The only thread on the forum where you can argue

[moogoogaipan]

I've been expanding my musical palette lately, and thought that hip-hop would be a great new place to get some groove in my pocket.

Tell me what you recommend (if you have a moment), just one album per person and why you like it.

Also, anyone heard the Rick Ross' Maybach Music 2... if you were to genre-fy it, what would you call it. I no nothing of hip-hop genres and would love to get schooled

[Jaundice]

Get Illmatic by Nas.

It's a timeless classic, and all the beats and lyrics are hotter than the majority of what's going on fifteen years later.

Word up on New Orleans btw

[C.O.A.]

ew rick ross is horrible.

jaundice's suggestion is a good one.

one of my favorite albums is Outkast's ATLiens

[Led_Zep_Bonham]

Hieroglyphics - Third Eye Vision

[illmitch]

maybach music 2 is definitely southern rap. great song, i love the new rick ross album.

my recommendation:

The Diplomats - Diplomatic Immunity Volume 1

not as popular on these boards, but I'm a huge Dipset fan. Cam has a very strange, eccentric rhyming style (and the other members of the group back him up very well), and the beat selection is immaculate.

[kingsoby1]

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=570776

this list is the forum's list of classic albums from 1998-2008... below those are other recommended albums. also, check up on our weekly classics thread (which is archived in the link above too). have fun, you've found the best genre by far ;-p

[iarescientists]

Hieroglyphics - Third Eye Vision

blandest album ever released ever

[niobium]

fat boys fat boys

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

blandest album ever released ever
more like classified

[Already_Taken]

del tha funkee homosapien - deltron 3030

[Meatplow]

Jurassic 5 - Power In Numbers

the most soulful, upbeat hip-hop i've come across yet

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Like Jaundice said, Illmatic is a pretty good place to start.

A Tribe Called Quest's The Low End Theory is also essential.

[EightMilesHigh]

http://www.strangefamousrecords.com/images/wutang_enterthewutang.jpg

I also second Illmatic and A Tribe Called Quest.

[We_Love_Lime]

Cosin on ATliens.

Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside. Or Wut? Thee Album.
Redman makes me smile everrrrry ****ing time I listen to him.

[easylee]

backpack rapper - backpack album

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

:lool:

[pixiesfanyo]

J Dilla - Ruff Draft EP

[Anus Invader]

hieroglyphics - third eye vision

yes

blandest album ever released ever

no

and i recommend Dr. Octagon - The Return of Dr. Octagon because Kool Keith is a legend, hes been around a long ****ing time doing some of the best hip hop. he keeps the style goofy, fresh and genuine even in his new material, while boosting his production value tenfold. sounds fresh and clear and modern, feels like old school

[team_racket]

Organized Konfusion: Stress: The Extinction Agenda

'Let's Organize' is one of my favourite hip hop tracks ever. It's probably the one song that got me into hip hop.

[SgtPrimus]

I second 36 Chambers.

[Led_Zep_Bonham]

blandest album ever released ever

Good recommendation.

Actually not, clean the jizz out of your nose, you're mumbling . . .

[Amit]

replies in this represent exactly why it's so hard to find good hip hop recommendations on the internet

if you liked maybach music 2 then you should check out lil wayne's tha carter III

[pixiesfanyo]

replies in this represent exactly why it's so hard to find good hip hop recommendations on the internet

wut?

[Amit]

well not this thread necessarily but it reminded me of countless other threads on other hip hop forums

OP: hey i'm new to hip hop but here's this rick ross song i like
someone else: omfg rick ross sucks go listen to real hip hop like asher roth or atmosphere and not that lame dumb rap crap

[pixiesfanyo]

one person said rick ross sucked and he didn't ask for similar rick ross tunes.

[Amit]

i know i'm jus sayin >:[

[pixiesfanyo]

well i agree **** most of the stuff that gets recommended in these threads. but, lets try and make this forum a little more productive and counter those recommendations with albums not by white people from the midwest.

[illmitch]

well i agree **** most of the stuff that gets recommended in these threads. but, lets try and make this forum a little more productive and counter those recommendations with albums not by white people from the midwest.

this

[iarescientists]

alright i'll get serious for a second.

Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030 and/or cLOUDDEAD - cLOUDDEAD
probably the best introduction to hip-hop if you like the concept of hip-hop but you don't like the supposed misogynistic and violent themes you think it relies on.

Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst and/or Madvillain - Madvillainy
this will help you continue to delve into hip-hop but it'll get you in more violent and misogynistic themes, but it's weird enough where you can scoff at people that like that kind of mindless filth.

Nas - Illmatic and/or Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
Here's where you start getting into the real gritty ****. You'll realize themes don't mean **** in hip-hop and all that matters is awesome beats and sick rhymes and that is what these specialize in.

[pixiesfanyo]

i can understand why Amit is upset because thats like four or five of the most named albums anytime anyone poses this question.

[iarescientists]

that is what i was hoping for

[Amit]

alright i'll get serious for a second.

Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030 and/or cLOUDDEAD - cLOUDDEAD
probably the best introduction to hip-hop if you like the concept of hip-hop but you don't like the supposed misogynistic and violent themes you think it relies on.

Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst and/or Madvillain - Madvillainy
this will help you continue to delve into hip-hop but it'll get you in more violent and misogynistic themes, but it's weird enough where you can scoff at people that like that kind of mindless filth.

Nas - Illmatic and/or Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
Here's where you start getting into the real gritty ****. You'll realize themes don't mean **** in hip-hop and all that matters is awesome beats and sick rhymes and that is what these specialize in.

*has a stroke*

although this is majorly awesome parody material

[We_Love_Lime]

backpack rapper - backpack album

What?

[Led_Zep_Bonham]

alright i'll get serious for a second.

Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030 and/or cLOUDDEAD - cLOUDDEAD
probably the best introduction to hip-hop if you like the concept of hip-hop but you don't like the supposed misogynistic and violent themes you think it relies on.

Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst and/or Madvillain - Madvillainy
this will help you continue to delve into hip-hop but it'll get you in more violent and misogynistic themes, but it's weird enough where you can scoff at people that like that kind of mindless filth.

Nas - Illmatic and/or Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
Here's where you start getting into the real gritty ****. You'll realize themes don't mean **** in hip-hop and all that matters is awesome beats and sick rhymes and that is what these specialize in.

Better try and stay with being facetious.

[Crapdragoon]

What?



you don't get it?

[guitarded_chuck]

Nas - Illmatic and/or Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)

these

[kingsoby1]

i dont understand... all those albums are solid... i personally dont like clouddead, but i guess they're fine. the rest aren't "backpacker" albums really, just good albums.

i mean, seriously, it's OKAY to like non mainstream hip-hop, ha.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

yeah but you absolutely cannot post about it

[Correction]

people are so ****ing stupid

[iarescientists]

im just trying to keep it real, if you're trying to get into hip-hop as an outsider it's best to start with the cliched albums everybody already talks about because everybody already talks about them for a reason

[Amit]

they talk about them mostly because everybody talks about them

i'm not trying to discount how important it is to listen and appreciate the culturally significant milestones in hip hop but from my own personal experience it was really frustrating getting recommended albums like illmatic or 36 gaymbers when i was first getting into hip hop because i simply wasn't ready/willing to appreciate stuff like that yet

[iarescientists]

that's why i recommended backpacker classics first so that he could get into the style of hip-hop first and ready himself for the real ****

[Amit]

lmao

[We_Love_Lime]

you don't get it?

