOL

have fun doing that in Jersey.. you better be on the right shoulder with your emergency flashers on :lol:

[Crapdragoon]

55 mph LOL

have fun doing that in Jersey.. you better be on the right shoulder with your emergency flashers on :lol:


seriously....

terran have you ever... driven? :p

[Understanding In a Crash]

On most long island parkways you'll need to do atleast 65 to keep up and 75 to 80 (I do) to stay up in the left lane. I'm coming from a 1.8 120hp Corolla so I'm not expecting blistering speed or 0-60 times under 9 seconds. As long as a manual 4 cylinder doesn't take over 10.5 seconds I should be in the clear from getting run off the road/killed.

Mind you guys I don't object to the v6 but I don't really know one that's small enough to be really fuel efficient. It seems like as soon as they jump they JUMP as high as they can. The 3.0 vulcan in the Ford Ranger is 155 hp... most 4 cylinders have more torque and hp in the class.

Also does this mean no one has ever bought a camper? :thumb:

[TerranYouApart]

i guess people drive faster there than they do in texas. we have the occasional asshole who passes on the right swerving in and out doing 90 mph but normally 60 mph is cruise speed...

you're fuel mileage seriously declines after 60 mph. if you want to race, go to a track?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

The first vehicle I owned was a T100. It was pretty good on gas and it had a four banger. I hauled quite a bit of farm equipment, stuff like tractor parts, engines and components, oversized tires etc and I never felt like I was short on power. It doesn't sound like you'll be doing anything more than what I did so you should be alright getting a 4 cylinder Tacoma.

[Understanding In a Crash]

i guess people drive faster there than they do in texas. we have the occasional spatula who passes on the right swerving in and out doing 90 mph but normally 60 mph is cruise speed...

you're fuel mileage seriously declines after 60 mph. if you want to race, go to a track?
Well NY is pretty notorious for high speed drivers that do 10-15 mph over the speed limit. The thing is alot of NY freeways speed limit are 65 and minimum speed limit (yes we have those) is 50 (and yes we have people do the minimum too). If I'm in no rush I'll keep it real to a 65-70 mph but I'll be passed constantly usually. If the highway is really busy and I'm merging from a ramp I'll usually need to FLOOR it in the 4 cylinder 1.8 to allow room to get me in. Passing power in a Corolla is non existant in any situation so I don't usually pass unless there is an occurence of someone going 10 mph under the speed limit. Other than that I'd fear for my life.

[Zakath]

If I'm riding my street bike my average cruising speed is probably >95. If I'm driving my car then I try and keep it between 80-85 but if there's someone moving quicker then I'll just pace them.

I got better **** to do then pretend I'm out for a sunday drive for ice cream doin 55 down a main highway.if you want to race, go to a track?been there, done that

[Understanding In a Crash]

I got better **** to do then pretend I'm out for a sunday drive for ice cream doin 55 down a main highway.been there, done that
Yeah but I'd rather be safe than sorry :thumb:. I can cut you some slack since you have an STi and those cars I've never seen driven speed limits but then again anything can happen on the road and then you'd prob be wishing you were driving 10 mph slower in your own coffin. Out of the two family cars I drive my Corolla starts to shake pretty good on the freeway at about 90 mph so I stay below that. My dads 95 Ford Taurus wagon starts shaking even worse when it hits 60 mph LOL... And so I wonder how everyone fairs?

I'm surprised everyone and their mom seems to have had a Toyota T100 in their lives.

[Zakath]

ah well I don't really worry about my personal safety

[TimJim]

?? i drive slow man i do 75 and still get passed up by everyone.
i average 90mph on the highway and 55mph on surface streets


ps i got my aveo to 103mph yesterday

[TerranYouApart]

zakath have you ever done the math?

driving 10 miles at 60 mph takes 10 minutes.

driving 10 miles at 80 mph takes 8 minutes and 40 seconds.

but i guess your time is that important :rolleyes:

[Zakath]

zakath have you ever done the math?

driving 10 miles at 60 mph takes 10 minutes.

driving 10 miles at 80 mph takes 8 minutes and 40 seconds.

but i guess your time is that important :rolleyes:or I drive more then 10 miles at a speed greater then 80, ****o

[TerranYouApart]

your state could fit inside the metropolitan area i live in, bitchtits. there's no excuse for endangering other people's lives and wasting gas.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Wasting adrenaline is worse than wasting gas.

I should write scripts for Jason Statham.

ps i got my aveo to 103mph yesterday

I did 110 in my van on gravel once. Exhilarating, kind of.