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Chippy569
05-18-2009, 11:01 AM
Here is the premise. If you hook up a speaker to a microphone input, the speaker magically becomes a dynamic microphone. A speaker uses an electromagnet to move a paper cone forward and back, which moves the air forward and back, which we perceive as sound. Thanks to the magic of electronics, if you move the cone forward and back, it will output that signal as well. So by using the air moving off of the resonant bass drum head, that same air will move the paper cone of my speaker, which I will use to record.

For my speaker of choice, i have a stock Delco 6" speaker out of my car. I used some rubber bands and a fan from a server as the stand since it's just the right height.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk223/Chippy569/Subkick%205-18-09/P5180002.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk223/Chippy569/Subkick%205-18-09/P5180004.jpg

it's very thrown together, I know. Anyway, the speaker did not have + or - terminals marked, so I had to phase-match it with a known speaker. For that I busted out my trusty old Bose POS. I rigged up the wiring to piggy back off of the Bose's, and then touched my "mic" terminals with either end, switching back and forth. When the two speakers are right next to each other and the speakers are in phase, the music will sound very clear and concise. When they are out of phase, it will sound, well, weird and funky and not very loud. When i found the correct phasing i tightened the little butt crimp terminals and enjoyed some music.

Here's the piggy-backing:
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk223/Chippy569/Subkick%205-18-09/P5180010.jpg

When i was happy with the sound I set the whole thing up against the bass reso head. The trick here is to get the speaker as close as possible to reduce the airy loss. To test it, i kept playing my test track through the speaker and moved the speaker around the bass head. Listening to the resonance in the bass head (specifically its volume) found me the strongest spot on the head, so that's where I put the mic. The paper cone itself is about 1 cm away from the head (the metal basket has lips that stick forward by about .5 cm)

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk223/Chippy569/Subkick%205-18-09/P5180013.jpg


Audio will come as soon as I get a new XLR connector for the other end.

oh, for those at home, the + side goes to pin 2 and the - side goes to pin 3 on the XLR connector. Then bridge 1 and 3.

DrumIntoTheNight
05-18-2009, 11:43 AM
I was going to make one of these threads this week haha. I enclosed mine in a 10" snare, 8" cone. 1K resistor across terminals, 10K inline (IIRC) to bring levels down to an acceptable impedence. Balanced jack output to XLR. Pretty cool. I love mine dearly.

Chippy569
05-18-2009, 11:52 AM
how did you balance the signal?

DrumIntoTheNight
05-18-2009, 11:57 AM
+ve to +ve, -ve to -ve, ground to ground?

Chippy569
05-18-2009, 12:15 PM
that's not balanced then... a speaker only has a + and a -. since a speaker only has 2 connections, what did you use for the 3rd?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_audio

DrumIntoTheNight
05-18-2009, 12:46 PM
Nope, it's balanced. Ground is connected to the metal backing of the cone.

http://www.scotaudio.com/images/male_xlr.gif

http://www.scotaudio.com/wiring.htm

fishbulb
05-18-2009, 01:23 PM
How did you hook it up to a mixer? Did you cut an XLR cable and connect the cables/leads?

Would this be affected by phantom power? If i can get my hands on an old speaker i'd definitely be interested in doing this. Would a larger speaker be better or would any size suffice?

DrumIntoTheNight
05-18-2009, 01:30 PM
6-8" is fine, as that's analogous to most subwoofers the world over.

Wired a stereo guitar socket into the shell of the casing - so I can just plug in a balanced jack to XLR cable. XLR straight into mixer, adjust gain as necessary.

As far as phantom power goes... I don't know. It shouldn't affect it, in theory, but then my casing is a steel snare drum, so I've no idea. I'll find out tomorrow when my mixing desk arrives.

Chippy569
05-18-2009, 05:01 PM
AUDIO!!!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEmmTQk0I4E


I ended up needing that 10K inline resistor. I also tried the 1K bridge but it didn't actually do anything.

DrumIntoTheNight
05-19-2009, 10:00 AM
Tested it today - Phantom power doesn't affect it.

Vannaroth
05-19-2009, 01:21 PM
AUDIO!!!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEmmTQk0I4E


I ended up needing that 10K inline resistor. I also tried the 1K bridge but it didn't actually do anything.

At first when I heard the woofer on its own I was like "meh." Then I heard it with the microphone as well and I was like "oohhh".

Chippy569
05-19-2009, 01:30 PM
At first when I heard the woofer on its own I was like "meh." Then I heard it with the microphone as well and I was like "oohhh".
exactly. It's not meant to be a standalone bass mic because it has almost no "punch." But when mixed with a punchy tone, voila! One sexy oomphy drum.