No.
Sorry :/

I actually have no idea what we're talking about.


To me it seems as if Illmatic and Liquid Swords and Low End Theory etc.. are like to Hip Hop what Love Supreme and Kind of Blue are to Jazz.
Everybody always recommends them first when someone goes "where do I start"?

I don't know if that means anything.
:p

[Amit]

To me it seems as if Illmatic and Liquid Swords and Low End Theory etc.. are like to Hip Hop what Love Supreme and Kind of Blue are to Jazz.
Everybody always recommends them first when someone goes "where do I start"?

exactly

hugely important albums but each individual typically has a different way to get into hip hop (or any genre of music for that matter) based upon all the (especially non-hip hop) music they've heard before

[SgtPrimus]

I mean he didn't really give any indication of what he was looking for, so the classics are always a good guess.

[kingsoby1]

most people (myself included) don't get into hip-hop because of the mainstream stuff at first. you don't really know how to appreciate it until you actually like the genre, imo... ie, i didn't really like the new TI until the past half year or so, when i started getting into mainstream ****.

it's natural to be in a phase where you're anti-mainstream due to content issues, etc... but to be completely contrary and just hate on the stuff non-OG hip-hop fans like is the same thing, tbh. it's like the hipster credo to do the stuff that's opposite of the group, and that's what i fear the case is here.

but whatever, i like everything, so it doesn't matter to me. one style of hip-hop isn't better or worse than any other.

[Amit]

most people (myself included) don't get into hip-hop because of the mainstream stuff at first. you don't really know how to appreciate it until you actually like the genre, imo... ie, i didn't really like the new TI until the past half year or so, when i started getting into mainstream ****.

if by most people you mean frustrated white guys, sure

i know this sounds crazy but there are quite a few people who get into hip hop outside of music forums on the internet

although it is fascinating that you're insinuating that white guys on internet forums are most of the people who really get into real hip hop

you know instead of that fake hip hop music

it's natural to be in a phase where you're anti-mainstream due to content issues, etc... but to be completely contrary and just hate on the stuff non-OG hip-hop fans like is the same thing, tbh. it's like the hipster credo to do the stuff that's opposite of the group, and that's what i fear the case is here.

i agree completely; both are equally bad

although nas and wu are hardly minorstream

but whatever, i like everything, so it doesn't matter to me. one style of hip-hop isn't better or worse than any other.

i don't like everything; only the things which inspire and/or entertain me

whether that means SMKA (omg underground name drop) or slim thug, it's all good if it has the beats and flow that i enjoy

just as how i can't stand atmosphere or del, i don't find very much love for jay z or ludacris

ie, i don't like atmosphere or asher roth because they're popular/not popular, i don't like them because i find their music to be awful

inclusivity is so overrated and it is not something you should be proud of

[Rams]

Amit is the biggest crybaby on the forum.

Pick up something with Premier or Pete Rock doing the beats.

[Amit]

shut up meanie face >:[

[Flagjacket]

if by most people you mean frustrated white guys, sure

i know this sounds crazy but there are quite a few people who get into hip hop outside of music forums on the internet

although it is fascinating that you're insinuating that white guys on internet forums are most of the people who really get into real hip hop

you know instead of that fake hip hop music



i agree completely; both are equally bad

although nas and wu are hardly minorstream



i don't like everything; only the things which inspire and/or entertain me

whether that means SMKA (omg underground name drop) or slim thug, it's all good if it has the beats and flow that i enjoy

just as how i can't stand atmosphere or del, i don't find very much love for jay z or ludacris

ie, i don't like atmosphere or asher roth because they're popular/not popular, i don't like them because i find their music to be awful

inclusivity is so overrated and it is not something you should be proud of

You've just identified every problem I have when I talk about rap with White people.

[Amit]

<3<3

[Jaundice]

Yeah I got Amit's back on this issue

[Amit]

thanks son

ok here are some of my favorite recommendations from the souf (excluding outkast since that's already been mentioned...although dungeon family sort of counts):

little brother - the minstrel show
dungeon family - even in the darkness
ugk - ridin dirty
cunninlynguists - a piece of strange
goodie mob - soul food

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

lol what an elaborate recommendation, slowly takes shape over the course of a few posts, then it reaches a crux with an ideological spar roping in the last few stragglers' interest and then it finally drops

my rec is
slum village - fantastic 1 or 2

[niobium]

benchmarks are easier to recommend cuz it may validate what the recomendee has already heard about. the intent of recommendin an accepted klassic is easy cuz usually those albums for some reason or another were influenza in their own way or brought about a different style of thinking which broke through for reasons really debatable and even luck. maybe those fans were introduced in the same way they bring about it to you

having that said please no more illmatic for christ sakes. please

[ATM]

Smif-N-Wessun - Dah Shinin'

[Jaundice]

I wonder where ts has been all this time

[niobium]

listening to rock and roll

[Jaundice]

he's prob been hanging out with MXDP

[kingsoby1]

Fact: most people that use this forum are white and never lived in, or near, hip-hop culture growing up.

I love refuting multi-part posts in one sentence; especially when niobium said the obvious for me (nice post btw, too bad you actually had to say something that obvious :-/). I mean seriously, how did I insinuate that white guys on forums are the only people that get into hip-hop... that's just ridiculous to even say. I'm really beginning to think that you just like to whine and be contrary.

I mean, how can you denounce alt-rap recommendations when you seriously just recommended CunninLynguists? Saying inclusivity is overrated really identifies you as close minded dude. I'm not white, I despise Atmosphere, Asher Roth, and plenty of other alt-rap drones, and I love Jay-Z, Luda, TI, UGK, and plenty of other mainstream ****. I also happen to love me some El-P, Deltron, and other crazy ****/ almost everything from Detroit. Sorry dude, I just love music.

[We_Love_Lime]

Hey guys. Let's post all the artists we listen to and don't listen to in order to be accepted by the MX Hip-Hop community. Let me start.


Aesop Rock?
Float or Labor Days are my favourites. I never liked Bazooka Tooth. I don't know why.

[niobium]

it just sounds like youre trying to do a service by recommending the most well known albums without having your own taste involved in it like your echoing a must have list without having extra input, any jack off with an internet connection can easily find out about 36 chambers i mean its why i post on foarums to begin with because there is more interaction and feeling than a shitty top 25 of the 90s

im pretty white tbh i know i like hip hop a little but it just really discourages me when others regurgitate played out recommendations like i wouldn't expect the avg guy to know about half the stuff mentioned in here but where is the fan's responsibility in researching the essentials on his own

having that said please no more illmatic for christ sakes. please

[kingsoby1]

i really wish someone dropped a list of cool **** on my lap when i first started listening. i didn't even research this sh*t at all on the internet until like December, just got tunes from my friends and talked to the local hip-hop record store dudes.

[niobium]

this new forum is dropping all sorts of cool **** thx mx

[StalkingButler]

http://www.strangefamousrecords.com/images/wutang_enterthewutang.jpg

I also second Illmatic and A Tribe Called Quest.

This post.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

heh

[StalkingButler]

it just sounds like youre trying to do a service by recommending the most well known albums without having your own taste involved in it like your echoing a must have list without having extra input, any jack off with an internet connection can easily find out about 36 chambers i mean its why i post on foarums to begin with because there is more interaction and feeling than a poopty top 25 of the 90s

im pretty white tbh i know i like hip hop a little but it just really discourages me when others regurgitate played out recommendations like i wouldn't expect the avg guy to know about half the stuff mentioned in here but where is the fan's responsibility in researching the essentials on his own

having that said please no more illmatic for christ sakes. please

The problem is.. the average guy who gets an impression of hip hop.. doesn't always find these albums right away (Illmatic, 36 Chambers), unless they are searching places like this or rym. Other sources can point them into a different/bad direction really fast (Lil Wayne?). You probably are just used to the same old, same old and are irritated because you know hip hop is much more than Illmatic.. but in all realization, the five star classics from 15+ years ago is still probably the best way to 'get' into hip hop. It lets them hear good producers (RZA, Premo, Pete Rock), some of the best lyrical performances and after they get wow'd the specialty albums/genres (conscious-, political-, alternative-, southern-, west coast/g-funk-, grime-, instrumental-) fall right into place, depending on what type of person they are.

[ATM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmD3tsc1Ro4

[kingsoby1]

butlerstalker, i'm gonna have to disagree.

i think turn of the century alt-rap is more accessible to new listeners, especially stuff that has crossover appeal. if i heard wu tang or illmatic at first, i honestly wouldn't have gotten into hip-hop.

[pixiesfanyo]

The problem is.. the average guy who gets an impression of hip hop.. doesn't always find these albums right away (Illmatic, 36 Chambers), unless they are searching places like this or rym. Other sources can point them into a different/bad direction really fast (Lil Wayne?). You probably are just used to the same old, same old and are irritated because you know hip hop is much more than Illmatic.. but in all realization, the five star classics from 15+ years ago is still probably the best way to 'get' into hip hop. It lets them hear good producers (RZA, Premo, Pete Rock), some of the best lyrical performances and after they get wow'd the specialty albums/genres (conscious-, political-, alternative-, southern-, west coast/g-funk-, grime-, instrumental-) fall right into place, depending on what type of person they are.

yeah, but as a forum we should strive to be more original than that.

Lil' Wayne has its merits. So does Illmatic. What I was trying to say is that we need to examine each album in its context, style, etc. and not just shut out ideas.

Granted, I obviously was targeting Rhymesayers in my post. But that tends to be the hip-hop I see as lame. It just comes off as unauthentic. It just gets tiresome to go into any recommendation thread and see the same two albums. They've been discussed to death. Actually, as a matter of fact I'm hereby placing the first rule on the Hip-Hop forum.

1. Discussion of Illmatic and 36 Chambers is solely reserved for the "what are you listening to now" thread.

[pixiesfanyo]

thanks son

ok here are some of my favorite recommendations from the souf (excluding outkast since that's already been mentioned...although dungeon family sort of counts):

little brother - the minstrel show
dungeon family - even in the darkness
ugk - ridin dirty
cunninlynguists - a piece of strange
goodie mob - soul food

also lol at getting mad at people for suggesting standard responses and then saying cunninlynguists and ugk for southern rap.

[Amit]

also lol at getting mad at people for suggesting standard responses and then saying cunninlynguists and ugk for southern rap.

cunninlynguists and ugk are far far far away from 36 chambers or illmatic in terms of the spectrum of standardized responses though

Fact: most people that use this forum are white and never lived in, or near, hip-hop culture growing up.

Fact: you didn't say that at all.

most people (myself included) don't get into hip-hop because of the mainstream stuff at first.

Unless you were expecting me to mystically understand that you shifted the context from hip hop in general to hip hop in this tiny forum.

I love refuting multi-part posts in one sentence

...Where did you do that?

especially when niobium said the obvious for me (nice post btw, too bad you actually had to say something that obvious :-/). I mean seriously, how did I insinuate that white guys on forums are the only people that get into hip-hop... that's just ridiculous to even say. I'm really beginning to think that you just like to whine and be contrary.

One thing is for sure: white guys on forums are the only ones who are still masturbating over Illmatic and 36 Chambers.

I mean, how can you denounce alt-rap recommendations when you seriously just recommended CunninLynguists?

Looks like someone missed the point by a country mile.

Saying inclusivity is overrated really identifies you as close minded dude.

Oh snap, we got the hip hop psychoanalyst in here. Again, I think you are having substantial trouble understanding the exceedingly simple points I'm making here so let me try again:

Being open to everything (something I strongly believe in) is a very different perspective compared to your pithy little "I like everything look at how cool I am" view.

But yeah, looking at what I've been listening to, you could definitely say I'm mega ultra narrow minded.

http://www.last.fm/user/eggothewaffle/charts?rangetype=3month&subtype=artists

Being open to listening to everything is different from I'm not white, I despise Atmosphere, Asher Roth, and plenty of other alt-rap drones, and I love Jay-Z, Luda, TI, UGK, and plenty of other mainstream ****. I also happen to love me some El-P, Deltron, and other crazy ****/ almost everything from Detroit. Sorry dude, I just love music.

damn i just got owned by an avalanche of diversity

i guess i must hate music except for that really fake (c)rap music

The problem is.. the average guy who gets an impression of hip hop.. doesn't always find these albums right away (Illmatic, 36 Chambers), unless they are searching places like this or rym. Other sources can point them into a different/bad direction really fast (Lil Wayne?). You probably are just used to the same old, same old and are irritated because you know hip hop is much more than Illmatic.. but in all realization, the five star classics from 15+ years ago is still probably the best way to 'get' into hip hop. It lets them hear good producers (RZA, Premo, Pete Rock), some of the best lyrical performances and after they get wow'd the specialty albums/genres (conscious-, political-, alternative-, southern-, west coast/g-funk-, grime-, instrumental-) fall right into place, depending on what type of person they are.

oh damn this is exactly the kind of **** i'm talking about

[Jaundice]

If I was just starting to try to get into hip-hop and my first impression was MF Doom or Deltron 3030 I'd probably pass on the genre.

[Amit]

If I was just starting to try to get into hip-hop and my first impression was MF Doom or Deltron 3030 I'd probably pass on the genre.

Hah, funny you mention it. Deltron 3030 and Aesop Rock were exactly the two reasons why it took me so long to get into hip hop.

[kingsoby1]

im glad we at least have one forum troll... no forum is complete without.

i'm not really confident that you know anything about what you're talking about, so i'll stop eating the bait.

[niobium]

del on deltron tries way too hard and just fails all over. i can't even tolerate it a little

[Jaundice]

Hah, funny you mention it. Deltron 3030 and Aesop Rock were exactly the two reasons why it took me so long to get into hip hop.High five?

im glad we at least have one forum troll... no forum is complete without.I hope you don't mean me :(

[Amit]

im glad we at least have one forum troll... no forum is complete without.

i'm not really confident that you know anything about what you're talking about, so i'll stop eating the bait.

yeah woops i guess i need to fap to illmatic before i know what i'm talking about in hip hop

brb taking some community college classes on illmatic

[kingsoby1]

i dont really even like illmatic that much. it's fine i guess.

[Already_Taken]

asher roth - i love college

omg it's like u can relate to it so easy it's great

[ATM]

I took the best route.

Mainstream -> underground -> favorites from both

[Amit]

hahah

I took the best route.

Mainstream -> underground -> favorites from both

same heere

[horseypie]

i basically started with eminem, snoop dogg and cypress hill
didnt really listen to it that much
got into eminem heaps a while ago and found dre and nwa and all that stuff
got a little into club r&B stuff then found out about trip hop which was everything i wanted in hip hop at that time
then found stuff like kanye and mainstream stuff...then i heard dan the automator in peeping tom and started looking for stuff that he did and then got to what i listen to today

[kingsoby1]

also, instead of arguing, you guys should post in the nominations sticky

[EightMilesHigh]

I was going to post The Black Album by Jay-Z and then I remember when Jay-Z did The Black Album and all the metalheads got mad because Metallica already had a Black Album and I laughed a bit to myself.

[SgtPrimus]

I recommended 36 chambers because it is the album that got me into hip hop.

[jaydenhoward87]

tribe called quest, kanye west, common, lauren hill, erykah badu, lil wayne, drake... do NOT listen to soulja boi

[easylee]

soulja boi is better than those old farts

[illmitch]

nah soulja boy has some good songs i think. i like Gucci Bandanna a lot.

[Amit]

kiss me on the phone has a tight hook

i love people who listen to hip hop and are super defensive+insecure about hip hop they listen to and say stuff like DO NOT LISTEN TO SOULJA BOI

[iarescientists]

i listen to real hip-hop that talks about space travel and politics not that "bitches and hoes" trash

[griftadan]

for just getting into hip hop?

dr. dre, 2001.

[Jawaharal]

I don't really like illmatic and never have =/

36 chambers, however, is dope as ****, but I wouldn't recommend it a first.

edit: also I hate when people recommend **** like immortal technique. god i hate that mother****er

[illmitch]

i listen to real hip-hop that talks about space travel and politics not that "bitches and hoes" trash

lol thats an exemplary quote as far as im concerned

[Amit]

only hip hop i listen to is about plover migration patterns

[Led_Zep_Bonham]

I'm bingin' on that early bird special, high fiber doo-wop-hop m'self.

[We_Love_Lime]

Dilated Peoples?
The Platform is incredibly IMO, but it doesn't get the hype of other albums.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

someone recommend me some space travel hiphop with references to feudal farming techniques

[Aaron]

The Roots, or Dillinger Escape Plan.

[We_Love_Lime]

Aren't The Roots garbage or something?

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

The Roots, or Dillinger Escape Plan.
naw man they old school feudal farmin dude cmon dont even recommend that

[DannyBrighteyes]

Wait when the hell did being white even come into knowing about a music genre? because you grew up around a "hip-hop" culture does that validate your opinion about the music genre more so than a random kid on the internet? If you feel you're somehow more justified to express your opinion about hip-hop because you're not white, than you're sorely mistaken. Wasn't this argument bled dry at least 10 years ago?

Diverse - One A.M - This album to me was gold, I loved his intelligence with the lyrics, I could never find it anywhere on the internet except for a link I found here at least a year ago.

Jurassic 5 - Power In Numbers - These guys to me are hip hop brilliance, I love their lyrical content, and I feel as though it can be relevant to peoples lives.

Y Society - Travel At Your Own Pace - I found this shortly after from a random hip hop fan, very grateful, love the album.

I also listened to stuff like The Shape Of Broad Minds, Edan, Nas, I feel as though that was a great entrance into a great genre of music, I'm loving hip hop, and I'm only hoping to find more.

[Jawaharal]

I think I would take the opinion of some black dude who grew up with hip-hop culture rather than some white dude on the internet

just sayin

[kingsoby1]

it depends on the person's knowledge of the genre. someone that gets into it later in life can still know a hell of a lot more than a person that grew up with it. you fail to realize that there really aren't a ton of people as fanatic about music as the rym, sputnik, and blogosphere communities.

heck, the blogosphere and online media singlehandedly made the Detroit scene what it is today.

so yeah, i would probably choose Rams or pixiesfanyo's opinions over a random dude that grew up in the culture.

[niobium]

to gain the knowledge is equally as important as making music. i just don't know when to cut off

all those communities are nice and valuable to the burgeoning fan looking to expand horizons but imo the best musicmakers are too busy to contribute much to the blogs and online scene and we just discover it years later. don't know how to phrase what i mean

[DannyBrighteyes]

Any persons opinion is valuable with hip hop, I'd like to think it's a growing genre. And if you sit there and castrate opinions due to someone's race, then the only thing you're fueling is your ignorance to the genre.

Just my opinion.

I'm white anyway, and I grew up in Australia, intelligent hip hop is extremely uncommon here, the Australian hip hop scene is not that big either, and it's slowly replicating the large media influences from the rap scene in America, which imo is a bad move.

[Amit]

this burgeoning obsession with so-called "intelligent" hip hop is purely a white male culture phenomenon and it's one of the biggest reasons why white male culture has so little credibility in hip hop

and if you can't understand that when i say white, i'm not talking about skin color, then you're only proving the above point

[illmitch]

yeah, i think it stems from people who are unable to appreciate hip hop for the music alone. so, to them, someone who raps about bitches, guns, and drugs is inherently less valuable than somebody who raps about "intelligent stuff". additionally, they see the style of rapping typically used by those who speak about "intelligent stuff" (a blog i visit refers to it as the "nas formula"), so rappers who don't rap like that are inherently less valuable as well.

[Already_Taken]

my great grandma is 100% jamacian therefore my opinion on rap music holds way more weight than any of you non-blacks

and i'm glad someone called amit out on his stupid stupid basis for denouncing people's opinions on music.

I mean, i think of amit this way: a guy who grew up in the country for a while, then lived in the city, wears preppy clothes, denounced smoking weed and called the people who did it idiots until he tried it, goes to one of the best medical schools in the world, has rich parents.

you're the biggestr ****ing white boy on this forum!

[Amit]

my great grandma is 100% jamacian therefore my opinion on rap music holds way more weight than any of you non-blacks

and i'm glad someone called amit out on his stupid stupid basis for denouncing people's opinions on music.

I mean, i think of amit this way: a guy who grew up in the country for a while, then lived in the city, wears preppy clothes, denounced smoking weed and called the people who did it idiots until he tried it, goes to one of the best medical schools in the world, has rich parents.

you're the biggestr ****ing white boy on this forum!

lol white trash on the internet are so amusing

[Already_Taken]

i'm blacker than u dude-bro. (i'm from ATL, ATL NIGGA)

[Amit]

why are you so easily trolled alreadytaken

i have many perfectly valid answers for why you are but i am curious as to what you think

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

yo **** my nigga amit shud bvlaze mad bl00ntz wit me and listen to j dilla

[Already_Taken]

cause i'm so serious all the time

[Jawaharal]

this burgeoning obsession with so-called "intelligent" hip hop is purely a white male culture phenomenon and it's one of the biggest reasons why white male culture has so little credibility in hip hop

and if you can't understand that when i say white, i'm not talking about skin color, then you're only proving the above point

agreed

[Rams]

It's an art not a science. There is no such thing as universally good or bad. Find what you like and listen to it.


Y Society - Travel At Your Own Pace - I found this shortly after from a random hip hop fan, very grateful, love the album.

Insight is awesome, he's been putting out great albums for years now. Soloplexus is an awesome concept.

[pixiesfanyo]

i'm tempted to just put a rule that if anyone bickers with Amit i'm deleting all of the posts because the arguments between Amit and other people are always the stupidest **** ever.

makes me feel like i'm in college.

[illmitch]

well amit had good points

[pixiesfanyo]

nah.. stuff like El-P, Dose One, Sole are all cool in their own way. its just completely different from other hip-hop. i think that is actually what makes hip-hop so compelling is that it is a genre that fully embraces the cultural side and puts it out in the music.

[Amit]

nah.. stuff like El-P, Dose One, Sole are all cool in their own way. its just completely different from other hip-hop. i think that is actually what makes hip-hop so compelling is that it is a genre that fully embraces the cultural side and puts it out in the music.

exactly

it's that a lot of people (on both sides of this hip hop vs. "rap" dichotomy) think that there's this big tupperware container called good hip hop and there's only so much room in that container for music and that "unintelligent" rap music and "intelligent" hip hop music are both vying for that space

instead of worrying about gay *** containers and what's smart/popular and what's not smart/popular, people should just be enjoying the music they listen to and discussing what makes it enjoyable to them

there's music i will play at my parties and there's music i will play in my headphones; one isn't better than the other

[kingsoby1]

dude that's exactly what i said earlier lol

[Already_Taken]

then don't start **** in every thread you post in amit, declaring what is and what isn't worthy of mention by you, as if what you have to say is more important than anyone else.

i wish i had heard del a lot earlier, and i know a ton of people who don't like a lot of rap and they love del so it's nice that you have an opinion, but try to not shove it down our throats like some other things that may be shoved in yours.

[niobium]

what, ****? gobble that ****ing ****

[DannyBrighteyes]

If you could elaborate your meaning behind "white hip hop" instead of leaving it as an unknown. Intelligent hip hop is my own definition, it's not a white hip hop concept, it's a concept that I use freely to define my own musical tastes in hip hop, it bridges a gap for me between what I find is good hip hop and media influenced gangster rap. When I use "intelligent" hip hop, it is entirely my own definition, and personal perception of the genre, and I use it loosely, so it's unfair that you generalize my understanding of hip hop alone due to that.

If anyone's actually here to suggest decent hip hop, then I just got:

Q Tip / The Renaissance - I am loving this album.

3582 / The Living Soul

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

oh so you just choose intelligent to mean whatever you want

[DannyBrighteyes]

Pretty much. This term is changed daily by each peoples different perception of what truly is intelligent or not, thus making it more and more vague day by day. So when I refer to "intelligent hip hop" I basically mean any hip hop that I personally think effort & passion is put into, I'm not subjecting this view on others, it is entirely my own to define a music genre by. And my view is not superior to anyone elses because I define it as intelligent.

[horseypie]

i hope everyone arguing about types of hip hop like intelligent hip hop realises theyre turning into metal kids who argue about the difference between melodeath progcore and meloprog deathcore

[DannyBrighteyes]

i hope everyone arguing about types of hip hop like intelligent hip hop realises theyre turning into metal kids who argue about the difference between melodeath progcore and meloprog deathcore

I just don't think colour should come into the discussion unless the term "white" is used to define something that isn't entirely relevant to race.

And there will always be different types of different music genres, and different beliefs and definitions of each. It's getting harder to define groups, singers, or bands by one genre these days.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

Pretty much. This term is changed daily by each peoples different perception of what truly is intelligent or not, thus making it more and more vague day by day. So when I refer to "intelligent hip hop" I basically mean any hip hop that I personally think effort & passion is put into, I'm not subjecting this view on others, it is entirely my own to define a music genre by. And my view is not superior to anyone elses because I define it as intelligent.
please use a different word than intelligent

it's almost bad a genre description as melodic

[horseypie]

I just don't think colour should come into the discussion unless the term "white" is used to define something that isn't entirely relevant to race.

And there will always be different types of different music genres, and different beliefs and definitions of each. It's getting harder to define groups, singers, or bands by one genre these days.

i totally agree on the white part

but honestly why do you feel the need to catagorize everything? if anything doing it by area or scene (aka like Detroit as a lot of people here are doing) is enough, rather than intelligent alt-rap bla bla
just call it hip hop...if youre trying to describe it to someone tell them who they sound like

[DannyBrighteyes]

please use a different word than intelligent

it's almost bad a genre description as melodic

How about positive then? just for your sake.

And you're right I should do that horseman, I'll keep my categorizing for my own views, I've just gotten used to it as when I say hip hop here, people instantly think of 50 cent, or Lil Wayne, or the cash cows you see on mtv, and instantly hate it and don't even give the music a fair chance.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

people instantly think of 50 cent, or Lil Wayne, or the cash cows you see on mtv, and instantly hate it and don't even give the music a fair chance.i like ot think of it as their own ignorance and it isn't my fault or worry
How about positive then? just for your sake.intelligent hiphop is dumb as **** if you listen to what they're saying

since when is rap more than a musical style/attitude and a form of literature or a learning experience

intelligence just denotes longer words whether used correctly or not in most cases

idk i just personally listen for the new sound hiphop has

[horseypie]

hey i wasnt just aiming it at you mate, it was pretty much a general statement, it just may have seemed i was aiming it at you

and yeah im from aus too so i feel ya on talking about hip hop, but in the end most people i talk to about music listen to other stuff as well so its not as bad
otherwise ill just say yeah i listen to dre and eminem im awesome

[DannyBrighteyes]

intelligent hiphop is dumb as **** if you listen to what they're saying

That itself entirely depends on what you mean by intelligent hip hop sir.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

i mean the title intelligent

its okay to have pet peeves right

especially since they're correct

[iarescientists]

Pretty much. This term is changed daily by each peoples different perception of what truly is intelligent or not, thus making it more and more vague day by day. So when I refer to "intelligent hip hop" I basically mean any hip hop that I personally think effort & passion is put into, I'm not subjecting this view on others, it is entirely my own to define a music genre by. And my view is not superior to anyone elses because I define it as intelligent.

lol

[Amit]

Pretty much. This term is changed daily by each peoples different perception of what truly is intelligent or not, thus making it more and more vague day by day. So when I refer to "intelligent hip hop" I basically mean any hip hop that I personally think effort & passion is put into, I'm not subjecting this view on others, it is entirely my own to define a music genre by. And my view is not superior to anyone elses because I define it as intelligent.

oh great the guitar shred nerds have invaded the hip hop forum

this is exactly the kind of juvenile pseudo-intellectual pretentious stuff i was talking about

UGH when will people realize it takes as much (or even more) talent, passion, creativity, and skill to make a great pop song as it does to make a song about early millenial commercial trading practices in Namibia

also most "intelligent" rap has lyrical content that is roughly equivalent to the angsty ramblings of a 13 year old on livejournal in terms of intellectuality and originality

then don't start **** in every thread you post in amit, declaring what is and what isn't worthy of mention by you, as if what you have to say is more important than anyone else.

woah stop crying already_taken

i think you are reading way too much into my posts oh wait I FORGOT THAT YOU ARE NEVER SERIOUS

since that's not a real suggestion then, i won't have to consider what you say!

i wish i had heard del a lot earlier, and i know a ton of people who don't like a lot of rap and they love del so it's nice that you have an opinion, but try to not shove it down our throats like some other things that may be shoved in yours.

haha i love it when the people who hold so much animosity towards me are the ones who are most capable of proving my own points

you're absolutely right though, outsiders to hip hop love del because he raps about ecuadorian knitting patterns with poor delivery and lame *** beats

I just don't think colour should come into the discussion unless the term "white" is used to define something that isn't entirely relevant to race.

i've been talking about white male culture since the beginning, not white skin

i thought this was painfully obvious

[Rams]

oh great the guitar shred nerds have invaded the hip hop forum

this is exactly the kind of juvenile pseudo-intellectual pretentious stuff i was talking about

UGH when will people realize it takes as much (or even more) talent, passion, creativity, and skill to make a great pop song as it does to make a song about early millenial commercial trading practices in Namibia

also most "intelligent" rap has lyrical content that is roughly equivalent to the angsty ramblings of a 13 year old on livejournal in terms of intellectuality and originality

Sounds like someone is upset they aren't white and isn't smart enough to understand what intelligent rappers are rapping about.

[Amit]

Sounds like someone is upset they aren't white and isn't smart enough to understand what intelligent rappers are rapping about.

yeah :(

BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT

[Rams]

People like Del because he's not your average MC with the joe schmo flow, if you don't know that by now then you'll never know.

[Amit]

People like Del because he's not your average MC with the joe schmo flow, if you don't know that by now then you'll never know.

you have opened my eyes to the wonders of outsider dictionary rap

[We_Love_Lime]

Only cool thing Del ever did was rap a verse using alliteration of the consonant "V" on "Seven Sixes"

And that was almost over shadowed by Pep Love's verse.

[kingsoby1]

deltron 3030

[Apocalyptic Raids]

i dig a little 3030 every now and then.

mostly for the beats, though.

[kingsoby1]

it's definitely my favorite album of all time, sorry guys :(

[Jaundice]

Ha, all this because somebody wanted to know what rap album they should download.

[Amit]

lessons learned: don't download rap albums

[kingsoby1]

rap sucks more like crap

[easylee]

i dig a little 3030 every now and then.

mostly for the beats, though.

the beats are the worst part

[Rams]

Listen to real rap like Elephant Man and Pitbull.

[pixiesfanyo]

charmeleon

[horseypie]

it's definitely my favorite album of all time, sorry guys :(

hear hear

although it could be more love for dan the automator but del still rips it up on the first half of the album especially

[Already_Taken]

woah stop crying already_taken

i think you are reading way too much into my posts oh wait I FORGOT THAT YOU ARE NEVER SERIOUS
no but i don't just write people off and call them dumb, and i do take time to read what people say. i guess cause i see myself on the same level as the rest of people who love music as well


haha i love it when the people who hold so much animosity towards me are the ones who are most capable of proving my own points
tell yourself that, but you started this thread dissing everyone's opinion only to give yours, and then you turned around and said we're all dumb for arguing and everyone likes their own thing.

but don't worry, my brain didn't start sweating to draw that connection.


you're absolutely right though, outsiders to hip hop love del
great so you agree it should be a great place to start listening to hip hop. not the first time you've gone back on what you said.

because he raps about ecuadorian knitting patterns with poor delivery and lame *** beats

nice opinion, I have one too.

[Amit]

no but i don't just write people off and call them dumb, and i do take time to read what people say. i guess cause i see myself on the same level as the rest of people who love music as well

when do people realize that pointing out that someone is more intelligent than the majority isn't actually an insult

i guess it's an easy way to expose your ignorance and mediocrity if you're the one throwing the flames though

at least it makes my job easier

tell yourself that, but you started this thread dissing everyone's opinion only to give yours, and then you turned around and said we're all dumb for arguing and everyone likes their own thing.

but don't worry, my brain didn't start sweating to draw that connection.

unfortunately that's not what happened at all; i haven't contradicted myself in any way

it's just that your understanding of what i'm saying is conveniently skewed and ignorant enough to favor your silly arguments

great so you agree it should be a great place to start listening to hip hop. not the first time you've gone back on what you said.

again, you're misreading what i'm saying and putting words in my mouth (no homo)

outsiders never start listening to hip hop; they only fixate on del, aesop rock, and bullshit concepts like "intelligent" hip hop...ugh hipsters

this doesn't mean that if you listen to del, you're an outsider or some ironic hipster jerkface; do you understand the concepts of correlation and causation?

nice opinion, I have one too.

well now we've encountered middle school style retorts

this is going places

although i would love to see your defense of del's delivery and the awful beats he raps over

i see absolutely nothing defensible about something like this, the number one song for del on last.fm:

http://www.last.fm/music/Del+tha+Funkee+Homosapien/_/If+You+Must?autostart

although this is sort of tight in that i'm a hipster and i can't dance sort of manner except for his silly ****ing voice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7_jbluF0qo

this has a nice beat but then again it's ruined by his ****ing voice and delivery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4jY9S-dcUQ

[kingsoby1]

you're probably directing that inquiry specifically at Alreadytaken, but i'll bite anyway.

if you've ever hit a blunt, you probably know why del's delivery and lyrics are awesome. regardless, on deltron anyway, he's well read with respect to cyberpunk and scifi, has very creative multisyllabic rhymes, and his disjointed flow lends a lot to entertainment factor.

if you dont like the beats, that's personal preference, but mostly every hip-hop fan i know (yeah, white AND black) loves the production on deltron 3030. so many producers cite the automator's beats on dr. octagon and deltron to be major influences.

if you want to keep pretending that "real" hiphop fans don't like it, i won't stop you, just putting this out there so people know. so yeah, deltron 3030 is fine to like people, listen to your heart's content.

[Amit]

i'm just curious as to how delivery and lyrics aren't personal preference but beats are?

and we must know some very different "real" hip hop fans (yes white AND black)

i'm just really ****ing tired of the intelligent hip hop vs evil rap music dichotomy

[Already_Taken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUU6I7Gr8Tg

this beat rules and, dude amit, don't sweat it man, it kind of looks like you got trolled that would ruin ur rep

also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzj9F-ShaHE

probably his best song

[iarescientists]

smoke herb and rock a turban

[Amit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUU6I7Gr8Tg

this beat rules

lmfao ahahahah

don't sweat it man, it kind of looks like you got trolled that would ruin ur rep

aww someone call officer ricky i think there's a copout in this thread

also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzj9F-ShaHE

probably his best song

great hipster beat but man that voice is like professor hip hop

since that's over let's now argue over how this good this beat is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksII6Co20jw

[Already_Taken]

open the airshaft i'll be there fast

amit, this song would be better without jeezy for sure. i do enjoy the beat it has a lot of movement for a rap song

[We_Love_Lime]

Best Beat ever?

LET THE BEAT BUILD

[We_Love_Lime]

if you've ever hit a blunt, you probably know why del's delivery and lyrics are awesome.

Lol.
You know your **** stinks when people have to be high to enjoy it.

[kingsoby1]

next sentence helps btw

[iarescientists]

i listened to deltron 3030 for the first time in forever a couple weeks ago and it had sort of worn off me, maybe because i'd listened to it too much before, but i'll always love it since it was one of my firsts <3

dr. octagon still rules

[illmitch]

i tried a couple of those del tracks and couldnt really stand the vocals

that young jeezy song goes hard, theres a reason Bun B named him one of his top 5 dead or alive rappers

[Amit]

i tried a couple of those del tracks and couldnt really stand the vocals

that young jeezy song goes hard, theres a reason Bun B named him one of his top 5 dead or alive rappers

yeah i'm thinking there's a big split between the people who like jeezy/rappers who sound like jeezy and del/rappers who sound like del

[illmitch]

yeah i think its unfortunate. i can appreciate some conscious rap, and the classic stuff, but it seems like "the other camp" for lack of a better term refuses to accept the validity of rappers who don't rap like that.

by the way i love your examples of topics for "conscious intelligent rap"....lets rap about underwater basketweaving techniques among 9th century mayans

[Amit]

yeah i think its unfortunate. i can appreciate some conscious rap, and the classic stuff, but it seems like "the other camp" for lack of a better term refuses to accept the validity of rappers who don't rap like that.

yeah that's what i feel too but i could never come out and say it because i think half the internet would explode out of rage

i think there are people who can overlook silly lyrics if the beats are banging and then there are people who can overlook terrible beats if the lyrics seem "intelligent"

i guess for me the music and how they're rapping is far more important than what they're rapping about

by the way i love your examples of topics for "conscious intelligent rap"....lets rap about underwater basketweaving techniques among 9th century mayans

hahahah yea

did you guys hear the new slug & murs mixtape? it's actually some random guy's doctoral thesis on 1950's postmodern anthropological analytical metrics in peruvian tribal linguistics

[Rams]

Probably because Young Jeezy and that song are garbage. The Neptunes did their best to ruin rap and it is still recovering from their **** beats.

[Already_Taken]

wow u guys done with your circle jerk? jeezys voice sounds absolutely terrible in that video. like he was trying to be lil wayne but he sounded like a 90 year old man who smokes all day

[illmitch]

uh he sounds absolutely nothing like lil' wayne, lol, no idea where that's coming from

[Amit]

lol to outsiders like alreadytaken all the rappers making evil untalented rap music sound the same

[Already_Taken]

i didn't say it sounds the same. it sounded like he was trying to make his voice crack like lil wayne, which wouldn't surprise me considering how much their clique copies each other constantly with cliched beats, sounds, and lyrics.

by the way is calling me an outsider an insult? should i try harder to keep up with what is cool and what isn't so i can be on the inside? according to you, maybe, but frankly, i don't give a ****. i keep an objective opinion (in my own right)

and also i never called anyone untalented, i never called any music intelligent, and i never dissed anyone's opinion, so seriously dudebro, if you're going to keep responding to me get some new leverage because as it stands you just look like an idiot.

[Amit]

i didn't say it sounds the same. it sounded like he was trying to make his voice crack like lil wayne, which wouldn't surprise me considering how much their clique copies each other constantly with cliched beats, sounds, and lyrics.

by the way is calling me an outsider an insult? should i try harder to keep up with what is cool and what isn't so i can be on the inside? according to you, maybe, but frankly, i don't give a ****. i keep an objective opinion (in my own right)

and also i never called anyone untalented, i never called any music intelligent, and i never dissed anyone's opinion, so seriously dudebro, if you're going to keep responding to me get some new leverage because as it stands you just look like an idiot.

bawwwww someone just got styled hard

anyway you guys ever do a complete double take when you hear something so totally unexpected and different from an artist?

i'm getting that vibe from this old banner track

http://www.box.net/shared/593lauhc3l

[kingsoby1]

you guys really are like 5 years old.

[Already_Taken]

no i'm not

[Amit]

you guys really are like 5 years old.

brb getting high so i can enjoy del's disjointed flow (whoops i'm dumb, didn't realize that i didn't need quotes around that) and lyrical motifs centered around troves of science fiction literature, acid experiences, and star trek.

Scientifical, syphon typical,
download software into her
cooter computer, sheath electrocuter

[kingsoby1]

cool?

ill fix that for you.

[Amit]

vorpal swords
sharp like a paper cut
pumped out canadian lumber mills
the nazrul slumber till
sauron wakes up

peep that sick multi, guys

[Already_Taken]

hold on checking urban dictionary so i can be on the inside

amit you'll be raving about del in a year. watch

[kingsoby1]

that's pretty cool, i think someone's been holding out on us with their dnd exp

[Amit]

don't bother i'm peeping all of this from a women's studies textbook

she's all about that feminism
omnibus's shiny like a prism
dribbling ranbows all on my mouth
eating it like a nigga from the south

that's pretty cool, i think someone's been holding out on us with their dnd exp

i played PC roguelikes when i was younger and unpopular but that's not really like dnd

although i hear they use pretty similar language and stuff

[kingsoby1]

i went to college so i could build spaceships.

[Already_Taken]

i bet the average hobo is smarter than the average college student

[Amit]

i bet the average hobo is smarter than the average college student

in some ways sure

in others ways not so much

but you could make that statement about anything

although i am far beyond what you might consider the average college student

especially since most of them go to shitty state or private schools

[kingsoby1]

wait, of course college students go to "state or private schools"... that encompasses 100% of schools.

[Already_Taken]

except john hopkins

smug levels in this thread are rapidly reaching boiling point

[Amit]

aww i sense a hint of envy

wait, of course college students go to "state or private schools"... that encompasses 100% of schools.

you might want to move your left quote one place to the left to get the complete statement

this is your conscience amit, you dont need to be reactionary all the time, this is your conscience.

wasn't it you who was complaining about being misquoted earlier?

[kingsoby1]

my dad went to john hopkins for his masters

i went to univ of mn (#3 aerospace engr program in the kuntry thx)

probably will go back to get my phd in a few years, after the lady gets hers.

[Amit]

my dad went to john hopkins for his masters

i went to univ of mn (#3 aerospace engr program in the kuntry thx)

sweet what did he get

and yeah UoM has some awesome engineering departments

i hear their neuroscience program is great too

probably will go back to get my phd in a few years, after the lady gets hers.

awesomeee

[Amit]

lmao the guy who says we're 5 years old ends up editing the posts he doesn't like

cuteness :]

[kingsoby1]

no holds barred. engage modificalizations.

he's a mechanical engineer. i'll probably go for my business systems dynamics phd though, i dont really like being an engineering automaton. i want my own company some day. i'm actually in the running for a technical sales manager/ applications engr position right now, so that should be a good transition/ exp on my resume.

[Amit]

no holds barred. engage modificalizations.

he's a mechanical engineer. i'll probably go for my business systems dynamics phd though, i dont really like being an engineering automaton. i want my own company some day.

jhu has a really great mechE program; some of my best friends are mechEs here

what would you do in business systems dynamics?

[kingsoby1]

it's a pretty new field... started over the past 40 years actually. you set up dynamic simulations of businesses; advanced dynamics and matlab were fun, so i'd probably like it.

bsd folks will commonly be contract analysts for big companies; they project logistics, sales, growth through r&d, personnel changes, pretty much anything you could imagine having to do with a tangible/statistical aspect of business.

i really want to go to MIT for it, but we'll see. i didn't really try in my undergrad, so it would have to be based solely on my gmat and work exp... im sure i'll knock the gmat out of the park, but i dont think MIT would like seeing a 2.5 on my undergrad transcript.

[Already_Taken]

i'd rather be likable and get a history major from UNT

[DannyBrighteyes]

oh great the guitar shred nerds have invaded the hip hop forum

this is exactly the kind of juvenile pseudo-intellectual pretentious stuff i was talking about

UGH when will people realize it takes as much (or even more) talent, passion, creativity, and skill to make a great pop song as it does to make a song about early millenial commercial trading practices in Namibia

also most "intelligent" rap has lyrical content that is roughly equivalent to the angsty ramblings of a 13 year old on livejournal in terms of intellectuality and originality

It entirely depends on your opinion of what "intelligent" is, as I previously stated it's purely fueled by my personal preference and is therefor a term for me, to use freely, considering the fact that I don't subject it onto other peoples views.

You toss around insults, but you've nothing empirically to back this up. If anything I'd be more inclined to say your view is pretentious in itself as you're the one forcing it upon others, despite them having the ability to define their own music for them and what they think of it, you're attempting to 'correct' them out of pure arrogance.

[Amit]

i'd rather be likable and get a history major from UNT

i'd rather be likable and get a neuroscience degree from JHU

but hey whatever works

You toss around insults, but you've nothing empirically to back this up. If anything I'd be more inclined to say your view is pretentious in itself as you're the one forcing it upon others, despite them having the ability to define their own music for them and what they think of it, you're attempting to 'correct' them out of pure arrogance.

when you speak of empirical support in a discussion between varying cultural views, you should know that you're off by a country mile

[Already_Taken]

yeah except you aren't likable, and before you say it, women are attracted to men for all the wrong reasons. i just feel sorry for anyone who has to be on your team in the future

[DannyBrighteyes]

when you speak of empirical support in a discussion between varying cultural views, you should know that you're off by a country mile

I was referring to your judgment, or assessment on my intelligence and ability to define or have an opinion on a music genre.

[Amit]

yeah except you aren't likable

ohhh sick burn

i wish i was simple enough to present online exactly the same personality as i do in real life; i'm sure it would cut down on a lot of cognitive dissonance on your behalf

i envy you sometimes i really do

I was referring to your judgment, or assessment on my intelligence and ability to define or have an opinion on a music genre.

umm you can define and have as many opinions on anything as you want

that doesn't render them invulnerable to assessment by others though

what do they teach kids in school these days? do you get participation trophies along with nap time? :p

[Already_Taken]

yeah i do pride myself on my practicality

[DannyBrighteyes]

that doesn't render them invulnerable to assessment by others though

I didn't dispute that at all, I suggest reading my post again.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

yeah except you aren't likable, and before you say it, women are attracted to men for all the wrong reasons. i just feel sorry for anyone who has to be on your team in the future
i dont get why you ride amit like this

he's a nice guy who is passionate about music i bet you are too

[Already_Taken]

passionately self-righteous is more like it. he constantly insults people with no provocation, and is generally kanye-like in his delivery.

and i'm not the only one who gets tired of the act, i assure you.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

welcome to the internet where people act differently than real life, he's just trying provoke thought, if he did it any other way he'd get less feedback

not that i think he has a bad vibe at all

[Already_Taken]

if he actually figured out a way to do it other than the way he does, then i would acknowledge that he is smart.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

you just did ololol

[Amit]

he constantly insults people with no provocation

loooooooool

coming from the guy who's been hellbent on my dick since i started posting again

and is generally kanye-like in his delivery.

people talk so much **** about me at barbershops
they forget to get their haircut

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

if he was actually like kanye hed realize dilla has the best drums in hiphop!

[Amit]

sorry noonward i like my drums from the south

[Already_Taken]

you just did ololol

yeah i never didn't because i'm not a arrogant self-righteous twat and i don't have trouble seeing things for what they are, but you get my point.

[Amit]

that everything i am song has one of the most beautiful piano-based beats i've ever heard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQpT0Ew5nLE

yeah i never didn't because i'm not a arrogant self-righteous twat and i don't have trouble seeing things for what they are, but you get my point.

you just mad cuz you got styled HARD

[Already_Taken]

yeah i like that song. i like drive slow the best though

all i can think about kanye these days is him playing "good morning" at bonnaroo as the sun was coming up. ironic...

[Amit]

good morning is another awesome song

the drums are not something i'd usually like, but the synth interplay is wonderful

[DannyBrighteyes]

that everything i am song has one of the most beautiful piano-based beats i've ever heard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQpT0Ew5nLE



you just mad cuz you got styled HARD

It's quite nice, very simple, very relaxing, I honestly can't stand Kanyes voice over it though, gotta admit, sorry fellas.

[Already_Taken]

kanye makes really awesome beats. i wish he'd just focus on that.

i know what you mean danny, he should have given everything i'm not to a female singer i think.

[Amit]

kanye makes really awesome beats. i wish he'd just focus on that.

i know what you mean danny, he should have given everything i'm not to a female singer i think.

yeah kanye is entertaining as a rapper for white girl dance club stuff but it doesn't seem like you guys listen to hip hop in that sort of manner

what he should really do is just take some time off and go do some counseling or some therapy or whatever and just go back to producing

[DannyBrighteyes]

It would seriously be a favorite of mine if it did have suiting voice to back up that song.

Yeah I gotta admit I love the beats he produces, just never been a fan of his actual rapping.

[Amit]

john legend would have been a good foil to the philip mitchell vocals

but i can't think of a rapper who would have suited it

hmmm

[DannyBrighteyes]

What about this voice? I dunno I quite the sound he gives in this song, I think it might suit Everything I Am. But he would definitely write different lyrics.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95-ddgRy5dE

[Amit]

a slow pretty beat like if we can't be lovers needs a slow pretty voice

oooo

PHONTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCXNaV7CKig

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEFBAvrZO38

[We_Love_Lime]

that everything i am song has one of the most beautiful piano-based beats i've ever heard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQpT0Ew5nLE



you just mad cuz you got styled HARD

Almost related, What do you guys think of Atmosphere's "Yesterday"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFakOHRED_w

I usually don't enjoy him, but I really enjoyed this instrumental, the drums not so much, but I thought the piano loop was really cool.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

Almost related, What do you guys think of Atmosphere's "Yesterday"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFakOHRED_w

I usually don't enjoy him, but I really enjoyed this instrumental, the drums not so much, but I thought the piano loop was really cool.
meh meh meh emh

[easylee]

y everyone gotta beef with ma boi amit

[Amit]

idk

[andyneverstoppingmachine]

sorry noonward i like my drums from the south

*souf

also why do people still refer to atmosphere as "he"

[Amit]

*souf

also why do people still refer to atmosphere as "he"

probably because they're still outsiders

[andyneverstoppingmachine]

are you trolling me sir i will not tolerate these actions

[Amit]

no i'm being serious

it's just like people referring to pink floyd as him

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

i made a thread in the pit once where people where posters were supposed to refer to bands as a guy
just cuz i enjoy that comedy, i enjoy topical comedy, slapstick and also referring to bands as one person comedy

[andyneverstoppingmachine]

yeah but these are people who claim to like hip hop that do this

then again, how much people that listen exclusively to Sage Francis, Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Illogic etc actually like hip hop is debatable

[Amit]

yeah but these are people who claim to like hip hop that do this

then again, how much people that listen exclusively to Sage Francis, Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Illogic etc actually like hip hop is debatable

exactly

it cracks me up to no end

[easylee]

um u just dont get it sage and aesop are lyrical geniuses and dont talk about bitches n hoes and stupid **** like that, theyre deep unlike 50 **** and lil gayne

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

50 cent more like ill pay you 50 cents you dumb

[andyneverstoppingmachine]

I have a confession to make, though:

I like aesop rock

:(

he's bizzare sometimes and I think he's funny

[Amit]

it's cool i like that none shall pass song

what's important is that you don't just like artists like aesop rock AND feel that you're a better/smarter person because of it

because if you feel that way then you're a dumb jerkface >:[

[andyneverstoppingmachine]

haha ok

anyway, i've been digging wiz khalifa lately; I went to hs with the guy who did this track (I think he did say yeah as well):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AK2nv7kE0k

[We_Love_Lime]

*souf

also why do people still refer to atmosphere as "he"

Beats me, I can't stand people like that.

[easylee]

the atmosphere are a pretty cool band. i like him when he raps